Well I can't say too much but I was very proud of myself for getting in. The initial training went well and everyone loved me and I loved them. There was diversity so I felt comfortable. I won a trophy for the field training by the end of the first phase. But when I went to the second phase of my training the cracks began to show. I was far from home in a place where I was the only black person. (and it stayed that way until a week before I left when finally another black person arrived). People would treat me funny and look at me funny and there was alot of ignorance. If anybody ever saw another black person within some 40 miles they would assume that it was me even though I hadn't left base lol. And racist people who call me the N-word in town and try to fight me then when I call the police everyone assumes that I got arrested and I have to explain myself. And then when a white girl comes to my table and kisses me out of the blue in a pub or starts dancing on me at a club all the guys there who aren't from base and looking at me like they want me dead. I carried on doing well in my job when it came to actually doing the work and in my fitness and hobbies but slowly I began to distance myself form everyone because too many people couldn't be trusted, especially on nights out. And when I shared secrets with people or if something happened rumours would fly around within hours. I was also frustrated because things were up and down with my girl and our flat back in the city. Then we got a cat and there were more issues and it was at this point that she insisted that I cut off my female friends from school, college and uni including my ex that I lost my virginity to when I was 16 who was also my first love. Eventually we had a big break up for a year and a half and I threw myself into Destiny and became a clan leader in the Destiny community on the bungie forums. I was also playing Ultra Street Fighter 4 and various Call of Duty games. I started to watch anime and buy figurines and for some reason they kept drug testing me at work. But I wasn't doing any drugs I was exercising, playing video games and hooking up to cope. They were very unfair with my whenever there was an issue or whenever I had a grievance. I just felt so out of place and I felt like people didn't want to accept that I have an entirely different background to them. They just wanted me to assimilate their customs while they mock or disregard mine. So I was the guy who was popular because I stood out in so many ways but at the same time it seemed that people wanted to make sure that I was kept down so I left. A few friends and allies tried to convince me to stay including a few of the higher ups but too much had happened and they couldn't sway me. Too many betrayals and injustices. I knew by then that we are not really brothers in arms and they don't really have my back or my best interests at heart. I really put my everything into this career opportunity but I was so badly let down. Before I joined the military I would practice the piano every day but that sadly came to an end aswell. |
GenshinRosariaJul 13, 2021 7:24 AM
| i was born in the first year (1986) that military service was made not mandatory any more in the place i live in. It probably would have been a better experience overall than the actual year of unemployment passed after high school graduation... even i was afraid after my relatives experience that i would have been "forced" to start smoking and similar stuff |
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| Why would anyone willingly join the military where you follow orders to contribute to killing people for reasons you never are actually fully aware of? Just look at history, released secret documents and leaked government documents if you want to know what really goes on behind the scenes. |
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| Conscription is this september. I'll probably forget to update this post though. |
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traed said: Why would anyone willingly join the military where you follow orders to contribute to killing people for reasons you never are actually fully aware of? Just look at history, released secret documents and leaked government documents if you want to know what really goes on behind the scenes. I wasn't trained to kill I was trained to protect. Trained to use lethal force as an absolute last resort. The military has the same job opportunities as a civilian. Not all roles are killing roles. If a superior issues an unlawful order it should be ignored. |
KaiserWilhelm_II said: For those of you who enlisted, wether it was mandatory or not, how did you like it there? Or did you dislike it? Many of my teachers and relatives told stories about their time in the armed services, sometimes really silly ones. I was never planning to join the armed forces after school but several classmates and former classmates did. So I was wondering about the question above. I signed up for 3 years in the US army in 2000 as a Mechanized Infantry soldier.I liked the training and most of the people served with. I got to spend a year in South Korea, couple weeks in the Mojave desert, about a year and a half in Fort Hood Texas, Basic Training and AIT in Fort Benning Ga. Got to shoot machine guns and assault rifles(actual assault rifles, not what anti-gun faggots in the media call assault rifles). Got to throw some hand grenades and with train with C-4. Got to drive Humvee, LMTV trucks, M113A3 armored personnel carriers and Bradly Fighting vehicles. Go to do urban combat training which is really fun. Probably would have been more fun it had furniture in it to add more realism to it. When I did field training in South Korea a little old lady was allowed to follow us around and run a diner out of a tent.Which was a nice break from the MREs and field chow. Its where I discovered my love for instant Korean Ramen. I seen packaged Korean ramen before in the commissary before in the states but never gave it a second thought before being stationed in South Korea. Also while I was stationed in Korea professional photographer named Mr Kim followed us around during training and took photos and sold pictures to us.He