| I see reviews of people who have only watched 3 or so episodes of an anime and personally don't think they can form an opinion of a show completely without having finished it, I personally only write a review on a show I've finished, therefore I would like to know everyone's take on this |
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| I kinda agree with you - it's certainly best to finish a show before judging it. However if you drop a show it might also be interesting for others to know why. So there is a good argument to be made for both sides.... |
| Yeah these early ratings usually come from people who just want to be first so they get a lot of upvotes while the anime is still airing and end up at the top of the review list later. MAL should honestly just disable reviews while it's still airing (except long running anime) because there comes nothing good from it. |
| Ecchi harems and slice of life shows feel like fair game for these reviews. Maybe after 4-5 eps? |
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ChouunShiryuu said: okayy you got me there I totally agree with that.Ecchi harems and slice of life shows feel like fair game for these reviews. Maybe after 4-5 eps? |
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Nekoburger said: Thats fair, i think some people also try to be different by reviewing something poorly even though that might not be the case. I kinda agree with you - it's certainly best to finish a show before judging it. However if you drop a show it might also be interesting for others to know why. So there is a good argument to be made for both sides.... |
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| As the name says, they are "preliminary reviews". They're fine as long as the show is airing, then they should be replaced. What bugs me about the whole idea that "you can't judge without completing it" is that, on the contrary, if I force myself to watch something I'm not liking I'll just hate it even more. 300 mins of boredom are worse than 24/48 mins of boredom, it should be obvious. |
atxt said: yep i definitely agree with that one. Yeah these early ratings usually come from people who just want to be first so they get a lot of upvotes while the anime is still airing and end up at the top of the review list later. MAL should honestly just disable reviews while it's still airing (except long running anime) because there comes nothing good from it. |
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| Technically speaking it's really unfair doing so no matter how long/short the anime is coz you don't know how much the next few eps or even minutes of the whole runtime left could change how you view it entirely. atxt said: these too.Yeah these early ratings usually come from people who just want to be first so they get a lot of upvotes while the anime is still airing and end up at the top of the review list later. MAL should honestly just disable reviews while it's still airing (except long running anime) because there comes nothing good from it. |
Nirinbo said: I think reviews can go both ways, what about someone who's rating something better than it actually is when they have only watched a few episodes, won't this give people the wrong impression...or is it all in the end just to bring more views in for the show?? whether people think positively or negatively about it.As the name says, they are "preliminary reviews". They're fine as long as the show is airing, then they should be replaced. What bugs me about the whole idea that "you can't judge without completing it" is that, on the contrary, if I force myself to watch something I'm not liking I'll just hate it even more. 300 mins of boredom are worse than 24/48 mins of boredom, it should be obvious. |
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| Mal should stop give any preliminary review from now so any statement from them can be decided if true or false by other people that complete related anime |
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| I'd say it would depend on circumstances with the title in question. Titles with short runs (say any TV anime that's 10-13 episodes for example) shouldn't be reviewed incomplete as it doesn't give you enough of a perspective of how the series will go over the long-term, especially with titles that span over multiple split seasons. On the other hand, I'd say long-running titles with a rather long episode count (50+ episodes and any of the shounen long-runners for example) are fair game if you've seen enough episodes since you get enough of an idea by the end of one of their story arcs if the series will be worth your time or not. Unless you like the series enough in question, I'd call it insane to suggest "wait until you complete it" if the series gets too long to the point where you wouldn't have the time or patience to watch the full title, especially with titles like Bleach and Naruto Shippuden that stretch for hundreds of episodes at a time. |
