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Oct 2, 2023 12:53 PM
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Sousou no frieren: It's amazing I haven't seen a good anime in a long time, but if it's an impressive animation with a world-building like that, it sounds intriguing. However, what makes the series so good, in my opinion, is the main character, Frieren. She's a very different main character compared to the others. In my view, this anime is undoubtedly outstanding, and the manga is also fascinating and excellent, much like the series...
Well I just had a hunch, this opening ACT is very similar to Oshi no Ko's cause that too got a long 1st ep, very intriguing OST, romantic yet excellent story start, and I am very much into the story right now...
Both even got above 9 ratings on MAL after the 1st 90 min ep...
So, did this anime make good use of the 1st ep?
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Oct 2, 2023 12:57 PM
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Yes, OST is outstanding. Very fantasy epically sounding...I feel like I'm playing Elder Scrolls Oblivion while watching at times.
Oct 2, 2023 1:00 PM
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average anime.. 5/10..
Oct 2, 2023 1:02 PM
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I think its good but slightly overhyped
Oct 2, 2023 1:37 PM
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Yes it does have the Oshi No Ko effect, both had long first episodes, were overhyped and overrated.
Oct 2, 2023 1:41 PM
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Rakugo did it all first, and did it all better. Long first episode, better OST, more romantic yet more excellent story start, and I was very much more into the story. Rakugo wipes yet again!
Oct 2, 2023 1:41 PM
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Idk how it can be overhyped when I've barely seen anyone talk about it, except Gigguk, maybe.

Anyway, it's great. Interesting concept and great execution so far!
Oct 2, 2023 1:47 PM
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NotDigit said:
Idk how it can be overhyped when I've barely seen anyone talk about it, except Gigguk, maybe.

Anyway, it's great. Interesting concept and great execution so far!

People throw around overhyped these days without knowing the definition.. 🤣 I agree though I thought it was a interesting start and I’m intrigued going forward.
Oct 2, 2023 1:49 PM
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S10_Hinatakun said:
Sousou no frieren: It's amazing I haven't seen a good anime in a long time, but if it's an impressive animation with a world-building like that, it sounds intriguing. However, what makes the series so good, in my opinion, is the main character, Frieren. She's a very different main character compared to the others. In my view, this anime is undoubtedly outstanding, and the manga is also fascinating and excellent, much like the series...
Well I just had a hunch, this opening ACT is very similar to Oshi no Ko's cause that too got a long 1st ep, very intriguing OST, romantic yet excellent story start, and I am very much into the story right now...
Both even got above 9 ratings on MAL after the 1st 90 min ep...
So, did this anime make good use of the 1st ep?

Naah this concept has been used for long now like in Re zero too.
It's just that new People are seeing this trend now in recent anime.
Oct 2, 2023 1:50 PM
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Yes it does have the Oshi No Ko effect, both had long first episodes, were overhyped and overrated.
@RobynGatomon

I can't speak for this as I only saw this first episode and watched a few videos talking about the manga, but the Oshi No Ko anime imho was indeed slightly overrated as it spent too much time and stopped on possibly the most boring idol-related arc, yet it wasn't overhyped. The manga is genuinely very good, though not perfect, provided you can get past the idol stuff that's just a pretext for a social critique of the entertainment industry and social media, and the anime cut quite a lots of stuff from the early chapters.
Oct 2, 2023 1:51 PM
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They have to set up the build up story, pacing is low .
It was a good decision .
This season's first episode of ‘ Ragna crimson ’ was also around 40 min long
It can be said that Oshi no ko introduced a new concept
Oct 2, 2023 1:56 PM
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Lost_MattiX said:
@RobynGatomon

I can't speak for this as I only saw this first episode and watched a few videos talking about the manga, but the Oshi No Ko anime imho was indeed slightly overrated as it spent too much time and stopped on possibly the most boring idol-related arc, yet it wasn't overhyped. The manga is genuinely very good, though not perfect, provided you can get past the idol stuff that's just a pretext for a social critique of the entertainment industry and social media, and the anime cut quite a lots of stuff from the early chapters.

