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I love the story of AOT as an anime only watcher, but my god is the art and animation extremely ugly.

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Attack on Titan Season 3 part 2 was excellent in every department imo and its insulting that this new season is ranked higher with Seven deadly Sins level art and animation. I feel like the story is the main reason for the high praise, but we cant ignore the other aspects of an anime. Where do you guys rank this season to the rest?
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Your tripping mappa mastered the cgi this season and it honestly looks great oh and bte imo its the best season all around
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This kid prob haven't even watch the season yet or simply this is just a troll
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What do you mean by 7 deadly sins like animation/art, it's not even that low that you are comparing with.

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No it's not. What are you talking about?? 🤔 Maybe you watching it on 420p, buy some good internet package lol 😂
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The animation admittedly is a step down but that doesn’t mean its bad
The cgi is one of the best cgi that have been used in animes and the character design and animation is standard
If they had time to work on it i think it could’ve been better than wit
Feb 14, 2022 4:55 PM
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you're a person who has watched 100+ animes and you are still complaining about animation and art style?

nice bait
Feb 14, 2022 4:56 PM
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Back on this again are we? I know this saying has become somewhat of a joke now, but seriously check your eyes and get some new glasses. As a fan of 7DS, I was distraught at what they've done to that series, so with all do respect, fuck you for even suggesting that anything in attack on titan season 4 looks even remotely like 7DS. Quite honestly insulting given that with their circumstances, they still managed to make something that looks miles better than most average anime while also still respecting the past seasons legacy. If that's really what you think then you get NOTHING, you lose, good day sir
Feb 14, 2022 4:59 PM
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"Seven Deadly Sins level art and animation" the sarcasm🤣
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did someone put a mirror in front of this man or something
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404Adel said:
The animation admittedly is a step down but that doesn’t mean its bad
The cgi is one of the best cgi that have been used in animes and the character design and animation is standard
If they had time to work on it i think it could’ve been better than wit

They had almost 1 year worth of time to Animate Part 2 a bit better than Part 1 I've got to say, but I still can't believe if you look at it overall, a huge downgrade from Wit's Animation and you can't ignore this fact.

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I don't understand why people are offended. The show is still good but the art and animation are atrocious, and that's the truth. Granted it didn't help watching new demon slayer episodes alongside this, but my point stands. The story alone is carrying this season.
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404Adel said:
The animation admittedly is a step down but that doesn’t mean its bad
The cgi is one of the best cgi that have been used in animes and the character design and animation is standard
If they had time to work on it i think it could’ve been better than wit

They had almost 1 year worth of time to Animate Part 2 a bit better than Part 1 I've got to say, but I still can't believe if you look at it overall, a huge downgrade from Wit's Animation and you can't ignore this fact.[/quote
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404Adel said:
The animation admittedly is a step down but that doesn’t mean its bad
The cgi is one of the best cgi that have been used in animes and the character design and animation is standard
If they had time to work on it i think it could’ve been better than wit

They had almost 1 year worth of time to Animate Part 2 a bit better than Part 1 I've got to say, but I still can't believe if you look at it overall, a huge downgrade from Wit's Animation and you can't ignore this fact.

Well if you think about it wit worked on season 2 for 4 years
Compare that with mappa
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pick your poison either carried by animation or carried by story, because its rare for anime to have both qualities
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If wit didn't have a tight schedule AOT season 4 part 2 would definitely be way better than what it's now but it isn't that bad with mappa as people make it seem....
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you could've made an argument if you were talking about s4 p1 ep 6 (tv version)

not any other episode, especially not for this part

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This can't be serious. There is nothing wrong with the new aot seasons animation. It's not amazing but it's nowhere near bad
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Why do you still care about the animation after watching over 100 anime?

I have problem with the story and the characters rather than the animation. Anime cannot have both good animation and good story.
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404Adel said:
The animation admittedly is a step down but that doesn’t mean its bad
The cgi is one of the best cgi that have been used in animes and the character design and animation is standard
If they had time to work on it i think it could’ve been better than wit

They had almost 1 year worth of time to Animate Part 2 a bit better than Part 1 I've got to say, but I still can't believe if you look at it overall, a huge downgrade from Wit's Animation and you can't ignore this fact.[/quote
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They had almost 1 year worth of time to Animate Part 2 a bit better than Part 1 I've got to say, but I still can't believe if you look at it overall, a huge downgrade from Wit's Animation and you can't ignore this fact.

