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Nov 6, 2009 1:57 PM
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First off before I even begin to discuss anything relation to my opinion:

There's actually numerous scientific mathematical equations that can be used to calculate the number of exact earth like planets in the Universe. The equation takes into account, sun distance and temperature, orbit speed, and land mass density which are the determining factors in whether or not an atmosphere made out of H20 or other moisture bearing elements can form. The number of other possible earth like planets is roughly a bit over 13,000 in the Universe IIRC. If anyone can point me to the name of the equation I'm talking about please do as I can't seem to remember it right now.

Some people also don't know this so I'll also state it: The elements that make up Water for example are present throughout the universe as they're on the periodic table. Hydrogen occurs very often, where as Oxygen less. However to prove the fact the conditions of life out there in the universe besides us can simply be proved by looking a polar region photograph of mars. Mars on the top, has an Ice cap. The question is: was there ever running water on mars. Running water would mean literally a 100% factual chance of their being life, because that means the temperature would have been between 0 and 100 Celsius at some point in time, a temperature where life can be sustained.

Now on to my Opinion:

Is there life out there besides us?
Yes. Shit tons of it. Is all of it as intelligent as us and is any of it even bipedal and/or humanoid? Yes, but much much less. After all look at us for example. We live and exist but is there any other life form on our own planet that has the same intelligence as us but looks and is completely and genetically different? No. The number of other intelligent beings in the universe is most likely significantly smaller than the other life forms. Our own planet is a small scale example of this. All of the earth is covered in life. However if you look at it this way, the center of the earth is a fiery cauldron of death. The outer portion of it which only makes up a small portion of it can be similar to comparing the relative number of life forms in the universe to the amount of vast regions where there is no life. In a way, the earth itself is a model of our universe. Stupid life forms on a micro bacterial level make up the 99.999999% amount of life on our planet. Where as that rest of it is only a minuscule fraction. At the same time, we are a mere microscopic dust particle on the earth with a small population of under 10 billion.

So what do you guys think? Please refrain from stupid responses such as "I don't believe in aliens" if you're not going to provide some intelligent back up to your reasoning. Doing this only further supports the fact that most intelligent people can understand the math and science involved towards proving the existence of life besides our planet in the universe.

I'm not posting a poll because it's just going to be abused.

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Nov 6, 2009 1:58 PM
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yes.
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Who knew this would come up. I think it's a bunch of bull.

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I've always gone with the simple argument that the universe is to big to not have some other form of life existing somewhere inside it. For us humans to think that our planet is special and we are the only ones is silly if you ask me.
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Yes I believe that there are another life form other that us.
because there are other galaxies other than the milky way and it is very much possible that there are other life form, others that can look just like us maybe we even evolved from there planet but then again I gotta see it to believe it so.....I still have my doubts
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Who knew this would come up. I think it's a bunch of bull.
Thanks for not reading the topic. Please don't reply in here again.

Alayah said:
Yes I believe that there are another life form other that us.
because there are other galaxies other than the milky way and it is very much possible that there are other life form, others that can look just like us maybe we even evolved from there planet but then again I gotta see it to believe it so.....I still have my doubts


Exactly. The sheer vast size of the universe is another good point.

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Vipey said:
Yuuki-Elle said:
Who knew this would come up. I think it's a bunch of bull.
Thanks for not reading the topic. Please don't reply in here again.


Not appreciated.

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I've always gone with the simple argument that the universe is to big to not have some other form of life existing somewhere inside it. For us humans to think that our planet is special and we are the only ones is silly if you ask me.


Same shit man, same shit. Universe is too large for there not to be other life. Your last sentence is the fucking truth as well.

Yuuki-Elle said:
Vipey said:
Yuuki-Elle said:
Who knew this would come up. I think it's a bunch of bull.
Thanks for not reading the topic. Please don't reply in here again.


Not appreciated.


