natsuyu_haruki said: From the point of view of someone who knows close to nothing about this story's background or origins, I feel as though the anime is actually very enjoyable. The story is quite interesting (though the whole controlling girls narrative is a bit off-putting — very Black Bullet-esque), the character designs and concepts are lovely, the animation and art style are incredibly well done, and best of all, it has very good sound design. I frankly don't understand why everyone says the direction isn't engaging at all; both the mundane and action-packed scenes are actually quite interesting. And so, I must ask, why do you like or dislike this series? I'd like to hear (read) actual answers that discuss their own observations instead of the "it's absolute ass lmao," "it's just bad," and "what's there to like?" I keep seeing. Just gander at what you've omitted from your list of positives. Most notably, the story, namely in the senses of plot, theme and worldbuilding, as well as the characters, both in terms of shallow identity design and their weak portrayals. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| delusional mappa haters crying over the wOrKiNg cOnDiTiOnS for this anime because obviously mappa is the only animation studio with bad working cinditions for animators no animation studio other than mappa has bad working conditions fucking stupid dude /s all this mappa hate as if we’re supposed to care for animators we’re just here to consume shit as if we can change shit best thing we can do is to just support it legally so somehow the japanese government betters animators working conditions after animation industry gains more awareness overall |
| it has an 8+ rating despite the decline, it's also the third most watched anime this season according to this site, so how do you conclude it's hated just for hearing some elitist barking?? |
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natsuyu_haruki said: From the point of view of someone who knows close to nothing about this story's background or origins, I feel as though the anime is actually very enjoyable. The story is quite interesting (though the whole controlling girls narrative is a bit off-putting — very Black Bullet-esque), the character designs and concepts are lovely, the animation and art style are incredibly well done, and best of all, it has very good sound design. I frankly don't understand why everyone says the direction isn't engaging at all; both the mundane and action-packed scenes are actually quite interesting. And so, I must ask, why do you like or dislike this series? I'd like to hear (read) actual answers that discuss their own observations instead of the "it's absolute ass lmao," "it's just bad," and "what's there to like?" I keep seeing. the main issue is the writing, with the direction also playing a factor. let's start from the good, the music is amazing, the sound design is crispy and fun, and the art and animation leave no room no complain. and even the direction is pretty good during the action. those are the reasons it has a high score. but it's not all good and dandy. the problem with writing and direction, is most obvious during the dialogue scenes. most of those scenes feel forced, don't add enough to the story, and have nothing interesting to offer. good dialogue should feel like a game of catch, but in this show the dialogue feels like exposition. for you to get what i mean, you have to compare the dialogue in this show with shows that have good dialogue like bunny girl senpai, steins gate or odd taxi. as of now the story goes like this. exposition, action, exposition, action and so on... and that's not a good thing. the way they set up plot points and mystery is also extremely lazy. the ara ara guy saying something about the past, but then not continuing was a perfect example of lazy writing when it comes to setting up a mystery. there isn't really anything special about the story and characters, but they aren't bad either. so we have an average plot, with lazy/bad writing that has amazing production. it's about the same level as demon slayer. but that show is rated higher because: 1. it's a battle/sport shounen, and every battle/sport shounen on this site is rated higher than it should be. 2. it's not based of a manga/light novel, so there are no manga/light novel readers to give it a boost |
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kriissyy12 said: darrenkbenn said: Read this @kriissyy12. Should everything spoon fed to you? if you think that this isn't valid criticism then you're probably a 7 yr old behind the keyboard. "What don't you like about the show" "I've already explained in my post history" I'm not going to look over someones history, if they want to engage in a discussion reply to MY comment with what they don't like or don't engage at all. kriissyy12 said: darrenkbenn said: Read this @kriissyy12. Should everything spoon fed to you? if you think that this isn't valid criticism then you're probably a 7 yr old behind the keyboard. "What don't you like about the show" "I've already explained in my post history" I'm not going to look over someones history, if they want to engage in a discussion reply to MY comment with what they don't like or don't engage at all. alright here you go, i could go into more details, but this should give you an idea the main issue is the writing, with the direction also playing a factor. let's start from the good, the music is amazing, the sound design is crispy and fun, and the art and animation