| When I think of anime, I think of the Japanese anime industry; thus, any IP that was produced outside of Japan is not anime to me. Simple enough. With that said, I wouldn't mind if a select few non-anime shows/movies appeared on MAL; if Avatar: The Last Airbender ever ends up on MAL, I would have another 10 on my list. |
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| It all depends if you define anime as a particular style or strictly as a Japanese product. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Anime is Japanese, by its very concept. Even Western shows that are inspired by anime still feel very distinct from anime, since they aren't from that culture and you can tell. I like having Chinese and Korean animations on the site, but I don't consider them to be anime. I prefer to refer to them as donghua and aeni respectively. Similarly, American animations should be referred to as cartoons, and unlike Chinese and Korean animations they don't have any right to be on the database. They're too far removed from the culture. Japan, China, and South Korea are geographically close, culturally similar, and have a shared history, while the US is not a part of that club. There definitely are Japanese animations that don't really have any cultural signifiers of what country birthed them, like demenshits. |
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| Yeah I stopped caring about this topic years ago, who cares? |
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AnimeTyger said: So you don’t consider animated shows from China or Korea as anime even though stuff like The Daily Life of an Immortal King or Seven Scissors are considered to be anime by most of the anime community and both have pages right here on MAL Correct. The Chinese and Korean animation industries have their own culture in terms of product, work ethics, and consumers. Their respective cultures may be influenced by Japanese anime, and there may be instances when people part of the Japanese industry work with people part of the Chinese/Korean/etc. industry, but that doesn't make it anime. |
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| The boundaries of "anime" are fuzzy at best, and this is a topic that will be debated over and over again on this site precisely because the definition is so vague. Saying American animation is not anime because it is too Western I feel misses the point, as there is plenty of anime (such as Cyberpunk: Edgerunner) that are based on Western source material like video games or comics. There are also plenty of works that are colabs between Japanese and Western companies, for example The Red Turtle was co-made by Studio Ghibli and Wild Bunch. Even well-known anime studio Pierrot was involved in production of season 2 of Legend of Korra, so the distinction isn't as cut and dry as many would like to believe. Personally I consider Avatar: The Last Airbender, Legend of Korra, RWBY (the original) Terese, Arcane, Castlevania, the Owl House etc. to be anime. In fact Avatar was the show that got me into anime. Especially in terms of Avatar and RWBY, I can't agree with this argument that a show inspired by Asian culture, has Asian voice actors, had an Asian director (for RWBY) isn't "Asian" enough to be considered anime. It's all b.s. That said the argument is pretty pedantic, enjoy what you want. |
| So where do you draw the line on what is considered anime? Anime=Japanese. Everything else is not anime. Is anime for exclusively from Japan? If it's made specifically for a Japanese audience then it's anime. Japan has outsourced a few anime to animation studios not in Japan, but they were made specifically FOR Japan and were dubbed in Japanese, for Japan's entertainment, thus, anime. Do you consider animated shows from China and Korea to be anime? No. Chinese series (which I watch and enjoy) are called 'donghua' which basically is their word for 'animation'. Korean series are called 'aeni' which is THEIR word for the same. Do consider certain shows from the western with clear anime influences to be anime? No. They were made for western entertainment and thus are not anime. They're cartoons with an asian influence. Doesn't make them anime. |
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AnimeTyger said: We already have Kitsu where users can vote on what things feel the most like anime. That's one of the reasons why I don't use Kitsu, though, and I think it's also one of the reasons why it's not as popular as MAL. It's less reliable when a database is based on what things feel like as opposed to categorizing things based on objective fact. Something can't objectively feel like an anime, that's a subjective experience, and marketing also isn't something to go off since a lot of things marketed as anime get rejected from the term by their viewers. There's also people who exclude things that actually are anime, like stop motion or CGI shows, because they feel different from what they're used to considering to be anime.zombie_pegasus said: Anime is Japanese, by its very concept. Even Western shows that are inspired by anime still feel very distinct from anime, since they aren't from that culture and you can tell. I like having Chinese and Korean animations on the site, but I don't consider them to be anime. I prefer to refer to them as donghua