Does oda did not thought of haki in the beginning?

May 8, 2022 10:03 AM

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If oda had already thought haki during pre timeskip, how come crocodile who is a shichibukai don't have haki? Or even the cp9?

May 8, 2022 10:07 AM

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cp9 do have haki bro, keep up.

also, be thankful oda is not araki (if you don't know what that means then you're not weeb enough)

also also, who gives a shit. enjoy the story for what it is not for who the writer is or what he thinks.

May 8, 2022 10:17 AM

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just because Croc is a shichibukai , doesnt mean he knows how to use haki , at least that's what i believe

look at Buggy , he's literally an ex-Roger pirates crew , his captain is a damn Advanced CoC user

and shanks , also grew up to be a super powerful Haki user

but Buggy ? i dont think he even know to to use basic Armament lol

i mean i understand ur confusion tho , cuz yeah its kinda weird having Crocodile , a well known pirate , with no Armament haki

but i guess maybe there ARE some people that dont know how to use Armament Haki

we never knew , maybe Croc is more into Observation Haki ? Or maybe he's just a noob who relies on his DF power

Haki is like an optional power-up lol

Haki is will power after all , not something that you can learn from textbook

either crocodile is ignorance enough to not even trying to learn Haki

or he's just not interested

or...if you hate my explaination above , take this cope :

Maybe Oda just thought about Haki since the end of pre-timeskip (Sabaody arc) lol

i mean Oda's a human after all lel

One Piece is bad, really

May 8, 2022 10:28 AM

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Jannie7 said:
If oda had already thought haki during pre timeskip, how come crocodile who is a shichibukai don't have haki? Or even the cp9?

simple answer yes oda didn't thought of haki earlier in the series

May 8, 2022 10:36 AM

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i personally don’t think he did because shanks would’ve just used conquerors haki or armament haki on the sea beast that ate his arm

May 8, 2022 10:49 AM

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Well Oda didn't even planned shichibukai from the beginning so I doubt if he planned haki from the very beginning.

May 8, 2022 10:58 AM

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cooper_2006 said:
i personally don’t think he did because shanks would’ve just used conquerors haki or armament haki on the sea beast that ate his arm

He did but that's probably a retcon.

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May 8, 2022 11:10 AM

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He never thought of Haki until the Manga timeskip/2year pause. The story was originally going to be ~5years but it turned out different and many new characters and storylines were established (examples: Mrs wednesday as Queen Vivi, worst generation members especially Law,…). Haki was just a solution to get Luffy to learn new abilities and grow in terms of strength. So if you are a attentive reader/watcher you could theorize about the story ignoring haki abilities, since those mainly exist for powerful fights and ”powerleveling“

May 8, 2022 11:10 AM

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SlimeLordOfRats said:

Jannie7 said:
If oda had already thought haki during pre timeskip, how come crocodile who is a shichibukai don't have haki? Or even the cp9?

simple answer yes oda didn't thought of haki earlier in the series

mantra in skypiea be like 🗿

May 8, 2022 11:11 AM

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SlimeLordOfRats said:

Jannie7 said:
If oda had already thought haki during pre timeskip, how come crocodile who is a shichibukai don't have haki? Or even the cp9?

simple answer yes oda didn't thought of haki earlier in the series

mantra in skypiea be like 🗿

May 8, 2022 11:13 AM

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Fansofeverything said:
just because Croc is a shichibukai , doesnt mean he knows how to use haki , at least that's what i believe

look at Buggy , he's literally an ex-Roger pirates crew , his captain is a damn Advanced CoC user

and shanks , also grew up to be a super powerful Haki user

but Buggy ? i dont think he even know to to use basic Armament lol

i mean i understand ur confusion tho , cuz yeah its kinda weird having Crocodile , a well known pirate , with no Armament haki

but i guess maybe there ARE some people that dont know how to use Armament Haki

we never knew , maybe Croc is more into Observation Haki ? Or maybe he's just a noob who relies on his DF power

Haki is like an optional power-up lol

Haki is will power after all , not something that you can learn from textbook

either crocodile is ignorance enough to not even trying to learn Haki

or he's just not interested

or...if you hate my explaination above , take this cope :

Maybe Oda just thought about Haki since the end of pre-timeskip (Sabaody arc) lol

i mean Oda's a human after all lel

The last statement is true but he tries to make his way around Overpowered abilities that you could explain from character to character. (Like OpOp no mi, Mingos indestructable birdcage,…)

May 8, 2022 11:18 AM

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TheFounder131 said:
Well Oda didn't even planned shichibukai from the beginning so I doubt if he planned haki from the very beginning.

That bro just made everything up on the get go XD haha. Mrs wednesday became princess Vivi, Sabo just

again, 7 shichibukai bc 7 sounds nice XD, worst generation bc competition is important (except Kid that guy was planned), buggy from nobody to Rogers member/Shanks friend/shichibukai XD/…,… I love that mans talent

Fun fact: Sasuke also originally only should’ve been a rival of Naruto, not a big shot

May 8, 2022 11:55 AM

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SlimeLordOfRats said:

Jannie7 said:
If oda had already thought haki during pre timeskip, how come crocodile who is a shichibukai don't have haki? Or even the cp9?

simple answer yes oda didn't thought of haki earlier in the series

But shanks used haki in the beginning of the anime when he saved Luffy from drowning and scared away the sea monster

May 8, 2022 12:14 PM

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He did they were using observation haki on skypiea

May 8, 2022 12:20 PM

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kushakashi said:
cp9 do have haki bro, keep up.

also, be thankful oda is not araki (if you don't know what that means then you're not weeb enough)

also also, who gives a shit. enjoy the story for what it is not for who the writer is or what he thinks.