leave no room no complain. and even the direction is pretty good during the action. those are the reasons it has a high score. but it's not all good and dandy. the problem with writing and direction, is most obvious during the dialogue scenes. most of those scenes feel forced, don't add enough to the story, and have nothing interesting to offer. good dialogue should feel like a game of catch, but in this show the dialogue feels like exposition. for you to get what i mean, you have to compare the dialogue in this show with shows that have good dialogue like bunny girl senpai, steins gate or odd taxi. as of now the story goes like this. exposition, action, exposition, action and so on... and that's not a good thing. the way they set up plot points and mystery is also extremely lazy. the ara ara guy saying something about the past, but then not continuing was a perfect example of lazy writing when it comes to setting up a mystery. there isn't really anything special about the story and characters, but they aren't bad either. so we have an average plot, with lazy/bad writing that has amazing production. it's about the same level as demon slayer. but that show is rated higher because: 1. it's a battle/sport shounen, and every battle/sport shounen on this site is rated higher than it should be. 2. it's not based of a manga/light novel, so there are no manga/light novel readers to give it a boost |
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arshiapolygons2 said: the music is amazing I keep seeing this and I'm genuinely curious why people think so. Is it just because it's classical, or am I missing something else? |
SSL443 said: arshiapolygons2 said: the music is amazing I keep seeing this and I'm genuinely curious why people think so. Is it just because it's classical, or am I missing something else? like it's not the best i have seen, but it's a solid orchestral soundtrack. that type of music is just hard to do well, there is a reason not many shows do that for their soundtack. it's no made in abyss dawn of deep soul soundtrack, but how can i complain about a solid orchestra? |
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arshiapolygons2 said: like it's not the best i have seen, but it's a solid orchestral soundtrack. that type of music is just hard to do well, there is a reason not many shows do that for their soundtack. it's no made in abyss dawn of deep soul soundtrack, but how can i complain about a solid orchestra? Hm. I guess part of the problem for me is that the score gets dragged down by the lack of good action or story. But even then, it feels kind of generic and video-gamey, in my opinion. A better example of a good orchestral score would be the Zetsuen no Tempest OST. It has a very distinctive classical-romantic sound, and also happens to quote Beethoven. Ironically, the score for that anime felt much more rooted in common practice classical music than anything that we've seen so far from Takt Op, despite classical music not being a central idea in that series. |
SSL443 said: arshiapolygons2 said: like it's not the best i have seen, but it's a solid orchestral soundtrack. that type of music is just hard to do well, there is a reason not many shows do that for their soundtack. it's no made in abyss dawn of deep soul soundtrack, but how can i complain about a solid orchestra? Hm. I guess part of the problem for me is that the score gets dragged down by the lack of good action or story. But even then, it feels kind of generic and video-gamey, in my opinion. A better example of a good orchestral score would be the Zetsuen no Tempest OST. It has a very distinctive classical-romantic sound, and also happens to quote Beethoven. Ironically, the score for that anime felt much more rooted in common practice classical music than anything that we've seen so far from Takt Op, despite classical music not being a central idea in that series. yeah like i said, it's generic show with great production. if i had to go by rating i would say it's 8.25/10 animation 7.75/10 muisc 6/10 direction 4/10 writing 5.5/10 story 4.75/10 characters so over all i think it's a something around 5 or 6. and if it becomes amazing suddenly maybe a 7 later on. i have to see the rest of the show. but so far, and most likely through out the whole show, it's only slightly above average. |
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| A good story with a bad plot. |
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Rembe said: SSL443 said: I mean in this case, it’s actually true, the show is carried by animationIt's more or less universally agreed that the animation is the best quality of this show, so not sure what you're trying to argue there. And I'm pretty sure drawing comparisons with other shows is valid criticism. Yeah, let Studio Deen take over this anime and see the score drop below 5 Nanatsu no Taizai managed to stay above 6 but this show wouldn't. |
| In the firat place it brought interest because of animation quality. But it doesn't make up in a story aspect. Personally I'm relieving tha same experience as when Sao first came out. |
| I don't dislike it but it's one of the weakest seasonals for me this year because: 1) The characters didn't catch my attention. Takt is always like "I want to play piano." The Big sister's role is to just babysit him and cosette. Cosette is just a cheerful girl who likes to poke fun at takt. and when she becomes a musicart she's literally just a D2 killing machine. 2) the plot was not interesting enough for me. The explanations didn't help either they just explained it like a school lesson without doing it in a manner that I should care about the plot. 3) I am at ep 3 and am not able to get past it because it just doesn't catch my attention |
