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I knew Horo would be sad after hearing abt her home , what i didnt expect was that she would go all berserk on Lawrence. And she put all those accusations on him. And she cried ;_;. and wtf was lawrence doing why didnt he say anything..........
It was a sad but awesome ep. 10/10!
I want to see what happens next I cant wait ONE WHOLE WEEK!!
can anyone explain what was Amati blabbering abt when he said that Horo was mistreated at the start of the ep, when and why would she say that?
Their fallout was pretty intense, I really found it interesting.
Now it's Lawrence's turn to struggle with collecting the necessary amount, deal with his "issue" with Horo and beat Amarti, with a little help from-
that story-teller and Horo
This arc should go on for 2 more episodes I think.
Good episode. In horo's state, nothing he said probably could have reached her anyway.
I don't see him accepting the contract as a bad thing really. If you think about it, horo would have done the same thing in his situation because it is the smart thing to do (theoretically easy money). She was fine with it before the potential news about her homeland came up.
Seriously though, unless the letter said something more concrete, would anyone really tell her that there is a rumor that some bear destroyed her homeland? It very well could just be some random legend.
I don't really blame the kid either. Unless he has some side game going (which doesnt seem likely), he sees horo as basically an indentured servent whom is being mistreated. he doesn't know their relationship goes beyond that and it is the other way around if anything. He also seems to like her which isn't surprising given that she is attractive and putting on her best "good girl act" for him. I do wonder how horo is going to explain the ears/tail though in her new plan as she can't very well go around in a hat all of the time.
canephalanx said: Heart-wrenching episode there. He should have took her on her offer to mate though.
Hardly, in that situation all that would have done is make the situation WAY worse. Besides, the translation is not clear whether that was a rhetorical question, aka "Would you even *consider* to mate with me". Given the flow of her dialog i'd say it was not a question to mate with her, but a question whether he would be at all considering it, and given that it was a rhetorical question (she was more speaking to herself than to him) she probably didn't want an answer to that in that moment anyway.
But yes, heart-wrenching indeed.. hardly any anime ever got me so stumped at the end of a single ep, and at ep 3 at that.
I never watch previews, so I really wonder how this will turn out. I can't see it having a 'bad ending' type of conclusion since we're too early in the anime and it would just make the anime lose it's plot; so I am expecting a good ending for this event. We'll just see how long it takes them to give it to us, and how much we'll have to suffer before that happens >:
He is a FANTASTIC antagonist, especially compared to some of those highly forgettable guys last season. A memorable character and a genuine challenge to Lawrence. Yes we all hate him but he's made to be disliked and he has certainly helped the huge improvement this season has going so far
Eh, calling him a fantastic antagonist even though he's not even the source of the current problems between Lawrence and Horo might be exaggerating. All he did was oppose Lawrence by telling him he will 'free' Horo. Suck for the HxL fans, but the timing was bad, and to release their hate they blame the little blondie.
Unless he will be a character throughout the entire season, he'll be most likely forgotten as much as the previous season's 'bad guys'.
Hakoria said: Eh, calling him a fantastic antagonist even though he's not even the source of the current problems between Lawrence and Horo might be exaggerating. All he did was oppose Lawrence by telling him he will 'free' Horo. Suck for the HxL fans, but the timing was bad, and to release their hate they blame the little blondie.
Unless he will be a character throughout the entire season, he'll be most likely forgotten as much as the previous season's 'bad guys'.
They actually have the girl that was playing the "bad guy" from the first season in the OP. I wonder if Amarti and her will meet and hook up :P.
I was not expecting that sudden change of attitude/mood in the last 5 minutes! Gosh my heart was racing the whole time lkgjlkjd and the previewwwww /dies I saw that preview before, it was in the preview of the series, but seeing it after this episode makes me even more angry ;______;
Really intense at the end. I'm a little bit confused about Yoitsu, did it burn down? A town? But isn't Horo from a forest or something? Actually, a lot of things in Spice and Wolf are confusing for me in general...
ZetaZeta said: Lawrence needs to use Geass on Horo, and fast.
ColdBeans said: The last third of this ep was intense. Horo flipping out was a highlight and did anyone notice how they made her eyes sort of stand out in the dark almost like they were glowing? Very nice effect.
I did, and was immediately impressed by it. That was one of the more effective and subtle effects I've seen used in anime lately. I got the sense at that moment that Lawrence was in very real danger and served as a reminder that he was completely alone in that room with a force of nature.
