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Aug 31, 6:53 AM
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For example, I still use Winamp and I don't think I'm going to get rid of it anytime soon. It's still such a nice and simple way to listen to music. |
Aug 31, 6:55 AM
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i guess vlc player, 7zip, transmission bittorrent and even libreoffice and handbrake |
Aug 31, 7:00 AM
#3
Since I no longer use Windows, and haven't for a decade now, this is definitely something I'm pulling from memory. However, I did continue to use these for a few years after I ditched Windows, using them through WINE. If I remember right, I used to use a specific emulator for the Turbografix-16 called Ootake. I know it wasn't a remotely up-to-date version, and was instead just a version I had on a flash drive for god knows how long. Shockingly, its last newest version came out in 2022, which I didn't expect. I thought for sure it was long dead. I also used VirtuaNES as my NES emulator of choice, which is way more dead in comparison, having last been updated in late 2007. Obviously now I'd just use something like mednafen for TG-16 emulation, and fceux for NES emulation, as the idea of using something that's been without updates for multiple years just doesn't sit right with me anymore. |
Daviljoe193Aug 31, 7:16 AM
Aug 31, 7:08 AM
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Aug 31, 7:09 AM
#5
Daviljoe193 said: I also used VirtuaNES as my NES emulator of choice I also have some very old Amiga 500, C64, and NES emulators on my external hard drive. |
Aug 31, 7:10 AM
#6
Reply to Zarutaku
idk what's outdated, I regularly use VLC player, JDownloader, MSI Afterburner, Snipping Tool, Paint and Notepad++
deg said:
vlc player
VLC is outdated? Damn... guess I'm old already :Pvlc player
@Zarutaku i focus on old word he put up lol but ye vlc is not outdated although mpv is whats recommended this days and ye i also use jdownloader |
Aug 31, 7:50 AM
#7
Reply to deg
i guess vlc player, 7zip, transmission bittorrent and even libreoffice and handbrake
@deg big respect for libreoffice, libreoffice draw is my most beloved app |
Aug 31, 8:53 AM
#8
And why would anyone want the latest version of Windows installed on their computer? Unless they want increased NSA survelliance on their computer activities. I'm still using Windows 8.1...on a laptop that isn't even connected to the Internet. I don't trust connecting Windows to the Internet, unless you wanna get hacked/infected by malware. I surf the Internet on a second laptop that runs on Linux. No offense, but if you are surfing the Internet with Windows, you probably already have a whole bunch of malware infecting your Windows PC. You just aren't aware that your PC's security has already been compromised by hackers. |
Aug 31, 9:10 AM
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Aug 31, 9:38 AM
#10
I also use Winamp (though rarely these days because I currently listen music on Spotify/YT instead of local files), it also has lots of cool skins. Otherwise, I think Windows Calculator is the oldest Windows application I'm using |
Aug 31, 11:31 AM
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I work in IT so regedit, lusrmgr.msc, tpm.msc, device manager, event viewer (and its often forgotten cousin the reliabiluty monitor) and the run window are used regularly. Microsoft has said that they'll deprecate regedit but I don't know how they're gonna do that when they haven't provided a good replacement. I use qBittorrent, 7zip and mpv even though they aren't really "outdated" since they are still actively supported but their UI certainly looks outdated (which I like a lot, that's the kind of UI I'm used to). I also use Munt which is a Roland MT-32 emulator that I use with DOSBox, another outdated application although I've recently moved to DOSBox's actively developed forks but the fact that I stayed with it for so long proves that it was a decent piece of software despite not being updated for a decade. Also I used ePSXe before Duckstation came out. Slightly of topic but if we're talking about stuff that looks "outdated", I use brasero, mkvtoolnix and a lot of command line applications (nano, gcc, gzip) on my linux computer. |
MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
Aug 31, 11:49 AM
#12
Paint.NET, it's just like the most outdated painting software ever, but it was the first one I used, so I'm just so used to using it for drawing and editing images and stuff. There's probably a lot better free painting softwares out there but I'll just stick with Paint.NET. |
Aug 31, 11:57 AM
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Theo1899 said: I prefer if changes are made through some group policy settings based on the OU of the AD object rather than opening up Regedit on each machine manually. Otherwise, good uninstallers should be able to clean up the registry remains without having to manually go thereI work in IT so regedit, lusrmgr.msc, tpm.msc, device manager, event viewer (and its often forgotten cousin the reliabiluty monitor) and the run window are used regularly. Microsoft has said that they'll deprecate regedit but I don't know how they're gonna do that when they haven't provided a good replacement. You can also add the Microsoft Management Console and the Command Prompt to your list. Why do you have to change and/or look at the TPM settings? Why are there local users instead of just domain ones? |
Aug 31, 12:00 PM
#14
WordPad. Not sure if it's outdated or not, but it's quite old and all these years that I've been using it, it looks exactly the same. Other than that, most of the programs/apps I'm using (e.g. qBittorrent, MPC-HC, Sumatra PDF to name a few), are old, but still receive updates. |
PokitaruSep 1, 3:35 AM
Aug 31, 12:17 PM
#15
Reply to Noboru
Theo1899 said:
I work in IT so regedit, lusrmgr.msc, tpm.msc, device manager, event viewer (and its often forgotten cousin the reliabiluty monitor) and the run window are used regularly. Microsoft has said that they'll deprecate regedit but I don't know how they're gonna do that when they haven't provided a good replacement.