"So what do you guys think? Please refrain from stupid responses such as "I don't believe in aliens" if you're not going to provide some intelligent back up to your reasoning. Doing this only further supports the fact that most intelligent people can understand the math and science involved towards proving the existence of life besides our planet in the universe.
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Yuuki-Elle said:
Who knew this would come up. I think it's a bunch of bull.


well then you live in a very small world
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Alayah said:
Yuuki-Elle said:
Who knew this would come up. I think it's a bunch of bull.


well then you live in a very small world
Precisely. Area 51 anyone? Weather ballon my ass. We're dropping nukes everywhere, of course the more advanced life forms are gonna wanna come to earth and check us out to see what the fuck we're doing. I'm guessing we never tapped into Nuclear Power and Fusion and are using it's full potential which is why visitations have died down since the last large world war.
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lol i even doubt bacterian evolved on this relative shortlived time planet, ofc where from some other planet where other live can have evolved.

oh and inb4 religious ppl start:
We evolved and adapted to the planet and thats why we can live here/ thats why we exist, not because some god created the earth to fit your needs.

now more important matters, my glass Captain morgans black rum is calling me again.... =D
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well then you live in a very small world Precisely. Area 51 anyone? Weather ballon my ass. We're dropping nukes everywhere, of course the more advanced life forms are gonna wanna come to earth and check us out to see what the fuck we're doing. I'm guessing we never tapped into Nuclear Power and Fusion and are using it's full potential which is why visitations have died down since the last large world war.

LOL you sound like a nerd but you have a very interesting way of seeing things
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Arcan said:
lol i even doubt bacterian evolved on this relative shortlived time planet, ofc where from some other planet where other live can have evolved.

oh and inb4 religious ppl start:
We evolved and adapted to the planet and thats why we can live here/ thats why we exist, not because some god created the earth to fit your needs.

now more important matters, my glass Captain morgans black rum is calling me again.... =D


Good valid point. Life could have came here from an asteroid and what not. Comets after all are large masses of ice.
Nov 6, 2009 2:12 PM

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GOD MAWDE THIS PLANET SPECIAL

WE'S GOD CREATION

HE WAS BORED AND MADE THE REAST OFF THE UNIVERSE FOR NO REASON.
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A-chan I am a nerd. For fucks sake it's my life dream to be a video game developer haha.
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GOD MAWDE THIS PLANET SPECIAL

WE'S GOD CREATION

HE WAS BORED AND MADE THE REAST OFF THE UNIVERSE FOR NO REASON.
Oh now that's just mean. XD

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I find it overwhelmingly likely, though I don't know yet. Huge universe, so no matter how low the odds are for life to develop, it grows overwhelmingly likely there is another one just due to the sheer size of it all. Heck, if we add in the not too bizarre assumption life doesn't need the same starting conditions and building blocks as us (say, silicon life or life developing in nebulae as some kind of sharks made out of stardust or what have you) the odds skyrocket again.

I wouldn't say I am certain though. After all, we do not undersatnd abiogenesis well yet, nor have we observed ET life.

The Fermi paradox is interesting though anthropomorphic; I see no reason other life should evolve to the same kind of intelligence as we.

UFOs (we had a thread on those a while back) and while I am certain there are UFOs in the very general meaning of the word, I think it's bizarre to assume they are aliens. Maybe it's Cthulhu shapeshifting or something.

edit: oh and bro, could you please edit instead of doublepost? Thanks.
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I saw that film E.T and it changed my life.

Also, yes.

I saw these UFOs in the sky last summer, next day it was on the front cover of every newspaper in the country. Surreal shit.
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Well, all that reading was too much for me, I'm lazy.

But, considering the nearly infinite number of planets out there, and only ONE has life? Yeah right. The odds are that there are many, MANY, more.
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StrangeBlackCat said:
GOD MAWDE THIS PLANET SPECIAL

WE'S GOD CREATION

HE WAS BORED AND MADE THE REAST OFF THE UNIVERSE FOR NO REASON.


Best explanation I can think of.

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GOD MAWDE THIS PLANET SPECIAL

WE'S GOD CREATION

HE WAS BORED AND MADE THE REAST OFF THE UNIVERSE FOR NO REASON.