Well if you think about it wit worked on season 2 for 4 years
Compare that with mappa

Just because they had a 4 year gap, doesn't mean they will ONLY work on Aot. Could've worked on other anime too. It's a simple logic.
And Season 2 had better Sakuga Animation than all of Mappa's scenes. Their Aot battles are only good because it's choreographed well in the Manga. The previous fights had more action compared to planning, but this season is the opposite.
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Scordolo said:
404Adel said:
The animation admittedly is a step down but that doesn’t mean its bad
The cgi is one of the best cgi that have been used in animes and the character design and animation is standard
If they had time to work on it i think it could’ve been better than wit

They had almost 1 year worth of time to Animate Part 2 a bit better than Part 1 I've got to say, but I still can't believe if you look at it overall, a huge downgrade from Wit's Animation and you can't ignore this fact.


nah season 3 is already huge downgrade from prev 2 season. that's why s4 looks better than s3
Feb 14, 2022 5:24 PM
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>Attack on Titan Season 3 part 2 was excellent in every department

also nah Season 2 is the best Attack on Titan season animation quality wise

Season 3 Part 2 have a lot of bad animation too due to production schedule being more tight
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Espio74 said:
Attack on Titan Season 3 part 2 was excellent in every department imo and its insulting that this new season is ranked higher with Seven deadly Sins level art and animation. I feel like the story is the main reason for the high praise, but we cant ignore the other aspects of an anime. Where do you guys rank this season to the rest?


yeah season 4 has no animation at all.

specially in part 2 ep 6 titan extermination scene.literally zero sakuga and animation.
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Espio74 said:
Attack on Titan Season 3 part 2 was excellent in every department imo and its insulting that this new season is ranked higher with Seven deadly Sins level art and animation. I feel like the story is the main reason for the high praise, but we cant ignore the other aspects of an anime. Where do you guys rank this season to the rest?


yeah season 4 has no animation at all.

specially in part 2 ep 6 titan extermination scene.literally zero sakuga and animation.


"yeah season 4 has no animation at all."
if you're being sarcastic that's ok. If you're being real, then stop talking out of your ass.

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Honestly the art style is what drew me towards it I the first place
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Espio74 said:
Attack on Titan Season 3 part 2 was excellent in every department imo and its insulting that this new season is ranked higher with Seven deadly Sins level art and animation. I feel like the story is the main reason for the high praise, but we cant ignore the other aspects of an anime. Where do you guys rank this season to the rest?

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deg said:
pick your poison either carried by animation or carried by story, because its rare for anime to have both qualities

I guess that's true to some extent, but Aot S3P2 had both.
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Espio74 said:
deg said:
pick your poison either carried by animation or carried by story, because its rare for anime to have both qualities

I guess that's true to sone extent, but Aot S3P2 had both.


nah dude Season 2 of Attack on Titan got both

S3P2 got inconsistent animation and you can barely call sakuga the Armored Titan vs Attack Titan fight in that season
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bruh you dumb or smth smh
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DanVinAnime429 said:
you're a person who has watched 100+ animes and you are still complaining about animation and art style?

nice bait

What kind of logic is this just because I've watched 100+ anime it means I should lower my standards? It's still a good show, but the eye candy is still very disappointing compared to past seasons.
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Espio74 said:
DanVinAnime429 said:
you're a person who has watched 100+ animes and you are still complaining about animation and art style?

nice bait

What kind of logic is this just because I've watched 100+ anime it means I should lower my standards? It's still a good show, but the eye candy is still very disappointing compared to past seasons.

nope I'm not saying you should lower your standards, why do i think that this is a bait?
1. 7ds. animation-wise and art-wise mappa's aot is miles ahead
2. animation and the art of mappa's aot is very good for a studio who has only a short time to animate a big series (this is a common knowledge for people who has been here for a while)
3. i would have taken your thread seriously if you were new to anime (since you would need some guidance) but you're not.
4. your definition of good animation is way too unreal (mappa's aot honestly has a lower quality in comparison to other of mappa's projects)
5. mappa is following the manga's art style
6. if you were complaining (which is fine) then you should have supported your complaint properly for it not to be mistaken as a bait thread
7. usage of proper statements to support your complaint is nearly non-existent
8. you've been in the community for a a few years now and you still created this kind of thread
9. "extremely ugly", "extremely" is a powerful word so use it properly but if you've been watching aot in a lower video quality then that's not mappa's problem but yours