I prefer if changes are made through some group policy settings based on the OU of the AD object rather than opening up Regedit on each machine manually. Otherwise, good uninstallers should be able to clean up the registry remains without having to manually go thereI work in IT so regedit, lusrmgr.msc, tpm.msc, device manager, event viewer (and its often forgotten cousin the reliabiluty monitor) and the run window are used regularly. Microsoft has said that they'll deprecate regedit but I don't know how they're gonna do that when they haven't provided a good replacement.
You can also add the Microsoft Management Console and the Command Prompt to your list. Why do you have to change and/or look at the TPM settings? Why are there local users instead of just domain ones?
@Noboru We used to be two companies with very different infrastructures that were merged and regedit was used for some very specific tasks during the merge that couldn't be done otherwise. Nowadays it's mostly used when someone asks for the old context menu back so it's still very very specific and something done on the individual level. As for the group policies, they weren't implemented initially because the management 10 years ago thought that 1. The company was pretty small 2. We have some individual employees sent to remote locations on different countries so they thought it somehow wasn't worth it Wrong choice imo as it's not scalable and wastes a lot of our time so thankfully the current management has realized that and we're in the middle of implementing that (and also SAML for all the different stuff we use because we didn't even have that) |
MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
Aug 31, 2:06 PM
#16
ImgBurn and nLite for me whenever I refurbish older computer systems or need to pull out the dvd burner for anything. I also use rufus if all else fails when making bootable media. Cheat Engine for console game emulation. |
Aug 31, 2:49 PM
#17
Reply to Theo1899
@Noboru We used to be two companies with very different infrastructures that were merged and regedit was used for some very specific tasks during the merge that couldn't be done otherwise. Nowadays it's mostly used when someone asks for the old context menu back so it's still very very specific and something done on the individual level.
As for the group policies, they weren't implemented initially because the management 10 years ago thought that
1. The company was pretty small
2. We have some individual employees sent to remote locations on different countries so they thought it somehow wasn't worth it
Wrong choice imo as it's not scalable and wastes a lot of our time so thankfully the current management has realized that and we're in the middle of implementing that (and also SAML for all the different stuff we use because we didn't even have that)
As for the group policies, they weren't implemented initially because the management 10 years ago thought that
1. The company was pretty small
2. We have some individual employees sent to remote locations on different countries so they thought it somehow wasn't worth it
Wrong choice imo as it's not scalable and wastes a lot of our time so thankfully the current management has realized that and we're in the middle of implementing that (and also SAML for all the different stuff we use because we didn't even have that)
@Theo1899 Oh I see, but it would make sense to unify the IT-infrastructure and overhaul it, then You can have multiple OUs for different things and only add the computer objects where the user wants that update SSO makes stuff easier |
Aug 31, 3:54 PM
#18
Hmmmm I guess these: Winrar, 7zip, Paint, Microsoft stuff [Powerpoint, Word etc. - tho the new versions but still I know these programs for a long time], Windows Media Player, Openoffice, Notebook files [or idk how it is called in English] |
Sep 1, 4:47 AM
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Serafos said: I still use Winamp deg said: vlc player, 7zip I still use these, but why do you say they are outdated? Ive no idea what current alternative apps are there? I'm old, I don't know what's outdated or what's up-to-date.. |
Sep 1, 4:50 AM
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@RainyEvenings they are not outdated but old i just focus on the old apps part of the question mpv is more recommended this days than vlc player though |
Sep 1, 8:12 AM
#21
My computer has been in a bad condition for years now so i haven't used the Windows computer much. I have used Audacity before but not a lot. I was using the LastFM scrobbler but I am debating if I should just ditch LastFM for some local way to see my music playing stats. I was using a now discontinued media player called Wondershare player because at the time it was sometimes able to better play videos that VLC was crashing on due to bad encoding or missing data and it had a borderless hovering player mode i liked, i wouldnt recommend it today though there is probably other options than this proprietary software that liked to hijack file types in my settings without asking me. I have some really niche programs I cant even remember the name of one for making isochronic tones and another that showed me a live spectrogram I used when i was attempting overtone singing. Noboru said: I also use Winamp (though rarely these days because I currently listen music on Spotify/YT instead of local files), it also has lots of cool skins. Then you should switch to AIMP it is a more modern successor in spirit and supports skins and you can stream Spotify to it. There also is a plugin for it to use YouTube https://www.aimp.ru/?do=catalog&rec_id=732 RainyEvenings said: Ive no idea what current alternative apps are there? Alternative to VLC if you are only using it to play videos not the other features it has then MPC-HC or MPV Alternative to Winamp is AIMP for aesthetics and Strawberry music player for music quality and open source |