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CheeseyWindow said: people were just expecting so much more because of the hype No. Wrong. This show sold itself on the premise of fighting monsters with music, which was hardly "hype." It was a vaguely interesting concept with a bit of originality going for it. Then you actually watch the first episode and get nothing of the sort. It failed to deliver on the most basic level. Even that aside, just look at the quality of the story in the fourth episode; this is the kind of writing you'd expect from an anime rated in the 5 to 7 range at best, not 8+. Label it however you want, but it isn't just overblown expectations to blame here. |
| Disliked? Until a couple of weeks ago, people were asking something like "why does everyone love this so much" lol. |
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| I love all the characters, people hate all the popular things xD |
| I find it hilarious how people who dislike the show give arguments as to why they dislike it, like SSL443 who gives detailed analysis in the episode threads, and yet people who like the show are STILL like "they hate because it's popular". Everything is hate apparently, even if you explain why you dislike a show, you're a hater lmao |
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| Cause it's a promotional Cashgrab - and those are always met with some criticism ....and rightly so, since there is arguably no heart in (most of) these story's. All it's meant to be doing is promote and sell the Mobile Game. And it is doing so by looking freakin' fantastic. I don't think this would work if the Animation wasn't so crisp, which feels like we're meant to be tricked in some way. Don't know. I'd much rather prefer it the other way around: It looking okay, but with a good and intruiging storyline attached to it. Maybe it's just the Music Genre for me, tho. Can't really get into these sort of "Music will save us all, because it's so beautiful" - kinda Show's. It looks great. But I am indeed feeling like Im following a seasonal Mobile Game Story. And that's kinda weird... |
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| I like how the rating is just decreasing but step aside that, it's quite boring indeed but it's not a worst either as the story is 'supposedly' interesting but there's something bland, idk what it's, but it just makes you fall in your sleep at some point that's all. |
CQLLIST said: I like how the rating is just decreasing but step aside that, it's quite boring indeed but it's not a worst either as the story is 'supposedly' interesting but there's something bland, idk what it's, but it just makes you fall in your sleep at some point that's all. It's because, while the premise and setting are interesting, there is no tension or real conflict in the story that demands some kind of immediate resolution or action. Without tension or stakes there's no drama, and without drama it becomes boring. The only real drama has been what happened to Cosette, but it seems like the main cast have just kind of stopped caring about that. Everything else has been very contrived and borderline comical. |
| It's not! There are just some plebs that think that everything should be as what they imagine and try VERY HARD to make people believe in what they like/want. If you ignore those "wannabe the almighty true" and see the nrs on the stats you will see the obvious: People like this show, no matter what those lunatics say or not! |
| For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations. |
RobertBobert said: Disliked? Until a couple of weeks ago, people were asking something like "why does everyone love this so much" lol. And that's the 1st symptom of hate, people wondering why others aren't like them and like what they don't like. Hate start as a mere dislike, after that it will grow further if it would contradict your dislike by the likes of many. It always ends up in a matter of a "fight" where the people that like it will enjoy it no matter what the other would say, and people that (now) hate it will dislike the others liking it and make it continue big/popular, increasing the "hate". Look, there's no turnaround on this... morons (because those guys are morons) cannot accept that people have different tastes, and, for some reason, since a couple of years ago the nr of those morons has been increasing (and not just here). The best you can do is literally do your life as always, enjoying, comment that you enjoy (like always), and keep doing the same. Those guys will always be reported because they pass the line very often, treads spreading hate will be shut down very soon and reviews (especially new ones, from those couple of years till now) will decrease credibility and the show will continue to be good/bad no matter what they try. Ignore them! It's the best you can do for you, for the anime, and for them. They only want attention, don't give it to them! |
| For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations. |
r_justo said: And that's the 1st symptom of hate, people wondering why others aren't like them and like what they don't like. Not really. People were asking that because the prevailing sentiment towards the show was at odds to the actual quality of the production. Turns out, it was a valid question, as evidenced by the steady drop in rating, now that people have started to see past the crisp animation to the tawdry reality concealed beneath. |
