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is Mari x Shinji good?
Aug 14, 2021 7:12 PM
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thoughts on Mari the 40-50 years old MILF of Shinji? Eva Curse is literally Eternal Youth, i say im fine with it since new life means new waifu too

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Aug 14, 2021 7:18 PM
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how about become a mother and lover at the same time ?

Also f**k off Asuka.
Aug 14, 2021 7:19 PM
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I think they did it to end the “waifu wars” that the show is known for. I even asked my friend if they have watched Eva and they said “no but I know people fight over asuka and rei”
Aug 14, 2021 7:22 PM
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Wdtm86 said:
how about become a mother and lover at the same time ?


thats exactly what Mari is to Shinji imo
Aug 14, 2021 8:01 PM
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Honestly if Shinji were to hook up with Rei or Asuka, don’t you think that would’ve been too predictable? Also it ended the war between Asuka and Rei.
Aug 14, 2021 8:02 PM
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Jontayy said:
I think they did it to end the “waifu wars” that the show is known for. I even asked my friend if they have watched Eva and they said “no but I know people fight over asuka and rei”


Which is kind of ridiculous because Rebuild was already well on its way to doing that by downplaying Asuka's relationship with Shinji in favor of Rei. So sticking with Rei would have made for a definitive canon just like having him end up with Asuka or with Mari or Misato or whoever. Having him end up with Mari doesn't "end" the waifu wars because people will still be arguing who he "should" be with. It just determines who the canon couple is and adds another name to the debate.
Aug 14, 2021 8:07 PM
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literally_boba said:
Honestly if Shinji were to hook up with Rei or Asuka, don’t you think that would’ve been too predictable? Also it ended the war between Asuka and Rei.


If by "predictable" you mean "following the basic laws of narrative by slowly developing towards something over the course of the story instead of throwing in a twist at the last minute that isn't properly built up" then yes it would have been too predictable.
Aug 15, 2021 1:35 AM
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Honestly it’s the worst possible ship but it’s an absolute Chad move by Anno and I love it.
Aug 15, 2021 3:55 AM
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deg said:
Wdtm86 said:
how about become a mother and lover at the same time ?


thats exactly what Mari is to Shinji imo
anno is shinji and his wife is mari, if people knew that then they’d understand why shinji and mari got together, his love with asuka just died out
Aug 15, 2021 7:03 AM

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teeuzumaki said:



anno is shinji and his wife is mari


so Shinji X Mari represent Anno and this wife?

i hear that the first time, interesting...
have you a link to the source for me?
Aug 15, 2021 7:21 AM

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I gotta admit that was spot on description of NGE romantic subplot. And a very classy way to make a joke of waifu wars.

I'll forget the movie in a couple of days, but that one line will probably make me chuckle for years to come.
Aug 15, 2021 11:31 PM
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Shinji ending up with a romantic partner was just totally unnecessary in general, not every anime does the character need to end up with someone, especially evangelion, and especially not with Mari whom he had next to 0 chemistry with throughout the entire series (aside from her like shoving her tits in his face, fan service crap ??). that ending was dogshit
Aug 15, 2021 11:58 PM

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The point about the mother not a lover is Anno telling us the reason why Asuka and Shinji would not end together. Both of those scarred individuals need nurturing relationships, not a battle of wills and passion.

Mari was indeed a weird choice, but for a man as intense and obsessed with detail as Anno, not a random one. I disagree with those who claim that he just wanted to tell otaku to f**k off with the shipping. He very much projected what his wife Moyoco is to him onto her. A positive, uplifting influence that took care of him when he was at his lowest and chose to stick to him no matter what.
Aug 16, 2021 1:35 AM
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Caraculiambro said:
The point about the mother not a lover is Anno telling us the reason why Asuka and Shinji would not end together. Both of those scarred individuals need nurturing relationships, not a battle of wills and passion.

Mari was indeed a weird choice, but for a man as intense and obsessed with detail as Anno, not a random one. I disagree with those who claim that he just wanted to tell otaku to f**k off with the shipping. He very much projected what his wife Moyoco is to him onto her. A positive, uplifting influence that took care of him when he was at his lowest and chose to stick to him no matter what.