My Lovely Horo <//3
Why It was very sweet to see a crazyish Horo at the same time it is almost heart breaking! Lot more drama this season.
I don't know if I can wait for the next episode. Horo was a bit out of it in that end convo though can't blame her. Though still she might have over reacted a bit. Then again maybe it was the wolf part of her telling her to survive? Poor Lawrence.
Amazing performance from Horo's seiyuu on this ep. Tons of /a/ posts and long threads everywhere about this one. I acquired and read the light-novel from that point forward because the emotional cliffhanger was so powerful.
Seriously great storytelling. It feels like their entire relationship from season 1 ep 1 has come into play, and all the bumps in the road came back and reared their heads all at once. I'll finish this arc and see a little beyond it before bumping the show to a 10, but it's right up there.
What an amazing episode! *FTGT is happy and positively supercharged*
I think that really "unhinged" some jaws. XD
Hilarious, romantic, thrilling, sad... it had everything. Thats the very reason why I am an Anime-Fan in the first place.
Since I have read this part of the story from the novel translation I was eager to see it animated. And I have to say that I am more than pleased with the result. :D
I really enjoyed a lot of scenes, i.e.:
- Horo showing Lawrence her acting skills.
- The nice chat between them, for example when Horo was drunken,
Horo:"What is next?", Lawrence:"Next is bed!", Horo: "Will you be gentle with me?"
- How Horo managed to get around marks question what she will do after the debt is payed by Amati.
- The intense revelation of Horos feelings regarding her hometown and loneliness.
Three cheers for the director!
But although I am pleased, deep down I wish they would not have followed the novel so eagerly. Some slight changes would have been nice. As some people already pointed out, seeing Lawrence remain silent at such an important moment was really painful to watch. Personally I hoped for something like:
Lawrence tearing apart his clothes and screaming "YES, LETS MAKE WOLFBABIES", similar to this scene in "Anchorman". *jokingly* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmvbcMLxdrU
theeggman85 said: wolves have periods?
I LOLed :D
Time for some thoughts about the characters (no spoilers included. I just used the tags to organize the post. If you know the anime you can safely read on!)
Regarding Amatis behaviour:
Falatorx said:
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I don't really blame the kid either. Unless he has some side game going (which doesnt seem likely), he sees horo as basically an indentured servent whom is being mistreated. he doesn't know their relationship goes beyond that and it is the other way around if anything. He also seems to like her which isn't surprising given that she is attractive and putting on her best "good girl act" for him...
Absolutely. From my point of view, only very few of us would not fall for Horos charme and pranks. Who would not try to move heaven and earth in order to win Horos heart if she behaves like a "princess in danger"? And keep in mind that Amati is very young, gullible and not very popular among the woman in his town.
So when he fell in love, he knew that if he would not act as quickly as possible, his true love could have traveled on and be gone forever. And he never said something selfish like "I want to free Horo from her debt in order to marry her". He rather said "I want to pay Horos debt so that she is free and can decide if she wants to travel on or stay with me". Thus he is very honest and fair. So, personally I cant see any reason to really hate him.
Regarding Lawrence behaviour:
Charliehsv said:
Tamaki-san said:
Crimsonwill said:
Drama took over halfway through the episode, what is Lawrence doing?
Why the fuck do you blame Lawrence?
Because he's an idiot for walking out in the end. Yes, Horo stepped way out of line with what she said, but she did realize that herself. But instead of trying to patch things over he just walks away after she appologized, which is possibly the worst thing he could do. And it was retarded to keep the news about her Village to himself in the first place.
Falatorx said:
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In horo's state, nothing he said probably could have reached her anyway.
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Seriously though, unless the letter said something more concrete, would anyone really tell her that there is a rumor that some bear destroyed her homeland? It very well could just be some random legend.
I totally agree with Falatorx here. Lawrence heard about this "legend" as a child, so he was not even sure if it was actually Horos village that was mentioned. Therefore he didnt want to make Horo panic over some third-hand ancient rumours before getting reliable evidence to confirm them. Even the "druid lady" Deanna could not say for sure that those events she described definitely occurred.
In addition to that, when he came back into the room Horo was already broken up from reading the later. I think she had (at least) one hour to work herself up about it, thus there was not much Lawrence could do at that moment. Lawrence seems to understand this instinctively, and acted as if anything he said was potentially dangerous. Under such circumstances (Big mighty wolf god at the end of her tether), it is very natural for him to leave the room in order to not make things worse.
noteDhero said:
... Horo getting mad at Lawerence when she full well knows the truth (even if she didn't, she can sense it) about his intentions was beyond ridiculous to me.