ggultra2764 said: yes I do agree I would never expect someone to finish say Bleach to its entirety just to review it, and I may have worded my question wrongly by not specifying an anime's length and how that may contribute. It's more focused on shorter 10-25 or so episode animes I guess.I'd say it would depend on circumstances with the title in question. Titles with short runs (say any TV anime that's 10-13 episodes for example) shouldn't be reviewed incomplete as it doesn't give you enough of a perspective of how the series will go over the long-term, especially with titles that span over multiple split seasons. On the other hand, I'd say long-running titles with a rather long episode count (50+ episodes and any of the shounen long-runners for example) are fair game if you've seen enough episodes since you get enough of an idea by the end of one of their story arcs if the series will be worth your time or not. Unless you like the series enough in question, I'd call it insane to suggest "wait until you complete it" if the series gets too long to the point where you wouldn't have the time or patience to watch the full title, especially with titles like Bleach and Naruto Shippuden that stretch for hundreds of episodes at a time. |
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melodyily said: I think reviews can go both ways, what about someone who's rating something better than it actually is when they have only watched a few episodes, won't this give people the wrong impression...or is it all in the end just to bring more views in for the show?? whether people think positively or negatively about it. Well, a positive preliminary review is only evaluating the first few episodes, how the anime will turn out in the end is irrelevant. I mean, no one can predict the future. What I pointed out is that negative preliminary reviews are often deemed unfair. |
Nirinbo said: I guess what I'm trying to get at is how will someones review influence others, I would imagine most people base what they are going to watch next on the score/reviews and I can confirm I mainly do the same...although I have found both in watching anime and even reading manhwa's and such that one single negative review can dissuade me from watching a show, etc. so this is how I find myself actually trying to stay away from the reviews a bit more so that I can form my own opinion and not hop on someone else's coat tail of negativity melodyily said: I think reviews can go both ways, what about someone who's rating something better than it actually is when they have only watched a few episodes, won't this give people the wrong impression...or is it all in the end just to bring more views in for the show?? whether people think positively or negatively about it. Well, a positive preliminary review is only evaluating the first few episodes, how the anime will turn out, in the end, is irrelevant. I mean, no one can predict the future. What I pointed out is that negative preliminary reviews are often deemed unfair. |
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DrBalls said: haha okay then, you do you I guess...Tbh, a lot of shows aren't worth finishing. If a show has a terrible start, writing a bad review about it feels fair at times. |
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| how do people even review an anime without finishing it lol |
MizuDLuffy said: your profile....I'm dying lmfaooohow do people even review an anime without finishing it lol |
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| Depends on the anime. Plot-driven anime are harder to predict, but most romances usually barely have a plot and are highly predictable in their progression. If it's plot-driven you can give a first impression with the "review", maybe point out some flaws with the premise or talk about the directing, animation, music, etc. Also, the first 3 episodes should be more than enough to judge if a show is worth continuing or not. Like, if all these episodes suck ass, then why continue? It's certainly unlikely that the director wanted to make the first impression of the show terrible, right? Logically, the first few episodes are the ones that have the most effort poured into them, among the last few. |
MizunoWaveRiderMay 23, 2022 3:51 AM
melodyily said: Nirinbo said: I guess what I'm trying to get at is how will someones review influence others, I would imagine most people base what they are going to watch next on the score/reviews and I can confirm I mainly do the same...although I have found both in watching anime and even reading manhwa's and such that one single negative review can dissuade me from watching a show, etc. so this is how I find myself actually trying to stay away from the reviews a bit more so that I can form my own opinion and not hop on someone else's coat tail of negativity Well, a positive preliminary review is only evaluating the first few episodes, how the anime will turn out, in the end, is irrelevant. I mean, no one can predict the future. What I pointed out is that negative preliminary reviews are often deemed unfair. Makes sense, since everything is bound to have negative reviews, except some very unpopular stuff. You couldn't watch anything if any negative review turned you off. |
