| Is it? A lot of people seem to think it's weird. I mean first cousin I get, but second cousin is so distant they may as well not be related. |
| I see it in very simple terms; once a cousin, always a cousin. If you're anywhere on the family tree, it ain't happening. There's no deeper reason for me, I just don't wanna. |
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| I do not mind such couples existing. To find someone who cares about you is a good thing. Genetically looks like they are practically unrelated. |
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| Literally the only way you even know you have a second cousin in the first place is if you live in a place like Afghanistan where 3 generations of people live in the same house. In the West you barely see your siblings OR parents. |
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| Nah, I've never really seen it as weird or anything like that. I honestly just see it like any other normal relationship. |
| In many places, even first cousins are allowed to marry. |
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| The chance for second cousins having a disabled child is around 3%. It's low but still too risky to take the chance. Maybe third cousins would be alright. |
| Biology would like to have a word with you... |
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| No, it's not even wrong to marry a sibling if the romance is consensual. It may not be completely right because of increased risks, but it's not wrong. |
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Literally the only way you even know you have a second cousin in the first place is if you live in a place like Afghanistan where 3 generations of people live in the same house.
In the West you barely see your siblings OR parents.
In the West you barely see your siblings OR parents.
| @vasipi4946 As a european...wtf are you talking about?😭 |
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| That's the accepted norm in most of the world. Even a random stranger is anywhere from something like 16th to your 6th cousin. |
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| I don't know, why don't you ask this at your next family reunion? Yes, it's weird. You know it's weird. |
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| Second cousin is not even inseki, it's just 2 people fucking. Edit:here is a more serious reply. let's see what is society justification of prohibition of incest and see if second cousin relationship stand in it. 1.Inbreeding. let's choose to ignore that inbreeding doesn't even make sense as a justfication, and go with the mindset that risk of genetic deficiencies=evil. When it comes to procreation with a second cousin there isn't any probable risk of genetic deficiencies 2.Family dynamics The possibility that family dynamics will cause power dynamics, thus taking a consesual & equel relationship off the table. This is usually being attributed to relationship with people who served as a parental figure or considerably older family member. In this case it just depend on your relationship with your second cousin. Most people don't have any meaningful family dynamic with their second cousin, personally i don't even know the names of my second cousins. So yea, this your answer. |
CielordJun 26, 2024 2:50 AM
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Biology would like to have a word with you...
| @SimplyBrazen https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/articles/2015/risk-second-cousins-having-child-disability/ |
| Imagine family gatherings could be awkward for some, I guess. |
Cielord said: @SimplyBrazen https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/articles/2015/risk-second-cousins-having-child-disability/ 3% too high in my book. And the chances go higher if the incest keeps being practiced generation after generation in the same family. So at one point that tree gonna start reshaping... |
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Cielord said:
@SimplyBrazen https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/articles/2015/risk-second-cousins-having-child-disability/
@SimplyBrazen https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/articles/2015/risk-second-cousins-having-child-disability/
3% too high in my book. And the chances go higher if the incest keeps being practiced generation after generation in the same family. So at one point that tree gonna start reshaping...
| @SimplyBrazen Hardly unlikely that the incest will keep being practiced, due to the westernmarck effect. |
I mean first cousin I get, but second cousin is so distant they may as well not be related. Just hear me out, but what about... a threesome tho? |
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Stomiks said: The chance for second cousins having a disabled child is around 3%. It's low but still too risky to take the chance. What about 3% is "too risky" if unrelated people already have at least a 2% chance on average? Just 1% more is almost negligible. |
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Stomiks said:
The chance for second cousins having a disabled child is around 3%. It's low but still too risky to take the chance.
The chance for second cousins having a disabled child is around 3%. It's low but still too risky to take the chance.
