EvilGrinJul 23, 2023 5:50 PM
| Sara, she insulted first and was ungrateful for being saved, what Rudeus did after was justified, I think most people in that position would do the same. Acting like a Tsundere in a story where people act realistically shows in this episode how it doesn't work in the real world. |
| This reminds me of the Rudeus and Paul confrontation in Season 1. Both parties had issues and faults but neither were explicitly at fault, shit just happened like here. Sara could have been there for Rudeus and ask about what he is going through, especially since it is clear he has been having emotional baggage for a while but left while being mad, and Rudeus couldn't control himself while drunk and blurted out stuff and did things he would have never wanted to do or say. Regarding the ED thing, he didn't even realize he had that earlier like you said so with all that happening, just felt like an overall bad situation overall for everyone with no one explicitly to blame over the other. Like with Rudeus and Paul and the shit that happened with both of them, both being right in some ways and wrong in others in a situation when they had no idea how the other properly felt. Sara could not understand what Rudeus was going through to have that ED thing happen, and Rudeus was too out of control and haphazard with his emotions to blurt out insults like that towards Sara without realizing what he was doing. |
| Sara, most definitely. And I don’t normally defend Rudeus’ stupid antics. This one is on her though. |
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| Both, each of them made a mistake and neither of them bucked up to talk it out, and continued to act childish. Now they will go their separate ways regretting how they handled it, till they inevitably meet again to make amends. |
dabdabgoose said: Sara, she insulted first and was ungrateful for being saved, what Rudeus did after was justified, I think most people in that position would do the same. Acting like a Tsundere in a story where people act realistically shows in this episode how it doesn't work in the real world. Are we talking about the same episode? The entire episode until after the e.d, she was being lovey with him and made the first move due to being thankful for him. She literally told him she’s grateful for him, and she’d be dead if not for saving her. She handled it poorly initially, thinking the e.d was cuz of her, and what Rudy went on to drunkenly spout was childish and didn’t help anything. Both are at fault for a lack of communication, and Rudy saying she’s built like a kid and wouldn’t want her anyways is pure cope for his trauma. I do agree with the last part tho. |
| Sara is inexperienced and she basically thought that Rudeus couldn't get it up because her body was not good enough. That's why she left those words while leaving his room |
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| I'd like to believe, that it was because Rudeus did not in fact had any feelings for her and we can overall consider this whole scene as him growing up and dropping his pervy ways, because he is no konger just lusting after a body. |
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| paul and zenith fault they make rudeus live in the world, the car driver for not driving safely make him reincarnate, and of course GOD if exist... |
| heuh.... |
| All 3 of them - Rudeus, Eris and Sara. Eris for causing the misunderstanding with Rudy when she left and causing his ED. Sara for leaving the room like that, though she did misunderstand the situation so she's less at fault. And Rudy for being an ass while being drunk, and for becoming depressed over and over again + then drinking too much. |
Polvo_Aranha said: Facts. Neither of them should have been trying to jump straight to sleeping with the other person. Both were drunk and wrong in both situations. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Sara was drunk, her reaction is deprecable and tactless but can be explained as a typical teenage reaction of a girl that has self-esteem issues and thinks she's not actractive enough, more to that she has a prideful tomboyish tsundere character not easy to open up to others so probably she felt rejected, but she's clearly in love with Rudeus, she did not act like an adult woman would do. Rudeus too, he had no fault, he felt rejected and he's traumatized by women so drunk and depressed he said those things out of rage without knowing she was there in the town square. A bad mix of misunderstandings, immaturity and bad luck... it's a pity, because Sara is kawaii and they looked so well together, she could be a perfect 4th waifu of his harem but the plot (the author) chose otherwise. |
| God, this Series is so classy xD |
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| I think you have to remember we're talking about hikkikomori or shut in here, that's one of the core plot themes of this entire story is that Rudeus in his previous life effectively did not live a 'normal life' at all; the whole concept of hikkikomoris and shut ins is that their social and personal growth are pretty much stunted and even regressed in some cases. It doesn't matter how many years you've had to live as a shut in, time effectively becomes meaningless. People literally die as shut ins from the day they become one, to the point sometimes their corpses get found months after the fact they become one in a mountain of garbage, because its usually a stranger who has to report their smell since there is literally no one in their life who checks up on them. That's how bad their isolation gets. Add in that maybe its a slightly fictionalized exaggeration of his trauma that require some suspension of disbelief if it carries over into a different life (thus different brain), but saying they had X many years to just 'get over' his previous life's traumas doesn't just work like that man, not even in real life. Another one of the main themes which people enjoy the most about; is that Rudeus is by no means an extraordinary genius or prodigy who has everything figured out. The main point of this story is him struggling to figure everything out once more from scratch after failing to or never having the chance to do this in his past depressing life. |