How is Rei not a nurturing influence? All of 2.22 was about her trying to take care of Shinji and make him happy, and this aspect of her is why she was such a driving force in Shinji's character arc throughout the franchise.
Aug 16, 2021 2:39 AM

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she is not a 50 year old milf in the end, in the manga and the rebuilds she is a lebian in love with yui. Mari is a random hot teen girl in the last scene on 3.0 + 1.0
Aug 16, 2021 3:43 AM
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animu007 said:
teeuzumaki said:



anno is shinji and his wife is mari


so Shinji X Mari represent Anno and this wife?

i hear that the first time, interesting...
have you a link to the source for me?
There is a documentary on NHK. Anno’s wife talks about how she got to rescue him in a really low point at his depression and so Anno said Mari was made inspired by his wife and Shinji’s emotions are his emotions.
Aug 16, 2021 4:25 AM
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MugenNoShirayuki said:
Caraculiambro said:
The point about the mother not a lover is Anno telling us the reason why Asuka and Shinji would not end together. Both of those scarred individuals need nurturing relationships, not a battle of wills and passion.

Mari was indeed a weird choice, but for a man as intense and obsessed with detail as Anno, not a random one. I disagree with those who claim that he just wanted to tell otaku to f**k off with the shipping. He very much projected what his wife Moyoco is to him onto her. A positive, uplifting influence that took care of him when he was at his lowest and chose to stick to him no matter what.


How is Rei not a nurturing influence? All of 2.22 was about her trying to take care of Shinji and make him happy, and this aspect of her is why she was such a driving force in Shinji's character arc throughout the franchise.


Dude, Rei is the clone of his mother. Anything with him ending up with her is immensely creepy.
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Aug 16, 2021 9:44 AM
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Farabeuf said:
MugenNoShirayuki said:


How is Rei not a nurturing influence? All of 2.22 was about her trying to take care of Shinji and make him happy, and this aspect of her is why she was such a driving force in Shinji's character arc throughout the franchise.


Dude, Rei is the clone of his mother. Anything with him ending up with her is immensely creepy.


Rei Ayanami is Rei Ayanami. Her soul is her own, it isn't a copy of Yui's. Evangelion has established that repeatedly.
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literally_boba said:
Honestly if Shinji were to hook up with Rei or Asuka, don’t you think that would’ve been too predictable? Also it ended the war between Asuka and Rei.


I agree with you!!!
Aug 16, 2021 11:35 AM

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opheliaaaaa said:
Shinji ending up with a romantic partner was just totally unnecessary in general, not every anime does the character need to end up with someone, especially evangelion, and especially not with Mari whom he had next to 0 chemistry with throughout the entire series (aside from her like shoving her tits in his face, fan service crap ??). that ending was dogshit


imo Shinji ending with someone makes perfect sense, as his father tells in the movie before meeting Shinji's mother he only wanted to be alone, this relationship helped him grew a lot as a person/human and we can see this reflected to Shinji as well in the end. Unfortunately I was expecting a Shinji x Asuka, as I never cared too much for Mari character (as this is partially because they didn't add her much development time in these movies, at least in this last one she got a little bit more developed).
Aug 16, 2021 12:29 PM
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MugenNoShirayuki said:
Farabeuf said:


Dude, Rei is the clone of his mother. Anything with him ending up with her is immensely creepy.


Rei Ayanami is Rei Ayanami. Her soul is her own, it isn't a copy of Yui's. Evangelion has established that repeatedly.


But her body is. And that's enough for 99,9% of people.
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There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov

Aug 16, 2021 2:16 PM
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Farabeuf said:
MugenNoShirayuki said:


Rei Ayanami is Rei Ayanami. Her soul is her own, it isn't a copy of Yui's. Evangelion has established that repeatedly.


But her body is. And that's enough for 99,9% of people.


No it isn't. She was created in a new body in this new world, one that by definition cannot be a clone of Yui by the rules of reality that Shinji created.
Aug 17, 2021 11:44 AM
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Asuka is more of a brat than him
Aug 17, 2021 12:12 PM
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MugenNoShirayuki said:
Farabeuf said:


But her body is. And that's enough for 99,9% of people.


No it isn't. She was created in a new body in this new world, one that by definition cannot be a clone of Yui by the rules of reality that Shinji created.
MugenNoShirayuki said:
Farabeuf said:


But her body is. And that's enough for 99,9% of people.


No it isn't. She was created in a new body in this new world, one that by definition cannot be a clone of Yui by the rules of reality that Shinji created.


Sigh, I get it. You ship didn't sail and you're frustrated. Try to appreciate what Anno-san was trying to do here instead of being so frustrated about it. Rei got a wonderful sendoff: The scenes with her in the village learning to live life on her own terms without the Ikari-boys was some of the most wonderful and rewarding scenes in all of Evangelion since 1995. And in the new world she gets to have a fresh start as a complete human being.
"Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii

There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov

Aug 17, 2021 2:41 PM
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Farabeuf said:
MugenNoShirayuki said:


No it isn't. She was created in a new body in this new world, one that by definition cannot be a clone of Yui by the rules of reality that Shinji created.
MugenNoShirayuki said:


No it isn't. She was created in a new body in this new world, one that by definition cannot be a clone of Yui by the rules of reality that Shinji created.