I don't think that is true maybe he made us cuz we are special but made the rest for use to discover and want use to grow as individuals and ...IDK I am not making alot of sense but I hope you understand what i am trying to say
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Vipey (71.0% Female) said:
A-chan I am a nerd. For fucks sake it's my life dream to be a video game developer haha.
StrangeBlackCat said:
GOD MAWDE THIS PLANET SPECIAL

WE'S GOD CREATION

HE WAS BORED AND MADE THE REAST OFF THE UNIVERSE FOR NO REASON.
Oh now that's just mean. XD

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AND AS A FINISHING TOUCH...GOD CREATED THE DUTCH =D

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Yeah I definitely believe there is extraterrestrial life. To me I think it is the cockiest thing in the world to believe that we are so special, as to be the only planet in this vast galaxy, this vast universe, that is capable of supporting life? Utter bullshit.
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I find it overwhelmingly likely, though I don't know yet. Huge universe, so no matter how low the odds are for life to develop, it grows overwhelmingly likely there is another one just due to the sheer size of it all. Heck, if we add in the not too bizarre assumption life doesn't need the same starting conditions and building blocks as us (say, silicon life or life developing in nebulae as some kind of sharks made out of stardust or what have you) the odds skyrocket again.

I wouldn't say I am certain though. After all, we do not undersatnd abiogenesis well yet, nor have we observed ET life.

The Fermi paradox is interesting though anthropomorphic; I see no reason other life should evolve to the same kind of intelligence as we.

UFOs (we had a thread on those a while back) and while I am certain there are UFOs in the very general meaning of the word, I think it's bizarre to assume they are aliens. Maybe it's Cthulhu shapeshifting or something.

edit: oh and bro, could you please edit instead of doublepost? Thanks.


I'm so used to the other forums I post on automatically merging my post if I intetionally double post that i tend to forget MAL doesn't have that. Sorry man XD


And yea exactly again, the universe is SO vast it's just incredible. And exactly, who is to say and what science is there to say that the other life out there even lives off of oxygen. Hell it might live off of Einsteinium or some bizzare shit. Science, itself, is OUR science. A fraction of what the rest of the universe's science may or may not be.

I'm glad to see there actually is a large set of intelligent brains here on MAL.
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Yeah I definitely believe there is extraterrestrial life. To me I think it is the cockiest thing in the world to believe that we are so special, as to be the only planet in this vast galaxy, this vast universe, that is capable of supporting life? Utter bullshit.


My thoughts exactly.
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Yeah I definitely believe there is extraterrestrial life. To me I think it is the cockiest thing in the world to believe that we are so special, as to be the only planet in this vast galaxy, this vast universe, that is capable of supporting life? Utter bullshit.

Yes, it is very very cocky and IMO it's honestly immature. People just hopping on the bandwagon of what their friends or whatever may or may not say. People should think of themselves. FFS just take a look at the night sky out in the middle of the country or something. Mind fuck.
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Ever tought about this:

If there where to be contact with aliens they probebly would easy live long eneugh to make the trip, else it would be to much of an effort to make a trip that takes a few generations, there live span would probably be far greater then ours.

So assume they found a way to cheat death and live forever *due to science or whatever*.

If they can't die or revive themselfs at will, they wouldn't have a decent preservative on good/bad in relation to killing ppl.

now what does that spell for ya?
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Tsurayu said:
Yeah I definitely believe there is extraterrestrial life. To me I think it is the cockiest thing in the world to believe that we are so special, as to be the only planet in this vast galaxy, this vast universe, that is capable of supporting life? Utter bullshit.

Yes, it is very very cocky and IMO it's honestly immature. People just hopping on the bandwagon of what their friends or whatever may or may not say. People should think of themselves. FFS just take a look at the night sky out in the middle of the country or something. Mind fuck.


yea that is really a small way to think and made we are not special at all I saw alot of sc-fi movies (lol) and they seem like there more special than us with there really fancy gear
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I do believe, it is very likely - what's been said already, statistics are pro-aliens.
I can't be certain of course, but that's what belief is I guess.

What sucks is that it is rather unlikely we can find or contact any aliens, even if they exist.
First, there's the lightspeed barrier, which combined with the vastness of space makes it unfeasible for meaningful travel attempts.
Then, there's the very short probable span of existence of such a hypothetical intelligent species, which means that say, in our galaxy, there might have been dozens of intelligent species, just... not while we've been around, which is a tiny, tiny period of time.

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I think the most reason the common man disbelieves in aliens is because he think of E.T. or some crazy shit.. There could be another planet out there with life Exactly like ours..It doesn't have to be some superior lizard race come to harvest our nut sacks for their sexual aphrodisiacs
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Ever tought about this:

If there where to be contact with aliens they probebly would easy live long eneugh to make the trip, else it would be to much of an effort to make a trip that takes a few generations, there live span would probably be far greater then ours.