SSL443 said: r_justo said: And that's the 1st symptom of hate, people wondering why others aren't like them and like what they don't like. Not really. People were asking that because the prevailing sentiment towards the show was at odds to the actual quality of the production. Turns out, it was a valid question, as evidenced by the steady drop in rating, now that people have started to see past the crisp animation to the tawdry reality concealed beneath. I'm VERY SURE!! that you can reach the answer by yourself! But if that's not the case here it goes: I'm talking in general cases! Not this anime, or that anime, but in general cases! I don't know how, or why do you think that doing a comment to contradict a basic thing that happens in every show that has some type of hate, it's good or worth whatsoever, but here you have it! That's what the "hate" is, literally cannot stand that people have different opinions and do different comments on a diversity of subjects... Always have some random bs to say, normally a bad/meaningless one... |
| For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations. |
r_justo said: I'm VERY SURE!! that you can reach the answer by yourself! But if that's not the case here it goes: Not really. I found the responses quite enlightening, although not entirely unexpected. And questioning why others like different things is not really a symptom of "hate." In fact, I'd say "hate" is more of a dismissive attitude towards a show, and that dismissive people generally don't care about the feelings of others, pretty much by definition. If anything, you're just as hard-headed in toxic your own thinking as the people you call "haters" and "morons." Kinda ironic. |
SSL443 said: r_justo said: I'm VERY SURE!! that you can reach the answer by yourself! But if that's not the case here it goes: Not really. I found the responses quite enlightening, although not entirely unexpected. And questioning why others like different things is not really a symptom of "hate." In fact, I'd say "hate" is more of a dismissive attitude towards a show, and that dismissive people generally don't care about the feelings of others, pretty much by definition. If anything, you're just as hard-headed in toxic your own thinking as the people you call "haters" and "morons." Kinda ironic. That is also not quite bad for some person to say... but I'm still right here, because! The ones that I'm referring to are indeed morons! The thing that you are missing is... I'm not calling you a moron... because I'm not saying that you are a hater, despite you showing the same symptoms as them. You are identifying yourself as one by my definition, and by my definition those guys are morons, and because you are identifying yourself as one very similar, you think I'm calling you a moron... Well, news for you! You only call it yourself. My hands are clean over here! The ones I defined are morons, they literally go to every chat and even create chats to spread "hate" and pick up "fights". If you think that is redirected to you... it's because you see it that way (the only possible explanation, I never saw your person like that). My advice (that I'm pretty sure that you will not care about)... just look a little bit for your doings and to why that comment directed at the "haters" hit you soo much when you were not supposed to be the target. Other than that, have a fine day! It's the end of my birthday and this does not deserve my time (even if it was not my birthday). See you around! |
| For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations. |
r_justo said: That is also not quite bad for some person to say... but I'm still right here, because! The ones that I'm referring to are indeed morons! The thing that you are missing is... I'm not calling you a moron... because I'm not saying that you are a hater, despite you showing the same symptoms as them. You are identifying yourself as one by my definition, and by my definition those guys are morons, and because you are identifying yourself as one very similar, you think I'm calling you a moron... Well, news for you! You only call it yourself. My hands are clean over here! The ones I defined are morons, they literally go to every chat and even create chats to spread "hate" and pick up "fights". If you think that is redirected to you... it's because you see it that way (the only possible explanation, I never saw your person like that). My advice (that I'm pretty sure that you will not care about)... just look a little bit for your doings and to why that comment directed at the "haters" hit you soo much when you were not supposed to be the target. Other than that, have a fine day! It's the end of my birthday and this does not deserve my time (even if it was not my birthday). See you around! I don't actually think it is directed at me. What I do think is that you are tilting at windmills, and generally seem overexcited at your own exaggerated idea of "haters" in the community. |
