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Mar 27, 2022 10:39 PM
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I feel as if after the beganing of the rumbling, things are starting to go downhill. Eren has completely disappeared from his own story and other Characters are taking the spot light with very vague motivation if you know where they're coming from.
I mean the moment ever started the rumbling, everything was decided and there isn't anything anyone could do anymore as floch stated in his recent Episode so there isn't kuch of point in rumbling.
Why armin and Mikasa just take back sit and chill? I can understand motivation of rinier and enie (their families live in Marley so) but Armin and Mikasa should be the last people trying to stop eren, I mean what they planning to do after they stop eren, convince whole world edian are human and they aren't dangerous?
Mar 27, 2022 10:53 PM
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Isayama carefully planned everything about Attack on Titan except for how to end it. After the memories episode its only going to be downhill.
Mar 27, 2022 10:57 PM
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Yes, because this series was all about foreshadowing and buildup.
We have reached an absolute peak just before Eren removed the hardening, so it's natural that now everything will be inferior in comparison.
Mar 27, 2022 11:00 PM
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I replied to someone else and I copy pasted it here but this will work.

this is the naive thinking of the fandom that rumbling will definitely save paradis. Just like u told me what will happen after 50 year plan, I will tell u what happens after rumbling.

Paradis gets divided in factions, u did nothing but replaced marley with bigger faction and paradis with smaller and made it even worse than before with eldians killing eldians.

Just like that, Alliance knew this hence 'genocide is bad' and kiyomi also points this out to floch who also agrees. Alliance knew killing billions for such an uncertain future isn't worth even if they have no plan now they need time to make one. Ofc they didnt have any plan cause they thought they will stop rumbling before it reaches marley. But with Marley destroyed many opportunities open up -

They have every titan, they have resources which countries need,they have whole Marley,paradis will advance their tech while other countries rebuild.



Peace talks didnt work before as other countries couldn't oppose marley and paradis had nothing to bargain about thats why the 50 year plan formed. U believe only other countries will develop and overcome rumbling ( which is close to impossible as we have unlimited titans with regeneration ) but even if they overcome it paradis will develop exponentially due to the rare resource they have.

Ofc nothing can go as I have said just now rumbling can save paradis too, stopping it can doom eldia too. What I am trying to say is that nothing is set in stone, nothing is absolute So rumbling = eldia saved and stopping it = doomed is naive thinking.

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Mar 27, 2022 11:07 PM
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Piromysl said:
Yes, because this series was all about foreshadowing and buildup.
We have reached an absolute peak just before Eren removed the hardening, so it's natural that now everything will be inferior in comparison.

I love attack on titan fans for this 🤣
Mar 27, 2022 11:08 PM
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PermanentThesis said:
Piromysl said:
Yes, because this series was all about foreshadowing and buildup.
We have reached an absolute peak just before Eren removed the hardening, so it's natural that now everything will be inferior in comparison.

I love attack on titan fans for this 🤣

I'm not even subtle one, so your point?
Mar 27, 2022 11:22 PM
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Since the beginning, Eren wanted to Destroy anything outside the wall, that was threatening their lives. At first, it was titans. But after they reinstate Shiganshina and read Greesha's past, his goal changes from All the titans to People who caused them this trouble. Roughly meaning Marley. Armin and Mikasa didnt want any such kind of fight. The main reason they both joined the scouts was because they wanted to be with Eren. Mikasa fights to protect Eren and Armin. She doesnt give a half ass shit about the outside world. But now, that Eren has triggered Rumbling and is going on a rampage, She wants to stop him, because he's not being himself. Armin thinks that genocide is wrong. Which in a way is correct.
People outside the wall don't know eldians personally, but call them as devils of the island because of the history Eldia and Marley Shared. Other than that, the people are innocent. The reason for all the trouble that Eldia has faces up till now is because of the Marleyan Millitary, which even Mageth accepts. Their narrow minded hatred towards Eldia has caused the rise of their homeland's destruction, involving innocent people who have nothing to do with it.
The rumbling is a very carefully considered route by the author because it tells us how allies can be enemies and how enemies can be allies and tables can turn just in a blink. There are so many possible situations in a Millitary strategy and things dont go always as planned. Like, sure. 50 years plan was great, but Marley was already developed compared to Eldia. How will they defend against them in the future. Sacrifice Historia and her children for the country's politics. Thats the only way for the 50 year route. Eren didnt like that, so he decided to go on a killing spree to free his people.
Mar 27, 2022 11:23 PM
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If you think Armin and Mikasa should just sit back and enjoy the genocide then you must not have been paying attention
Mar 27, 2022 11:31 PM
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Piromysl said:
PermanentThesis said:

