who is more the cause the fans or the anime industry when it comes to sexualization of characters?
the fans is more the cause
47.4%
136
the creators or the anime industry is more the cause
29.6%
85
i do not know
23.0%
66
287 votes
| Blame for what lol. All of those "problematic" animes are for adults for God's sake!. Adults want booba in their animations and producers give it to them period. |
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| I would have to say the fans, though I wouldn't say that the anime industry is without faults. Fans have begged the sexualization of certain characters for years, & the anime industry have decided to just listen to them instead of thinking carefully on what characters would be appropriate for the sexualization. That being said, sexualization of characters is definitely fine as long as they're not minors. I've gotten used to female characters wearing very revealing outfits throughout the years. |
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| @deg when you use words such as "blame" you set a notion that what you're about to discuss is a bad thing when it's factually not since there are a large portion of the community that likes it. It would be helpful if you started using neutral language in the future. |
| Sexualization is natural and normal but people who are looking for someone to blame with most a retarded occasion are not. |
deg said: ezikialrage said: Animation companies like all other for profit companies are there to make money by making what the consumer demands. If a product doesn't sell then a company won't make that product. again though we got government regulations going on Unless government regulation is telling the anime companies that they have to sexualize characters then its not relevant. |
deg said: Tannhauser said: @deg when you use words such as "blame" you set a notion that what you're about to discuss is a bad thing when it's factually not since there are a large portion of the community that likes it. It would be helpful if you started using neutral language in the future. sexualization in anime is my guilty pleasure and im sure a lot of fans feel the same way too since they are hiding it from their friends and family for example Bottom line here is that no one is harmed during the production or the consumption of the product, thus there is no one to blame for anything. As for hiding your hobbies, better address issues in your personal environment or improve self-confidence. |
deg said: Tannhauser said: Bottom line here is that no one is harmed during the production or the consumption of the product, thus there is no one to blame for anything. As for hiding your hobbies, better address issues in your personal environment or improve self-confidence. i mean the people outside criticising that anime is just cartoon porn so do they blame us fans or the creators? i directed it here to see if the fandom can see the perspective of the people outside, the majority of normies If I had to guess, the ones to blame for the warped perspective are the normies themselves. |
deg said: Tannhauser said: Bottom line here is that no one is harmed during the production or the consumption of the product, thus there is no one to blame for anything. As for hiding your hobbies, better address issues in your personal environment or improve self-confidence. i mean the people outside criticising that anime is just cartoon porn so do they blame us fans or the creators? i directed it here to see if the fandom can see the perspective of the people outside, the majority of normies I don't mean to interject but how did we go from sexualization of characters to cartoon porn? I mean don't get me wrong, I personally don't watch "Hentai" or cartoon porn anymore since I am not some horny teenager. I do enjoy fanservice and some "Ecchi" themed anime titles. Just because one personally enjoy looking at sexually attractive fictional characters, doesn't mean they watch it to get their rocks off. I am a man and I am completely heterosexual. I might not be a complete horn ball like I use to be when I was a teenager but doesn't automatically translate to becoming a complete prude. |
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Nurguburu said: He's trying to sell his minority opinion by using the fallacy of false dilemma, thinly veiled as a poll.I don't get what OP is trying to do here, trying to piss off people who enjoy something natural? Options are terrible and biased too. Another example of this technique: Is it true that since you quit injecting heroin you have more bestiality sex with small furry animals? ( ) Yes ( ) No ( ) I prefer animals without fur |
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deg said: Nurguburu said: I don't get what OP is trying to do here, trying to piss off people who enjoy something natural? Options are terrible and biased too. a lot of people hate anime sexual fanservice both inside and outside the fandom, the poll is just based on supply and demand, just vote i do not know if you cannot choose, this is not a False Dilemma where there is only 2 options available Premise: Sexualization of anime chars is a problem. Alternative 1: A is to blame Alternative 2: B is to blame ... Alternative n: Z is to blame Alternative n+1: no comment There is no alternative which would reject the premise, which is the problem because the majority of people think the PREMISE is nonsense. That is where the false alternative hides, not in random alternative answers of which each and every option implies agreement with a false premise. |
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deg said: supply and demand of ____________ ?inim said: Premise: Sexualization of anime chars is a problem. Alternative 1: A is to blame Alternative 2: B is to blame Alternative 3: no comment There is no alternative which would reject the premise, which is the problem because the majority of people think the PREMISE is nonsense. That is where the false alternative hides, not in random alternative answers of which each and every option implies agreement with a false premise. sure but i already said i based the poll on supply and demand |
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a lot of people hate anime sexual fanservice both inside and outside the fandom, the poll is just based on supply and demand [of] sexualization of anime characters aka sexual fanservice and just fans sexualization just vote |
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deg said: Who is more to blame for invisible pink unicorns, the unicorn industry or their fans?inim said: You consider this to be a proper English sentence? I don't. well again youre being too technical and strict "who is more to blame the fans or the anime industry when it comes to sexualization of characters?" |
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deg said: It's not pedanditic to point out you try to make your minority opinion appear as a fact one could base a poll on. It's pointing out you are using intellectually dishonest techniques to impress kids.inim said: Who is more to blame for invisible pink unicorns, the unicorn industry or their fans? i do not want to say it but youre being too pedantic voting i do know or not vote at all is an option too anyway its not forcing your to choose at all like a false dilemma |
