| So, I was one of the people who mistakenly thought the anime implied Ruka was trans, especially the dub, which goes into more detail and can be more confusing than the sub, and without any context from the VN it's not that difficult to come to a false conclusion, especially if you have been influenced by outside factors. The fact remains, the source material (VN) makes it very clear he is not trans, but he does have gender issues due to his upbringing and girlish appearance. Except, him wanting to be a girl is not because he is trans or feels like a girl who was born in a male body, it's simply because if he was born female, then he would be comfortable looking like a girl. Yes, he also has ulterior motives when it comes to Okabe, and wanting to be a girl so that his feelings can reach him and be reciprocated, but he didn't just make up his gender issues, those are still real. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Whenever it comes to matters like this people always forget "they" is the best option, then no one can be upset, because it keeps the gender non specified and neutral. |
| I did, and I tried to edit it, but some silly moderator likes him as "she" probably. They also spelled his name wrong, as well as Okabe's. It's Luka. And it's Rintaro. TLDR: MAL database is sometimes trash. |
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| Isn't Ruka transgender, not trap? |
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Piromysl said: Isn't Ruka transgender, not trap? Not this again please..... |
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What is the problem? That would be literally the answer yo OP's problem. |
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Because he isn't trans... He never was. This is a wrong interpretation of his character formed by that terrible English dub. |
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SciADV_Maniac said: Because he isn't trans... He never was. This is a wrong interpretation of his character formed by that terrible English dub. Dub has nothing to do with this. Ruka always wanted to be a girl, openly identifies as such, is even interested in boys (if that is relevant), and when she had an opportunity to change history, she uses it to become an actual biological girl, she always dreamed of. Ruka never made her condition a focal point of her personality, unlike an average denizen of Twitter, Tumblr, or other similar cesspool, so her actual view on her gender is rarely brought up. But from what we can deduce from anime alone, she is dedinetely transgender woman. Pretty much open and shut case. |
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| “... but he’s a guy.” silly MAL. |
Piromysl said: SciADV_Maniac said: Because he isn't trans... He never was. This is a wrong interpretation of his character formed by that terrible English dub. Dub has nothing to do with this. Ruka always wanted to be a girl, openly identifies as such, is even interested in boys (if that is relevant), and when she had an opportunity to change history, she uses it to become an actual biological girl, she always dreamed of. Ruka never made her condition a focal point of her personality, unlike an average denizen of Twitter, Tumblr, or other similar cesspool, so her actual view on her gender is rarely brought up. But from what we can deduce from anime alone, she is dedinetely transgender woman. Pretty much open and shut case. And here we go, another totally wrong interpretation of Luka. Luka refers himself as "boku", which is a masculine pronoun in Japanese. So he definitely identifies himself as a male, which is the same as her biological sex. Therefore he can't be trans, because the definition of trans doesn't applies to him "Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from the sex that they were assigned at birth" "He wants to be a girl" - yeah, this is a lie from him to hide the fact that he loves Okabe. The reason that he really wanted to become a girl is that he can't be his lover if he is a boy. In My Darling's Embrace, he is totally fine with being a boy, since in his route, he is in relationship with Okabe. As a boy. Luka was never trans. End of the story. xZabuzax said: While you guys are debating about Ruka and being pissed about transgender, homos, shemales, futanaris, whatever... I'm actually more pissed at Ruka for becoming an actual mother fucking SAMURAI in Steins;Gate 0 and killing dozens of soldiers with a fucking sword when they are shooting at Ruka with machine guns because we all know that swords defeats machine guns... right? once a fucking SAMURAI appears then you know that guy will kill a group of soldiers all by himself because they suddenly turn into super-powered characters. No really, that's the only shit that pissed me off about Ruka, he/her... whatever is a pretty cool character otherwise but for the love of god... PLEASE... I don't want to see those fucking retarded action scenes and super-powers in Steins;Gate, that shit doesn't belong there. There... since all of you needed to let something out of their chest I wanted to let that out as well. Idk why do you have to brought up your hate towards 0 when the question has nothing to do with it. And the so-called "superpowers" are definitely belong to the Science Adventure series. "Samurai Luka" and "Boosted Kagari" are nowhere near to Gigalomania and Di-Swords. The 2 former are actually pretty grounded, can be explained by some grounded sci-fi stuff (brainwashing, "Captain America"-like enhancement), while the latter 2 are essentially god-like stuff (even if they are explained scientifically in Chaos;Head) I can also add Reading Steiner to the list, which is the least explained "super-power" in the series, and it works a bit inconsistent sometimes. |