I love attack on titan fans for this 🤣

I'm not even subtle one, so your point?
my point is that I love attack on titan fans, they're a gold mine in comment sections and stuff
Mar 28, 2022 12:33 AM
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Gilgamesh48 said:
I feel as if after the beganing of the rumbling, things are starting to go downhill. Eren has completely disappeared from his own story and other Characters are taking the spot light with very vague motivation if you know where they're coming from.
I mean the moment ever started the rumbling, everything was decided and there isn't anything anyone could do anymore as floch stated in his recent Episode so there isn't kuch of point in rumbling.
Why armin and Mikasa just take back sit and chill? I can understand motivation of rinier and enie (their families live in Marley so) but Armin and Mikasa should be the last people trying to stop eren, I mean what they planning to do after they stop eren, convince whole world edian are human and they aren't dangerous?

My main issue is that they built this alliance too fast:
1. The pie scene is ridiculous, as far as Armin knows Annie could be a treat, so she should have been restrain.
2. Armin suicide attempts during a crisis is the most ideotic thing i've ever seen.
Also he wants to save Falco to gain Gabbi's trust, so she could help them later, which doesn't make sense to me, because, technically Gabby is just a child, and morally questionable, because he basically wants to put 2 children on the front line, against the most powerful army the world has ever seen.
3. Armin plan is basically "let's talk"
ahahahah
Really?! "Yo Eren please stop genocide, that's wrong"
Was really his best friend? Because to me it seems clear that Armin never understood Eren from the start.
4. I'm an anime only, so i don't know what will happen next, but i have the feeling that isayama is setting up Armin and Annie romance, which to be honest is disgusting.
Annie is indirectly responsible for his grandfather's death, she is the cause of death of tons of innocents, she slaughtered 1/3 of the survey Corp in the most brutal ways and she doesn't feel guilty, except for Marco.

Ps. Yeah for me the main problem of the alliance is Armin's writing
Mar 28, 2022 12:34 AM
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Dang, I’ll just keep vibin since I think the show is getting better and better. I don’t think it’s doing bad but to each his own
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Mar 28, 2022 12:41 AM
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Eren = The Rumbling
After the Rumbling = where is Eren? lol
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Mar 28, 2022 12:53 AM
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Nitroade24h said:
If you think Armin and Mikasa should just sit back and enjoy the genocide then you must not have been paying attention

who cares anymore I mean in my opinion they're the ones who declared war so they got what they wanted. war....
Mar 28, 2022 1:08 AM
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I am pretty sure everything was preplanned till ch 123,so it was amazing

after it firstly everything was too rushed, he didn't gave enough screen time to armin,mikasa,jean,connie,hange or Levi to why they want to stop rumbling, it seemed like isayama just wanted to end the story as soon as possible

and nothing seemed as preplanned as it was earlier
Mar 28, 2022 1:10 AM
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JackB001 said:
Gilgamesh48 said:
I feel as if after the beganing of the rumbling, things are starting to go downhill. Eren has completely disappeared from his own story and other Characters are taking the spot light with very vague motivation if you know where they're coming from.
I mean the moment ever started the rumbling, everything was decided and there isn't anything anyone could do anymore as floch stated in his recent Episode so there isn't kuch of point in rumbling.
Why armin and Mikasa just take back sit and chill? I can understand motivation of rinier and enie (their families live in Marley so) but Armin and Mikasa should be the last people trying to stop eren, I mean what they planning to do after they stop eren, convince whole world edian are human and they aren't dangerous?