and aeni respectively. Similarly, American animations should be referred to as cartoons, and unlike Chinese and Korean animations they don't have any right to be on the database. They're too far removed from the culture. Japan, China, and South Korea are geographically close, culturally similar, and have a shared history, while the US is not a part of that club. There definitely are Japanese animations that don't really have any cultural signifiers of what country birthed them, like demenshits. That seems very restrictive seeing how anime is becoming more mainstream and globally. It’s influences has spread more in recent years and the influence of anime has seeped into every facet of the popular culture that’s really hard to ignore. I understand it being exclusive to the culture of Japan but the culture of anime has spread throughout the world that it being exclusive to just the Japanese culture seem very non inclusive. |
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| You mean like Avatar the last air bender and legend of Korra and teen titans the animated series ? |
| I honestly will never understand why this discussion even exists. You wouldn't even think to call an anime with obvious american/european influences a western animation, or even a cartoon. Then why call anime something that's just influenced by anime? It just feel pointless and forced. Anime is animation that is produced in Japan, mostly for Japan. No, that one Rick and Morty episode doesn't change that. |
AnimeTyger said: tchitchouan said: You mean like Avatar the last air bender and legend of Korra and teen titans the animated series ? Yes I mentioned some of those in the first part of my post in that case i know wakfu, code lyoko, bakugan, rwby, winx club, castlevania, the boondocks, totally spies, w.i.t.c.h, oban star racers, Martin Mystery, Kappa Mikey, team galaxy, Redakai: Conquer the Kairu. unsurprisingly many french and italian cartoon productions are very anime influenced. |
| In Japanese anime literally is a term that is all encompassing of animation in general so technically every animated movie or series is an anime. In Japanese you could literally say Shrek is your favorite anime if you wanted. |
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| So should Cowboy Bebop be considered a cartoon because it has clear western influence? |
| I consider certain shows to be “cousins” to anime, like Avatar the Last Airbender, Rwby, Miraculous Ladybug, and many other shows. They just have a similar feel that anime gives me, but they’re obviously not Japanese. |
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| I consider Princess Knight and Steins;Gate to be anime. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| that's bait. i'm not answering this. |
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| Everything animated is anime for me. Afaik Anime is the way japanese said animation, manga is comic, that's it. |
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| Based on style, i really think Teen Titans would be up there. It's a great show and uses many anime tropes well. |
| My waifu is the most wonderful waifu. Mai Valentine. We're freaking out that we're running out of time, but to do what? Should i stop and think of that? Is there something i could do to slow it down? Live in a day for once, instead of watch it sprinting by |
| any stylized animation can be anime if you think about it. |
| It honestly depends on how use the word 'anime'. LSSJ_Gaming said: In Japanese anime literally is a term that is all encompassing of animation in general so technically every animated movie or series is an anime. In Japanese you could literally say Shrek is your favorite anime if you wanted. This precisely. |
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| "Animated Shows That Could Be Considered Anime" Nothing, nada, zilch. Like "anime" simply indicates the country of origin. I wish MAL had a way to filter "donghua" and korean animation. |
| Courage The Cowardly Dog. ........ |
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| Just japanese stuff. Which begs the question: Is the Thundercats reboot japanese enough for me to consider it an anime? I'd say yes it is. So: Thundercats 2011: Anime Teen Titans: Not anime |
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| Any animated show that is not Japanese or at least doesn't have animation or direction from Japan then it's not anime, simple as that. With that being said, Teen Titans and Avatar The Last Airbender might have a lot of anime influence but it's not enough for me to call them anime. Which honestly I'm kinda glad... Avatar was alright but calling a Nickelodeon show an anime just gross me out a little |