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| I mean like who the fuck cares lmao |
| Ruka is not male, Ruka is not female, Ruka is Ruka⚔️ |
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ItsAaravSikri20 said: Ruka is not male, Ruka is not female, Ruka is Ruka⚔️ Ruka is Luka, to be precise |
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Hot_Green_Tea said: What? Eww. No. Save your transphobia, he isn't trans because he literally doesn't feel that way, not because he's biologically male. smhTo quote from the great Hououin Kyouma himself "but he's a guy". It doesn't how people view him or how he views himself, the fact of the matter is that he is biologically male. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Piromysl said: This is completely false, Ruka has not always wanted to be a girl, the reason for his gender issues is that his father forced him to act/dress femininely as a child, because his sister was a tomboy, so he molded Ruka into the daughter he always wanted. His natural beauty only adds on to his suffering, and makes it that much easier for him to be viewed feminely, even though he's uncomfortable with it. His wish to be female has nothing to do with trans identity, being reborn as a female is nothing like transitioning, if you're reborn then you have no knowledge of being male, being female will simply feel natural to you, so this solves all of his problems because it will make him comfortable with his feminine appearance, because he currently is troubled by looking like a girl, despite being male. Don't get me wrong, this is a terribly written, contrived character, who you should not think too seriously about, because their circumstances are ridiculous, but they are not in any way a trans girl, no matter how hard you want that to be the case, it is simply not at all who the character is. Dub has nothing to do with this. Ruka always wanted to be a girl, openly identifies as such, is even interested in boys (if that is relevant), and when she had an opportunity to change history, she uses it to become an actual biological girl, she always dreamed of. Ruka never made her condition a focal point of her personality, unlike an average denizen of Twitter, Tumblr, or other similar cesspool, so her actual view on her gender is rarely brought up. But from what we can deduce from anime alone, she is dedinetely transgender woman. Pretty much open and shut case. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
SciADV_Maniac said: I have to add a few things here. Being trans is not just a literal definition where you use feminine pronouns and people treat you as the opposite gender, you're still trans before you come out and make it official, it depends on how you actually feel. Except, this doesn't apply to Luka, he isn't trans, so it doesn't matter, but just because they aren't treated as being out and trans in the story, doesn't mean the character can't be trans.And here we go, another totally wrong interpretation of Luka. Luka refers himself as "boku", which is a masculine pronoun in Japanese. So he definitely identifies himself as a male, which is the same as her biological sex. Therefore he can't be trans, because the definition of trans doesn't applies to him "Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from the sex that they were assigned at birth" "He wants to be a girl" - yeah, this is a lie from him to hide the fact that he loves Okabe. The reason that he really wanted to become a girl is that he can't be his lover if he is a boy. In My Darling's Embrace, he is totally fine with being a boy, since in his route, he is in relationship with Okabe. As a boy. Luka was never trans. End of the story. Second, I don't understand why you would write off his wish to be a girl as a "lie" just because Okabe is an ulterior motive, and a very strong one at that, does not mean his wish to be a girl isn't still genuine. It simply has nothing to do with being trans, it is the result of his upbringing and girlish beauty, he is very conflicted to look this way as a male, but if he had just been born a female instead, then he wouldn't be conflicted about his appearance, AND his attraction to men (or just Okabe) wouldn't be taboo, it's a perfect solution. |
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owlpsycho said: He's a guy, the author makes it clear he's male, the trans narrative is ironic considering that he's basically a victim of being force feminized against his will.Man, the author never say anything about that?? Bc noow I'm confused '-' one say she/he is a trans, others say she/he don't... '_' |
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slimepoop said: That really has nothing to do with whether he's trans in the original timeline, which is what is being implied in the bio. There’s a timeline where he is canonically female, it’s pretty interchangeable imo |
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owlpsycho said: LostSpectre said: when he is forced to be a woman??(I really don't know sorry :v my bad)He's a guy, the author makes it clear he's male, the trans narrative is ironic considering that he's basically a victim of being force feminized against his will. His dad is an old perverted otaku. Lukako has an older sister who is more boyish, so to have a "real" daughter, her dad makes Lukako to wear feminine clothes. Ofc, this is just extra info from the VN |