My main issue is that they built this alliance too fast:
1. The pie scene is ridiculous, as far as Armin knows Annie could be a treat, so she should have been restrain.
2. Armin suicide attempts during a crisis is the most ideotic thing i've ever seen.
Also he wants to save Falco to gain Gabbi's trust, so she could help them later, which doesn't make sense to me, because, technically Gabby is just a child, and morally questionable, because he basically wants to put 2 children on the front line, against the most powerful army the world has ever seen.
3. Armin plan is basically "let's talk"
ahahahah
Really?! "Yo Eren please stop genocide, that's wrong"
Was really his best friend? Because to me it seems clear that Armin never understood Eren from the start.
4. I'm an anime only, so i don't know what will happen next, but i have the feeling that isayama is setting up Armin and Annie romance, which to be honest is disgusting.
Annie is indirectly responsible for his grandfather's death, she is the cause of death of tons of innocents, she slaughtered 1/3 of the survey Corp in the most brutal ways and she doesn't feel guilty, except for Marco.

Ps. Yeah for me the main problem of the alliance is Armin's writing

1. why would Armin see Annie as a threat when its Clear that Annie will help them?
2. Armin has always wanted to settle things by talking, eren wasn't any distant relative who they rarely knew, he was closest to Armin ofc he at least wants to talk with him, ask questions etc.
3. people love reiner cause Reiner regrets doing those things he did. Then people expect Annie to suddenly change. Reiner is the way he is cause he went through a lot of shit, Annie was just in a crystal. in the recent EP she finally got the push she needed and said that she doesn't want to kill each other anymore.
Mar 28, 2022 2:44 AM

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you do actually realize that this is all a dream Eren gave to the characters, right?
there was no plot armor before Eren's speech in Paths but now it is, why? because the alliance wants a miracle, an impossible miracle. You can't fall in love with a murderer like Annie if you're Armin and you can't kill your friends like that if you're Connie, the azumabito whore couldn't ippon seoi a military man like Floch.
What I'm trying to say is that every alliance member died on the island and this is what they saw in the moment of their death.

Long Live Eren and the New Eldian Empire!!!

here is the real ending if you want to check
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Gilgamesh48 said:
I feel as if after the beganing of the rumbling, things are starting to go downhill. Eren has completely disappeared from his own story and other Characters are taking the spot light with very vague motivation if you know where they're coming from.
I mean the moment ever started the rumbling, everything was decided and there isn't anything anyone could do anymore as floch stated in his recent Episode so there isn't kuch of point in rumbling.
Why armin and Mikasa just take back sit and chill? I can understand motivation of rinier and enie (their families live in Marley so) but Armin and Mikasa should be the last people trying to stop eren, I mean what they planning to do after they stop eren, convince whole world edian are human and they aren't dangerous?

Tell me you didn't understand the characters without telling me you didn't understand the characters
Mar 28, 2022 2:48 AM

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From the shift of tone, the pacing and the non sense that comes in the last arc, i kinda believe Isayama changed the ending last second. It was very unplanned compared to the rest of the series
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The "problem" with this season is that, whereas in other seasons there was a gradual build-up to a climax in the final couple of episodes, here the climax i.e. the rumbling ocurred in episode 5. After that it's been mainly an internal struggle of our main characters, and whilst I have thoroughly enjoyed every bit of it, the overall scale has felt somewhat inferior to what we were presented in the first five episodes.

But I completely disagree with those who believe the story has decreased in quality. Everything has felt as a natural progression of Isayama's storytelling. I'm obviously referring to the anime so far. Can't speak about the manga's final chapters.
Mar 28, 2022 3:44 AM
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Those who believe so clearly dont understand any of the characters.
The original government did have a plan, which was a partial rumbling to keep the world scared of them followed by 50 years of development and diplomacy.

The Yeagerists want to genocide everyone not because of rationalism, but because of paranoia about a world they don't understand. The Alliance, however, are different. They know an innocent outside the walls is the same as an innocent inside the walls. Even Eren understands this but the reason he's doing it all is cause he wants freedom. The others have no such desire and would be content just to live their lives.

Yeagerist fan babies can come at me saying that the "Rumbling is the only way", but no its not. There are many ways you can achieve peace for Paradis with much less casualties and the only ones who say otherwise are

A) Paranoid teenage soldiers in the anime who can think of nothing better due to being ignorant and unexperienced

B) Idiots and Neo Nazis on the internet who only deal in absolutes and extremes, who are simply close minded and can't think of a solution that does not conform to their biases.

As the other guy said, even Rumbling isn't an absolute solution. Eldians on their tiny island with hardly any ships would be stuck there and constantly war using the nine titans and since those are highly destructive, they might well end up driving themselves to extinction in the future.