You sound like a really annoying person

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May 8, 2022 12:42 PM

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Haki was not a fully developed idea until later in the story. CP9 did not really use haki, but Shanks did use a version of it on a monster early on. Conquers haki was made 1st. 2nd was observation haki in Skypea. 3rd was the armament haki.

Armament haki was likely made to make some logia users beatable other than using sea prism stones.

May 8, 2022 12:55 PM

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Shanks uses Haki to save Luffy and
Secondly
Watch episode 316 where he uses conquerers Haki on whitebeard's crews.
There if you listen carefully Japanese audio,
Whitebeard clearly mentioned that Shanks has a strong Haki and it was also mentioned by his crewmates.

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May 8, 2022 1:00 PM

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cooper_2006 said:
i personally don’t think he did because shanks would’ve just used conquerors haki or armament haki on the sea beast that ate his arm

he does though. rewatch the clip, he uses haki to scare the monster away. he saved Luffy mid-bite and using haki before grabbing Luffy could have killed our protag.

May 8, 2022 1:02 PM

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shanks uses it in one of the first episodes to save Luffy after losing his arm... have you all really forgotten about that?

May 8, 2022 1:45 PM

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He apparently thought of Haki very early in the story, but it seems as if he originally intended for it to be a very rare ability. Then post-timeskip shenanigans happened and basically every named character can use Haki to some extent nowadays.

May 8, 2022 2:17 PM

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Probably not.
He's just too good adding new elements at the story.

May 8, 2022 2:30 PM

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shanks used Hali on the sea monster that ate his arm, he let the monster take his arm as a offering to a good future of luffy as a pirate

May 8, 2022 3:17 PM

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but thats the thing, i dont think oda planned haki in pre timeskip. i guess the close to haki then was shanks making the sea creature scared flinched with his eyes in those early times (presumably in episode 4 or so). but of course, we didnt know what haki was then, since it wasnt properly introduced in the story just yet.

May 8, 2022 3:51 PM

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Shanks literally used conquerors haki in the beginning to scare off the sea king. Also Ace uses it in alabasta to detect 2 people and a bird (or something like that). Haki is there but not super in your face so perhaps crocodile had it

May 8, 2022 6:11 PM

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Blackbeard was the first person to mention Haki during his first encounter with Luffy, but I guess the implications weren’t met just yet

May 8, 2022 6:24 PM

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Shanks used CoC haki at the beginning of the show to scare away the sea king. Plus skypia’s mantra..

May 8, 2022 9:03 PM

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MR-GOD said:

You sound like a really annoying person

thanks, thats the nicest thing anyone said to me today (maybe cuz i just woke up but still)

May 8, 2022 9:22 PM

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shanks used haoshoku haki to scare the sea monster away in the 1st episode so oda pretty much did thought of haki in start

May 9, 2022 1:51 AM

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Haki started getting an explanation around Skypiea. If I remember correctly. Which is fairly early.

It's just like my Japanese anime's

May 9, 2022 5:36 AM

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No he didn't.

He had similar ideas from the start but not 100% Haki, how it works, etc.

Shanks did use Haki but Oda (the author) only confirmed it waay later. And Mantra from Skypia IS Haki. It's CoO (Observation Haki).

It was also confirmed about a year or two ago that the CP agents (Lucci, Kaku, etc.) learnt Haki in the timeskip. And the Rokushiki (6 styles/powers) is a similar power to Haki. Like a basis.

Edit: And Crocodile (or Moria)?..

Simply.

They appeared to early in the story. xD

It's not confirmed but a lot of fans think in in theory that both of them actually HAD Haki but lost it after after failures that happend in their lives.

Since Haki IS a manifestation of will.

Their will has been broken. (in Moria's case after Kaido killed all his former crewmates/friends)

That's why he also became lazy.

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May 9, 2022 5:47 AM

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Jannie7 said:
If oda had already thought haki during pre timeskip, how come crocodile who is a shichibukai don't have haki? Or even the cp9?

Shanks saves Luffy from the sea monster by using his conquer’s haki

May 9, 2022 1:24 PM

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Oda introduced it on Amazon lily tho, and that's pre time skip

May 10, 2022 1:18 PM

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cooper_2006 said:
i personally don’t think he did because shanks would’ve just used conquerors haki or armament haki on the sea beast that ate his arm

i thought he used conquerors there

May 11, 2022 4:24 AM

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SlimeLordOfRats said:

Jannie7 said:
If oda had already thought haki during pre timeskip, how come crocodile who is a shichibukai don't have haki? Or even the cp9?

simple answer yes oda didn't thought of haki earlier in the series

no bro .. only in ch 1 or ep 4 we see shanks using conquerors haki so it was already planned

May 11, 2022 4:31 AM

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first watch one piece properly then make post like this

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May 11, 2022 4:32 AM

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No he didn't use haki go read the ch 1 cuz I just read it and there was no use of haki he just said get lost to the sea monster

May 11, 2022 4:32 AM

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Palash_prajapati said:

SlimeLordOfRats said:

simple answer yes oda didn't thought of haki earlier in the series

no bro .. only in ch 1 or ep 4 we see shanks using conquerors haki so it was already planned

No he didn't use haki go read the ch 1 cuz I just read it and there was no use of haki he just said get lost to the sea monster

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