MizunoWaveRider said: I 100% agree that 3 or so episodes is plenty to determine whether you want to carry on with an anime or not but not entirely that it is logical to write a 'review' based on your limited knowledge of the show.Depends on the anime. Plot-driven anime are harder to predict, but most romances usually barely have a plot and are highly predictable in their progression. If it's plot-driven you can give a first impression with the "review", maybe point out some flaws with the premise or talk about the directing, animation, music, etc. Also, the first 3 episodes should be more than enough to judge if a show is worth continuing or not. Like, if all these episodes suck ass, then why continue? It's certainly unlikely that the director wanted to make the first impression of the show terrible, right? Logically, the first few episodes are the ones that have the most effort poured into them, among the last few. |
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| Most people don't make money off of reviewing shows, so there is no point to them watching shows that they found so bad, that they only made it 3 episodes into it. |
| I believe it's always best to finish an anime before judging it fully, since it kinda feels a tad wrong towards the creators, because you never know if it could get better...or worse. |
| Just an avid anime watcher of 20 years, not much else I could say about myself (that I don't want to reveal, of course, just ask if you wanna know more!) "So...look up, face forward, toward your chosen horizon and just...walk on." - Noah, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 |
| I rarely review an Anime before it's done. There are a few exceptions to this rule though, like 'spy X Family'. |
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Gensouori said: Exactly plain and simple. If I've only watched a few episodes of a show and don't like it I just drop it I don't bother writing a review.I believe it's always best to finish an anime before judging it fully, since it kinda feels a tad wrong towards the creators, because you never know if it could get better...or worse. |
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APTminer said: ohhh ofc and I'm hoping that you gave it a positive review...I rarely review an Anime before it's done. There are a few exceptions to this rule though, like 'spy X Family'. |
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| Again, I never understand how people are going to keep saying that "not finishing an anime makes your opinion invalid." The stand is somewhat true, yes, I agree. However, people seem to confuse it for some means of there being redemption somewhere along the lines. As if the quality will change the further down you go. Some anime, this is exactly true, and I tend to stay away from reviewing these anime early due to experience in witnessing the shift in the plot so much so that the quality changes considerably. However some basic anime like Senko-san off the top of my head. You could probably watch an episode and still manage to make the a coherent review. Some anime are ridiculously consistent, and people don't seem to know that. Random shift in quality doesn't happen usually from what I have seen. I can only count things like Death Note, from what I remember. Take this season, you could have probably reviewed everything in a coherent fashion and it would still hold water even if you watched 1 or 2 episodes. The only one that seems to have caught my eye in an apparent huge drop is Shikimori, which I haven't watched too much of myself. Again, if you have been in the medium for long enough, I don't see how this should be strange or big news. It is just understanding the creators. |
melodyily said: APTminer said: ohhh ofc and I'm hoping that you gave it a positive review...I rarely review an Anime before it's done. There are a few exceptions to this rule though, like 'spy X Family'. Yes, I like the Anime very much. And yes, I know you're being sarcastic. |
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NextUniverse said: true I do believe you can probably place how a show is gonna far as it progresses to save you some time watching it but wouldn't you just simply drop it then...Again, I never understand how people are going to keep saying that "not finishing an anime makes your opinion invalid." The stand is somewhat true, yes, I agree. However, people seem to confuse it for some means of there being redemption somewhere along the lines. As if the quality will change the further down you go. Some anime, this is exactly true, and I tend to stay away from reviewing these anime early due to experience in witnessing the shift in the plot so much so that the quality changes considerably. However some basic anime like Senko-san off the top of my head. You could probably watch an episode and still manage to make the a coherent review. Some anime are ridiculously consistent, and people don't seem to know that. Random shift in quality doesn't happen usually from what I have seen. I can only count things like Death Note, from what I remember. Take this season, you could have probably reviewed everything in a coherent fashion and it would still hold water even if you watched 1 or 2 episodes. The only one that seems to have caught my eye in an apparent huge drop is Shikimori, which I haven't watched too much of myself. Again, if you have been in the medium for long enough, I don't see how this should be strange or big news. It is just understanding the creators. |
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APTminer said: I'm really slow... I was just genuinely hoping you actually liked it...melodyily said: ohhh ofc and I'm hoping that you gave it a positive review... Yes, I like the Anime very much. And yes, I know you're being sarcastic. |