imagine for a moment that Death Note started its anime by setting up the premise of the death note, of shinigamis, of the battle between Light and L for three/four episodes (or one long first episode), and then it goes actually
forget that, here's a plot line about actors with a bunch of insignificant characters you don't care about. That's what Oshi No Ko did. There's really no excuse for it, and the way people hyped that show from start to finish was inexplicable.
Oct 2, 2023 1:56 PM

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I have to admit that I haven't watched any Oshi no Ko after the first episode because I was afraid that the rest of the show won't ever be able to top episode 1 🤣. I'll watch it someday.
Oct 2, 2023 2:13 PM

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Studios do this when they have high expectation, so by using the best staff they can and spending more money and also picking source material they think is gonna do well, it's not as surprising to have strong starts.

At the minimum if you're doing 12 episodes, but first episode is 4 times what it should normally cost, you're spending 25% more for the entire season compared to if you didn't do this.

This might actually be a little under hyped at the moment, since it's at 137k members currently.
Oct 2, 2023 2:19 PM

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Studios do this when they have high expectation, so by using the best staff they can and spending more money and also picking source material they think is gonna do well, it's not as surprising to have strong starts.

At the minimum if you're doing 12 episodes, but first episode is 4 times what it should normally cost, you're spending 25% more for the entire season compared to if you didn't do this.

This might actually be a little under hyped at the moment, since it's at 137k members currently.
@watsym Studios don't pick the material they adapt. 90% of the time, studios are just comissioned by the companies that actually fund the anime and that give them the series.
Oct 2, 2023 2:29 PM
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NotDigit said:
I have to admit that I haven't watched any Oshi no Ko after the first episode because I was afraid that the rest of the show won't ever be able to top episode 1 🤣. I'll watch it someday.

No your absolutely right the rest of the show did not top ep 1 but season 2 will be on par
Oct 2, 2023 2:30 PM

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@watsym Studios don't pick the material they adapt. 90% of the time, studios are just comissioned by the companies that actually fund the anime and that give them the series.
@Oongbuh Yeah, just replace studio with "the companies funding the anime project" and it will make sense again. The point was about costing more money anyway, hence having to care more what happens with that money
Oct 2, 2023 3:42 PM

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Just a heads up: Oshi no Ko manga and Frieren manga started serializing in the same week…

Take that however you like
Oct 2, 2023 4:05 PM
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Yes it does have the Oshi No Ko effect, both had long first episodes, were overhyped and overrated.
@RobynGatomon Oshi No Ko's Ep 1 was infact a movie that was released in theatre from the series begin.

Moreover the opening soundtrack is from same singer as Oshi No Ko.

But unlike Oshi No Ko, this is gonna be a pretty long show with 2 consecutives cours (like Sacrificial Princess).

Moreover last season as well there was atleast one show with a ~50min first episode & that just didn't do well.
Oct 2, 2023 4:06 PM
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Just a heads up: Oshi no Ko manga and Frieren manga started serializing in the same week…

Take that however you like
@Tendo_GM Both shows have their opening songs performed by same singer.

Just saying.
Oct 2, 2023 4:07 PM

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Yeah it feels like it has the same effect.
Only Oshi no Kos story is very basic and edgy, while this one actually has a lot of meaning behind it and seems to be made for a slightly older demographic.
Oct 2, 2023 4:10 PM
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I have to admit that I haven't watched any Oshi no Ko after the first episode because I was afraid that the rest of the show won't ever be able to top episode 1 🤣. I'll watch it someday.

No your absolutely right the rest of the show did not top ep 1 but season 2 will be on par
@DoctorBryce Well the first episode was directed as a movie. From Ep 2, the story gained some depth, a firm trunk of the tree & whatever reference one prefer to use.

But hey there were 2 episodes that came pretty darn to Episode 1 (when watched simultaneously like a big episode). The cyberbulling & its aftermath.
Oct 2, 2023 4:12 PM
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Both peak tbh. Guess that’s how it goes. Drop a super long first ep and it’s a fantastic show lmao
Oct 2, 2023 4:13 PM
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I have to admit that I haven't watched any Oshi no Ko after the first episode because I was afraid that the rest of the show won't ever be able to top episode 1 🤣. I'll watch it someday.
@NotDigit I would recommend it just before Season 2.