SSL443 said: What I do think is that you are tilting at windmills, and generally seem overexcited at your own exaggerated idea of "haters" in the community. Wow... Someone hadn't experience with them... I see... You know that "haters" do exist in this community, don't you? And "haters" are morons... There's no escape from that definition neither... Why do I say that? Experience. This show has nothing of that, yet! But "popular" shows (or made popular by the hate) has them. And I found them in any type of show! From isekai to slice of life, from wholesome to ecchi, from short to those very long ones. I heard comments that ranged (in the same subject, although not always the same anime) both ends from the "same" guys. For example, the new "master" subject plot, reincarnation... I heard in a very wholesome anime that the guy (now a kid) cannot hang out with other kids AND cannot hang out with adults... AND when some kind of "romance" so to speak happens (that early age "likes" that young ones normally have) the thing became even worse, both sides of the island clash... upon the middle... It was like they didn't even knew the existence of each other, the guy was purely not allowed to exist at all... and this was a WHOLESOME show!! But the same happens in many others: Uzaki, Nagatoro, Kanojo mo Kanojo; but also in action: Shield Hero, Mushoku, Goblin Slayer, Edens zero, Genjitsu Shugi Yuusha no Oukoku Saikenki... if we talk about Redo of Healer then... And now the Isekai best assassin... And we had in wholesome shows, like: Isekai ni Tsukurou Drugstore, Kami-tachi ni Hirowareta Otoko, and now this Banished from the Hero's Party is starting to have some guys in it too (but nothing big, hopefully, it will remain calm, the show only has little more than 15k users, doesn't need much attention xD) Those guys exist and their arguments (easily counter) does not make sense, they push from the south the same way they push from the north, what is best to destroy the set anime/character is what they use, AND when people just leave them by and only enjoy the show, they will CREATE threads to spread the hate! The last time was with the Isekai best assassin anime, they created and invaded 2 threads to the point of the mods deleted those and (probably) adverted the users that "spread the hate" to be "calm" with what they are trying to do (because they ceased in doing that for a while). A thing that you seem to be confused about is the term "hater"... Hater is not the one that hates, it's the one that spreads willingly the hate. I also did hate an anime, Munou na Nana. It was more than dislike, the anime was so stupid and easily solved that it threw out any sense of reason for it to exist... But at ep 2 I was done, and followed by the good words of GLaDOS at the end of Portal 2 and "The best solution to a problem is usually the easiest one"... "Just go! It's been fun, don't come back!" and I dropped, gave a note that most resemble what I thought of the show and "gooooo!" and I never come back (and never will). Did not spread the hate, and surely wasn't there every time a new ep appears just to dislike it in every chat! And oh did I have arguments to dislike it!! But spreading hate to downgrade something (like cancel culture) is moronish!! And I will not do it!! Principles, man! Principles! Now if you did not found those guys yet... well... that only means that you aren't very active (which I doubt because I'm not very active neither), or you had a very lucky experience in MAL so far!! And that's FANTASTIC!!! But it does not give you reason to literally say "overexcited at your own exaggerated idea of "haters" in the community" or "you're just as hard-headed in your own thinking as the people you call "haters" and " morons."" when it seems that you never paid attention to what happens around here for the past 2 years or soo... Another way option is for you to be on the "other" side. Wich is biased to say that as well, just a conflict of opinions of one of the sides that is target within my experienced opinion... Wich, mind you again, I never saw your person like that, just a hypothesis, ok? |
r_justoNov 5, 2021 1:34 AM
| For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations. |
| I would flip the question around in all honesty. Why is this show so liked? The characters arent fun or interesting, I dont care about them in the slightest, which kinda makes the fights much worse for it. Plus I feel like there isnt really much interesting stuff thats gonna happen plot wise, feels pretty generic so far. I dont hate Takt, it's a 6/10 for me but I do hate that it outshines other good shows this season like Sakugan or the Irina Vampire anime but I guess thats pretty much with every season. |
| lmao overall score was still 7.79, you kidding me? |
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Hero_Luka said: I would flip the question around in all honesty. Why is this show so liked? It was popular only due to studios and now that hype is gone, dumbasses who overhyped it gone silent, haters are now voicing their overly critical opinons over this mediocre show. |
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HikariShoumeiron said: I find it hilarious how people who dislike the show give arguments as to why they dislike it, like SSL443 who gives detailed analysis in the episode threads, and yet people who like the show are STILL like "they hate because it's popular". Everything is hate apparently, even if you explain why you dislike a show, you're a hater lmao IKR. At this point you can only conclude they are robots/trolls/kids |
| I think, because people expect more, especially in the story. Remember, this project was approved by 2 anime studios that have great popularity. So don't be surprised if people have high expectations and expect a lot. But among them, this expectation was not exceeded and made them very disappointed. |
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