Manga 'Tadaima, Okaeri' Gets Anime Adaptation

@ZXEAN

The baby was born to a guy so he doesn't have a mother, he has two fathers, I don't know who but he does.

@meyve I already said this above. Men simply never have this kind of experience in real life. It could be really realistic with a female perspective, but in the end it's just a fantasy of what it would be like for couples of beautiful bishonens to experience marital problems. And the harems, rom-coms, or isekai you mentioned aren't trying to emulate real human experiences or talk about real issues, so even while understanding your attempts to appeal to a dislike of male-focused fantasies, it still doesn't compare. There's a difference between using conventions and fiction to tell about real-life issues (1984 became a cult book for a reason) and simply wish fulfillment through fiction.

But yes, if someone tried to prove to me that SAO or To Love ru are deep and intelligent works about computer games or boys going through teenage puberty, I would tell them the same thing.

@RobertBobert I think you are taking the "realistic" word too literally. In my opinion, it is enough for something to be relatable, to be similar or close to what I or someone else has experienced, for it to be realistic. And again, as I said, just because one element in it is realistic does not mean that the whole series is. Like dunno, I haven't read this manga, but if the relationship of the main couple is like a normal couple, I would call it realistic, but does that mean the series is realistic? No.

I think this is getting unnecessarily long, so I'm out.

@Absurdo_N How is that even possible ? A guy is giving birth to a child lol.

@ZXEAN

It's just fiction, there are mangas with futanari lolis with huge dicks, women with huge breasts in fiction.

@Absurdo_N I think what confuses people is that for some reason it doesn't have a fantasy or sci-fi tag.

@RobertBobert

Science fiction and fantasy are both fiction, the work is neither science fiction nor fantasy, but it is fiction and in the world of fiction anything is possible.
If they get confused, we enlighten them.

@Sphealz Then don't promote it as a realistic show about serious real-life issues, okay? There's nothing wrong with a BL show catering to the fantasies of BL fans, you shouldn't have to make excuses for it. You just look silly trying to do this.

@Absurdo_N The way you try to "enlighten" them already suggests that manga and anime should have one of these tags. Men giving birth are too much of a convention for conventionally realistic work. It's like I'm trying to convince someone that Air is a pretty realistic anime, it just has reincarnation and people with wings. Although I'm not sure that this will particularly help with people who would be shocked by this even in the realm of fantasy.

@ZXEAN

It's just fiction, there are mangas with futanari lolis with huge dicks, women with huge breasts in fiction.

@RobertBobert I never said it was? I literally said it was fiction.

@RobertBobert

But what tag would we put, the work is not fantasy and does not deal with any scientific subject... Maybe an M-preg tag then? I think this could be a solution for people who want to avoid this type of program and those who want this type of program.

@SafetyInLetters Next year we'll get one of the classic "yuritopia" shows where almost everyone around is a lesbian, so why not adapt something about guys? No, it's not my cup of tea and I understand that it's pretty weird, but saying "it's weird so it shouldn't be adapted" is pretty weird.

@RobertBobert where exactly did I say it shouldn’t be adapted? I’m just legit shocked an omegaverse manga is being adapted in the first place. Like I wouldn’t think even a studio that makes BL anime would touch that trope but clearly what do I know?

I even said I’d give it a chance. Again, not hating on this specific anime/manga, personally I dislike omegaverse but I get that other people like it and they are of course allowed to. Plus this looks like it could be cute despite the omegaverse of it all.

@SafetyInLetters I just don't see why so many people didn't expect this to get an anime. Yes, it seems many here were shocked by the male pregnancy, but even BL fans write about the surprise for some reason.

@RobertBobert

It's because it's niche content... But I was surprised because I know the origin of Omegaverse and I never thought it could get an anime one day. Omegaverse was born in FanFictions of the Supernatural series and became so popular that other FanFictions with the genre were born, then mangas and manhwas with the genre began to appear and now this will get an anime. I keep thinking about the author/creator of the omegaverse, how that person feels after seeing a genre that she/he created get an anime.

@Absurdo_N I think what confuses people is that for some reason it doesn't have a fantasy or sci-fi tag.

@RobertBobert Omegaverse in itself I believe started as a tag in mostly fantasy fanfics and other literary works (related to werewolves, vampires...). But then in Japan became a part (subcategory) of BL (and GL) as a genre almost exclusively. Now, I can see why the concept in itself would be confusing for those unaccustomed and automatically belong under fantasy or sci-fi... But I think a lot of people who've read bl for quite some time have always seen as just a part of BL and haven't associated it with fantasy or sci-fi, possibly because of other works with those tags that include "more outlandish" stuff, like time travel, dragons, aliens, post apocaliptic worlds etc. Maybe it's just a difference between how readers and non readers experience it.

