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Jul 1, 2021 6:10 AM
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I plan to binge watch this and Gou after Sotsu finishes airing. I have watched up to Higurashi Kai. Do I need to watch umineko anime to understand Gou and Sotsu? No spoilers please
Jul 1, 2021 6:15 AM
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Idk but i heard Umineko adaptation is terrible.
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Jul 1, 2021 6:17 AM
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You don’t need to watch Umineko.

Umineko’s anime isn’t that great either, it’s left unresolved (the opening song is really good though! You should listen to that!)

I still need to play Umineko to understand all the references but if you want some idea of references made in Higurashi, as well as know what characters the community of fans talk about, watching Umineko might help with that.
Jul 1, 2021 6:20 AM
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Nope :)))) no need for umineko
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Jul 1, 2021 6:21 AM
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Umineko is basically another series in the same universe , so you don’t need to watch it


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Jul 1, 2021 6:33 AM
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No, but I’d recommend watching Rei before you start bingeing
Jul 1, 2021 6:37 AM
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katharsis_3173 said:
I plan to binge watch this and Gou after Sotsu finishes airing. I have watched up to Higurashi Kai. Do I need to watch umineko anime to understand Gou and Sotsu? No spoilers please


No you don't. Umineko is a standalone work but set in the same universe as Higurashi.
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Jul 1, 2021 6:38 AM
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According to Ryukishi in a recent interview, the entire WTC connects very fittingly the way he constructed in his head, and therefore people who knows of these well can further connect some nods. But that's about it, all individual entries (he basically referred Gou/Sotsu as one) should be treated as a solvable standalone mystery that doesn't really require you to get into anything else.

Gou/Sotsu spoilered the OG Higu experience for that sake, basically, so it's recommended for you to watch that first unless you just want to watch Gou/Sotsu for example. Otherwise you will just have the OG recapped in Gou anyway and you will miss out on the main entry many surprises. But you really don't even need to watch/read that to get into Gou and Sotsu, but you will miss out some awesome mystery forever, and that's why fans recommend not doing so from the start.
Jul 1, 2021 6:46 AM
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H1GHLANDER360 said:
katharsis_3173 said:
I plan to binge watch this and Gou after Sotsu finishes airing. I have watched up to Higurashi Kai. Do I need to watch umineko anime to understand Gou and Sotsu? No spoilers please


No you don't. Umineko is a standalone work.
it’s actually set in the same universe
Jul 1, 2021 6:48 AM
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katharsis_3173 said:
I plan to binge watch this and Gou after Sotsu finishes airing. I have watched up to Higurashi Kai. Do I need to watch umineko anime to understand Gou and Sotsu? No spoilers please
I have read that Umineko is very related to Gou and Sotsu but reading Umineko is not that mandatory to understand the plot, you can do what I will do: today I am going to start watching Sotsu and later in this month I will start reading Umineko no Naku Koro Ni and yes, DON'T WATCH the anime of Umineko, read the manga (8 parts), I have read amazing things about it.
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Rixtertrixter said:
H1GHLANDER360 said:


No you don't. Umineko is a standalone work.
it’s actually set in the same universe


Same universe, but different timeline. WTC is like TM essentially. Might as well clarify that.
Jul 1, 2021 6:52 AM
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H1GHLANDER360 said:
Rixtertrixter said:
it’s actually set in the same universe


Same universe, but different timeline. WTC is like TM essentially. Might as well clarify that.
actually it’s set in the same universe same timeline, once you read umineko and figure out how the world of fragments work you will understand
Jul 1, 2021 7:05 AM
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I would strongly recommend reading Umineko before watching Gou and Sotsu as that will change your understanding as to the significance of what is happening here. From a Higurashi-only perpsective, I think there's a lot more that isn't that clear. That being said, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's explicitly required.

And to be honest, I wouldn't even recommend watching the Higurashi anime before Higurashi Gou and Sotsu, let alone the Umineko anime (which is apparently even worse). The Higurashi anime cut 60-70% of the VN's content and changed the genre of the story from mystery to horror. I'd at the very least suggest reading the Higurashi VN first.
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Sharingan123412 said:
I would strongly recommend reading Umineko before watching Gou and Sotsu as that will change your understanding as to the significance of what is happening here. From a Higurashi-only perpsective, I think there's a lot more that isn't that clear. That being said, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's explicitly required.

And to be honest, I wouldn't even recommend watching the Higurashi anime before Higurashi Gou and Sotsu, let alone the Umineko anime (which is apparently even worse). The Higurashi anime cut 60-70% of the VN's content and changed the genre of the story from mystery to horror. I'd at the very least suggest reading the Higurashi VN first.


Does the Higurashi Manga adapt the VN faithfully?
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Rixtertrixter said:
H1GHLANDER360 said:


Same universe, but different timeline. WTC is like TM essentially. Might as well clarify that.
actually it’s set in the same universe same timeline, once you read umineko and figure out how the world of fragments work you will understand


I have read Umineko and its one of my favorite works lol. I put into like 100+ hours of it on my Steam profile combining both of my Question and Answer arc sessions. The official localization of Higurashi VNs weren't fully finished at the time.