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AnimeTyger said: ForbiddenFuji said: When I think of anime, I think of the Japanese anime industry; thus, any IP that was produced outside of Japan is not anime to me. Simple enough. With that said, I wouldn't mind if a select few non-anime shows/movies appeared on MAL; if Avatar: The Last Airbender ever ends up on MAL, I would have another 10 on my list. So you don’t consider animated shows from China or Korea as anime even though stuff like The Daily Life of an Immortal King or Seven Scissors are considered to be anime by most of the anime community and both have pages right here on MAL You say in your post "be civilized" but honestly you seem upset that your opinion isn't being validated by most people. Even if 'most of the anime community believes X' that doesn't mean it should affect one's own opinion on X. I also think the idea of considering foreign shows to be anime is just unnecessary. For the longest time the word anime in English has been used to refer to animated shows from Japan. If we were to disregard that and change the meaning altogether that'd cause more problems than you think. It's gonna complicate things even more. |
AnimeTyger said: There’s still a debate in the community on what should or shouldn’t be considered anime. Most people consider anime as an animation series or movie that is only from Japan. But that excludes the animation series or movies from China and Korea that some in the community and even right now on MAL to be considered anime. For me to consider a show or movie to be anime it must have noticeable anime influences. For example Avatar The Last Airbender has clear and noticeable anime influences or Samurai Jack which is basically an homage to the 90s cyberpunk anime. I even consider the Teen Titans show from 2003 be a perfect blend of western comic books and anime with even having anime opening being performed by a Japanese duo. So where do you draw the line on what is considered anime? Is anime for exclusively from Japan? Do you consider animated shows from China and Korea to be anime? Do consider certain shows from the western with clear anime influences to be anime? Even in Japan you could ask anyone who lives there and they will tell you Anime is simply any Animation that is a product of Japan. Anything else is just a cartoon from another country. MAL isn't some definitive authority on Anime, it's just a western platform that is commonly used to check out what Anime is available and to help keep track of what users have watched or not. I believe there was some obvious pressure campaign down the line that either forced MAL to start promoting things like Chinese Donghua or MAL came to the conclusion that simply lumping anything produced in North East Asia wouldn't bother a majority of the community. The problem is that it makes it extremely harder to actually find only Japanese Animation on a platform that is suppose to be dedicated to Anime when MAL doesn't even give users the ability to filter out all the Chinese Donghua garbage. MAL will let users sort out things from their studio to even starting dates, filter out genres to themes and even Demographics, and Even let users filter based on regional availability. If a user wants to filter out Chinese Donghua garbage, they are out of luck! MAL is the type of site that makes it easier to simply filter out kids shows than it is to find any new ONAs actually produced by a Japanese production company. To find any new actual OVAs or ONAs that are strictly a product of Japan I have to use a different platform, otherwise it's just a wall of Chinese Donghua garbage. |
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| Leave this stupid question to patchetic news outlets like CBR.com |
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AnimeTyger said: Now about the definition of the word anime. Your using the definition of the word in English and how impact the word in English not in Japanese. Japanese has a different definition for the word anime Is that not the point here? It's well known that in Japanese 'anime' refers to all kinds of animation, regardless of the country of origin. If you posted this with the Japanese definition in mind, then why would you post it, isn't the answer obvious? Yes, for Japanese people, anime refers to all animation. For the rest of the world, it's animation originating in Japan. |
| As someone who isn't Japanese (this is important), I consider something as an anime when it looks like one, feels like one, is animated like one, sounds like one. For example, Avatar looks a bit like Japanese anime, but it isn't animated similarly and the art has that western cartoon feel to it. However, to Japanese people, anime can be a Japanese animated cartoon to Disney 3D animation. They call what we call "anime" a "Japanese anime (Nihon Anime)". |
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rsc-pl said: It's not only in the West. In Asia, we call Japanese animation (specifically 2D cartoons) as anime. I assume only Japanese people use anime for animation as a whole. Anime = Japanese animation. End of topic. It was called like this in the West for decades and there's no valid reason to change the meaning of this word. Chinese and Korean animation are not anime too. It's not just visual style. It's a whole culture, voice acting, writing/direction style etc. |
| "Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
| Pacific Rim: The Black, pretty clearly anime inspired. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
| Only japanese, chinese and esp korean is trash. worst garbage, no place for it on mal. and a hard no to avtar lab. Yuu_Kanzaki said: trueIt's not only in the West. In Asia, we call Japanese animation (specifically 2D cartoons) as anime. I assume only Japanese people use anime for animation as a whole. |
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