What about 3% is "too risky" if unrelated people already have at least a 2% chance on average? Just 1% more is almost negligible.
| @Zarutaku I see. If that's the case, then I guess 5% would personally be my upper limit? Considering that percentage alone would equate to 400 million people possessing a genetic disorder with different varieties if I'm not mistaken. |
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@Zarutaku I see. If that's the case, then I guess 5% would personally be my upper limit? Considering that percentage alone would equate to 400 million people possessing a genetic disorder with different varieties if I'm not mistaken.
Stomiks said: Considering that percentage alone would equate to 400 million people possessing a genetic disorder with different varieties if I'm not mistaken. Not really, that could only ever become the case if every couple would be such an incest couple with 5% risk, which is a highly unlikely scenario, even without an incest taboo. There also is more to consider, not every such disorder is actually severe, there are many mild ones that barely affect an individuals life, so the chance for severe cases would be much lower than 5% and modern medical examination makes it possible to detect some common disorders in early pregnancy and if it's a severe one, then abortion is (or should be) an option, because it further decreases the overall rate of bearing a severely disordered child. For example most unborn childs diagnosed with down syndrome are aborted nowadays, assuming that prenatal testing is available and abortion is allowed. |
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Zarutaku said:
Not really, that could only ever become the case if every couple would be such an incest couple with 5% risk, which is a highly unlikely scenario, even without an incest taboo. There also is more to consider, not every such disorder is actually severe, there are many mild ones that barely affect an individuals life, so the chance for severe cases would be much lower than 5% and modern medical examination makes it possible to detect some common disorders in early pregnancy and if it's a severe one, then abortion is (or should be) an option, because it further decreases the overall rate of bearing a severely disordered child. For example most unborn childs diagnosed with down syndrome are aborted nowadays, assuming that prenatal testing is available and abortion is allowed.
Stomiks said:
Considering that percentage alone would equate to 400 million people possessing a genetic disorder with different varieties if I'm not mistaken.
Considering that percentage alone would equate to 400 million people possessing a genetic disorder with different varieties if I'm not mistaken.
Not really, that could only ever become the case if every couple would be such an incest couple with 5% risk, which is a highly unlikely scenario, even without an incest taboo. There also is more to consider, not every such disorder is actually severe, there are many mild ones that barely affect an individuals life, so the chance for severe cases would be much lower than 5% and modern medical examination makes it possible to detect some common disorders in early pregnancy and if it's a severe one, then abortion is (or should be) an option, because it further decreases the overall rate of bearing a severely disordered child. For example most unborn childs diagnosed with down syndrome are aborted nowadays, assuming that prenatal testing is available and abortion is allowed.
Just look up the birth defect and cousin marriage statistics of Pakistan. I have no clue where you are getting the 5% avg, but there you have it. Even with a "low" percent, when we're taking about numbers in hundreds of millions that's a massive number. For example, 5% of a 100 million sample size, is 500,000 5 million birth defects. Imagine the stress that would put on the social welfare expenses and policies of a country to take care of 500,000 5 mil people with birth defects in a pop of 100 million.
tsukareru said: Read the post I replied to, 5% is stomiks "upper limit" of being an acceptable risk, considering that 2-3% is the average of unrelated couples.I have no clue where you are getting the 5% avg 5% is also the risk of first-cousins offspring, according to this article anyway: https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/articles/2015/risk-second-cousins-having-child-disability/ I tried to find the risk for full-sibling offspring, but it's hard to find credible data about this topic, I just remember a value from some years ago which was 9-10% or so, which is significant, but still manageable considering that only a fraction would be severe cases and assuming that prenatal testing with abortion is available. First generation inbreeding seems to be fairly safe overall, problems usually start if it becomes multi-generational without interruption, but even then it's still possible to have a low risk, if the family has "good genes" aka no heritable diseases. tsukareru said: This is based on the same unrealistic assumption that stomiks made above, because it could only become the case if every couple of the entire population would be an such an incest couple with 5% risk, which is a near impossible scenario, even without any incest taboo.For example, 5% of a 100 million sample size, is 500,000 5 million birth defects. |
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No, as it doesn't infringe or impose on anyone. Moreover, inbreeding is the only way to purify the genome of the deleterious mutation load that is inexorably accumulated in an outbreeding population. Many neglect to mention it, but consanguinity is the driving force behind speciation, conferring recessive advantages in an adaptive population once it diverges from the colonising stock.
