Bleach Tybw anime Doomed ?

Iloveggs said:
The Bleach Director tomohisa taguchi is working in 3 projects as a Director which is Bleach Tybw Studio Pierrot , Natsu e no Tunnel, Sayonara no Deguchi (Movie) studio Clamp and Digimon Shinsaku Eiga wa 02 (Movie) Toei animation.

Pierrot studio is more focused on Boruto even though it’s still outsourced , Black clover had to face the Production problems and lack of animator’s when it was airing at the same time with boruto. Black clover series director Yoshihara was jealous due to many in-house talented animator’s and freelancers were provided to Boruto and neglected giving more attention towards BC production . Series director tweeted his feelings on boruto ep 65 :-https://twitter.com/o_ihs_oy/status/1019910001836507136?s=21&t=Py7vC4GwW6eIC-Be6O1_nQ
Bleach can face the same fate as BC so it’s better to wish it won’t turn out like that .

Speaking about Bleach airing this falls is also a concern cause Pierrot is doing 3 projects at the same time for falls which is Bleach Tybw , Boruto and Cool Doji Danshi.
Moreover studio Pierrot staffs are also facing overworking problems
https://twitter.com/thearcgod_15/status/1519272419403665409?s=21&t=Py7vC4GwW6eIC-Be6O1_nQ

U would imagine that Bleach would be the focus at the moment cos look at Boruto animation? Looks like a fan animation

deg said:
anime sequels usually have bad animation (or less quality than the first season) anyway even Attack on Titan is a victim of that fact

Iloveggs said:


Mmm attack on Titan s4 part 2 quality was much better than s4 part 1 .

its a split cour though obviously more time between cours can help but even then its not much quality leap compared to earlier seasons overall

is Bleach gonna have the same split cours treatment? how many Part 1, 2, 3, etc for the Final Season of Bleach?

Iloveggs said:
@deg


Split cours not always determines the quality increase , split cour is always done due to production problems. For ex re zero s2 part 2 , Aot s3 part many off model designs and cgi colossal ofc .
I won’t say they had more time infact they were still in a tight schedule for Aot .
Studio change and different character designers will lead to difference in quality.


Even I don’t know .

Iloveggs said:
The Bleach Director tomohisa taguchi is working in 3 projects as a Director which is Bleach Tybw Studio Pierrot , Natsu e no Tunnel, Sayonara no Deguchi (Movie) studio Clamp and Digimon Shinsaku Eiga wa 02 (Movie) Toei animation.

Pierrot studio is more focused on Boruto even though it’s still outsourced , Black clover had to face the Production problems and lack of animator’s when it was airing at the same time with boruto. Black clover series director Yoshihara was jealous due to many in-house talented animator’s and freelancers were provided to Boruto and neglected giving more attention towards BC production . Series director tweeted his feelings on boruto ep 65 :-https://twitter.com/o_ihs_oy/status/1019910001836507136?s=21&t=Py7vC4GwW6eIC-Be6O1_nQ
Bleach can face the same fate as BC so it’s better to wish it won’t turn out like that .

Speaking about Bleach airing this falls is also a concern cause Pierrot is doing 3 projects at the same time for falls which is Bleach Tybw , Boruto and Cool Doji Danshi.
Moreover studio Pierrot staffs are also facing overworking problems
https://twitter.com/thearcgod_15/status/1519272419403665409?s=21&t=Py7vC4GwW6eIC-Be6O1_nQ

Galuwatchespeak said:
Just look at the trailer it looks fine

Noahed96 said:
I never understand why people worry about this kind of stuff. Most likely bleach is their top priority so relax until it comes out or we get another trailer. Don’t make everything out to be some catastrophic news.

ickoriss said:

This.

It all feels like pointless speculation from someone with little to no understanding of how shows are produced.

Iloveggs said:


That’s all are facts based on sources not something subjective and the way you are saying I’m speculating it just cracks me hard how dumb you are .

The trailer is pre animated and if you think that’s your original bleach anime quality will look like then get ready for the face palm when the actual show presents you average quality.

A baseless Mal user opinion I can’t even expect you to understand the production process but I can assure I have more knowledge than you about how production works .

The director is literally working in 3 projects at the same time which will sure lead to many episode outsourcing and there is a real example Komi can’t communicate s2 and summertime rendering director and Anime producer are same infact Studio OLM barely doing any in-house episode production for both shows but it’s completely outsourced to other studios , but the quality is still good thanks to anime producer of OLM who is recruiting talented freelancers.
Hence the Main thing is who is Animation producer for Bleach(who recruits talented staffs for that series) but that’s unlikely when Pierrot all talented in-house and freelance are involved in Boruto .
Recently we can see Pierrot employees overworking complaints .

Does your dad work at Pierrot too?

Iloveggs said:
@ickoriss

Nah your mom gave me the sources . Jk
I basically follow many animator’s acc in the industry and so I know things . The production problems in recent anime industry is as clear as crystal if you dig deep into the animation industry.

