Summertime Render Episode 25 Discussion

godavid10 said:
First of all, I absolutely hate the chapter counter, which now seems to rate it as it increases, and I inadvertently gave it a 3 when I was going to give it a 5.

Second, one of the best animes out there has ended.

I have only found 2 errors (or at least create controversy):

If Haine and Shide didn't kill Shinpei's parents, why did he end up in Ushio's family? If Shinpei didn't know Hizuru, how did he meet his brother Ryunosuke to make it look like he knew him at the bar?

The first doubt can be resolved in the sense that if it wasn't Haine or Shide, they died at that moment of something else (drowning in the sea?), but they don't make it clear and it leads to a terrible plot hole. In any case, as I said, there may be a way out, it is not something that you look at how you look at it, there is no way out.

The second question may be because Ryunosuke stayed on the island and met Shinpei before going to Tokyo.

In short, every living being should see this work of art. I'm going to try to figure out how to repair this sentimental void.

Boobsftw said:

Say I give the first ep a 10 and all other eps a 1, the overall score would be 1, do the math

commonxreaction said:
Shinpei and Ushio on the beach, the first time, was a pretty nice scene.

All-in-all, it was a happy ending. My main gripe is that, basically, all the events of the entire series are forgotten and so all that character development is essentially wasted. Nothing that happened really mattered. So, it just felt like a little bit of an unsatisfying conclusion. Either way, I'll probably check out the manga at some point.

Sumtiren said:


Shinpei's parents are alive, he texted them and he's not with the kofune family anymore but are still in close contact with them.

Boobsftw said:

Say I give the first ep a 10 and all other eps a 1, the overall score would be 1, do the math

k0rvus said:
In that case, sure. I don't think Summertime Rendering is an example of that, though. And why are you watching a 25 ep series if every episode continues to be a 1 anyways?

icefreezer7 said:

Inconsistency 1: Shinpei's parents are clearly alive in this timeline, this would invariably change Shinpeij's relationships (more or less) on the island, but definitely not be the same.
Inconsistency 2: Nagumo's never meets haine (shadow). If all the events in history are different, why would Nagumo even be on the boat? Why did it have to be that year that she go back to the island?

icefreezer7 said:
I have never replied to someone on here before, so I'm replying to Sumtiren.
No I don't like the ending, but I did love the anime. I don't think I missed anything in the show.

Had the story only changed the events after shinpei landed at hitogashima, their would not be any inconsistencies in the plot. Unfortunately, the anime chose to place Shinpei within a new timeline. This not only changes every event for Shinpei, but every single character living or dead for the past few centuries. This is incredibly poor writing as it is less believable that Shinpei would be put back to the beginning of the loop as if nothing has changed with the only difference being the non-existence of the shadows and hiruko.

By the way, you are assuming the story has to do with a loop, when its shown that it has was not your typical loop or time-travel. Every time Shinpei died he did not go back to the same exact point in time as his last loop. Obviously, not infinite and would continue had the shadows let him or if he ran (but we will not know, I guess =) )

Inconsistency 1: Shinpei's parents are clearly alive in this timeline, this would invariably change Shinpeij's relationships (more or less) on the island, but definitely not be the same.
Inconsistency 2: Nagumo's never meets haine (shadow). If all the events in history are different, why would Nagumo even be on the boat? Why did it have to be that year that she go back to the island?
Inconsistency 3: Nagumo's brother never dies, Since Ryunosuke never dies, then what is the reason for choosing her brother's name as her author name (i'm not sure what the name is called).

Sumtiren said:


Here you are again, and now I understand why you don't like it that much. You really didn't understand what happened. The purpose of Hizuru's death is to move forward and end hiruko. And they were able to fulfill her death's purpose so it didn't lose its weight. Everybody is alive as they were able to erase the existence of hiruko from the very beginning, thus, a butterfly effect happened and changes were seen in the present. No one died as shadows didn't exist anymore. It's completely logical.

Spicelit said:
“Here you are again” I could say the same. Still doesn’t subtract the fact that it felt cheap. I don’t care how much “logic” you throw at me, it’s not going to change my opinion.

Also, that’s not the only problem I have with this anime. The characters are bland, they’re not that entertaining to watch. Almost everybody except for Ushio, Shinpei and arguably Hizuru don’t have a personality.

It’s a decent anime don’t get me wrong, but you should just accept that you and I have a different view of this show.

Sumtiren said:


How would it be cheap if it was logical. But well, can't really change a person's ability to understand. And of course those three would have the focus since they're the main characters. They're personality would stand out more.

But what we are talking here is the final episode and how you think hizuru's death lose its weight which is not the case at all. I only tried to explain to you how the ending make sense. You don't really need to like the anime, but a constructive criticism would've been much better than saying that it was cheap which doesn't make sense at all.

amagirinomikoto said:
good episode & satisfying close to the show, but i was expecting there to be more (more of what exactly, i don't know). felt like a typical fairy tale ending where everyone lives happily ever after. not that i have a problem with the ending, i like a happy ending. it just fellllt like something was missing?

kinda crazy to see karikiri as an old man. especially nice to see ryuu grown up and with his own family :)

this series would make a good visual novel, i'd love to see multiple endings as well

NTgamer007 said:
Since shadows never existed, wouldn’t Shinpei’s parents still be alive now, or am I missing something?