my opinion towards mappa's aot...
s4p2 is better than s4p1 (in terms in production quality)
mappa's aot has a lower quality than other animes from other studios (including mappa)
s4p1&2 is story>animation
i do prefer wit but mappa is doing a good job
cgi is better than wit's but the usage of cgi mappa is using is higher than wit
titans are slightly better since 2d animation is used more in this cour than in s4p1
art style is good (this is subjective)
animation is also good
for having only 1 year to animate they did a good job (they should have given 2 years at minimum to animate such big project)
s4 aot has better animation than majority of mainstream animes
s4 aot has lower quality in comparison to it's competition this decade (2020's-30's) (as of winter 2022)
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If you think it looks comparable to Deen's 7DS, then you need some glasses.
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Espio74 said:
Attack on Titan Season 3 part 2 was excellent in every department imo and its insulting that this new season is ranked higher with Seven deadly Sins level art and animation. I feel like the story is the main reason for the high praise, but we cant ignore the other aspects of an anime. Where do you guys rank this season to the rest?
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Honestly wtf are you smokin man? *facepalm
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why?? because people have no problem with this art, we are used to it, animation is also above average and I don't think I have to say anything about the story or the character as they are just brilliant
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I don't understand why people are offended. The show is still good but the art and animation are atrocious, and that's the truth. Granted it didn't help watching new demon slayer episodes alongside this, but my point stands. The story alone is carrying this season.

nagatoro San ans steins gate are in your favorites ( don't want to offend only talking about animation) but their animation is weaker than aot s4 p2 who you are comparing with seven deadly sins
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ngl that's kinda true, but the season that was made by Wit is damn op. I prefer Wit than Mappa no cap. Nvm the cgi though. It's goat in its own form

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Well, that's an unpopular opinion.
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pick your poison either carried by animation or carried by story, because its rare for anime to have both qualities

This really makes it sound like AoT has Tokyo Revengers level of animation, like what? No matter how you look at it, the animation of this season is average at worst.
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The thing he might hate about art might be those lines on everyone's face showing sadness or depression . I too hate them too much bro if it wasn't those lines I would have rated AoT 9/10
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Well, that's an unpopular opinion.
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pick your poison either carried by animation or carried by story, because its rare for anime to have both qualities

This really makes it sound like AoT has Tokyo Revengers level of animation, like what? No matter how you look at it, the animation of this season is average at worst.


agreed the animation quality is average for this Final Season so far but OP are talking in extremes so i gave him that rule of thumb since he said he have watch Demon Slayer Brothel Arc and comparing it to the animation quality of this Final Season can make him think its worse than it is
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Espio74 said:
Attack on Titan Season 3 part 2 was excellent in every department imo and its insulting that this new season is ranked higher with Seven deadly Sins level art and animation. I feel like the story is the main reason for the high praise, but we cant ignore the other aspects of an anime. Where do you guys rank this season to the rest?

Considering he gave 7DS a 8 for two of its seasons, this child has no argument and is trying to put himself in the spotlight. Best to leave him I. shame. He’s probably just salty that Sasha’s dead and it happened when they were in charge. Poor soul, he won’t ever recover from this blow ;(
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You should put that in the 'tags' section of your anime list.
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AOT S4 is above-average at best compared to other titles that recently came out, but it's one of MAPPA's roughest outputs to date which is highly reminiscent to their work in Shoukoku no Altair -- another title which had a very turbulent schedule all thanks to Aniplex and is one of MAPPA's sub-standard shows in terms of animation next to Garo: Crimson Moon.


Credit where it's due, MAPPA's in-house CGI did mature in a good way, almost way better than MADBOX's work from the past 3 seasons of AoT. Not to mention that their directors, storyboard artists, and animators are no joke and just as ambitious as WIT's. But then, time constraints brought us this and it doesn't even look bad. Rough, yes.

If MAPPA was able to make S4P2 miles betterin terms of visual fidelity in a limited amount of time, we could've been seeing Rage of Bahamut tier animation if the schedule wasn't even wack in the first place.

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Espio74 said:
I don't understand why people are offended. The show is still good but the art and animation are atrocious, and that's the truth. Granted it didn't help watching new demon slayer episodes alongside this, but my point stands. The story alone is carrying this season.