| @Archean-Return Sounds reasonable, but doesn't the family need to have a near flawless genome for that? Otherwise the inbreed might be doomed. |
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Zarutaku said: That's why I brought up the mutation load. Initial generations of a inbreeding population will express this mutational load that has been accumulated in the outbreeding population through deleterious recessive mutations, but will be reduced in the surviving offspring, eventually resulting in a population that expresses advantageous recessive phenotypes and increased fertility after enough generations. But because human populations are panmictic (i.e. favouring a random breeding strategy), you rarely see this happen outside of more remote groups.Sounds reasonable, but doesn't the family need to have a near flawless genome for that? Otherwise the inbreed might be doomed. |
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| meh, youve probably bred out all the incest genes by that point |
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No, as it doesn't infringe or impose on anyone. Moreover, inbreeding is the only way to purify the genome of the deleterious mutation load that is inexorably accumulated in an outbreeding population. Many neglect to mention it, but consanguinity is the driving force behind speciation, conferring recessive advantages in an adaptive population once it diverges from the colonising stock.
| @Archean-Return Where did you get that from? Ive only currently heard third cousins having children is known to have a genetic beneficial effect. https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/08/03/marrying-your-cousin-there-may-be-evolutionary-benefits/ |
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traed said: There was a study in Iceland where consanguinous couples who were third and fourth cousins had more fertility than those who were both more closely and more distantly related, so there is some awareness there. The link you posted is therefore likely referencing an "optimal" genetic equilibrium that has been postulated here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3275546/Where did you get that from? Ive only currently heard third cousins having children is known to have a genetic beneficial effect. https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/08/03/marrying-your-cousin-there-may-be-evolutionary-benefits/ It's much akin to how two separate inbred strains of livestock can be crossed to benefit from hybrid vigour, while benefitting from the reduced recombination load and genome cleansed of deleterious mutations that comes from their inherent stock. |
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traed said:
Where did you get that from? Ive only currently heard third cousins having children is known to have a genetic beneficial effect.
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/08/03/marrying-your-cousin-there-may-be-evolutionary-benefits/
There was a study in Iceland where consanguinous couples who were third and fourth cousins had more fertility than those who were both more closely and more distantly related, so there is some awareness there. The link you posted is therefore likely referencing an "optimal" genetic equilibrium that has been postulated here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3275546/Where did you get that from? Ive only currently heard third cousins having children is known to have a genetic beneficial effect.
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/08/03/marrying-your-cousin-there-may-be-evolutionary-benefits/
It's much akin to how two separate inbred strains of livestock can be crossed to benefit from hybrid vigour, while benefitting from the reduced recombination load and genome cleansed of deleterious mutations that comes from their inherent stock.
| @Archean-Return It is annoying how difficult it is to find anything on the internet anymore. I once came across a study talking about Scandinavian (maybe was Swedish specifically) people having reproducing with relatives gave them strong genes but i cant find it again to see what degree of relation they were talking about. |
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| I wouldn't even know if i marry my second cousin. I can't remember even some of my own cousin's faces (i have waaay too many cousins. Some of them even have grandchildren and I'm just 19), let alone second cousins. As for wrong or right, if you are close then it's weird i guess. But i doubt most people are that close with their second cousins. But then again, i live in a country where people do marry their cousins (yeah i find it weird) so maybe my opinion doesn't hold that much value. |
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Zarutaku said:
Sounds reasonable, but doesn't the family need to have a near flawless genome for that? Otherwise the inbreed might be doomed.
