Which character best complements Shinji?
| Deviating a bit from the standard character poll which usually asks about your favorite character, this one's about the characters in relation to Shinji. To be more specific, which character in the series do you think should be credited for or had the most potential to change Shinji for the better? If you wish, romantic pairings may be brought up but characters for discussion need not be limited to those. For the record: Rei II Defeating the Angels was part of her mission but it was not until Shinji was in danger that she decided to sacrifice herself and I think such dedication deserves to be recognized. Although she was no more "complete" than Shinji was, they seemed to be making progress together. Asuka (sane) Despite the constant stream of verbal abuse, they could have ended up as a normal couple(?). Too bad she only had enough screen time during her tsun-tsun phase and she rarely showed her dere-dere side. Rei III A bit cold at first but she eventually chooses Shinji over Gendo. Their interaction during instrumentality ends with Shinji realizing the value of individuality and that "finding a solution to the problems of people hurting each other was the only true way forward." Asuka (unstable) Err... Kaworu Homosexual or not, he was one of the few characters who accepted Shinji and reached out to him. Mana Although non-canon, the two made a sweet couple. XD Misato As Shinji's guardian, she may have been the closest thing he ever had to having a parent. Gendo Perhaps showing just a little more recognition and approval for his son might have made him less bitter? Yui "Shinji is equally affected by his mother's absence, as that and Gendo's subsequent abandonment of him is a massive trauma that he has carried his entire life and is what has led to his avoidant, non-confrontational nature." Unit 01 He spent over a month in it. Perhap's he would have been less miserable had he stayed in there. the Angels They make decent conversation partners when they're not trying to rip your limbs off. |
| Definitely sane Asuka. I've always been a Shinji x Asuka fan, mostly because I think they were the perfect 'opposites' of each other. |
| Very interesting post. I'd have to think about it some more, but the first person I thought of was Misato. But basically I'd have to agree to what Xinil said. |
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Xinil said: Definitely sane Asuka. I've always been a Shinji x Asuka fan, mostly because I think they were the perfect 'opposites' of each other. My opinion has been revealed. |
| Ahh. Just because they're opposites doesn't mean that they'll mix well though. They're like oil and water, the former being highly flammable. 0_o My vote goes to Rei II. Fanboy bias aside, her relationship with Shinji was developing very well until it culminated with her self-sacrifice. 2nd place goes to Kaworu, the other guy who lived with and died for Shinji. 3rd place goes to Yui Ikari for her final speech in the show. The same scene is shown much earlier in the manga though and this is what pushes Shinji to choose reality over the false happiness of being trapped within the EVA. I think these three characters (if Rei II and III considered as one) are the only ones who made a lasting and positive influence on Shinji's personality. |
| I'm mixed between Rei and Asuka. Shinji and Rei slowly developed a trusting relationship through the story- I think they both grew during the story. Asuka and Shinji are opposites, but they tend to balance each other out. |
| I would say that Kaworu had the biggest immediate effect on Shinji and that he had the most potential to make Shinji "happy". Kaworu reached out to Shinji and Shinji accepted that. Shinji actually waited for Kaworu, just to see him. They shared a room and Shinji opened up to him. Regardless of whether it would have become romantic or not (I, personally, think it most certainly would have become a romance, and that Shinji did in fact feel romantically for Kaworu), Kaworu would have made Shinji happy - he made him feel loved, he made him talk about himself, no other character done that. The fact that Shinji is completely, utterly mentally destroyed after Kaworu dies shows how very deeply Shinji cared for Kaworu, and disproves that absurd theory that their relationship was just Shinji "using" Kaworu, because he had no one else (he did have someone else, Misato opened up to him in the previous episode and he refused her). |
| I would have to say Asuka. I myself like Rei better, but I think Asuka would suit Shinji best. Rei's nihilism is wünderbar, to be sure, but I don't think it would have helped Shinji's fragile psyche... |
| Kaworu, definately while Rei is my favorite, she's the one who's getting a good influence from Shinji, not the other way around :P |
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| I think Rei II was in secretly in love by shinji ;| and probably the reason why she killed her self to save him. so my vote goes for Rei II !! I agree 100% with Yuunagi :) |
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| Even though I liked the Asuka x Shinji thing and stuff, but without EVA Unit 01 we wouldn't need Shinji so, the eva should get all the credit. |
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| If it wasn't for Rei II he wouldn't even had pilot the EVA, am I right? :) |
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| But without EVA 01 we wouldn't need Shinji... |
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| I would have said Yui instead of 01, since as far as i understood she merger her soul with 01, which is why shinji synchronizes so well. |
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Kirimao said: I would have said Yui instead of 01, since as far as i understood she merger her soul with 01, which is why shinji synchronizes so well. and Rei is a clone of her isn't that right? ;P |
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Kirimao said: I would have said Yui instead of 01, since as far as i understood she merger her soul with 01, which is why shinji synchronizes so well. I don't think she 'merged' her soul to Unit01. Unit01is simply like a body without a soul, and Yui Ikari became that soul. However, she only resides within Unit01, she has not become Unit01. duarteslm2 said: and Rei is a clone of her isn't that right? ;P Rei is only a physical clone of Yui - Lilith's soul (or at least part of it) is inside Rei, yes. |
CitizenGeekNov 27, 2007 3:59 PM
| Rei II |
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| im gonna have to say Rei II |
