86 Episode 6 Discussion

BlichoBoy said:


Thank for bringing a separate anime to try to win the argument.Mr. Vinland 10 Mushoku 9.
Like plot armor is just shonen thing, exist fun armor and meh armors. This is latter.
Milize had the face to give a lecture to the military academy students and didn't get caught by the MP.Because she is so alone. She thought a lot the 86 situation, as genius with good education, she should at least have a manifesto.
The Republic must give ranks like lollipops.
Now I know what Shin is, just a damn Sasuke.Thank you.
So you are saying that is better the 86s kill themselves with a gun, letting the brain in the field to be used by the Legion, and a self-destruct wouldn't give more meaningful death because at least would take one Legion together and destroy the brain, impeding reuse by the Legion.

BlichoBoy said:


Thank for bringing a separate anime to try to win the argument.Mr. Vinland 10 Mushoku 9.
Like plot armor is just shonen thing, exist fun armor and meh armors. This is latter.
Milize had the face to give a lecture to the military academy students and didn't get caught by the MP.Because she is so alone. She thought a lot the 86 situation, as genius with good education, she should at least have a manifesto.
The Republic must give ranks like lollipops.
Now I know what Shin is, just a damn Sasuke.Thank you.
So you are saying that is better the 86s kill themselves with a gun, letting the brain in the field to be used by the Legion, and a self-destruct wouldn't give more meaningful death because at least would take one Legion together and destroy the brain, impeding reuse by the Legion.

BlichoBoy said:


Lecca died how? Shooting herself according to the episode.
From what I understood last episode the Legion harvest deceased 86 brain, to keep functioning.
And this "The LN this and LN that",just make so hard to even discuss the episode, with all these LN elitists.

VanishingKira said:
Two nameless (imo) 86s were killed this episode. Tragic, or it would be if I could atleast remember their names or any aspect of their character or characterization which I don't.

Still continued mixed feelings on this I love the parts where it shows the political intrigue of the Republic side of the war, but the 86 side needs to give me more so I actually care about the characters getting killed before they get killed.

Right now Lena and Shin are the only two characters I care about to some extent, and even then I can't say I find either of the two particularly noteworthy or likeable.

imSOunique said:
Haha, poor stupid [idk what's the name of the dude that died], only the MC Kirito can go charge at 10 enemies and get away unscratched. You just had any sort of screentime this episode, you should have been careful, that is a clear death flag in this anime.
Also some random girl died. Idk why am I supposed to care, I barely knew anything of them, they were just cardboard cutout background characters. I guess I should care just as much as other 86-s do: they don't give a shit.

imSOunique said:
I swear to God, silver-haired girl's cake is an MC now, it gets more screentime than any member of the 86-s.
But at least we got some character development for silver-haired girl, she's a cake enthusiastic, any time she's not working, she's eating cake.

imSOunique said:
Even fight scenes are bad, surely there are things shooting and jumping around, but we don't have a clue what's going on. From what we can see they are all just running around like headless chickens, without a strategy or plan, always fighting alone. Show some bird-eye view, even the silver-haired girl's crappy map, anything.

imSOunique said:
We got some Kirito backstory I really don't care about. It seems the big showdown will be between Kirito and a random robot that copied his brother's brain (who obviously blamed 5-year-old MC for all the evil in the world), very emotional :'( I'm crying in my pillow already.

UTMAN said:
This hit hard T.T

DamnThatsTheSpot said:


that is some very impressive attention to detail

aightbet said:
@UTMAN my man's +respect for breaking all that down sheeesh.

UTMAN said:


I mean what can I say? Pay attention? I mean I kinda can understand the girl part out of the two deceased characters she had the least screentime, but the dude? He was on screen a lot more.
Also 86-ers care, but after experiencing this 500+ times you get used to it. This is war, they are alive and life must go on. They can't focus on being sappy and sad because if they are not 100% focused the next one dying is them.
Also Kirito couldn't really do this charging in and shooting the enemy since episode 2.

UTMAN said:


Well she is more of a sweets enthusiasthis than cake. The topic what Anette and Lena were talking about was more important. You should pay attention to that rather than focusing on the cake.

UTMAN said:


Lol? Hw can I argue with this lol? I say they are not bad! 1-1
We had a bird eye view. So once again please pay attention. They are running around because they want to flank the enemy, since the legion outnumbers them 1:10. Usually their tactics are to lead them into a deadzone where they surround the enemy and basically shoot them. They got rained by artilery this time so it was way more difficult to do that. But this was said in the anime. Please pay attention.

UTMAN said:


Well i care about the backstory. So I guess 1-1 again? I Won! Lol.