As for the Alliance members of Paradis, they fought all their lives under the banner of protecting humanity from titans and they're not patriotic to any nation or race. Hence they are standing against an unnecessary bloodbath
Mar 28, 2022 3:55 AM

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Armin supporting genocide would be out of character lol not him trying to stop it....anyways
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The "problem" with this season is that, whereas in other seasons there was a gradual build-up to a climax in the final couple of episodes, here the climax i.e. the rumbling ocurred in episode 5. After that it's been mainly an internal struggle of our main characters, and whilst I have thoroughly enjoyed every bit of it, the overall scale has felt somewhat inferior to what we were presented in the first five episodes.

But I completely disagree with those who believe the story has decreased in quality. Everything has felt as a natural progression of Isayama's storytelling. I'm obviously referring to the anime so far. Can't speak about the manga's final chapters.


This is the best take.
Mar 28, 2022 6:13 AM
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Those who believe so clearly dont understand any of the characters.
The original government did have a plan, which was a partial rumbling to keep the world scared of them followed by 50 years of development and diplomacy.

The Yeagerists want to genocide everyone not because of rationalism, but because of paranoia about a world they don't understand. The Alliance, however, are different. They know an innocent outside the walls is the same as an innocent inside the walls. Even Eren understands this but the reason he's doing it all is cause he wants freedom. The others have no such desire and would be content just to live their lives.

Yeagerist fan babies can come at me saying that the "Rumbling is the only way", but no its not. There are many ways you can achieve peace for Paradis with much less casualties and the only ones who say otherwise are

A) Paranoid teenage soldiers in the anime who can think of nothing better due to being ignorant and unexperienced

B) Idiots and Neo Nazis on the internet who only deal in absolutes and extremes, who are simply close minded and can't think of a solution that does not conform to their biases.

As the other guy said, even Rumbling isn't an absolute solution. Eldians on their tiny island with hardly any ships would be stuck there and constantly war using the nine titans and since those are highly destructive, they might well end up driving themselves to extinction in the future.


As for the Alliance members of Paradis, they fought all their lives under the banner of protecting humanity from titans and they're not patriotic to any nation or race. Hence they are standing against an unnecessary bloodbath
Its astonishing how you super idealistic, Nobel peace wannabe's truly paid zero attention to the context of this entire situation lol
Mar 28, 2022 6:28 AM
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Eren = The Rumbling
After the Rumbling = where is Eren? lol
😂😂, literally a useless tread
Mar 28, 2022 6:33 AM
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I've been feeling like it's just getting better and better. I was hoping for years that things would be concluded in certain ways, and things do seem to be heading that way.
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Mar 28, 2022 6:43 AM

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I've been feeling like it's just getting better and better. I was hoping for years that things would be concluded in certain ways, and things do seem to be heading that way.


Oh no who's gonna tell him?
Yesterday, you were the defeated.

What have you become today?

Mar 28, 2022 6:46 AM

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khalil04uzumaki said:
Gilgamesh48 said:
I feel as if after the beganing of the rumbling, things are starting to go downhill. Eren has completely disappeared from his own story and other Characters are taking the spot light with very vague motivation if you know where they're coming from.
I mean the moment ever started the rumbling, everything was decided and there isn't anything anyone could do anymore as floch stated in his recent Episode so there isn't kuch of point in rumbling.
Why armin and Mikasa just take back sit and chill? I can understand motivation of rinier and enie (their families live in Marley so) but Armin and Mikasa should be the last people trying to stop eren, I mean what they planning to do after they stop eren, convince whole world edian are human and they aren't dangerous?

Tell me you didn't understand the characters without telling me you didn't understand the characters


Tell me you're from r/ShingekiNoKyojin without telling me you're from r/ShingekiNoKyojin
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Mar 28, 2022 6:50 AM
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Spektral_Beast said:
khalil04uzumaki said:

Tell me you didn't understand the characters without telling me you didn't understand the characters


Tell me you're from r/ShingekiNoKyojin without telling me you're from r/ShingekiNoKyojin

And what's the r/ShingekiNoKyojin ?
Mar 28, 2022 7:40 AM
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khalil04uzumaki said:
Spektral_Beast said:


Tell me you're from r/ShingekiNoKyojin without telling me you're from r/ShingekiNoKyojin

And what's the r/ShingekiNoKyojin ?