| I think, maybe, some people are forgetting the actual question, and are just voting for their favourites. Rei II is tied with Kaworu, and beating Asuka even though Rei II very obviously didn't make as big an impact on Shinji as either Kaworu or Asuka did. The fact that Rei is very introverted and seems to have little understanding of human relationships would suggest that she probably isn't the one to help Shinji achieve "complementation" or happiness and fulfillment. So, pazi and Hat-N-Clogs, care to explain why you both chose Rei II? |
CitizenGeekDec 7, 2007 3:48 PM
| They did it for the "lulz" or whatever.... Anyways, ........ I'm out. |
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| well, first off the fact that she sacrificed herself for him kind of shows a deeper connection...but im gonna rewatch it just to be sure... |
CitizenGeek said: I think, maybe, some people are forgetting the actual question, and are just voting for their favourites. Rei II is tied with Kaworu, and beating Asuka even though Rei II very obviously didn't make as big an impact on Shinji as either Kaworu or Asuka did. The fact that Rei is very introverted and seems to have little understanding of human relationships would suggest that she probably isn't the one to help Shinji achieve "complementation" or happiness and fulfillment. Yes, she had little understanding but similar to Kaworu, it is precisely because of her lack of understanding that she was willing to learn more about it with Shinji. Besides that, she has saved Shinji twice in the anime and thrice in the manga (1. against Ramiel, 2. from losing himself in unit 01 after Zeruel, and 3. against Armisael). She risked her life in the first and actually lost it in the third. To top it all off, her contact with Armisael made her realize that she wanted to become one with Shinji. Although Asuka may have made a greater impact on Shinji (in the anime, anyway), it wasn't even positive and she was too preoccupied with herself and her own issues to actually reach out to him. |
Yuunagi said: CitizenGeek said: I think, maybe, some people are forgetting the actual question, and are just voting for their favourites. Rei II is tied with Kaworu, and beating Asuka even though Rei II very obviously didn't make as big an impact on Shinji as either Kaworu or Asuka did. The fact that Rei is very introverted and seems to have little understanding of human relationships would suggest that she probably isn't the one to help Shinji achieve "complementation" or happiness and fulfillment. Yes, she had little understanding but similar to Kaworu, it is precisely because of her lack of understanding that she was willing to learn more about it with Shinji. Besides that, she has saved Shinji twice in the anime and thrice in the manga (1. against Ramiel, 2. from losing himself in unit 01 after Zeruel, and 3. against Armisael). She risked her life in the first and actually lost it in the third. To top it all off, her contact with Armisael made her realize that she wanted to become one with Shinji. Although Asuka may have made a greater impact on Shinji (in the anime, anyway), it wasn't even positive and she was too preoccupied with herself and her own issues to actually reach out to him. very well put!! |
| Kaworu hands down! He seems like the only person that Shinji accepted and opened up to, making him the natural choice. |
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url_elf said: Kaworu hands down! He seems like the only person that Shinji accepted and opened up to, making him the natural choice. Yeah, I think that regardless of whether Shinji's attraction to Kaworu was sexual or platonic (though it was sexual ...), Kaworu is definitely the one to "complete" Shinji. I don't think there's any point in the entire series where Shinji's seems as content and excited as he does in episode 24, with Kaworu. |
| I think the point of Evangelion is that we need other people, in plural, to be "complete". Something I definitely agree with, despite my hikikkomori/avoidant issues. Any single person couldn't complete him - Asuka couldn't even if she hadn't one of the worst cases of inferiority complex yet seen anywhere but in real life, Kaworu couldn't even if he only had not had to die for the sake of mankind (Kaworu-as-Jesus makes more sense the more one thinks of it), and Rei couldn't even if she didn't freak Shinji out. He would need all of them, from his father to Kaiji, Misato to Yui. Kaworu, I say then, if I have to specify a single one. I suspect that the one who would be happiest from a Shinji x Asuka relationship would be Asuka herself. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: I think the point of Evangelion is that we need other people, in plural, to be "complete". Something I definitely agree with, despite my hikikkomori/avoidant issues. Any single person couldn't complete him - Asuka couldn't even if she hadn't one of the worst cases of inferiority complex yet seen anywhere but in real life, Kaworu couldn't even if he only had not had to die for the sake of mankind (Kaworu-as-Jesus makes more sense the more one thinks of it), and Rei couldn't even if she didn't freak Shinji out. He would need all of them, from his father to Kaiji, Misato to Yui. Based on episode 26, EoE, or both? I can't recall at the moment which emphasized which. |
| Well, both, but EoE was clearer on the matter. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Well, both, but EoE was clearer on the matter. Hmm, I like your idea that it's people that we need instead of one person as a message of Eva's. However, don't you think the final scene of episode 26 makes that clearer? With everyone clapping and stuff? |
| Perhaps, but that was more internal - him accepting that pain was a part of life, that he hated himself but could change - fitting for the very internal nature of 26, it's conclusion is about concluding your problems with yourself. EoE is more about concluding your problems with others. They are not mutually exclusive: they are complementary (how apt an word for this!). Or so I think. |
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SailorStarDust said: I chose Asuka sane because it seems like those two really are the best match. But, even when sane, doesn't Asuka consistently treat Shinji fairly terribly? |
| Yes, she did. I can still imagine that, if they got over their IMMENSE personal issues, they'd be very happy with eachother. Still, Asuka is the pining one, not Shinji. He's just sexually (not romantically) attracted to her, and perhaps intrigued. |
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| Yeah,Shinji's feelings for Asuka are never really presented as anything other than a sexual attraction, are they? I'm not so sure they could work through their emotional problems; Asuka does treat Shinji fairly appallingly throughout the series ... |
| Asuka sane cuz she seemed to be the most in love with him. |
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