To be honest I recommend starting with Higurashi first before leaning onto Umineko. Umineko is a VERY long series whereas Higurashi is split into different arcs separately.

Umineko is a high recommend for me.


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katharsis_3173 said:
Sharingan123412 said:
I would strongly recommend reading Umineko before watching Gou and Sotsu as that will change your understanding as to the significance of what is happening here. From a Higurashi-only perpsective, I think there's a lot more that isn't that clear. That being said, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's explicitly required.

And to be honest, I wouldn't even recommend watching the Higurashi anime before Higurashi Gou and Sotsu, let alone the Umineko anime (which is apparently even worse). The Higurashi anime cut 60-70% of the VN's content and changed the genre of the story from mystery to horror. I'd at the very least suggest reading the Higurashi VN first.


Does the Higurashi Manga adapt the VN faithfully?


I hear tons of positive things about Umineko's manga.
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katharsis_3173 said:
Sharingan123412 said:
I would strongly recommend reading Umineko before watching Gou and Sotsu as that will change your understanding as to the significance of what is happening here. From a Higurashi-only perpsective, I think there's a lot more that isn't that clear. That being said, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's explicitly required.

And to be honest, I wouldn't even recommend watching the Higurashi anime before Higurashi Gou and Sotsu, let alone the Umineko anime (which is apparently even worse). The Higurashi anime cut 60-70% of the VN's content and changed the genre of the story from mystery to horror. I'd at the very least suggest reading the Higurashi VN first.


Does the Higurashi Manga adapt the VN faithfully?


The Higurashi manga isn't amazing but it's better than the anime at the very least. However, it's still jamming maybe an 80-hour long VN into 25 volumes so it's definitely far from ideal. But if you're pushed for time and can't finish the VN in time, then you might wanna read the manga.
Jul 1, 2021 12:26 PM

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NO you don't need to read/watch Umineko for Higurashi, anyone telling you otherwise is a dirty liar.
Jul 1, 2021 12:35 PM
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Turak said:
NO you don't need to read/watch Umineko for Higurashi, anyone telling you otherwise is a dirty liar.


https://myanimelist.net/character/36061/Featherine_Augustus_Aurora

I noticed this is an umineko character. Does higurashi properly introduce her without spoiling umineko?
Jul 1, 2021 1:04 PM

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katharsis_3173 said:
Turak said:
NO you don't need to read/watch Umineko for Higurashi, anyone telling you otherwise is a dirty liar.


https://myanimelist.net/character/36061/Featherine_Augustus_Aurora

I noticed this is an umineko character. Does higurashi properly introduce her without spoiling umineko?

Uhh she's dressed differently and isn't actually named Featherine in Gou. In fact, she doesn't have a name at all and doesn't reference any events or characters from Umineko. Not sure if this anwsers your question.
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Turak said:
katharsis_3173 said:


https://myanimelist.net/character/36061/Featherine_Augustus_Aurora

I noticed this is an umineko character. Does higurashi properly introduce her without spoiling umineko?

Uhh she's dressed differently and isn't actually named Featherine in Gou. In fact, she doesn't have a name at all and doesn't reference any events or characters from Umineko. Not sure if this anwsers your question.


Not to mention that she isn't even in the Umineko anime adaptation.
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Higurashi Gou drops alot of hints that it has connections to Umineko. If you want to get into Umineko, don't watch the anime. It's terrible and only does the first half of the story. The Visual Novel is the best way to experience Umineo. It's fantastic, but it's one hell of a time commitment since it can take well over 100 hours to complete. I haven't read it but the Umineko manga is supposed to be pretty decent, but keep in mind that the manga is super long as well.
Jul 1, 2021 4:15 PM
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I've read till episode 7 of umineko's visual novel. I can certainly say that these two are surely unrelated, at far as understanding higurashi's plot is concerned, but having read umineko, it's legit fun to theorize about the connection between the two universes, as some characters look far too similar, both in terms of looks + personalities + the dynamics between certain characters etc. Not to mention one character literally appears in both the series.
One more thing, whatever you do, stay away from umineko's anime, that thing is atrocious.
Jul 3, 2021 10:39 AM
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The Umineko manga is great, VN people will downplay it because it removes the mystery aspect. It's also a way faster way into getting into Umineko's story.

I tried watching the anime first and dropped it after 9 episodes but the manga blew me away.

The author is hinting at some connections, but no you dont need to read it to understand Gou/Sotsu. Although I would say now is probably the best time to get into Umineko if you are into Higurashi anyways.

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Idk but i heard Umineko adaptation is terrible.


Trust me, more than terrible.
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DoctorKebab said:
Okeanix said:
Idk but i heard Umineko adaptation is terrible.


Trust me, more than terrible.