So assume they found a way to cheat death and live forever *due to science or whatever*.

If they can't die or revive themselfs at will, they wouldn't have a decent preservative on good/bad in relation to killing ppl.

now what does that spell for ya?


Hyperspace/Speed of Light Travel, ETC is also a probable way to get here. And yea most likely there is some incredibly advanced way to cheat death. Probably spar-ital space time manipulation where you can change the carbon dated age of an object or area with some kind of device or machine, in this instance, said sentient life form.
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Alayah ( Female) said:
Vipey said:
Tsurayu said:
Yeah I definitely believe there is extraterrestrial life. To me I think it is the cockiest thing in the world to believe that we are so special, as to be the only planet in this vast galaxy, this vast universe, that is capable of supporting life? Utter bullshit.

Yes, it is very very cocky and IMO it's honestly immature. People just hopping on the bandwagon of what their friends or whatever may or may not say. People should think of themselves. FFS just take a look at the night sky out in the middle of the country or something. Mind fuck.


yea that is really a small way to think and made we are not special at all I saw alot of sc-fi movies (lol) and they seem like there more special than us with there really fancy gear



Not really it would be similar like when the first Spaniards landed in what we now call America.
They would probebly bring new deceases and as you can see in history the less advanced ppl are likely to draw the short straw.
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Vipey (71.0% Female) said:
Arcan said:
Ever tought about this:
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now what does that spell for ya?


Hyperspace/Speed of Light Travel, ETC is also a probable way to get here. And yea most likely there is some incredibly advanced way to cheat death. Probably spar-ital space time manipulation where you can change the carbon dated age of an object or area with some kind of device or machine, in this instance, said sentient life form.


Like i said, they wouldn't have a frame of moral like ours, who say's killing stuff isn't there way of showing universal mercy?
To safe us from suffering there, expecting where gona face if we continue to evolve?
or whatever unknown reasoning you can think of ;)
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FFS who the hell knows. There might be flying dildo monsters in the universe noritorus for ripping off people's genitals and eating them and selling them on the black market, these flying dildo monsters just may be the most sought after race by the inter-galactic police council.
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Vipey said:
The number of other possible earth like planets is roughly a bit over 13,000 in the Universe IIRC. If anyone can point me to the name of the equation I'm talking about please do as I can't seem to remember it right now.


The Drake equation? Yeah, that isn't supposed to be taken very seriously. Sure, it's logical, but it involves numbers associated to probabilities that we have no way in hell of knowing. "The probability of intelligent life developing" - how can an equation with terms such as that have any chance at being even a bad estimate? Your value of 13000 could be off by a billionfold easily, in either direction.



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Area 51 anyone?


Drop the alien conspiracy stuff. No one knows we're here, for a reason you already accept; the Universe is ridiculously huge. Indeed, we can't even exist to anyone looking from anywhere further than about 5000 ly away (realistically something like 100 ly), which is a pitiful fraction of even our own galaxy. Of course, this imposition by relativity is something they need not obey to, should they be advanced enough, but by that technological level they have far more sources of entertainment than a pale blue dot in the middle of nowhere.

I do, however, believe that intelligent alien life exists. Even though I can't quantify the mathematics involved in the Drake equation, the probabilities aren't as phenomenally low as many people think. Sure, it's very hard, but once the first self-replicating macromolecule is made, out of billions of years of almost random interactions between substances, the second one follows in a matter of minutes. Life is an awesome self-catalytic reaction.



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Arcan said:
Vipey (71.0% Female) said:
A-chan I am a nerd. For fucks sake it's my life dream to be a video game developer haha.
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GOD MAWDE THIS PLANET SPECIAL


I gotta disagree with you because if they are traveling thought galaxies and shit then they have to be smarter than us so in that area 51 one fucking shit we shouldn't be testing on them or locking them up we should be leaning from them in my opinion. SBC you have a small intellect =)
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Vipey said:
If anyone can point me to the name of the equation I'm talking about please do as I can't seem to remember it right now.

It's called the Drake Equation (or more precisely, the first half of it) and it is still somewhat controversial because some of the parameters are really just speculation. It's an interesting academic exercise, however.