Ploxyfoxy said: This gave me a good laugh,esp the part where you say "People should strive to be better even if they didn't deserve a second chance to begin with."SacredFactor said: He wasn't a a shut in for the last 15 years and was given a loving family and enhanced abilities that allowed him to be "special" from day 1 in this new world.I think you have to remember we're talking about hikkikomori or shut in here, that's one of the core plot themes of this entire story is that Rudeus in his previous life effectively did not live a 'normal life' at all; the whole concept of hikkikomoris and shut ins is that their social and personal growth are pretty much stunted and even regressed in some cases. It doesn't matter how many years you've had to live as a shut in, time effectively becomes meaningless. People literally die as shut ins from the day they become one, to the point sometimes their corpses get found months after the fact they become one in a mountain of garbage, because its usually a stranger who has to report their smell since there is literally no one in their life who checks up on them. That's how bad their isolation gets. Add in that maybe its a slightly fictionalized exaggeration of his trauma that require some suspension of disbelief if it carries over into a different life (thus different brain), but saying they had X many years to just 'get over' his previous life's traumas doesn't just work like that man, not even in real life. Another one of the main themes which people enjoy the most about; is that Rudeus is by no means an extraordinary genius or prodigy who has everything figured out. The main point of this story is him struggling to figure everything out once more from scratch after failing to or never having the chance to do this in his past depressing life. If you minus the years he was a shut in ( during highschool) then he has at least THIRTY years of not being a shut in, with 15 of those being the most recent. He was given massive magic powers, how is he not a prodigy? Didn't he become one of the top water mages in the history of the world at a young age skill wise? Yeah, people keep telling me the story of a mentally ill person that struggles and becomes a better person over time. But it's season 3 and he's hardly progressed after 15 years in this world where he 1. Isn't bullied. 2. Has special gifts with magic 3. Has no computer/otaku things to hold him back 4. Love of others, including romantically even when he doesn't deserve the admiration majority of the time. His decisions have already hurt/killed people. Those people aren't coming back when he's 'better'. He only saves Sara because he sees her as a sexual object , as a stand in for his tsundere underage incest love interest. All of his actions heroically have been to self serve his own hurt ego, the ego that he hurts himself more often than not. Being mentally ill is only an explanation, it's never an excuse when it comes to hurting others with your actions. I think everyone just needs to accept that he was never a good person in his previous life, he didn't deserve to be bullied, but the situation was of his own making (like when he yelled at his classmate and flipped his lid) or his obsession with underage girls and anime leaving him to forget his studies and then become obese and smelly/not taking showers). And because he was never really a good person, he just isn't sympathetic. The only people that should relate to him are other people are were NEVER good people, not because they are inherently not good, but because their purposeful actions made them into unlikable people and they refuse to change. This story is their "hope", that they can still change even if they never were good in the first place, which I commend. People should strive to be better even if they didn't deserve a second chance to begin with. It may be a good world and a good story but he's not a sympatric character. He's an empathic character for people that are also just as bad as him. Important difference. Why should people strive to be better when all that you do to be better usually gets you into a worst state or situation.Thats the way this world is,you do "good stuff",you get kicked back down again. And on a side note to that,good or evil is subjective to the person who's deciding what good or evil is. You do realise you are talking about human beings? - A species who gladly hurts/kills others of the same species(and other,so called,lesser species) for a myriad of reasons,not just evil reasons,for so-called good ones as well. And as for being an empathic character for people that are also just as bad as him,he's human,we make mistakes,thats how we learn,supposedly,though the majority of people don't even bother to take those lessons on board. As for him only saving Sara "because he sees her as a sexual object , as a stand in for his tsundere underage incest love interest.",if that was the case,why would he go and risk his life for her in the first place? Wouldn't he have just gone and found another sexual object? Wouldn't you? |