did black and white photos if you wanted. So that was nice to have something to hold to friends and family. Got to meet people from Spain, Canada, Haiti, Philippines, Micronesia, and other countries. Got to live and work alongside Korean soldiers called KATUSAs. Went to basic training with Buddhist monk who was cover neck to toe with hank poked tattoos. There was also a sense of brotherhood and camaraderie that you didn't have at a civilian job. I didn't care for the hurry up and wait. Which is where they order you to be somewhere at a certain time and you have to show up ten minutes and wait maybe up to 30 minutes or more for whatever it is you are supposed to do. I also hated the Hey You details.Thats where with no prior notification usually during your time off for a work detail.Which supposedly is banned on some army posts. I also hated the countless inspections. I also hated some non-commissioned officer nitpicking over your uniform and boots as though he was the host for the Queer Eye for the Straight Guy show.I also hated the fact that your ability as a soldier was judged on how well pressed your uniform is and how polished your boots are regardless if you did those things yourself or paid someone else to do them for you. This standard never seemed to apply to commissioned officers, who in my opinion should be setting the example for everyone to follow. I also hate the fact that if you were low ranking and messed up then they didn't mind punishing you in front of everyone. But if you had enough rank and screwed up then your punishment was done discretely. Probably why a lot of people don't reenlist when their contract expires. But that may have been just fact it was infantry or the unit itself. I probably would have had a different experience if I was in other units or maybe a different MOS. Looking back at all of it I kind of do wish I would have reenlisted and tried a different MOS. But at the same time I would have missed time with my family if I stayed in the military. |
ezikialrageJul 13, 2021 11:25 AM
| unfortunately I didn't get the chance, I would have loved to shoot guns, guns are cool. I actually wanted to get a job in the militaty back in 2017 but I missed the exam period, so the meant that I would have to wait to much to get a chance to get in so I just went for a civilian job. |
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SomeRandomNerd said: SemillaMinoria said: If a superior issues an unlawful order it should be ignored. Could you ignore it though? Might you risk getting some sort of disciplinary action? https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-orders-3332819 Lawful Orders Military members failing to obey lawful orders issued by their superiors risk serious consequences. Article 90 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) outlines the crime of willful disobedience by a military member a superior commissioned officer. Article 91 covers willful disobedience of a superior Noncommissioned or Warrant Officer. Article 92 conveys what constitutes the crime of disobedience of any lawful order (the disobedience does not have to be "willful" under this article). These articles require the obedience of LAWFUL orders. Not only should an unlawful order not be obeyed, obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders. "I Was Only Following Orders. " "I was only following orders," has been unsuccessfully used as a legal defense in hundreds of cases (probably most notably by Nazi leaders at the Nuremberg tribunals following World War II). The first recorded case of a United States Military officer using the "I was only following orders" defense dates back to 1799. During the War with France, Congress passed a law making it permissible to seize ships bound for any French Port. However, when President John Adams wrote the authorization order, he wrote that U.S. Navy ships were authorized to seize any vessel bound for a French port, or traveling from a French port. Pursuant to the President's instructions, a U.S. Navy captain seized a Danish Ship (the Flying Fish), which was en route from a French Port. The owners of the ship sued the Navy captain in U.S. Maritime Court for trespass. They won, and the United States Supreme Court upheld the decision. The U.S. Supreme Court held that Navy commanders "act at their own peril" when obeying presidential orders when such orders are illegal. The Vietnam War presented the United States military courts with more cases of the "I was only following orders" defense than any previous conflict. The decisions during these cases reaffirmed that following manifestly illegal orders is not a viable defense from criminal prosecution. In United States v. Keenan, the accused (Keenan) was found guilty of murder after he obeyed an order to shoot and kill an elderly Vietnamese citizen. The Court of Military Appeals held that "the justification for acts done pursuant to orders does not exist if the order was of such a nature that a man of ordinary sense and understanding would know it to be illegal." (Interestingly, the soldier who gave Keenan the order, Corporal Luczko, was acquitted by reason of insanity). Probably the most famous case of the "I was only following orders" defense was the court-martial of First Lieutenant William Calley for his part in the My Lai Massacre on March 16, 1968. The military court rejected Calley's argument of obeying the order of his superiors. On March 29, 1971, Calley was convicted of premeditated murder and sentenced to life in prison. However, the public outcry in the United States following this highly-publicized, controversial trial was such that President Nixon granted him clemency. Calley wound up spending 3 1/2 years under house arrest at Fort Benning, Georgia, where a federal judge ultimately ordered his release. In 2004, the military began court-martials of several military members deployed to Iraq for mistreating prisoners and detainees. Several members claimed that they were only following the orders of military intelligence officials. Unfortunately (for them), that defense doesn't fly. The maltreatment of prisoners is a crime under both international law and the Uniform Code of Military Justice |