Dont even try bringing discussion about how ugly this anime looks, because most people are incapable of understanding what is wrong with it, since the standards are somehow low. I agree with you, the colour palette and the textures are horrendous because they are rushed, some scenes have a ridiculously low fluidity, and overall it looks bad because it is obviously not completely done. The problem is that people equate good animation and art with sakuga, and that can't be further from truth, the art of this season is mediocre beyond the lack of elevated animation moments



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AOT has a bad luck of getting a god awful adaptation

All of these are responsible for getting such a trash adaptation:
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2.AOT production committee(greedy to not to give a single dime to WIT studio)
3.Mappa animators who decide to include piss filter in everyframe.


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It's okay if you don't like the art style, but to say that it's atrocious is just silly. Sure, it's different from the previous seasons, but it fits with the theme and mood of this season. The amount of work put into each detail is astounding and is objectively a good animation/art style.
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Well if you think about it wit worked on season 2 for 4 years
Compare that with mappa


And that's the very reason why they almost went bankrupt and had to be re-consolidated by Production IG today. They had to turn over Hoozuki and Ancient Magus to Deen and Twin Engine respectively, and had to switch to making music videos and taking low-complexity titles like After The Rain to allow more headroom for AOT that time while not being in the committee in the first place. They never earned from AOT (IG did) and had to resort to Netflix (Vampire, Grimm, Bubble, and Great Pretender) and doing anime-originals (Vivy and the mentioned four earlier) to turn a quick buck but then the damage has been done that IG had to intervene.

Funny enough, AOT S2 is just as rough as S3P2 even after that leeway and had a noticeable downgrade in aesthetic and animation compared to S1.

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Espio74 said:
Attack on Titan Season 3 part 2 was excellent in every department imo and its insulting that this new season is ranked higher with Seven deadly Sins level art and animation. I feel like the story is the main reason for the high praise, but we cant ignore the other aspects of an anime. Where do you guys rank this season to the rest?

I agree honestly. If you pay attention, many scenes show very little movement, almost as if they are still shots from the manga. The only reason this isn't talked about is because the plot is good
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I feel like this might be a troll post but I'm still going to give my opinion.

For me WIT's animation is better in some aspects but Mappa's animation is better in other aspects.

WIT's dynamic action animation was honestly unparalleled. But Mappa's character designs are better.
WiT had very simplified typical anime designs. Mappa's character designs are much more detailed. And I love the use of lines to show facial expressions.

Secondly, In my opinion, Mappa does the "talking" non action scenes better. The talking scenes in the first 3 seasons always seemed a bit stiff. With Mappa they seem more lively. I loved episodes like Declaration of War, Assassins Bullet, Children in the Forest. Which were largely talking episodes.
I honestly believe that WIT could not have done Declaration of War and the PATHS episode better than Mappa.

Lastly, while I loved WITs use of shading and colours, which was stunning. And while the ahow looked absolutely beautiful. It's animation had a very self aware anime look. Like the show was made to be perceived as an action anime.
Which worked for the first 3 seasons.

For Mappa, while their overall look is not as beautiful as WIT. But their animation looks much more realistic and grounded.
With their muted colours, character designs, backgrounds, more realistic camera movements, etc, it seems like Mappa is actively trying to emulate a real life look. Which works great for season 4 which takes a lot of inspiration from many real life aspects of WW1 era world and its politics.
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Well if you think about it wit worked on season 2 for 4 years
Compare that with mappa


And that's the very reason why they almost went bankrupt and had to be re-consolidated by Production IG today. They had to turn over Hoozuki and Ancient Magus to Deen and Twin Engine respectively, and had to switch to making music videos and taking low-complexity titles like After The Rain to allow more headroom for AOT that time while not being in the committee in the first place. They never earned from AOT (IG did) and had to resort to Netflix (Vampire, Grimm, Bubble, and Great Pretender) and doing anime-originals (Vivy and the mentioned four earlier) to turn a quick buck but then the damage has been done that IG had to intervene.

Funny enough, AOT S2 is just as rough as S3P2 even after that leeway and had a noticeable downgrade in aesthetic and animation compared to S1.

Wow didn’t know that
Thanks for the info
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I personally like it better than wit's style. Fits AoT really well.
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