Vipey said:

Running water would mean literally a 100% factual chance of their being life, because that means the temperature would have been between 0 and 100 Celsius at some point in time, a temperature where life can be sustained.
Just pointing out that this assumes standard earth atmospheric pressures. The phase diagram for water shows that it can exist in liquid form well above or below this range if pressure permits. Vacuum chamber testing has revealed that liquid water would be possible right now on Mars based on its current temperature and pressures.

To answer the question, my gut feeling is that it is likely (one look at the Hubble Ultra Deep Field pretty much leads you to that), but unless evidence of it exists in our solar system (like in those oceans of water that supposedly exist under the surface of Europa) or they just up and contact us, it will be a very, very, very long time until we know with certainty. Of course, growing up, I was certain there would be no way to confirm even the existence of other planets orbiting distant stars within our lifetimes, and now we have hundreds of exoplanets cataloged down to their orbital eccentricities, and even direct visual evidence of planets around a few others, like Fomalhaut. So, it's hard to guess what we'll know in a generation or so.

But extending the Copernican Revolution past simple physics and into biology even without definitive proof is probably a good thing.
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The hitch-hiker guide to the galaxy clearly predicted that the first species to blow up the earth will be the Vogons to create an inther galaxy space way =D



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The number of other possible earth like planets is roughly a bit over 13,000 in the Universe IIRC. If anyone can point me to the name of the equation I'm talking about please do as I can't seem to remember it right now.


The Drake equation? Yeah, that isn't supposed to be taken very seriously. Sure, it's logical, but it involves numbers associated to probabilities that we have no way in hell of knowing. "The probability of intelligent life developing" - how can an equation with terms such as that have any chance at being even a bad estimate? Your value of 13000 could be off by a billionfold easily, in either direction.



Vipey said:
Area 51 anyone?


Drop the alien conspiracy stuff. No one knows we're here, for a reason you already accept; the Universe is ridiculously huge. Indeed, we can't even exist to anyone looking from anywhere further than about 5000 ly away (realistically something like 100 ly), which is a pitiful fraction of even our own galaxy. Of course, this imposition by relativity is something they need not obey to, should they be advanced enough, but by that technological level they have far more sources of entertainment than a pale blue dot in the middle of nowhere.

I do, however, believe that intelligent alien life exists. Even though I can't quantify the mathematics involved in the Drake equation, the probabilities aren't as phenomenally low as many people think. Sure, it's very hard, but once the first self-replicating macromolecule is made, out of billions of years of almost random interactions between substances, the second one follows in a matter of minutes. Life is an awesome self-catalytic reaction.


I know what you're talking about, all of it but for everyone else's on MAL's sake, keep things just a bit simpler XD

Another interesting factor adding on to the idea of the distance between point A and B randomly in the universe is how it's constantly expanding. Yea and once life starts forming it pretty much rolls on out from there like a moldy piece of shit stuck inside of a Tupperware bowl.
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Vipey said:
If anyone can point me to the name of the equation I'm talking about please do as I can't seem to remember it right now.

It's called the Drake Equation (or more precisely, the first half of it) and it is still somewhat controversial because some of the parameters are really just speculation. It's an interesting academic exercise, however.

Vipey said:

Running water would mean literally a 100% factual chance of their being life, because that means the temperature would have been between 0 and 100 Celsius at some point in time, a temperature where life can be sustained.
Just pointing out that this assumes standard earth atmospheric pressures. The phase diagram for water shows that it can exist in liquid form well above or below this range if pressure permits. Vacuum chamber testing has revealed that liquid water would be possible right now on Mars based on its current temperature and pressures.

To answer the question, my gut feeling is that it is likely (one look at the Hubble Ultra Deep Field pretty much leads you to that), but unless evidence of it exists in our solar system (like in those oceans of water that supposedly exist under the surface of Europa) or they just up and contact us, it will be a very, very, very long time until we know with certainty. Of course, growing up, I was certain there would be no way to confirm even the existence of other planets orbiting distant stars within our lifetimes, and now we have hundreds of exoplanets cataloged down to their orbital eccentricities, and even direct visual evidence of planets around a few others, like Fomalhaut. So, it's hard to guess what we'll know in a generation or so.

But extending the Copernican Revolution past simple physics and into biology even without definitive proof is probably a good thing.