| I never enlisted in the military and have no plans to enlist, but I have a friend that is currently in the military and he seems to like it there. Though I have to mention unlike the US he does not have to go war zones for now. |
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SomeRandomNerd said: ezikialrage said: https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-orders-3332819 Lawful Orders Military members failing to obey lawful orders issued by their superiors risk serious consequences. Article 90 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) outlines the crime of willful disobedience by a military member a superior commissioned officer. Article 91 covers willful disobedience of a superior Noncommissioned or Warrant Officer. Article 92 conveys what constitutes the crime of disobedience of any lawful order (the disobedience does not have to be "willful" under this article). These articles require the obedience of LAWFUL orders. Not only should an unlawful order not be obeyed, obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders. "I Was Only Following Orders. " "I was only following orders," has been unsuccessfully used as a legal defense in hundreds of cases (probably most notably by Nazi leaders at the Nuremberg tribunals following World War II). The first recorded case of a United States Military officer using the "I was only following orders" defense dates back to 1799. During the War with France, Congress passed a law making it permissible to seize ships bound for any French Port. However, when President John Adams wrote the authorization order, he wrote that U.S. Navy ships were authorized to seize any vessel bound for a French port, or traveling from a French port. Pursuant to the President's instructions, a U.S. Navy captain seized a Danish Ship (the Flying Fish), which was en route from a French Port. The owners of the ship sued the Navy captain in U.S. Maritime Court for trespass. They won, and the United States Supreme Court upheld the decision. The U.S. Supreme Court held that Navy commanders "act at their own peril" when obeying presidential orders when such orders are illegal. The Vietnam War presented the United States military courts with more cases of the "I was only following orders" defense than any previous conflict. The decisions during these cases reaffirmed that following manifestly illegal orders is not a viable defense from criminal prosecution. In United States v. Keenan, the accused (Keenan) was found guilty of murder after he obeyed an order to shoot and kill an elderly Vietnamese citizen. The Court of Military Appeals held that "the justification for acts done pursuant to orders does not exist if the order was of such a nature that a man of ordinary sense and understanding would know it to be illegal." (Interestingly, the soldier who gave Keenan the order, Corporal Luczko, was acquitted by reason of insanity). Probably the most famous case of the "I was only following orders" defense was the court-martial of First Lieutenant William Calley for his part in the My Lai Massacre on March 16, 1968. The military court rejected Calley's argument of obeying the order of his superiors. On March 29, 1971, Calley was convicted of premeditated murder and sentenced to life in prison. However, the public outcry in the United States following this highly-publicized, controversial trial was such that President Nixon granted him clemency. Calley wound up spending 3 1/2 years under house arrest at Fort Benning, Georgia, where a federal judge ultimately ordered his release. In 2004, the military began court-martials of several military members deployed to Iraq for mistreating prisoners and detainees. Several members claimed that they were only following the orders of military intelligence officials. Unfortunately (for them), that defense doesn't fly. The maltreatment of prisoners is a crime under both international law and the Uniform Code of Military Justice What I am curious about is how much are these laws enforced? If your superior orders you to do something illegal, what would happen if you refuse? Would you risk getting disciplined? Could you report your superior to his superior? What if his superior sides with him instead of you? I am not an expert on expert on laws pertaining the military and war, but, from what I have read, many of the wars fought by the US military in recent years are illegal. Despite these wars being illegal, the military carries on with them anyways. That gives me reason to think that laws pertaining to the military and war are often not enforced, and thus soldiers may often be compelled to break them. If a command is obviously illegal then nothing happens if you refuse to obey it. Just because you or some anti-military weenie says a war is illegal doesn't make it that war illegal. |
SemillaMinoria said: traed said: Why would anyone willingly join the military where you follow orders to contribute to killing people for reasons you never are actually fully aware of? Just look at history, released secret documents and leaked government documents if you want to know what really goes on behind the scenes. I wasn't trained to kill I was trained to protect. Trained to use lethal force as an absolute last resort. The military has the same job opportunities as a civilian. Not all roles are killing roles. If a superior issues an unlawful order it should be ignored. I said contribute. That doesn't necessarily mean killing someone yourself directly. For example someone with a programming job helping programming armed drones is obviously contributing to the deaths those drones cause. If you are shipping supplies somewhere they can contain weapons which the use of needs no explaining. It's not all equal responsibility it can vary. Also "to protect" is literally what they say for every combat and war. It's always the claim even from the aggressors. |
traedJul 13, 2021 6:38 PM