Sigh, I get it. You ship didn't sail and you're frustrated. Try to appreciate what Anno-san was trying to do here instead of being so frustrated about it. Rei got a wonderful sendoff: The scenes with her in the village learning to live life on her own terms without the Ikari-boys was some of the most wonderful and rewarding scenes in all of Evangelion since 1995. And in the new world she gets to have a fresh start as a complete human being.


No, that was Rei Q. "Rei Ayanami" remained in Unit 1 for 14 years.

And I don't give credit for what creators "try" to do. I assess what they create from the lens of a sensical narrative, and on that metric this movie completely fails.
Aug 18, 2021 5:42 AM
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MugenNoShirayuki said:
Farabeuf said:


Sigh, I get it. You ship didn't sail and you're frustrated. Try to appreciate what Anno-san was trying to do here instead of being so frustrated about it. Rei got a wonderful sendoff: The scenes with her in the village learning to live life on her own terms without the Ikari-boys was some of the most wonderful and rewarding scenes in all of Evangelion since 1995. And in the new world she gets to have a fresh start as a complete human being.


No, that was Rei Q. "Rei Ayanami" remained in Unit 1 for 14 years.

And I don't give credit for what creators "try" to do. I assess what they create from the lens of a sensical narrative, and on that metric this movie completely fails.


That's of course your opinion and you're by all means entitled to it. Interesting discussion.
"Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii

There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov

Aug 18, 2021 6:02 AM
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It's just Char's counterattack and zeta gundam over again.
Char wanted a lover and also someone who fulfilled a motherly role char: "lalah could have been like a mother to me, you took away her life so don't you dare judge me."
the same happened with Kamille bidan in zeta, his mother complex is what carries most of his actions, romantic relationships and friendships (Emma sheen and Reccoa londe)"I know I'm not man enough for you but I can protect you over anything else" this to Reccoa londe who was a mother-like figure."

So probably this is the same someone has to fulfill that role, Mari makes no sense either so why was she the chosen one? There's no reason and I don't care the movie had other problems like going against NGE's message with because shinji rewrote reality that's fucking escapism..
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opheliaaaaa said:
Shinji ending up with a romantic partner was just totally unnecessary in general, not every anime does the character need to end up with someone, especially evangelion, and especially not with Mari whom he had next to 0 chemistry with throughout the entire series (aside from her like shoving her tits in his face, fan service crap ??). that ending was dogshit

Dawww, lemme lend you my chest so you can cry on.
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MugenNoShirayuki said:
Farabeuf said:


Sigh, I get it. You ship didn't sail and you're frustrated. Try to appreciate what Anno-san was trying to do here instead of being so frustrated about it. Rei got a wonderful sendoff: The scenes with her in the village learning to live life on her own terms without the Ikari-boys was some of the most wonderful and rewarding scenes in all of Evangelion since 1995. And in the new world she gets to have a fresh start as a complete human being.


No, that was Rei Q. "Rei Ayanami" remained in Unit 1 for 14 years.

And I don't give credit for what creators "try" to do. I assess what they create from the lens of a sensical narrative, and on that metric this movie completely fails.

Dawww, lemme lend you my chest so you can cry on (2)
Aug 18, 2021 10:12 AM
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MugenNoShirayuki said:
literally_boba said:
Honestly if Shinji were to hook up with Rei or Asuka, don’t you think that would’ve been too predictable? Also it ended the war between Asuka and Rei.


If by "predictable" you mean "following the basic laws of narrative by slowly developing towards something over the course of the story instead of throwing in a twist at the last minute that isn't properly built up" then yes it would have been too predictable.

Yes, it would of been too predictable, cry harder.
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He should have ended with Kaworu he is the biggest person that he loved
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As much as I adore Shinji and Asuka as separate characters, I'm glad they didn't end up together. They admitted that they liked each other in the end, which was indeed sweet, but I just don't see them being a very good fit. Imo, she needs someone who's stronger and mature and can put her in her place since she tends to be quite arrogant in her behavior, and he needs someone who's a bit softer and understanding. If he ends up with Mari, good for him, as long as he's happy!
I don't really ship anyone in Evangelion, even though I do like Shinji x Kaworu together and would've been fine with them being endgame, I don't mind Mari as a potential partner at all. As long as it's not Asuka. Tbh seeing her with Kensuke at first was kind of weird, but they grew on me!

That ending was amazing ♡ Anno is definitely in peace with the series (and himself) and it showed.

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