Yea like you said it's unfortunate but in our life time we'll probably most likely never know. Truth being like you said. Take one good look at a really large image taken from one of our large telescopes and you start to wonder big time.
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Vipey said:
Hyperspace/Speed of Light Travel, ETC is also a probable way to get here. And yea most likely there is some incredibly advanced way to cheat death. Probably spar-ital space time manipulation where you can change the carbon dated age of an object or area with some kind of device or machine, in this instance, said sentient life form.

Hyperspace just doesn't work. It's based on everything having three coordinates (x,y,z), but 'space' is relative (i.e. Greenwich is a prime meridian and has coordinates of (0,0), but this is completely arbitrary and is just a convention that we use, not a fact).

Carbon dating has nothing to do with expanding life times at all. It's a method that archaeologists use to find carbon and measure how old it is in fossils, remains of dead plants, etc. One can't just use a machine to change the "carbon age" of an object or area because it's just not possible.
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Skies said:
Vipey said:
Hyperspace/Speed of Light Travel, ETC is also a probable way to get here. And yea most likely there is some incredibly advanced way to cheat death. Probably spar-ital space time manipulation where you can change the carbon dated age of an object or area with some kind of device or machine, in this instance, said sentient life form.

Hyperspace just doesn't work. It's based on everything having three coordinates (x,y,z), but 'space' is relative (i.e. Greenwich is a prime meridian and has coordinates of (0,0), but this is completely arbitrary and is just a convention that we use, not a fact).

Carbon dating has nothing to do with expanding life times at all. It's a method that archaeologists use to find carbon and measure how old it is in fossils, remains of dead plants, etc. One can't just use a machine to change the "carbon age" of an object or area because it's just not possible.
I'm merely giving examples. I'm not giving factual reasonings. Only stating possibilities. I also merely used the term carbon dating rather than saying the age of an object.
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Actually also, theoretically time travel for example is possible but time reversal or going back in time is not. Even if you could you'd wind up in a universe not of your own since each advancement in time different sub universes possibly split off. I believe Eisenstein himself elaborated on this subject.
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Do I believe in aliens? Yes.

As you stated, there's some mathematical equation (did someone call it Drake's equation?) which makes it mighty likely that other forms of like exist. I don't mean complex creatures, though. Like microorganisms or something. Hell, they don't even need to be carbon based.

Are there high leveled, conscious beings? Far too likely.

Again, with those millions of planets with millions of micro-organisms, some of them are bound the have evolved into advanced beings. Animals, you know. Creatures which roam the planet. And of that handful, there are probably intelligent lifeforms. Are they humanoid, though? THAT is far too UNLIKELY. Humans aren't the perfect structure for life, so it's silly to think that evolution would favor our traits. (I don't believe in little green men or Vulcans)
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Y'know, if there isn't any life other than us, this universe sucks.

I pretty much adhere to the theory that the universe is ridiculously huge, and therefore there's got to be something else. Also because if we were the only life forms then the people who think humans are special win, albeit a pretty shallow victory, and i don't like that because they annoy me.
Yea that's true. If there's not, that would suck so bad. We'd be all alone here. We can't live on earth forever you know. Sun's gonna get big and hot and we're gonna die in millions of years unless we move. Probably will need some outsourced space help haha to get out out of that pickle. Pretty sure though other life forms have been down that path already and probably have a way to move the planet or their population on a full or massively large scale.
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Nitre said:
Vipey said:
I believe Eisenstein himself elaborated on this subject.


Eisenstein?

By the way, the edit button is seriously lonely.
I can't spell his name. You know who I'm talking about.
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*finds it easyer to imagine a creature with a livespan of 10.000 or more earthly years then hyperspace speeds and timetravel*
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I can't wait to see what neverender does to this thread and it's discussional value.
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I don't trust equations with variables that are unknowable.
This is a serious post. You're not allowed to delete it.
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Vipey (71.0% Female) said:
I can't wait to see what neverender does to this thread and it's discussional value.


wanna invite him?
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CDRW said:
I don't trust equations with variables that are unknowable.
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*finds it easyer to imagine a creature with a livespan of 10.000 or more earthly years then hyperspace speeds and timetravel*


On another note. One could say the universe is so large and vast that anything is possible.

Arcan said:
Vipey (71.0% Female) said:
I can't wait to see what neverender does to this thread and it's discussional value.


wanna invite him?
He'll see it rofl.
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