@SafetyInLetters I just don't see why so many people didn't expect this to get an anime. Yes, it seems many here were shocked by the male pregnancy, but even BL fans write about the surprise for some reason.

@Absurdo_N Does this have anything to do with Supernatural? A quick look at the Wikipedia article gave me the impression that someone had decided to combine role-playing games with the typical alpha and omega speculation from Twitter. Although, if you think about it, this again brings us back to some strange fixation by fujoshi on the dynamics of power and violence in relationships.

@RobertBobert Maybe because studios more often than not pick more "safer" options to adapt, like school slice of life bl, unless they're purposefully animating something smutty (like one of those short OVAs that are mostly porn). Omegaverse is still considered a risky thing with little broad appeal to choose, similar to horror or very graphic serialized bl that is not a one shot hentai.

@RobertBobert

Yes, the omegaverse was born in the FanFictions of the Supernatural series and was based on several things from the animal kingdom, the words "alpha, omega and beta" come from wolves, the "knot" comes from dogs, the "pheromones" come from cats and the "heat" comes from the animal kingdom in general.

There is the whole issue of violence and domination in the Omegaverse precisely because the Omegaverse is based on the animal kingdom where heats are sometimes violent.

@Absurdo_N So, is the omegaverse basically a fantasy about the workings of the human or near-human world based on animal laws? A sort of idealized social Darwinism? Hmm, this makes me look at some shows differently...

@RobertBobert

That's right, there is a hierarchy in many omegaverses, the alphas (men/women) are at the top, the betas (men/women) in the middle and the omegas (men/women) at the bottom.

Where is the mother ?

@Nutella71 Are you talking about BL in general? Well, I've always wondered why, until recently, most BL shows were either regular ship bait or explicit erotica, while actual BL was censored in certain ways. Something we clearly didn't see with yuri, where the bulk of the show was still pretty openly gay. Is lesbianism, with all the "super friendships" and "lesbians before graduation" that much more accepted in Japanese society than explicit male homosexuality?

@Absurdo_N Does this apply to science fiction works about unusual societies like Darling in the Franxx or fantasy with pairings with slaves, servants, etc? Or are alphas and omegas necessarily needed as a framework? For example, I remember a fairly old yuri manga about the forbidden love of two ikemen onna in a world where women are divided by gender roles. That is, the female version of what BL fandom calls "male lesbians." Perhaps in the West there is another term for this, I mean BL where both characters are extremely feminine.

@Absurdo_N, I don't know about it, thanks for the explanation!

@Memore

You're welcome, it's cool to know the origins of things.

@RobertBobert Yes, I meant in general. I don't know what you mean by ship bait, since bl anime are mostly if not always adapted from bl manga where the couple is either already together or is guaranteed to end up together. I'm not the one to speak, but it is surely still a taboo enough for it to guarantee two guys being declined entrance at a love hotel or having gay districts that are considered sketchy, plus the still present stereotypes and caricatures of how fujos and/or gay men act and look like (but that is not Japan exclusive).

@RobertBobert

This has no relation to slaves or servants.
Well, the alphas are at the top because they are the strongest, sexually attractive and the power of their pheromones and the omegas are at the bottom because they are considered "inferior", and that's it.
I like this manga, it's "Renai Idenshi XX" isn't it? This manga and the Omegaverse don't share many similarities. I like the last chapter of this manga which reverses the characters' genders and has lemon.
I don't know about the rest of America, but we call masculine lesbians "sapatão"(big shoes) and for effeminate guys we don't have a specific word, but even if the guy is straight he can end up being called gay.

I didn't mean masculine lesbians. I was referring to BL works that overuse androgynous male designs. About 5 or 10 years ago, there was a seinen show with a similar idea to My Happy Marriage, and the author of the original manga was known for the fact that her male characters were often indistinguishable from androgynous girls. Because of this, her BL was even jokingly called male yuri.

@ZXEAN, one of the fathers is the mother here.

@Memore Lol ok. This shit is cringe asf but funny as well.