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deg said: inim said: It's not pedanditic to point out you try to make your minority opinion appear as a fact one could base a poll on. It's pointing out you are using intellectually dishonest techniques to impress kids. ok my poll is technically wrong but this is a informal setting an anime forum “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” (Isaac Asimov) I still think there should be zero tolerance towards this form of manipulating the kids who constitute the majority of MAL users. You want to protect them from female nipples, I want to protect them from believing that your opinion is anywhere near that of the democratic majority. Sounds like we both have a mission. |
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deg said: Maybe this posting is saying more about what you do than anything you said before. Me too thinks "anime is a guilty pleasure of mine as well as for escapism". And because my morals don't make me feel guilty about that, I don't need anybody I can blame for enjoying sexualized characters once in a while ... inim said: I still think there should be zero tolerance towards this form of manipulating the kids who constitute the majority of MAL users. You want to protect them from female nipples, I want to protect them from believing that your opinion is anywhere near that of the democratic majority. Sounds like we both have a mission. you only have that problem, like i said anime is a guilty pleasure of mine as well as for escapism |
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deg said: I won't blame you for your morals. You didn't choose them, your parents did that for you when you were little. It's hard to change deeply rooted beliefs, yet possible (and worthwhile) if you want to. However, there is no reason to pose in public and shout at the crowd "look how guilty I feel for watching anime tiddies!", Which in a very convoluted way is what this "poll" is about. Come to the dark side, we have any fetish of your choosing and it's only ink and paper you enjoy. Noting to worry about.inim said: Maybe this posting is saying more about what you do than anything you said before. Me too thinks "anime is a guilty pleasure of mine as well as for escapism". And because my morals don't make me feel guilty about that, I don't need anybody I can blame for enjoying sexualized characters once in a while ... well good for you, its just i cannot ignore that majority of society or the normies downplay anime as something childish or porn be it soft porn or hard porn the saying "anime is trash and so am i" is just on my thoughts once and while but not all the time |
inimJan 19, 2022 1:21 PM
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| What about those of us who actually like Ecchi? 🥲 If it didn’t sell then they wouldn’t make it that way but “unfortunately” it does. (If you’re talking like fanart and “fanart” it’s inevitable as the 34th rule of the internet states) |
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RioAl said: Characters sexualized isn't bad in my opinion so nobody to blame i think it depends tbh, If we're talking like just normal fanservice-y type stuff i don't think its bad but i think it crosses a line when characters who are deliberately minors are involved. |
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| Easily the fans. Ask You Shall Receive amirite? |
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| Given the heavy amount of interplay between fans and creators when it comes to otaku works in general, it's definitely a mix of both. As with a lot of things in anime, fanservice/sexualization becomes an aspect of database consumption, so what perpetuates ultimately becomes lost in simulacrum. |
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| It’s more so due to the fans. Yes, there will always be some anime produced that aims to sexualise, but the reason why it is so common is due to anime fans buying into it. Sexualisation exists as there is a market for it, and the fans are the reason such a market exists. |
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| They give you what they can sell, if you have shitty isekai every season is becouse you still watch them every year, every season |
deg said: Here's a good example of what happened. Today Israel and Germany submitted a motion to criminalize denying the Holocaust to the UN. It's national law here for decades. Now the same process starts as it did some years ago for the motion to criminalize lolicon anime as child pornography, which is the one you refer to. Same process.inim said: The UN makes no requests. Subsets of their member states do. The UN has no executive powers, no law enforcement, and no influence on national laws. It only is a forum where groups of member states can discuss international treaties. Each sovereign member is free to sign them or not later. well you are too technical and strict with words like i said the news headlines said recommended by UN so ye Japan refuse the recommendation to make it more strict https://www.dw.com/en/israel-and-germany-urge-the-un-to-condemn-holocaust-denial/a-60490310 |
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| the fans imo. the creators keeps giving out this sexualization and majority of the wankers will keep wanting that and it creates this cycle. if its what appeals to a good amount of people then why would the creators stop? |
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| Fans because the creators of light novels, manga and games, create two things in one package. First they make what they want and think is interesting. Secondly they abide by the editor and whomever else is aware of trends. So that their work can be viewed as relevant for it's target audience. The studio adapting the anime takes all these in to consideration, plus adding a few of their own. The final product is what we asked for, with some nip and tuck from the commercialisation. That or I have no idea what I'm talking about. |
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| Both, maybe the fans more than the creators as they encourage it by consuming more. |
| If people wouldn't buy it, then the industry wouldn't sell it. So the customer decides which content gets made. Not like I have a problem with the current content at all. |
| Fans obviously play a major role, but the creators are ultimately the ones calling the shots, pulling the trigger and empowering those kinda fans just to make more money and keep them on board. I don't particularly have an issue with the sexualization of characters. However, I do find it extremely weird and disturbing that anime creators are a little too nonchalant when it comes to sexualizing minors in order to make more money and keep weirdos on board. That's something worth addressing and I hope things change in that area. It's just my opinion, so please don't quote me and write a 360 word passage about "fiction is different from reality" or "we must preserve freedom of expression in fiction". Not interested, you do you. I'd choose to live in a world where young characters aren't sexualized even in the case of fiction. That's all. |
| I'd say the fans. If the fans started collectively banding against fanservice it would probably die down a bit, however, if studios just stopped putting in fanservice the retarded anime fans would always want it. |
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