Apart from certain scenes that are truly imprinted in my memory, rest of the show, though a must for a better storyline, were pretty forgetful much like 60-70% of the Episode 1.
Oct 2, 2023 4:20 PM
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I think it absolutely deserves all of the hype and had a stellar premiere. The long time, in my opinion, was the far better route to introduce Sousou no Frieren considering the kind of storytelling and prologue it had going.




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Oct 2, 2023 4:25 PM

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Shidoteki said:
Yeah it feels like it has the same effect.
Only Oshi no Kos story is very basic and edgy, while this one actually has a lot of meaning behind it and seems to be made for a slightly older demographic.

Funny you should say that, because it's actually Oshi no Ko that's published as seinen while Frieren's as shounen.

Just a fun fact to mention. I appreciate both series.
Oct 2, 2023 4:27 PM

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Menternor said:
Shidoteki said:
Yeah it feels like it has the same effect.
Only Oshi no Kos story is very basic and edgy, while this one actually has a lot of meaning behind it and seems to be made for a slightly older demographic.

Funny you should say that, because it's actually Oshi no Ko that's published as seinen while Frieren's as shounen.

Just a fun fact to mention. I appreciate both series.

That is pretty ironic actually yeah.
Still definitely feel freiren is much more mature.

Oshi no ko feels like a seinen as much as one punch man does hahaha
Oct 2, 2023 5:08 PM

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Two things.

1) I dont see the comparison with Oshi no Ko making any sense besides the OP. Is this bait or something?

2) Since you dub this the "Oshi no Ko Effect," then that means you enjoyed OnK no? How is that a "long time since you watched a good anime?"

This is a bait thread isnt it?
Keep scrolling
Oct 2, 2023 5:26 PM

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You know something is good when the ignorant haters with non sensical arguments arrive.
Oct 2, 2023 7:10 PM
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Unlike Oshi no Ko which started with 1st long ep, Frieren started with 4 ep continuously.
Sousou no Frieren is really popular manga that sold out like crazy (at least where I live), and also award winning, so the hype is expected I think.
Other anime that started with 1st long ep (but not that long like Oshi no Ko) are Fate UBW and Fate/Zero if I remember correctly, Rakugo, Kimetsu no Yaiba, Tate no Yuusha, Kanata no Astra, etc.. Even these are also popular manga but the score on MAL after 1st ep aren’t that high like Oshi no Ko or Frieren, so I think it depends on story as well? idk.
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@RobynGatomon

I can't speak for this as I only saw this first episode and watched a few videos talking about the manga, but the Oshi No Ko anime imho was indeed slightly overrated as it spent too much time and stopped on possibly the most boring idol-related arc, yet it wasn't overhyped. The manga is genuinely very good, though not perfect, provided you can get past the idol stuff that's just a pretext for a social critique of the entertainment industry and social media, and the anime cut quite a lots of stuff from the early chapters.

imagine for a moment that Death Note started its anime by setting up the premise of the death note, of shinigamis, of the battle between Light and L for three/four episodes (or one long first episode), and then it goes actually
forget that, here's a plot line about actors with a bunch of insignificant characters you don't care about. That's what Oshi No Ko did. There's really no excuse for it, and the way people hyped that show from start to finish was inexplicable.
@RobynGatomon

Yeah, I get it. It was my main criticism of the manga when I started reading it and it's even worse in the anime because of the runtime they had, the added exposition they gave it, and where they stopped at and, to continue using your analogy, it would be like they took the 3-4 episodes where Light meets Misa and then goes to Uni with L/Ryuzaki, stretched the romance and slice of life content and made the tennis match 1 whole episode, and just stopped there without tying those events into the main plot and seemingly just introducing a romance and slice of life subplot. This is what happened with ONK, the first few arcs of the entertainment industry, especially the idol arcs, are the lowest part of the manga, but they serve as set up for an ungodly amount of things, and as the story progresses this side of it becomes interwoven with the main plot and various subplots in a very natural way.