Once again, what can I say? If you are that not interested in the characters then drop it. Lol. We are not holding a gun to your head so you have to watch it.

imSOunique said:
500+ times? How do we know that? In the anime they never showed the time, when they cared, so for all we know they never cared about their teammates dying. This burnt-out war veteran theme could be done so much better, than not at all, we are just to assume they are burnt out, but not once any of this is explored.

imSOunique said:
Ok, idk he might have been on the scene sometimes, but he never did anything noteworthy, we still didn't know anything about him.
It is seemingly becoming a trend, that when x background character seems to have a bit of focus, immediately they die (the same happened the first time a girl died). Like oh we put these characters on screen for multiple seconds and actually showed a bit of their characters, now the viewers are sure to cry their eyes out when they die in the very next battle.

imSOunique said:
"Also Kirito couldn't really do this charging in and shooting the enemy since episode 2."
Well, he's been doing it in ep 5. Please pay attention.

imSOunique said:
The cake was a whole lot more interesting than most they talked about. Sure they will dissect Kirito,,, when? From what we know, Kirito's powers are pretty much common knowledge. Like wasn't it enough that he already suicided a couple of handlers? They sure are patient.

imSOunique said:
Yeah, bird eye view of some artillery bullets hitting some forest. Do we understand where anybody is on the battlefield, what is their formation, tactic? No. How am I to know they are running because they want to flank? All I am seeing is somebody randomly running somewhere.
"Usually their tactics are to lead them into a deadzone where they surround the enemy and basically shoot them." This has never been explored in the anime, you may know cuz it might be in the LN.

imSOunique said:
It is just funny, that they explained in the episode when this thing was revealed, that the robots are just copying their brains to keep functioning, they would copy windows xp if that made them function longer. They are still just robots, not ghosts of the dead or anything, don't overthink it.
Then the big epic emotional showdown will be between Kirito and a robot running on 'dead onii-chan OS'.

imSOunique said:
Of course, 5-year-old MC is to blame for the death of his entire family. God forbid brother host even host a tiny bit of disregard of the Republic (since it driving them out on the battlefield as slaves is probably the core of his problems in life), no, everything is this shitty 5-year-old's fault, probably ate some chalk in the kindergarten or something.

StardustReverie said:
Who even are these people that just died? Isn't this the second time the black haired girl is dying?

Was it ever explained what reason these people have for defending white people anyway? Just take the mechs and leave

ThousandCuts said:
I don't even remember how Daiya died in the LN and I honestly didn't even expect the humanoid type legion to be introduced this early.

Bitter_Biscuit said:
I don't know if I'm alone in this but I'm struggling to memorise the names of characters. Had to check the characters page to know who died. they could've worked better on the character design tbh. Otherwise, great episode.

Kimurah said:
I guess I'm in the minority in this series not looking as the best war drama everyone keeps talking about.

This show should've definitely been produced with a 24 episode format from the get go, not just rushed 11 episodes. The neck braking speed in the story pace along with the now formulaic episode format is quite mindnumbing. Happy cheery buddy moments that only serve as obvious deathflags. A huge cast of support characters that are just cannon fodder for shock value in the highlight of every 2 or 3 episode mini arcs. Lenna and Shin feel like the only true characters and I really don't see anything appealing on them being such opposite extremes in personalities, a clumsy emotional and unexperienced commander and an unflinching edgy soldier that has killed so mor enemies than any other soldier in their ranks.

There's very little world building just for the sake of moving each character death forward. Lenna's commanders speak of a largue scal battle that should only last a couple of years despite analysis from 3rd parties that claim an even longer war. And yet we've know nothing about their enemies that allegedly started this war in order to adquire the lands. They are just no face big baddies that send their robotic legions to do the dirty work and still we have very little info on either locations (estrategic places taken or being defended) how do their mechs work and what classes can we expect in battle (yes I know that this particular episode displayed long range artillery mechs from both sides). The Legion forces feel completely hollow, like baddies from Strike Witches or Azur Lane kind of series.

tensai95 said:


A second cour has been confirmed already so it is kind of like a 24ep format.Also we're just past the 60% mark of the first volume so I'm not sure how much slower you'd anticipate it to get. This may be a war drama but it is still 'war' where anyone could be expected to drop at any moment so it isn't really about shock value here.

tensai95 said:

Also regarding the claims of a longer war and legion, the claims are only made from a one-person perspective, it's very easy to dismiss that kind of narrative given the situation, and the legion well, just take the current story as one perspective of it. Given the info from last week, it's entirely possible that there are more shepherds on other fronts.

Kimurah said:
I guess I'm in the minority in this series not looking as the best war drama everyone keeps talking about.

This show should've definitely been produced with a 24 episode format from the get go, not just rushed 11 episodes. The neck braking speed in the story pace along with the now formulaic episode format is quite mindnumbing. Happy cheery buddy moments that only serve as obvious deathflags. A huge cast of support characters that are just cannon fodder for shock value in the highlight of every 2 or 3 episode mini arcs. Lenna and Shin feel like the only true characters and I really don't see anything appealing on them being such opposite extremes in personalities, a clumsy emotional and unexperienced commander and an unflinching edgy soldier that has killed so mor enemies than any other soldier in their ranks.