It's a subreddit. Being called a redditor is an insult if you didn't got it.
Mar 28, 2022 7:53 AM
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Nitroade24h said:
If you think Armin and Mikasa should just sit back and enjoy the genocide then you must not have been paying attention

who cares anymore I mean in my opinion they're the ones who declared war so they got what they wanted. war....
Willy Tybur declared war and Eren responded. The Alliance did not declare war.
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ft45 said:
khalil04uzumaki said:

And what's the r/ShingekiNoKyojin ?

It's a subreddit. Being called a redditor is an insult if you didn't got it.

Aha okay , it looks an elegant insult btw
But yeah wouldn't expect less from these toxic people
Mar 28, 2022 8:53 AM

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I disagree, in fact, the peak of attack on titan hasn't even been shown in the anime yet.
Mar 28, 2022 9:12 AM
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Everything after Memories is boring and the rest of story will be boring. After the memories peak AOT Isayama had no Idea what to do with endgame and the story goes down the hill and with a very shitty ending. Expect a very bad ending if MAPPA is going to be faithful as fuck. GOOD LUCK
Mar 28, 2022 9:42 AM

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another manga reader pretending to be first timer, geez these people are so cringe


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Spektral_Beast said:
-Yuzucchi- said:
I've been feeling like it's just getting better and better. I was hoping for years that things would be concluded in certain ways, and things do seem to be heading that way.


Oh no who's gonna tell him?


It's for him to decide. Just because you didn't like the ending doesn't automatically make it bad. I understand it's a divisive ending, many have hated it, many have enjoyed it. Don't project your preferences onto others.
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nhl2004 said:
Those who believe so clearly dont understand any of the characters.
The original government did have a plan, which was a partial rumbling to keep the world scared of them followed by 50 years of development and diplomacy.

The Yeagerists want to genocide everyone not because of rationalism, but because of paranoia about a world they don't understand. The Alliance, however, are different. They know an innocent outside the walls is the same as an innocent inside the walls. Even Eren understands this but the reason he's doing it all is cause he wants freedom. The others have no such desire and would be content just to live their lives.

Yeagerist fan babies can come at me saying that the "Rumbling is the only way", but no its not. There are many ways you can achieve peace for Paradis with much less casualties and the only ones who say otherwise are

A) Paranoid teenage soldiers in the anime who can think of nothing better due to being ignorant and unexperienced

B) Idiots and Neo Nazis on the internet who only deal in absolutes and extremes, who are simply close minded and can't think of a solution that does not conform to their biases.

As the other guy said, even Rumbling isn't an absolute solution. Eldians on their tiny island with hardly any ships would be stuck there and constantly war using the nine titans and since those are highly destructive, they might well end up driving themselves to extinction in the future.


As for the Alliance members of Paradis, they fought all their lives under the banner of protecting humanity from titans and they're not patriotic to any nation or race. Hence they are standing against an unnecessary bloodbath


I don't think you watched the anime at all. Zeke wanted to euthanize the eldian people. How is that peace. Eldia was doomed from the start. If Eren never attacked marley in the first place they would have invaded paradis regardless and slaughtered them.

If zeke obtained the founding he would have euthanized and killed all eldians. The world sees Eren as a threat and all eldians as a threat.

As such eren way was the only way. There's no wrong or right people in AOT which is why it's such a compelling reason

Everyone has the reasons they're fighting for and I understand everyone reasons for fighting and doing what they're doing. But for someone who lives on paradis, being a yeagarist is the most logical option
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ichihito said:
Nitroade24h said:
If you think Armin and Mikasa should just sit back and enjoy the genocide then you must not have been paying attention

who cares anymore I mean in my opinion they're the ones who declared war so they got what they wanted. war....
your opinion is factually wrong with the series though
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Nitroade24h said:
ichihito said:

who cares anymore I mean in my opinion they're the ones who declared war so they got what they wanted. war....
your opinion is factually wrong with the series though
nahh I couldn't care less on who or how much people die
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X-Offender said:
Spektral_Beast said:


Oh no who's gonna tell him?


It's for him to decide. Just because you didn't like the ending doesn't automatically make it bad. I understand it's a divisive ending, many have hated it, many have enjoyed it. Don't project your preferences onto others.


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