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melodyily said: I'm really slow... I was just genuinely hoping you actually liked it... Ahh, okay. My bad. I misread what you wrote, and for that I am sorry. |
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APTminer said: ahah no need to apologies..unless that was sarcasm melodyily said: I'm really slow... I was just genuinely hoping you actually liked it... Ahh, okay. My bad. I misread what you wrote, and for that I am sorry. |
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NextUniverse said: Again, I never understand how people are going to keep saying that "not finishing an anime makes your opinion invalid." The stand is somewhat true, yes, I agree. However, people seem to confuse it for some means of there being redemption somewhere along the lines. As if the quality will change the further down you go. Some anime, this is exactly true, and I tend to stay away from reviewing these anime early due to experience in witnessing the shift in the plot so much so that the quality changes considerably. However some basic anime like Senko-san off the top of my head. You could probably watch an episode and still manage to make the a coherent review. Some anime are ridiculously consistent, and people don't seem to know that. Random shift in quality doesn't happen usually from what I have seen. I can only count things like Death Note, from what I remember. Take this season, you could have probably reviewed everything in a coherent fashion and it would still hold water even if you watched 1 or 2 episodes. The only one that seems to have caught my eye in an apparent huge drop is Shikimori, which I haven't watched too much of myself. Again, if you have been in the medium for long enough, I don't see how this should be strange or big news. It is just understanding the creators. A german literature critic once said: You can spot a bad book immediately just by reading the first page, but you can't do the same for a good book. To determine if it's a good book you have to read further. I think the same is true for anime. |
melodyily said: NextUniverse said: true I do believe you can probably place how a show is gonna far as it progresses to save you some time watching it but wouldn't you just simply drop it then...Again, I never understand how people are going to keep saying that "not finishing an anime makes your opinion invalid." The stand is somewhat true, yes, I agree. However, people seem to confuse it for some means of there being redemption somewhere along the lines. As if the quality will change the further down you go. Some anime, this is exactly true, and I tend to stay away from reviewing these anime early due to experience in witnessing the shift in the plot so much so that the quality changes considerably. However some basic anime like Senko-san off the top of my head. You could probably watch an episode and still manage to make the a coherent review. Some anime are ridiculously consistent, and people don't seem to know that. Random shift in quality doesn't happen usually from what I have seen. I can only count things like Death Note, from what I remember. Take this season, you could have probably reviewed everything in a coherent fashion and it would still hold water even if you watched 1 or 2 episodes. The only one that seems to have caught my eye in an apparent huge drop is Shikimori, which I haven't watched too much of myself. Again, if you have been in the medium for long enough, I don't see how this should be strange or big news. It is just understanding the creators. If that was the case then there would basically be only positive reviews at all times. For their to be negative reviews, you either need to finish the show despite being bad or you need to allow people to reviews shows despite not having finished them. |
| Other than a few exceptions you really must have no idea what you're watching if you can't form an opinion on it by the 4th episode or so |
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melodyily said: ahah no need to apologies..unless that was sarcasm No, I am being genuin about my apology. |
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| I think it's okay, an anime isn't just story and I haven't seen a show that needed more than 3 episodes to show its true colours (actually, 1 episode is more than enough). Just let people talk about what they liked and disliked, you don't have to read. |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
melodyily said: This is about reviewing. Whether you want to drop a show you have an idea of how it will play out is dependent on the individual. I've tried reviewing something after the first episode but MAL changed their rules so I can't do that anymore.true I do believe you can probably place how a show is gonna far as it progresses to save you some time watching it but wouldn't you just simply drop it then... MizunoWaveRider said: I agree. I think you can spot a good book, but it is usually because it doesn't have any quality of a bad book. Some again though, can be good until they aren't.A german literature critic once said: You can spot a bad book immediately just by reading the first page, but you can't do the same for a good book. To determine if it's a good book you have to read further. I think the same is true for anime. |