Can someone explain to me what an omegaverse is? I know it has to do with alpha's and omega's in a social hierarchy and apparently there is like pheromones' or something weird like that in it. Also I thought the omegaverse was strictly all males but according to some of the users above there is all females and both male and female populated omegaverse's out there which confusing me even more because I never heard of an omegaverse in the context that females existed in them. I thought it was suppose to be a BL fantasy world? Unless everyone is still gay for some reason even if both males and females exist. Every time I do research into omegaverse's I swear I lose so many braincells trying to figure it out.

@WaffleMaster89, yes, you are right.

The Omegaverse has abstract premises for which it could be considered a fantasy genre according to the conventions established by Todorov, but the high specification of its characteristic elements suggests that it could also be considered a literary genre in itself. Its main peculiarity is that characters have two sexes: a main one (male or female), decided by their external sexual organs, and a secondary one, that manifests during puberty, determined by their internal reproductive system. It's usually chosen from one of the following, each of which also corresponds to some distinctive character traits

Alpha (α): socially (and in some interpretations, even biologically) dominant, physically built, short-tempered and a natural leader;
Beta (β): depending on the story, they are regular human beings, or have a mix of Alpha and Omega traits, or their own unique traits;
Omega (Ω): submissive and gentle, calm and a peacemaker.

Omegaverse fiction typically focuses on wolf or other canid-like behavior in humans, especially as it pertains to sexual intercourse and sexuality, which is described as instinctual, responding to animalistic physiological stimuli. This includes rutting and heat cycles, pheromonal attraction between Alphas and Omegas, penises with knots (used to "knot", or tie, the partner to an Alpha during copulation, an action known as "knotting"), scent marking, imprinting, breeding, mating rites, pack structures] and potentially permanent psychic bonds with a mate. Between Alphas and Betas, only females can carry on a pregnancy, but male Omegas are often envisaged as being able to become pregnant via a uterus connected to the rectum, and Alphas can impregnate regardless of their main gender. To make penetration and impregnation easier, male Omegas often have self-lubricating anuses.

Since Omegaverse is a type of folksonomy, some of its aspects are included or excluded at the discretion of the story author. Sometimes Betas are absent, or other intermediate designations such as Deltas and Gammas are added. The genre often features other fantasy elements, such as the presence of werewolves or other fantastical creatures. Some works introduce a rigid caste system, where Alphas are depicted as the upper class elites while Omegas are at the bottom tier and face discrimination and oppression because of their physiology, creating an example of biological determinism. In darker stories, this results in non-consensual or dubiously consensual intercourses, forced pregnancies, Omegas kidnapping and sexual slavery.

Omegaverse works are most frequently focused on male-male couples composed of an Alpha and an Omega, though heterosexual Omegaverse works have been produced, and by 2013, about 10% were labeled male/female. Some subvert the genre tropes, telling stories about illicit relationships between Alphas, Omegas who hide their smell using chemical pheromones so that they are not a victim of biological prejudices, or dominant Omegas and submissive Alphas. Non-traditional couples are often featured in Japanese Omegaverse works.

While the terms "A/B/O" and "Omegaverse" can be used interchangeably, the first one often refers only to the sexual dynamics, while the second one is preferred when the story is set in a new ideological world. Some prefer to avoid use of the term "A/B/O" as its spelling resembles a racial slur towards Aboriginal Australians.

In 2012, the notion of "fated mates" was introduced. In 2014 Omegaverse gained strong traction in Japan, acquiring market value with the publication of the first A/B/O manga in 2015. In 2016 the discrimination and power dynamics between Alphas, Betas and Omegas began to be outlined, and the idea of the mark or bite that chemically and biologically links couples together was created, while in 2018 the concept of the "inner wolf", an animal instinct guiding Alphas and Omegas, arose. Through her work Kanraku Alpha Enigma, manga artist Shinshi Nakai subsequently tried to add the "Enigma", a new type of character who can mutate their secondary gender, but the novelty was resisted by Omegaverse fans and had no impact or continuity.

The term u all lookin' for is "Cuntboy" *sips tea*

Futa x Cuntboy tag seems a bit more niche

@Memore

Your explanation is very good, congratulations, you mentioned several important details that I forgot and that I didn't know (I hadn't heard of the enigma yet).

Didnt expect an omegaverse manga to be adapted, weird descicion to adapt, the subgenre its still very unknown to most of the people. Not for me tho, i have read some fanfictions (GL-BL and heterosexual) with this subgenre .

I just hope they add at the beginning of the episodes an explanation of how that alternate universe works, because even between omegaverse series, theres isnt a super fixed plot or characteristics, every author can add and change things, or at least they do in fanfictions.