But even then, as I said the whole thing evolves more into a socio-cultural and economic critique of the entertainment industry at large and the culture surrounding it in the Internet era. Basically, think about what happened with Kana's webseries and even more with Akane's media backlash and if you liked that or at least didn't mind it, then it could be worth it. If you didn't like it, then just drop the series, the main plot may move forward too slowly for you and at that point you would probably find it more enjoyable to just read a detailed summary when the manga ends.

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i like both shows but i don't really see the point of this post.
Oct 2, 2023 9:06 PM
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Buuuut unlike oshi no ko, it does not turn bad (well I guess that's just my wishful thinking, we'll just have to wait and see) cause man did it turn into a disaster, it itself felt like that show it made fun of, just pretty characters with not real depth, for 5 episodes nothing changed at all, only one good scene I can remember, other than that, dumpster fire
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Sousou no frieren: It's amazing I haven't seen a good anime in a long time, but if it's an impressive animation with a world-building like that, it sounds intriguing. However, what makes the series so good, in my opinion, is the main character, Frieren. She's a very different main character compared to the others. In my view, this anime is undoubtedly outstanding, and the manga is also fascinating and excellent, much like the series...
Well I just had a hunch, this opening ACT is very similar to Oshi no Ko's cause that too got a long 1st ep, very intriguing OST, romantic yet excellent story start, and I am very much into the story right now...
Both even got above 9 ratings on MAL after the 1st 90 min ep...
So, did this anime make good use of the 1st ep?

u havent see a good anime in a long time its bcoz u watch hanime or just shit anime
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S10_Hinatakun said:
Sousou no frieren: It's amazing I haven't seen a good anime in a long time, but if it's an impressive animation with a world-building like that, it sounds intriguing. However, what makes the series so good, in my opinion, is the main character, Frieren. She's a very different main character compared to the others. In my view, this anime is undoubtedly outstanding, and the manga is also fascinating and excellent, much like the series...
Well I just had a hunch, this opening ACT is very similar to Oshi no Ko's cause that too got a long 1st ep, very intriguing OST, romantic yet excellent story start, and I am very much into the story right now...
Both even got above 9 ratings on MAL after the 1st 90 min ep...
So, did this anime make good use of the 1st ep?

u havent see a good anime in a long time its bcoz u watch hanime or just shit anime
can you recommend me some better anime ?
Oct 3, 2023 5:27 AM

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Oh yes, the worldbuilding is fantastic and the episode shows everything that needs to be understood about it.

Oct 3, 2023 5:54 AM
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I still for the life om cannot fathom the Oshi no Ko hate.
Oct 3, 2023 7:46 AM
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I mean I was thinking of a different oshi no ko effect personally
Oct 3, 2023 8:05 AM
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I think the biggest difference is that Sousou no Frieren will run a lot longer, which means they will have more time to flesh out the story and end at a much better arc than OnK.

Plus, personally, OnK's story is not really easy to relate at all. If you're not into media or entertainment industry tidbits, the story will get boring or annoying at some point. Frieren won't have that problem, I guarantee it.
Oct 3, 2023 9:22 AM

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Why people act like Oshi no Ko invented the concept of extra long episodes? Besides, Frieren didn't have one, it just premiered 4 at once.
Oct 3, 2023 10:11 AM
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It’s good but I think the rating being so high is mostly because of the manga fans. If I were to rate it by what has happened right now it’d just be a 7 because it seems interesting but not too much has happened yet.
Oct 3, 2023 12:42 PM
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average anime.. 5/10..
@Zayed_Iftekher There's always one
Oct 3, 2023 1:06 PM

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Well, let me tell you something.

Sousou had 4 episodes while Oshi no Ko had a movie. There's a difference in the structure of an episode and a movie.
If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time.

Watch more movies, please.