ItzElite said:
It has had a lot of production time (even longer than chainsaw man probably) so I'm sure it's going to be good

ickoriss said:
I understand the concern and you've probably got more insight than the average fan, but you just see a lot of these posts that are very doom and gloom sounding that either turn out to be exaggerated or nothing. I don't think we can really know more until there's more official info released.

Iloveggs said:


I’m not forcing you to believe these sources or exaggerated it , I just shared the information I got . who knows it can turn out good but I’m in neutral side .

Noahed96 said:
I never understand why people worry about this kind of stuff. Most likely bleach is their top priority so relax until it comes out or we get another trailer. Don’t make everything out to be some catastrophic news.

Iloveggs said:

The difference is one seasonal anime and another is long running anime .
The chainsawman had the longest pre production for a seasonal anime and the actual production started this January for csm .
https://twitter.com/jaymeshanson/status/1511042669681782785?s=21&t=qBWhcFrkSzx2a7RIe5Pgxg
Bleach production is also started at the same time as chainsawman this January. There will be whole lot of outsourcing to other studios instead of Pierrot doing all episodes in-house production.
I may be wrong but it’s a tight schedule

neffst3r said:
What the hell are you talking about? Bleach pre-production started in 2020
Actual animation production started in January, but they've been planning script and series composition for 2 years at least.

Komla_6 said:
I'm going to assume that bleach will be released on the 6th of October so rn that gives a scape of 6/5 months to have a few episodes done. imma assume that the hype based on trailer views mal rankings and other variables will have bleach as a top priority but den again there's only so much a director can do.

MrBluePantsArt said:


10 months dude. Production started in January (at least) and it has had over a year/year and a half of pre-production. By the way, most of those projects the director Taguchi is doing are already in post-production (close to finished) I think, though I could be wrong here. I believe AT LEAST 1 of his movies is basically done.

MEANWHILE... Boruto had around 4-5 months of production before it aired and Black Clover 3 months.
Generally in 20 weeks the production time catches up to them, so you can imagine why Black Clover specially took a nose dive in quality so early on and Boruto only truly had like 2 handfuls of episodes with good animation to this day.

Having 10 months for Bleach is a good enough buffer for it to finish, even if they have to outsource a handful of episodes.
Everything has been planned already during their extensive pre-production and they can better manage their resources, 'cause the manga is finished.
It's not like Black Clover which has an ongoing manga and where TV Tokyo keeps ordering new episodes and fucking up that team's schedule, making them extend their pre-production phase indefinitely. Similar situation with Boruto. Not to mention they have to waste their time making filler as to not catch up with the manga - Bleach won't have this problem, the manga is done.

Something else worth mentioning: Taguchi and Kudo have stated that they are not in a rush, they're taking their time and their schedule is good. Shueisha has also boasted more than once about how talented the staff working on Bleach TYBW is and how it's a "super suitable development". Might just be a marketing strat, but you don't see those compliments when it comes to their other productions...
You also have Noriko Itou confirming to having joined Bleach as an animation director, Takashi Hashimoto as an effects director or key animator and Hiroyuki Yamashita joining in as well, probably as a key animator. Just food for thought...

Obviously, nobody should really expect Chainsaw Man or Demon Slayer quality every single episode, 'cause TYBW is gonna be long running with give or take 75-85 episodes (after they add the extra content Tite Kubo confirmed) while those other shows have 1 cour seasons - only 12 episodes to work on per year.
Either way, and here's the main point to hammer home: It's not even a comparable situation to Black Clover's anime or even Boruto's - it's very much realistic to expect much better for Bleach TYBW than those 2 shows.

10 months dude. Production started in January (at least) and it has had over a year/year and a half of pre-production. By the way, most of those projects the director Taguchi is doing are already in post-production (close to finished) I think, though I could be wrong here. I believe AT LEAST 1 of his movies is basically done.

MEANWHILE... Boruto had around 4-5 months of production before it aired and Black Clover 3 months.
Generally in 20 weeks the production time catches up to them, so you can imagine why Black Clover specially took a nose dive in quality so early on and Boruto only truly had like 2 handfuls of episodes with good animation to this day.

Having 10 months for Bleach is a good enough buffer for it to finish, even if they have to outsource a handful of episodes.
Everything has been planned already during their extensive pre-production and they can better manage their resources, 'cause the manga is finished.
It's not like Black Clover which has an ongoing manga and where TV Tokyo keeps ordering new episodes and fucking up that team's schedule, making them extend their pre-production phase indefinitely. Similar situation with Boruto. Not to mention they have to waste their time making filler as to not catch up with the manga - Bleach won't have this problem, the manga is done.

Something else worth mentioning: Taguchi and Kudo have stated that they are not in a rush, they're taking their time and their schedule is good. Shueisha has also boasted more than once about how talented the staff working on Bleach TYBW is and how it's a "super suitable development". Might just be a marketing strat, but you don't see those compliments when it comes to their other productions...
You also have Noriko Itou confirming to having joined Bleach as an animation director, Takashi Hashimoto as an effects director or key animator and Hiroyuki Yamashita joining in as well, probably as a key animator. Just food for thought...

Iloveggs said:


I’m not forcing you to believe these sources or exaggerated it , I just shared the information I got . who knows it can turn out good but I’m in neutral side .