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Sep 1, 9:31 AM
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I still have a dedicated Windows 7 drive for retro and non-steam games. I've had this Windows 7 install since 2015 and recently cloned it. |
Sep 1, 9:40 AM
#23
DesuMaiden said: And why would anyone want the latest version of Windows installed on their computer? Unless they want increased NSA survelliance on their computer activities. I'm still using Windows 8.1...on a laptop that isn't even connected to the Internet. I don't trust connecting Windows to the Internet, unless you wanna get hacked/infected by malware. I surf the Internet on a second laptop that runs on Linux. No offense, but if you are surfing the Internet with Windows, you probably already have a whole bunch of malware infecting your Windows PC. You just aren't aware that your PC's security has already been compromised by hackers. Ive told you before, Linux can get malware and can be hacked. Chances are you dont even have an antivirus or if you do it is ClamAV which was never that good to begin with, you might not even be using a firewall and probably not a system permission management rules running do you? There is all sorts of steps you have to take to harden Linux as far as I am aware, a real pain. Lost_Viking said: I still have a dedicated Windows 7 drive for retro and non-steam games. I've had this Windows 7 install since 2015 and recently cloned it. Unfortunately my Win7 key is an OEM one so it is linked to specific hardware. You should disable ipv6 on it to get around the security hole it has if network connected since Microsoft probably didnt patch that security hole in win7 |
traedSep 1, 9:53 AM
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Sep 1, 10:44 AM
#24
traed said: If AIM can be connected with Spotify and YT, it would make things much easier. But does it also block ads? Because that's the whole point I'm using those two services in a browser only: with an adblocker which can block those ads. Also, does it support Winamp skins as well? Then you should switch to AIMP it is a more modern successor in spirit and supports skins and you can stream Spotify to it. There also is a plugin for it to use YouTube https://www.aimp.ru/?do=catalog&rec_id=732 |
Sep 1, 11:27 AM
#25
Noboru said: If AIM can be connected with Spotify and YT, it would make things much easier. But does it also block ads? Because that's the whole point I'm using those two services in a browser only: with an adblocker which can block those ads. Also, does it support Winamp skins as well? Im not sure if there is or is not a way to do that since I haven't used it before just read about it. There is ways to block ads system wide like using a firewall (Im a little hazy on how to set that up for this purpose) or use a DNS like AdGaurd or NextDNS (if you set up a custom block list) then clear your DNS cache after setting it up. I had trouble figuring out how to use NextDNS myself though, AdGaurd is easier to set up but i heard it doesnt block YouTube ads well but maybe those people didnt flush their DNS cache, or has to do with how their ads work. I think skins are standard where it is cross compatible like they used to be but im not sure. If it isnt many are likely converted already |
traedSep 1, 11:55 AM
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Sep 2, 4:57 AM
#26
Reply to traed
Noboru said:
If AIM can be connected with Spotify and YT, it would make things much easier. But does it also block ads? Because that's the whole point I'm using those two services in a browser only: with an adblocker which can block those ads. Also, does it support Winamp skins as well?
If AIM can be connected with Spotify and YT, it would make things much easier. But does it also block ads? Because that's the whole point I'm using those two services in a browser only: with an adblocker which can block those ads. Also, does it support Winamp skins as well?
Im not sure if there is or is not a way to do that since I haven't used it before just read about it. There is ways to block ads system wide like using a firewall (Im a little hazy on how to set that up for this purpose) or use a DNS like AdGaurd or NextDNS (if you set up a custom block list) then clear your DNS cache after setting it up. I had trouble figuring out how to use NextDNS myself though, AdGaurd is easier to set up but i heard it doesnt block YouTube ads well but maybe those people didnt flush their DNS cache, or has to do with how their ads work.
I think skins are standard where it is cross compatible like they used to be but im not sure. If it isnt many are likely converted already
@traed In that case, I'd rather use a Raspberry Pie or a Homeserver to block ads globally in my home network. But the whole thing seems like too much trouble to set up, so I'll just continue to use things separately |
Sep 2, 5:35 AM
#27
Reply to Noboru
@traed In that case, I'd rather use a Raspberry Pie or a Homeserver to block ads globally in my home network. But the whole thing seems like too much trouble to set up, so I'll just continue to use things separately
@Noboru Raspberry Pis are overpriced now, some similar brands of SBCs are cheaper. |
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Sep 2, 5:41 AM
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Sep 2, 9:36 PM
#29
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