There's very little world building just for the sake of moving each character death forward. Lenna's commanders speak of a largue scal battle that should only last a couple of years despite analysis from 3rd parties that claim an even longer war. And yet we've know nothing about their enemies that allegedly started this war in order to adquire the lands. They are just no face big baddies that send their robotic legions to do the dirty work and still we have very little info on either locations (estrategic places taken or being defended) how do their mechs work and what classes can we expect in battle (yes I know that this particular episode displayed long range artillery mechs from both sides). The Legion forces feel completely hollow, like baddies from Strike Witches or Azur Lane kind of series.

Kimurah said:


The almost nameless side character that hasn't had any substancial time under the spotlight serve just as that, cannon fodder, is what makes their death hollow and superficial just to "shock" lenna & Shin the actual main characters. They serve exactly for pure shock value.




Wich is exactly my point, that everything is just from the very short sighten perspective of Lenna's officers and there hasn't been any real side from the Legion aside them being big baddies. There's no difference between this and something like Azur Lane or Strike Witches with waifus looking cool killing brainless robotic mobs.

tensai95 said:

Ultimately it's going to be hard here to convince some of the peeps here on the supporting cast, but it is important to note that those who have died (on screen) has had some lingering effect and the remainder having to move on (kujo's chalkboard message, kaie's flowers, anju carrying the pot by herself and lecca not being around to play darts compared to episode 1)

UserAnonymous117 said:
Its split cour, 2nd cour will be on october this year so its not rushed, actually it was slow and 1 on 1 adaptation, bcoz the vol 1 is really long

UTMAN said:
In episode 5 he lured an enemy into a street where he started to do close range combat while the others supported him from the building roof. Episode 2 was a solo charge, episode 5 was a team play.

UTMAN said:
They don't know why the handlers go insane.

Kimurah said:


The almost nameless side character that hasn't had any substancial time under the spotlight serve just as that, cannon fodder, is what makes their death hollow and superficial just to "shock" lenna & Shin the actual main characters. They serve exactly for pure shock value.




Wich is exactly my point, that everything is just from the very short sighten perspective of Lenna's officers and there hasn't been any real side from the Legion aside them being big baddies. There's no difference between this and something like Azur Lane or Strike Witches with waifus looking cool killing brainless robotic mobs.

imSOunique said:

My point is that he's always in the nose of the enemy, and never gets a scratch (that's why I call him Kirito, you know the most typical OP, invulnerable character), meanwhile others are sniped from miles away. But well, it's an anime, plot armor is not the greatest sin ever.


Umm, the other girl at the cake eating just said they know? Even mentioned the MC.
Overall I find the anime to contradict itself way too much.

Anyway obviously my greatest problem with the anime, that I expected something totally different. A bit more complex story, morally gray characters, not just black and white. Also exploring more characters than just the 2 MC's would be nice.
We have this cool apocalyptic scenario basically with slavery, they could do more to explore the political situation, etc, but it only seems to be thrown in, so the anime looks less generic at first sight (maybe it is more explored in the future volumes of the LN, but the anime should be complete on its own), but we just have another "fight against a seemingly undefeatable enemy" anime.
All this is not necessarily bad, if you don't mind it, I was just expecting different.

Usually I kinda mean quite a bit else than you read out of it, so we seem to be talking by each other, still it was nice having a relatively civil conversation on this forum.

addie1998 said:

In my perspective the show didn't used their deaths for shock its just a matter of when and not if it's gonna happen.

addie1998 said:
And also we don't even wtf is happening outside san magnolia because of einstagflege communication jamming, contact to other countries is not possible.

tensai95 said:
I think you should just look at some anime-only youtubers who did their analysis on today's episode on their stance (Nate and Brandon).

Kimurah said:


Wich is why I called all those forgetable characters as just cattle. They are waiting for their day to be procesed in the slaughter house.

You don't see their deaths as shock value, but the vast majority do, and why a lot just cry for a character they get their backstory in the same one day they get murdered.




Yes, convenience writing on dumb characters that can't even point out where their elbows are. They could send out scout squads with bodyguard units to restablish communications with nearby regions. They can't just sit down on their hands and weather the storm for 2 whole years without depending on other neighbour countries. I highly doubt they can survive on their own without supplies or tech trade.



Literally who? Never heard of them, and most likely I don't care about their input.

Satyr_icon said:
A question for light novel readers:
Why do they eat fake food inside the city if there seems to be no shortage of food outside?
Why don't the 86 just run away? There doesn't seem to be anything holding them back, especially if they know the war will never end.