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SomeRandomNerd said: ezikialrage said: If a command is obviously illegal then nothing happens if you refuse to obey it. What is stopping your superior from punishing you for not following it? Just because you or some anti-military weenie says a war is illegal doesn't make it that war illegal. It's not just me or "some anti-military weenie". I'll give you some sources on the illegality of some recent wars. If your superior orders you to do something blatantly illegal and you refuse then there is not much your superior can do. He can't court martial you over refusing to obey an illegal order. Those are not valid sources on whether a war is legal or not. Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria were a legal wars. Anti-war weenies claiming they weren't and misinterpreting things here and there does not make those wars illegal. You really shouldn't get your information from anti-war weenie websites and groups. |
| @ezikialrage Woah you really did it all! Thanks for sharing that info on unlawful orders too. traed said: SemillaMinoria said: I wasn't trained to kill I was trained to protect. Trained to use lethal force as an absolute last resort. The military has the same job opportunities as a civilian. Not all roles are killing roles. If a superior issues an unlawful order it should be ignored. I said contribute. That doesn't necessarily mean killing someone yourself directly. For example someone with a programming job helping programming armed drones is obviously contributing to the deaths those drones cause. If you are shipping supplies somewhere they can contain weapons which the use of needs no explaining. It's not all equal responsibility it can vary. Also "to protect" is literally what they say for every combat and war. It's always the claim even from the aggressors. My mistake, I didn't see that when I replied. I wasn't in a role that contributes to that. I didn't agree with what was happening in Libya at the time. Though my work had nothing to do with that. There isn't much more I can say than that. |
GenshinRosariaJul 14, 2021 6:21 AM
SomeRandomNerd said: How do you know this? What if his superior told him to tell you to do something illegal? What exactly do you do when your superior gives you an illegal order? You still have not provided clarification here. If your commanding officer gives you an obvious illegal order then you refuse to obey it and you tell him why. "I was following orders" is not a valid defense in the military for obeying unlawful orders. For example if your commanding officer for example told you to drive through the motor pool gate.You tell him no. Because if you do obey his order then you will be charged with destruction of property, trespassing and other crimes. Calling anyone who says something negative about a war an "anti-war weenie" is not a valid argument. Admittedly the source for Afghanistan was an antiwar activist source, but the second two sources were academic sources. Now if you want to refute any of the claims in my sources and/or prove that one or all of the listed wars were, in fact, legal, then feel free to do so. Anti-war weenie websites are not valid and neither are academics since they are infested with anti-military trash. So to them about every war is illegal.So their opinion is irrelevant. Using a anti-war weenie's opinion about the legality of wars is like using white supremacist websites regarding the subject of black people. Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria are not illegal wars. |
SemillaMinoria said: My mistake, I didn't see that when I replied. I wasn't in a role that contributes to that. I didn't agree with what was happening in Libya at the time. Though my work had nothing to do with that. There isn't much more I can say than that. My original point included how you often don't actually know the real reasons something is being done you just have to follow orders and believe what your told which often can be false information. |
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traed said: SemillaMinoria said: My mistake, I didn't see that when I replied. I wasn't in a role that contributes to that. I didn't agree with what was happening in Libya at the time. Though my work had nothing to do with that. There isn't much more I can say than that. My original point included how you often don't actually know the real reasons something is being done you just have to follow orders and believe what your told which often can be false information. That’s true. However i didn’t know anything about the military before I joined. I just wanted a career that I could be proud of and wanted to serve the country in a positive way without hurting anyone. But once I was in I started to see that there was a lot more to it and I didn’t agree with many of the views of my peers. At least I didn’t do anything in there that I have to feel guilty about. |
| @Baleful-Midnight you had a real bittersweet experience but it sounds like you've learned so much from it too. I hope that you can adjust back to civvy life without too many issues. |
| You can sign up for a military education for many other reason than “mindlessly follow orders and go to war”, which is the stereotypical perception of the military, especially in some contries. However, it can also give you many other oportunities in other fields of work and education. In my case, I enlisted in the military in 2018, needed a change of pace after high school, to start my military education. Got thrown into a room of 11 guys, 2 minutes to unpack, say hello to your fellow roomates, change into a green overall suit, and report back to the courtyard to await further instructions. 6 months later I finished my education and served as a royal guard for 4 months. Overall, it was a very positive experience. As you’re living at the barracks, you get quite familiar with your roomates and make some great friends. Don’t get me wrong though, it was 6 tough months including ice water training, 100 km walks, no food for days etc. After my time in the military, I applied to a university. However, my grades didn’t quite live up to the requirements, so I didn’t think I’d be accepted. To my surprise, I did end up getting accpeted into the university. Usually a military education is regarded as ‘work experience’ on your university application, but a military education tends to give a little more sway than working at mcdonals, when listing what other experience you have, other than academical. :) |
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