melodyily said: Lemme get this straight: the second the last ending begins your brain suddenly starts compiling an opinion? Before that second passed you couldn't form an opinion, you were 100% clueless; and after that second everything changes kinda like when the fire nation attacks?personally don't think they can form an opinion of a show completely without having finished it I'd venture to say that even if you watched a show from start to finish your opinion wouldn't be complete because there certainly are aspects you're negletcing, the only difference between that and a provisional review is that the provisional neglects only what has yet to be shown. Besides, sometimes people just lose interest so for them the show is as good as over. The show failed them, and they provide their reasons. It's not their fault, it's the show's fault. |
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Phosphophyllita said: true true the platforms there for a reason I guess.I think it's okay, an anime isn't just story and I haven't seen a show that needed more than 3 episodes to show its true colours (actually, 1 episode is more than enough). Just let people talk about what they liked and disliked, you don't have to read. |
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| i never said they were 100% clueless, they may be able to form an opinion ofc they can they're people ffs but it wont be entirely accurate if they have only watched the first episode or so is it really necessary to write a review simply rate it /drop it and move on how can they write a whole paragraph reviewing an entire show after only watching an episode or 2... |
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NextUniverse said: yeh I agree, something can easily go downhill therefore changing your opinionmelodyily said: This is about reviewing. Whether you want to drop a show you have an idea of how it will play out is dependent on the individual. I've tried reviewing something after the first episode but MAL changed their rules so I can't do that anymore.true I do believe you can probably place how a show is gonna far as it progresses to save you some time watching it but wouldn't you just simply drop it then... MizunoWaveRider said: I agree. I think you can spot a good book, but it is usually because it doesn't have any quality of a bad book. Some again though, can be good until they aren't.A german literature critic once said: You can spot a bad book immediately just by reading the first page, but you can't do the same for a good book. To determine if it's a good book you have to read further. I think the same is true for anime. |
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APTminer said: ahaha all good, I'm not so patiently waiting for the nxt episode!!!melodyily said: ahah no need to apologies..unless that was sarcasm No, I am being genuin about my apology. |
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melodyily said: I don't remember for certain if MAL changed this rule, but I don't think the system allows you to write a review before you've watched the 3rd or 4th episode. That's good enough for me tbh, even if a show changes completely in the last few episodes what are the chances, and why would anyone want to watch everything to find out?it wont be entirely accurate if they have only watched the first episode or so is it really necessary to write a review simply rate it /drop it and move on how can they write a whole paragraph reviewing an entire show after only watch an episode or 2... Besides, no review is ever going to be accurate. |
RentNoGirlfriend said: exactly in the end all that matters to the person is there own opinion whether it accurate or notmelodyily said: I don't remember for certain if MAL changed this rule, but I don't think the system allows you to write a review before you've watched the 3rd or 4th episode. That's good enough for me tbh, even if a show changes completely in the last few episodes what are the chances, and why would anyone want to watch everything to find out?it wont be entirely accurate if they have only watched the first episode or so is it really necessary to write a review simply rate it /drop it and move on how can they write a whole paragraph reviewing an entire show after only watch an episode or 2... Besides, no review is ever going to be accurate. |
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| Of course you can form an opinion after only 3 episodes. Doesn't mean you'll know for sure if it's even valid though. |
ScionOfCyan said: yes that is true and I think most people are able to tell good from bad pretty quickly I don't even know how I could go about writing a helpful review after 1-3 episodes, so I think I pretty much agree with you there. However I can think of a couple I have watched where it started out pretty strong and then seriously lost a lot of quality when it got into the middle third of the episodes. When this happens and it's so bad that it makes the series unwatchable for the viewer I think there will be more than enough to talk about for a helpful review, often by comparing the potential and the promise to the disappointing result. |
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