I just really fail to see how Yoitsu is so important to her when she has clearly forgotten every detail about the place besides its name. Maybe there is a good reason for her amnesia, but right now, its gone totally unaddressed. Then she starts blabbing about having been alone when she really isn't, and then wanting a child, and I was just rolling my eyes. Very contrived.
Regarding Horos behaviour:
As noteDhero a lot of people (also in other forums) seem to be very surprised about Horos mental breakdown and some even say that this is totally out of character. But you have to consider the following:
- Her absolut major fear is to be alone and forgotten! Therefore she is nursing precisely that fear.
- After standing a long time to a contract with a village, she was betrayed by the villagers and had to leave the very place where people swear to worship and not forget her. Therefore she is clinging to the thought of returning to her old hometown in order to be reunited with her family and friends.
- She is not used to the human feelings, since she didnt took the shape of a human girl and havent had a lot of contact to others for several hundred years. Therefore she is sometimes overwhelmed by emotions (she tells this to Lawrence when she burst into tears after the sewer-scene in Season 1).
- Right before she receives the letter from Lawrence, he raises Horos hopes to find her hometown immense by telling her that he got more information about Yoitsus location and expects that the letter holds even more information.
- She is a female (they often tend to overreact). :P
Couple that with the fear that Lawrence, the only one she has opened up to in umpteen years, seem to try to get rid of her, and its pretty clear (at least for me) where her degenaration comes from. Having events turn out to match one's fears can not be very easy to handle, and Horo doesn't have any sort of release valve except her emotions.
And also Horos blabbing about being alone and wanting a child is quite understandable for me, since she knows that Lawrences lifetime is only a blink of an eye for her. So she will be alone again very soon. What Horo really needs is a friend of her own kind!
Someone she can spend a "goddess lifetime" with. Thats why she wished for a child.
By rewatching the episode I noticed this scene again. How did Horo manage to come out unharmed?
For those who considered FTGT's post tl;dr, here's a summary:
FTGT said: Regarding Horos behaviour:
- She is a female (they often tend to overreact). :P
You're very welcome!
(PS: Agree with FTGT's point, too bad it'll only be useful to feel better (common feeling when you work on a post of that size) and the only people who'd probably read it would already be aware of the arguments.
Hakoria said: For those who considered FTGT's post tl;dr, here's a summary:
FTGT said: Regarding Horos behaviour:
- She is a female (they often tend to overreact). :P
You're very welcome!
(PS: Agree with FTGT's point, too bad it'll only be useful to feel better (common feeling when you work on a post of that size) and the only people who'd probably read it would already be aware of the arguments.
Actually I wanted to say a little bit more than that, but thanks for trying to abstract my post. ;)
The fact that I know at least one person (you) read that (way too long) post is quite fine. As you have guessed, it was actually more for myself in order to "handle" my thoughts about the episode. I just needed to get the stuff out of my head...
Now Lawrence knows about the Holo/Horo's feelings... This will take a big turn...
Holo/Horo is alone on the world... She want a child :s She want resurrect the race...
AceSoldia said: Are all those spoiler thoughts based on your novel knowledge or just anime? I want to read them but I'm afraid of being spoiled.
They were purely related to the anime and didn't spoil anything (if you've watched the 3 episodes up until now, of course). I think the spoiler tags were mainly used to categorize his thoughts for each character more properly, and maybe so the post looks smaller.
AceSoldia said: Are all those spoiler thoughts based on your novel knowledge or just anime? I want to read them but I'm afraid of being spoiled.
They were purely related to the anime and didn't spoil anything (if you've watched the 3 episodes up until now, of course). I think the spoiler tags were mainly used to categorize his thoughts for each character more properly, and maybe so the post looks smaller.
Exactly! Anyone can read my post safely without getting spoiled. I left the manga and novel totally out of my thoughts.
The episode was almost perfect from beginning to end. Incredible chara/script developments and the direction and animation are just brilliant. Definitely oen or two levels over the first season, thank you Brains Base !
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Forever said: Very good episode. Finally some much needed twist in season 2, too.
It might have been a bit over the top for S&W, but you shouldn't disregard that her hometown is really really important for her. She dreams about it every night and this letter was a very big shock for her, so in my eyes it excuses her unlikely behaviour a bit.