Perhaps, this is hell.
Oct 3, 2023 2:44 PM
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smh another dumb post worring about scores when most of the people care about is if this one will be a great watch.
Oct 3, 2023 3:13 PM
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I mean I was thinking of a different oshi no ko effect personally
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The top 3 series had finally agreed to be the guardians of an unclaimed throne for time immemorial, ready to crush underfoot any ambitious challengers who would come to realize that the top 3, in their unity, had chosen to share the throne rather than humble themselves to lesser roles.
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Why people act like Oshi no Ko invented the concept of extra long episodes? Besides, Frieren didn't have one, it just premiered 4 at once.
@Ionliosite2 You have to realize that most of these people are either so new to anime as a genre or have never delved any further than Kimetsu no Yaiba or Naruto so they don't know that other shows did this concept and better. I mean, sweet Christmas, LoGH did two of these both at the start and in the middle to further explain the complexities of the current galactic society. But, ask any of these people what LoGH or their opinion on Berserk '99 and I'll bet you an elephant that most will offer a blank stare in response.
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"You've faced many life-and-death situations. But that does not make you an adult. Finding more fallen-out hairs on your pillow, watching your favorite stuffed-bread disappear from the convenience store... the accumulation of those little despairs is what makes a person an adult."-Nanami Kento

"When a piece of media is bad, it's much easier to nitpick the less significant things because they're seen as a part of the problem. Alternatively, it becomes more difficult to nitpick something like a masterpiece because even the flaws are seen as contributing to the overall quality of the media." -Paraphrasing Mauler
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Not sure how it's got anything to do that was specific to Oshi no Ko, but alright
Oct 3, 2023 4:12 PM
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The set up eps were very deep and showed the MC’s personality very well. The relationships between Fireren and her old party members need to be flushed out more but I felt myself attaching to them very quickly. I’m interested in seeing where this story goes.
Another show with Ms. Yoasobi singing the OP! The visuals are stunning and very beautiful and detailed.
I’m sure it’s just the set-up that makes it feel a bit slower and low-key to me so I’ll give it the chance to ramp up.
Oct 3, 2023 7:15 PM
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It wasn’t overhyped it was hyped up and said to be good everyone always says overhyped. It’s a popular and solid show. It got attention b/c it’s good even if you don’t like it that just your opinion it’s not a wrong opinion you can dislike something but you should putting down other for disagreeing both are good shows both have good characters and both were hyped up since they were good. They’re different from popular anime yes but that shouldn’t deter them.
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It wasn’t overhyped it was hyped up and said to be good everyone always says overhyped. It’s a popular and solid show. It got attention b/c it’s good even if you don’t like it that just your opinion it’s not a wrong opinion you can dislike something but you should putting down other for disagreeing both are good shows both have good characters and both were hyped up since they were good. They’re different from popular anime yes but that shouldn’t deter them.
@_Yotsugi_ Hard disagree. Oshi No Ko set itself up from the first episode as being this introspection and condemnation of the entertainment industry as a whole. Instead, Ruby spends an inner monologue every two episodes reminding us that he is out for the murderer of his mom and also the entertainment industry is toxic af, and then the show turns around and contradicts itself. It's poorly written. I could tolerate the contradictions if they were more misdirection that later got revealed for what they were, but the show never makes any attempt at implying that what we are seeing is not the whole story. Instead, every reminder of how scummy the entertainment industry is devolves into a SoL show except it's just a bunch of teen idols that the industry will simply chew up and spit out when they fall off. I will give OnK the benefit of noting that it had some balls in showing that with one character, but that entire arc turned around way too quickly. She fell off for what, 3 years? Most actors go at least double that before they get another role.
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"You've faced many life-and-death situations. But that does not make you an adult. Finding more fallen-out hairs on your pillow, watching your favorite stuffed-bread disappear from the convenience store... the accumulation of those little despairs is what makes a person an adult."-Nanami Kento

"When a piece of media is bad, it's much easier to nitpick the less significant things because they're seen as a part of the problem. Alternatively, it becomes more difficult to nitpick something like a masterpiece because even the flaws are seen as contributing to the overall quality of the media." -Paraphrasing Mauler
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