I dont understand why shoujo isnt popular in west since echi harem isekai which owned it instead

Sylpheline said:
They were a lot of shojo with male mc already even in the old days like the nineties. Of course most have women mc for obvious target watchers reason even know by far so maybe you just find some stuff you did hated and think its the new trend but it clearly isnt what get you that impression?

degeneracy horny neet pedofhile that really opposite where the world we live in

ISeeLifePeople said:
Just look at every new anime above 2020 there are dozen anime which titled with isekai blabala, isekai ...., etc whereas shoujo only got new remake like fruit basket even cant surpass old shoujo era 2000-2010s while kaichou maid sama still number 1 in shoujo class not to mention echi + harem + isekai really arent suit for wholesome western culture people like us where we always have proper manner and elegantism in every way than degeneracy horny neet pedofhile that really opposite where the world we live in

Gwyn223 said:
Well, I believe it's simply because the Western audience has poor taste when it comes to anime. They are easily lured in by shallow and generic shows with lots of fan service, rather than appreciating the complex and emotional storytelling that shoujo anime offers..

ryo-san said:
I don't know May be western girls don't like girls Manga and instead like violent shounen and ecchii

SgtBateMan said:
Because sex sells better than two installments of anime adaptation for two teenagers having blood flow to their face because their hands accidentally touch.

ChouunShiryuu said:

But that's what we are here for, well at least me ✧・ﾟ:*( ͡ꈍ ͜ʖ̫ ͡ꈍ )*:・ﾟ✧

BilboBaggins365 said:

You live in a different world than me? Western media is highly sexual and you should go ask what our politicians are doing lol. By  our standards Japan is pretty prudish. Vinland Saga even cut out the nudity. If you are a proper viking show like Last Kingdom you need a unnecessary gratuitous sex scene per two episodes. 

Anyway seriously you made a thread similar to one that already exists. If you want my detailed response it's there but simply shojo media doesn't have enough prominent action. That is what most people watch anime for.  It's too romance and SOL heavy for the average casual fan including female fans to care about that much. YA female target content that gets popular widely tends to be action adventure content that can get a wide broad audience. 

Also you probably should look at what is actually popular in the medium lol. Harems are not mainstream nor popular. Ecchi has been on a decline over the last decade. It's more explict sure when you get it but it's not even close to as common as it was when I got into anime in the late 2000s early 2010s. Plus sure lots of isekai are boring but I wish they were full blown degenerate shows lol. Most are just pretty milquetoast content wise. 

epidemia78 said:
apparently shoujo isn't popular in "the east" either otherwise they'd be making more of it.

ryo-san said:
I don't know May be western girls don't like girls Manga and instead like violent shounen and ecchii

ISeeLifePeople said:

I dont talk about 3d or real life show like hollywood, bollywood, or wakaliwood instead lollll. Not really wide like other genre, shoujo genre literally dead after 2010 even based on top kono manga or light novel sugoi for female audience extremely rare got anime adaptation not to mention ur skeptical about how big influence of echi harem show due to u only know based on official tag in fact there are plenty show which contains these theme even some of chars become TOP TIER WAIFU list after 2010 like
Konosuba
Bunny girl senpai
5 toubun hanayome
Kuzu no honkai
Danmachi
Etc
https://myanimelist.net/stacks/24838

ISeeLifePeople said:
nope ur not alone since mostly of usually a degeneracy, horny, neet, pedophilia or compilation all of them instead lmaooo dakara sa uta o utaimashouu chouiuiuiuiuin shiryu san LMFAOOO

UnoPuntoCinco said:
Because women are actually going out and getting laid

ChouunShiryuu said:

Hai! utaimashou! Here's another one for our duet!

BilboBaggins365 said:

You were the one that went off on how you don't understand why the West likes "degenerate" shows. I am just pointing it out that anime/manga actually isn't that sexual lol. A showtime or HBO show would blow any non hentai out of the water in that regard. 

Secondly no I am just right. Ecchi has declined off anilist (better way to find this than MAL) in 2009 there are 42 entries for ecchi in 2010 47. Last year only 16. Sure ecchi doesn't include every show that has fanservice but that is true back then too (Fairy Tail isn't counted) but dedicated ecchi titles have declined so unless you are making the assertion untagged ecchi went dramatically up (highly skeptical of) ecchi targeted shows have objectively declined. You also have to account that the amount of productions in general has also increased since 2009. 

I mean I do occasionally watch seasonals and it's really not hard to find plenty of shows that have no ecchi, harem etc content. When I got into anime back in the late 2000s early 2010s you used to a few big ones every year. I never see that now. Reviewers was like the most relevant one and it came out three years ago and only gained some notoriety is because they turned it pretty much into a hentai and Funi had to take it off their platform. 

Finally yeah shojo/josei declined because women weren't watching enough late night anime. They cared more about late night dramas so popular shojo manga ended up there but otome isekai are getting popular and pretty much are shojo (just not officially as they are LN/web novels) and IG execs have talked about how they want to create more female targeted content. I expect seeing more otome isekai, maybe more shojo/josei adaptions and BL content in the future. 

Plus there is a difference between decline and aboslutely nothing. There are quite a few notable good shojo/josei adaptions that occured after 2010: Yona of the Dawn, [font="\"Google Sans\", arial, sans-serif-medium, sans-serif"]Shōwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjū[/font],
Chihayafuru, My Love Story, Banana Fish etc. 

ISeeLifePeople said:

Whats fckng wrong with u lolll, i tell u for twice
"I dont talk about 3d or real life show like hollywood, bollywood, or wakaliwood instead lollll"

Theres no objectiveness in order to decide genre itself since it hasnt official institution who decide it like k-on although cgcdt theme but counted as seinen since its published by seinen manga so does mahoutsukai no yome, has huge fanbase in female audience but counted as shounen not shoujo since its published by shounen manga. Moreover fanbase site like mal, anidb, anilist, etc since they are not primer source of its data

ISeeLifePeople said:
yeah i know about it lol but u can compare it with american cartoon which similiar with anime style like avatar, castlevania, etc since echi stuff really restricted there

Demographic target really important since they are business corporate which means profit beyond everything like if they wanna make x scene they have to categorize it as 18+ or seinen in anime maybe they can gain profit from underage horny audience with label it as Everyone lmaoo but its content contradict with law itself that cause company can be sued n will be disbanded anytime

BilboBaggins365 said:
WDYM? Castlevania had a full blown threesome sex scene. You will rarely get that in any non hentai production over here. 

Also there are shonen manga rated 18+ over here. Shonen manga have never had any issues putting tons of messed up stuff in their series. Devilman was one of the first big shonen manga as a reminder. 

ISeeLifePeople said:

Really LMFAO ?
Why did they hated so much about echi harem stuff meanwhile i never get anyone mention it beside u lolll ?

Wut is shounen 18+ ? Can u share about it ? About devilman its possible since this is old manga where gore and nudity really portraited at the era u can also found shows like it before 2000s

BilboBaggins365 said:
I mean Chainsaw Man had a full blown lesbian scissoring colour spread done by Fujimoto though I don't think that aired in the actual magazine. To Love Ru came out in the 2000s and had nudity and that actually aired in WSJ. That would instantly qualify for 18+. 

Secondly what are you talking about in the first sentence? Most people who whine about fanservice in anime have different issues with it but it isn't purely sex appeal that is considered the problem.