& yes, that whole scene was like a JESUS LOU WEESUS INTENSE
Horo needs to chill... I think she thinks she's too wise and experienced so that whatever she says is and are. Although Lawrence is half at fault, Horo is just going over the top.
Why did I lay this episode off for two weeks? Now I have to play catch up.
sjak47 said: Horo needs to chill... I think she thinks she's too wise and experienced so that whatever she says is and are. Although Lawrence is half at fault, Horo is just going over the top.
FTGT said:
Regarding Horos behaviour:
As noteDhero a lot of people (also in other forums) seem to be very surprised about Horos mental breakdown and some even say that this is totally out of character. But you have to consider the following:
- Her absolut major fear is to be alone and forgotten! Therefore she is nursing precisely that fear.
- After standing a long time to a contract with a village, she was betrayed by the villagers and had to leave the very place where people swear to worship and not forget her. Therefore she is clinging to the thought of returning to her old hometown in order to be reunited with her family and friends.
- She is not used to the human feelings, since she didnt took the shape of a human girl and havent had a lot of contact to others for several hundred years. Therefore she is sometimes overwhelmed by emotions (she tells this to Lawrence when she burst into tears after the sewer-scene in Season 1).
- Right before she receives the letter from Lawrence, he raises Horos hopes to find her hometown immense by telling her that he got more information about Yoitsus location and expects that the letter holds even more information.
- She is a female (they often tend to overreact). :P
Couple that with the fear that Lawrence, the only one she has opened up to in umpteen years, seem to try to get rid of her, and its pretty clear (at least for me) where her degenaration comes from. Having events turn out to match one's fears can not be very easy to handle, and Horo doesn't have any sort of release valve except her emotions.
And also Horos blabbing about being alone and wanting a child is quite understandable for me, since she knows that Lawrences lifetime is only a blink of an eye for her. So she will be alone again very soon.
What Horo really needs is a friend of her own kind!
Someone she can spend a "goddess lifetime" with. Thats why she wished for a child.
I was NOT expecting that o.o;; oh, dear, Horo's lost it. I half expected her to try to kill him or something. I kept waiting and waiting for Lawrence to say something so they could make up but, no, he says nothing, only letting her thoughts get worse and worse, and then runs away T.T
I'd like for them to make up right away but the preview doesn't look too promising. This better not last too long or I'm gonna get annoyed.
I have to agree that while Holo's outburst was unexpected, her actions were hardly out of character. Her hometown is basically reported to have been destroyed (perhaps she is even aware of this bear spirit herself) and presumably along with it everyone she has known is dead. It's not surprising that she'd get upset about it; in fact, I think she was a little worried about such a thing happening, which is why she kept any memories of the town she may have had a secret from Lawrence (yes, kept secret, just like her ability to read): if it turned out that such was the truth, she wouldn't have to deal with it then, instead believing it was still there for her.
Add in the fact that she had probably a little too much to drink, and it's little wonder she flew off the handle.
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Omg Lawrence, you should have just accepted Horo's deal. Just mate with her because she's the last of the Yoitsu kind.
Very nice episode. Horo going nuts was really very dramatic. Not only that, this Amati guy has also been added into the problems that Lawrence is facing.
Lawrence is innocent though, right? I mean, he didn't know that Yoitsu is gone. He only knew it after he talked to the witch, right? Horo accusing Lawrence was also dramatic. :(
I didn't saw that ending was coming, and this is getting intense. Yandere Horo scene was awesome and I hope Lawrence can fix that problem, or he will lose Horo forever. After I watched this episode, I really need to watch the next episode now.
Was I really supposed to feel sorry for Horo? Protip: if you are "sorry", don't just let a guy like Lawrence walk out of the room like that. Just how does she think he'll interpret her inaction? If she doesn't chase after him, I'll lose all respect I had for her. Man, I really don't want to watch 2.5 episodes of "Angtsy Spice and no Wolf".
Also, lol at Lawrence and Amarty. Lawrence completely misses a huge and obvious Pyrite scheme while falling in love with Horo, and Amarty is just a naive and antisocial opportunist after all, relying on obvious schemes and bravado. I was really hoping for more, but it seems like he's just a convenient temporary wedge between Horo and Lawrence.
I thought her reaction was reasonable, even if she had a feeling, when you actually find out your town is gone I'm sure it would still hurt. It was difficult to see Horo freak out like that, but I think it was a great turning point for the series.
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