Iloveggs said:
The Bleach Director tomohisa taguchi is working in 3 projects as a Director which is Bleach Tybw Studio Pierrot , Natsu e no Tunnel, Sayonara no Deguchi (Movie) studio Clamp and Digimon Shinsaku Eiga wa 02 (Movie) Toei animation.

Pierrot studio is more focused on Boruto even though it’s still outsourced , Black clover had to face the Production problems and lack of animator’s when it was airing at the same time with boruto. Black clover series director Yoshihara was jealous due to many in-house talented animator’s and freelancers were provided to Boruto and neglected giving more attention towards BC production . Series director tweeted his feelings on boruto ep 65 :-https://twitter.com/o_ihs_oy/status/1019910001836507136?s=21&t=Py7vC4GwW6eIC-Be6O1_nQ
Bleach can face the same fate as BC so it’s better to wish it won’t turn out like that .

Speaking about Bleach airing this falls is also a concern cause Pierrot is doing 3 projects at the same time for falls which is Bleach Tybw , Boruto and Cool Doji Danshi.
Moreover studio Pierrot staffs are also facing overworking problems
https://twitter.com/thearcgod_15/status/1519272419403665409?s=21&t=Py7vC4GwW6eIC-Be6O1_nQ

A bit late with this one but let me try to break down your points
firstly, this isn't taguchi's first time doing multiple projects, simultaneously, a quick look through his page would've shown you this. Him doing multiple projects doesn't mean any of those projects will have to outsource lmao.

If all 3 projects are from 3 different studios with 3 different sets of staff and 3 different schedules, then the only one dealing with a headache here is taguchi himself. Some he might delegate more work to an assistant director or 2, but that's about it. I

see that you mentioned Summertime rendering/komi situation and I feel as though i should tell you that the situation is different there. For one, Watanabe leading both shows (director for str and chief director for komi) is NOT the problem here (he's been doing this for years). The problem is also not that the same studio is doing both shows simultaneously, the problem is that it's the same team (team KOJIMA) and they clearly aren't built for it.

This brings me to the other point you brought up about doing pierrot doing 3 shows in fall. Different departments/production lines are a thing at studios, especially one like pierrot. Therefore they can work on multiple shows simultaneously and one crashing isn't necessarily the fault of the other (something most anime fans have a hard time believing).

Yes yoshihara was somewhat jealous that boruto was in a more stable position than BC at the time, but there are other factors at play here so lets not act like boruto was just blatantly robbing BC of staff from start to finish. By that logic both akudama drive and osomatsu s3 should've suffered because of boruto in fall 2020 lol.

Which brings me to my third point. What makes you so certain that bleach will be a weekly series? I've seen literally no official confirmation that it'll be this way. Instead, all I'm seeing are assumptions based on the structure of the old anime and the amount of content to be adapted. It could very well be a seasonal anime with 50 eps, with a 6 month break in the middle (like fire force).

Lastly, I'd like to say that the 3-4 months production time thing the other comment was referring to isn't exactly a lie because that's the norm for a lot of long running weekly shows simply because they can create a buffer in no time thanks to a shit ton of outsourcing. Unfortunately a lot of them crumble in not time because of this (2020 Digimon, BC, twinstar exorcists etc). By those standards (and by Pierrot's own for long runners), a 10 month buffer is perfectly reasonable. Can a show still crash with this kind of buffer? Of course, but a show can crash no matter how good the schedule is due to many other factors at play. 10 months for one show isn't the same as 10 months for another. Wonder Egg Priority crashed near the end, but if any random isekai had the schedule WEP had, they'd be done at least 2-3 months before broadcast (assuming nothing goes wrong). So it's wrong to compare bleach to csm's schedule because we don't know how many teams they have in rotation or how ambitious bleach will be. If bleach is going to be weekly, then having 6 inhouse teams in rotation while outsourcing 3-4 eps at a time, then (assuming nothing goes wrong), they'll manage. If it's seasonal then having 4-5 teams in rotation while outsourcing 2-3 eps (yes they'll still outsource) then again, assuming nothing goes horribly wrong, they should be fine.

Directors aren't all the same, yes. Some directors can't handle more than one. Some can do three, but focus on one. Others can do three at once. But saying it's not good objectively is just arbitrary. ''This is the first time he's doing 2 projects in the same season?'' Ok? People have done that before? And with 10 months before Bleach airs, that's plenty of time for him to do justice to both.

Okay, then you'd argue that for a longer running series, 10 months isn't enough; but this isn't true either, necessarily. 6 months would actually suffice, because that's about as long it takes to storyboard, animate, dub and edit a good, if not great cour of episodes from start to finish. When the first cour is midway, the next cour would then start production. This is just one schedule, though. How can you think that Tomohisa doing a movie would somehow grievously affect his work on Bleach when we don't know the details?

You say that you agree that he's the one who might have a hard time, but your initial post talked about the situation between Boruto and Black Clover and the overworked staff. Those situations weren't wholly director-dependent. You're the one whose being inconsistent.

k11chi said:
why are internet warriors pretending like they know anything about animation here?