Wait, there's no Umineko adaptation yet, wdym?
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Si1verR0se said:
DoctorKebab said:


Trust me, more than terrible.

Wait, there's no Umineko adaptation yet, wdym?


Even tho they made a terrible adaption they made the best opening.

Jul 11, 2021 6:41 AM
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DoctorKebab said:
Si1verR0se said:

Wait, there's no Umineko adaptation yet, wdym?


Even tho they made a terrible adaption they made the best opening.


It was the same composer\singer as OP for Umineko VNs.
I guess if Deen would've finished Umineko adaptaion, it wouldn't get that much of hate. I mean, it's not finished, so many peoples don't understand a thing.
Imagine if Passione will CONTINUE where Deen's left, now that's would be fun(I mean, they did kinda the same with Higu)
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You can read the Umineko manga. It's very faithful, and Ryuukishi considers it the definitive version of Umineko, so nothing wrong with going with that.

If you are reading the VN, Check out Umineko Project for the best Umineko experience.
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Si1verR0se said:
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Even tho they made a terrible adaption they made the best opening.



It was the same composer\singer as OP for Umineko VNs.
I guess if Deen would've finished Umineko adaptaion, it wouldn't get that much of hate. I mean, it's not finished, so many peoples don't understand a thing.
Imagine if Passione will CONTINUE where Deen's left, now that's would be fun(I mean, they did kinda the same with Higu)



Pasione can't continue where deen's left because its soo terribly adaptated.
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I just dont see Passione doing the work to adapt the entirety of Umineko. To put so many resources to a long anime that may or may not succeed seems like a poor financial decision.

I mean what are we looking at 48+ eps with the coherency and attention to detail that fans expect. Tons of characters and a somewhat complicated setting.

Deen's Umineko rushed things too quickly as well, so things like red truths never left that much of an impact, like they did in the VN. It just turns into blur near the end.

Maybe Gou and Sotsu will convince a bigger Studio to take a look at Umineko?

I can see them continuing the OG, but Deen's Umineko ran so fast that is ran out of buildup near the end, so I wonder if Chiru will have a satisfying impact.

A friend of mine got into WTC through Deens Umineko. He had read the steam VNs when they released. One of the things he said was how the mystery left so litle impact on him in the anime. The red and blue became meaningless and blent together in the anime while in the VN they felt more solid.

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No, watching Umineko is not mandatory. The stories just share the same universe with Umineko expanding it. The anime adaption, which the fans say does not exist, is actually pretty bad. Don't even try, it's a waste of time.

Thing is hat both Gou and Sotsu try to bring Umineko and even Ciconia to the table. It is in no way mandatory for you to know what happens in these series but if you do you'll be able to understand most of the references made by both the fans and the anime itself.

If you got the time and want to know more about Umineko you can either read the VN or you could go with the manga adaption which is actually very good and faithful to the source material. The story of Uminekos is a great piece of fiction after all.
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A Story will always come to it's end. The thing is, will you move on after it's over?
Jul 12, 2021 9:48 AM
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You meed the Umineko game to understand who gave Satoko her powers.
Jul 12, 2021 9:49 AM
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As of right now, not really. Though that might change depending on how sotsu concludes




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katharsis_3173 said:
I plan to binge watch this and Gou after Sotsu finishes airing. I have watched up to Higurashi Kai. Do I need to watch umineko anime to understand Gou and Sotsu? No spoilers please


No! But also yes... It's complicated...
If you have the base knowledge of umineko characters and traits (and also a little of the story itself) you are up to date and don't need it. Otherwise... it could help a little, ngl.
For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations.
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you don't need to be familiar with umineko to understand gou/sotsu, but i've noticed that those who are familiar with it tend to enjoy it more than those who aren't. so while it's not required to understand the story, it might boost your enjoyment.
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you don't need to be familiar with umineko to understand gou/sotsu, but i've noticed that those who are familiar with it tend to enjoy it more than those who aren't. so while it's not required to understand the story, it might boost your enjoyment.


Which personal investment is a huge factor when enjoying either Higurashi or Umineko.

Purely an example... I started Higurashi 14 years ago to see if the cast could overcome their tragic fate. I started Umineko 10 years to see the rather stuck up high class cast wallow in their suffering and misery. It's all a matter of what YOU would personally be invested into watching, whether or not you'd just be disappointed or find exactly what you were looking for.

Also please skip Umineko anime go straight to manga or visual novel for best experience either way.
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As someone who's read both the Umineko VN and the manga, I'd say you need Umineko either way, because it's just that good!

One thing I haven't seen pointed out here is that despite the VN being, well, a VN, it also features absolutely phenomenal voice acting for all of its spoken lines, so it's more than just constant reading.
This requires a bit of tinkering with the installation (07th-Mod or Umineko Project) but is well worth the time.

As for understanding Higurashi Gou/Sotsu. No, it's not necessary. However, it will give you new, somewhat tangential perspectives on the characters and the setting. And as others said here, it's a time sink.

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