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Xlab said: Honestly, is MT a show where you can throw the word "fault" around? Lets run down the situation here: Rudeus has just had a big realisation. Considering who raised him (paul and the Boreas Greyrats), a lot of self worth would be on his ability to perform in intimate moments. The show at least looked like he was having a panic attack about this, so obviously he can't communicate in the moment. Sara, a pretty young adventurer, probably never been intimate before, was almost certainly incredibly self-conscious even while drunk. She has probably, through hearsay and dirty jokes at taverns, come to the conclusion that guys not getting aroused means they think badly of their partner, as "men are always ready to go". A phrase I'm sure everyone has heard IRL as well. Incredibly hurt by this, she leaves and her wounded pride trys to protect itself by detaching herself from any intimate feelings with probably one of the harshest parting shots you can give a guy. Understandable if you think about the fact she just exposed literally everything and got "rejected". Hurt people hurt people. And I really doubt she knew what a panic attack looks like either. As for side characters, Soldat... I gotta give props to this man. Despite hating Rudy's guts at the start of the episode, he does his best to help him through a tough patch, even though he has no idea what he was doing. And Suzanne doesn't do much, but her "out of line" comment makes a lot of sense when you realise she heard Sara's side, saw him coming out of a brothel insulting Sara, also has no context to anything. There are very few cut and dry "X person is in the wrong here" moments in this show, much like real life. I would say it's one of the show's strong points. It's either understandable mistakes or very realistic reactions to things. Even Eris' miscommunication at the end of last season is an understandable miscommunication. honestly in MT the fault is not trying to clear the misunderstanding. And its a mutual fault. Like how Eris left him and he feels rejected by her but she didn't mean it. |
EvilGrinJul 24, 2023 2:57 AM
| I'm going to say no one as they are two young kids who were further than expected. Sara is upset she didn't get drill and he is upset he didn't get his first piece of action since Eris. I'll chalk up to youthful inexperience on both ends. |
| I got a Masters degree. I don't have to worry bout school anymore. |
Ploxyfoxy said: Yes, that's the point of this series. SacredFactor said: He wasn't a a shut in for the last 15 years and was given a loving family and enhanced abilities that allowed him to be "special" from day 1 in this new world.I think you have to remember we're talking about hikkikomori or shut in here, that's one of the core plot themes of this entire story is that Rudeus in his previous life effectively did not live a 'normal life' at all; the whole concept of hikkikomoris and shut ins is that their social and personal growth are pretty much stunted and even regressed in some cases. It doesn't matter how many years you've had to live as a shut in, time effectively becomes meaningless. People literally die as shut ins from the day they become one, to the point sometimes their corpses get found months after the fact they become one in a mountain of garbage, because its usually a stranger who has to report their smell since there is literally no one in their life who checks up on them. That's how bad their isolation gets. Add in that maybe its a slightly fictionalized exaggeration of his trauma that require some suspension of disbelief if it carries over into a different life (thus different brain), but saying they had X many years to just 'get over' his previous life's traumas doesn't just work like that man, not even in real life. Another one of the main themes which people enjoy the most about; is that Rudeus is by no means an extraordinary genius or prodigy who has everything figured out. The main point of this story is him struggling to figure everything out once more from scratch after failing to or never having the chance to do this in his past depressing life. If you minus the years he was a shut in ( during highschool) then he has at least THIRTY years of not being a shut in, with 15 of those being the most recent. He was given massive magic powers, how is he not a prodigy? Didn't he become one of the top water mages in the history of the world at a young age skill wise? Yeah, people keep telling me the story of a mentally ill person that struggles and becomes a better person over time. But it's season 3 and he's hardly progressed after 15 years in this world Rudeus is born with the largest mana pool in this universe, but socially and personality wise, hes a stunted human being who makes a lot of flawed choices mostly because he is inexperienced with human relationships. So yes, prodigy in one innate field he was born with, but pretty borderline retarded in other areas. You've pointed out what makes this story interesting, hes just a flawed character who makes bad choices because he was undeniably a pretty shitty (but fairly not uncommon) human being in his previous life who hates himself. Thus he is not a "prodigy" which by that I really mean a Gary Stu. If you wanted a Gary Stu where the protagonist's only downfall or challenge comes from some external convoluted factor that only happens way later on in the story but it was explained in depth so as to be plausible enough to not actually come from an imperfection or flaw of their own making so fans don't mald over the MC not being perfect human being, then this one story ain't it. Somehow I wouldn't expect that to change either anytime soon if I were you. |
| me, it's my fault man. |
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| the answer is quite simple: both. |
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| Neither are at fault |
| Obviously Rudy? Just listen to what he said at the end. For some reason I felt really sad for Sara in this especially at the end when he said all that. |
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