That's why I brought up the mutation load. Initial generations of a inbreeding population will express this mutational load that has been accumulated in the outbreeding population through deleterious recessive mutations, but will be reduced in the surviving offspring, eventually resulting in a population that expresses advantageous recessive phenotypes and increased fertility after enough generations. But because human populations are panmictic (i.e. favouring a random breeding strategy), you rarely see this happen outside of more remote groups.Sounds reasonable, but doesn't the family need to have a near flawless genome for that? Otherwise the inbreed might be doomed.
| @Archean-Return I see, so the initial generations of inbreeding will have an increasing fraction of corrupted offspring but also another fraction of improved offspring and the latter will become more prevalent again after enough generations and they will be superior to outbreeding population? Not sure if I understood correctly, but it kind of makes sense. |
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| An older woman has a higher rate of giving birth to a child with birth defects than second cousins do, yet we don't really stigmatise older women for having kids, so the whole genetic/health issue thing is a little overblown I think. Even for first cousins it isn't really an issue unless the following generations keep marrying their first cousins too. |
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An older woman has a higher rate of giving birth to a child with birth defects than second cousins do, yet we don't really stigmatise older women for having kids, so the whole genetic/health issue thing is a little overblown I think.
Even for first cousins it isn't really an issue unless the following generations keep marrying their first cousins too.
Even for first cousins it isn't really an issue unless the following generations keep marrying their first cousins too.
| @Saku_k Older women and older men. Likely more so older women but im not sure. I almost forgot about that. |
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I wouldn't even know if i marry my second cousin. I can't remember even some of my own cousin's faces (i have waaay too many cousins. Some of them even have grandchildren and I'm just 19), let alone second cousins.
As for wrong or right, if you are close then it's weird i guess. But i doubt most people are that close with their second cousins.
But then again, i live in a country where people do marry their cousins (yeah i find it weird) so maybe my opinion doesn't hold that much value.
As for wrong or right, if you are close then it's weird i guess. But i doubt most people are that close with their second cousins.
But then again, i live in a country where people do marry their cousins (yeah i find it weird) so maybe my opinion doesn't hold that much value.
mshfqtny said: But then again, i live in a country where people do marry their cousins (yeah i find it weird) so maybe my opinion doesn't hold that much value. Most cousins in this world don't marry even when they're allowed to. Pearl clutchers need to realize Japan isn't some hotbed of incest, and that their own country likely allows it too. |
LucifrostJun 27, 2024 7:01 AM
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@traed
How old is older? Those factoids are potentially important.
How old is older? Those factoids are potentially important.
Lucifrost said: How old is older? Around age 40 the egg quality is already halved according to https://www.shecares.com/pregnancy/fertility/fertility-and-age  |
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| Hey, I don’t think it is a problem… *put sunglasses* as long as it stays in the family |
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| Is it morally wrong? According to whom? I would like to know. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
| A long time ago, the Toba supervolcano eruption caused a genetic bottleneck in human evolution, so we are more or less related to each other. Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb Mount Toba or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love My Cousin |
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| Damn I didn't know there was that many Roll Tide fans on here lmao Jokes aside I think it's weird but if that's your thing than you do you fam. |
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Wrong to marry/have kids Having children is wrong in general. This world is full of suffering and pain and existence has no meaning. The best way out of this is antinatalism; there is no need to throw new people into this meatgrinder. But marrying sister is ok, i dont see anything wrong because... it doesnt bother anyone. Love has no boundaries. |
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A long time ago, the Toba supervolcano eruption caused a genetic bottleneck in human evolution, so we are more or less related to each other.
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
Mount Toba or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love My Cousin
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
Mount Toba or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love My Cousin
Serafos said: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love My Cousin This is the first time I saw you saying something slightly controversial, keep it up. |
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| Suprised this thread still up, MAL mods either got lazy or based. |
| @LoveYourSmile Because it goes against MAL rules. It's a topic about incest, one of the controversial/sensitive topics. Not to mention that there was already discussion of incest & inbreeding in general. |
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