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| Ruka came up to the cast and asked to be made female. What could possibly be confusing about that? |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| To quote from the great Hououin Kyouma himself "but he's a dude". |
| Why are people forcing their own opinion on a fictional character and hypothesising things that aren't even canon? |
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Thigh_Tide said: How about the fact that he did it because he's actually a male who's uncomfortable looking female (it has been forced upon him since he was young, but you only know that from the VN), and he struggles with being bi/gay, so being born female will let him be a straight girl who can pursue/have feelings for his love interest without guilt/shame. Granted, you shouldn't take any of this too seriously, because male Ruka can't change his past, he will have no memory of ever becoming female Ruka, it's all time travel tropes and deception, but one thing should be clear, he's absolutely not trans. Ruka came up to the cast and asked to be made female. What could possibly be confusing about that? |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
LostSpectre said: Thigh_Tide said: How about the fact that he did it because he's actually a male who's uncomfortable looking female (it has been forced upon him since he was young, but you only know that from the VN), and he struggles with being bi/gay, so being born female will let him be a straight girl who can pursue/have feelings for his love interest without guilt/shame. Granted, you shouldn't take any of this too seriously, because male Ruka can't change his past, he will have no memory of ever becoming female Ruka, it's all time travel tropes and deception, but one thing should be clear, he's absolutely not trans. Ruka came up to the cast and asked to be made female. What could possibly be confusing about that? Struggling with their sexuality and appearance is one of the major reasons behind people may be transgender. It's bizarre and potentially harmful to claim that somehow invalidates Ruka's descision to become female. A descision, mind, that Ruka did make, and the effects of which were carried out. Alternatively, if the point you're trying to make is that because the change was done by time travel rather than a physical operation, that's also a very reductive way of looking at it. The character of Ruka Urushibara, as both we and the narrative understands them, was male, and then became female. Whichever way you look at it, Ruka fits the definition of transgender. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
Thigh_Tide said: LostSpectre said: How about the fact that he did it because he's actually a male who's uncomfortable looking female (it has been forced upon him since he was young, but you only know that from the VN), and he struggles with being bi/gay, so being born female will let him be a straight girl who can pursue/have feelings for his love interest without guilt/shame. Granted, you shouldn't take any of this too seriously, because male Ruka can't change his past, he will have no memory of ever becoming female Ruka, it's all time travel tropes and deception, but one thing should be clear, he's absolutely not trans. Struggling with their sexuality and appearance is one of the major reasons behind people may be transgender. It's bizarre and potentially harmful to claim that somehow invalidates Ruka's descision to become female. A descision, mind, that Ruka did make, and the effects of which were carried out. Alternatively, if the point you're trying to make is that because the change was done by time travel rather than a physical operation, that's also a very reductive way of looking at it. The character of Ruka Urushibara, as both we and the narrative understands them, was male, and then became female. Whichever way you look at it, Ruka fits the definition of transgender. No she doesn't. He wants to be a girl, because Okabe is not gay and can't be his lover. He has no problem with his appearance. Read My Darling's Embrace if you don't believe it. He is totally fine with everything as a boy, if Okabe loves him. And he is still Luka, not Ruka. |
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Thigh_Tide said: Yeah, trans people struggle with their own gender/body relative to the gender they feel they are most comfortable as. Last time I checked trans people aren't conflicted and uncomfortable to look or feel like the opposite gender, why can't you comprehend that means he has dysphoria about looking feminine, and not masculine. Your perception of why he wants to become female is completely inaccurate, it has absolutely nothing to do with being a trans woman, and everything to do with the fact that femininity has been forced upon him since he was a child. He would prefer to be born a girl than to be a male who looks like one, and is distressed by it, how you think that's a trans sentiment shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of both this character, and being trans. LostSpectre said: How about the fact that he did it because he's actually a male who's uncomfortable looking female (it has been forced upon him since he was young, but you only know that from the VN), and he struggles with being bi/gay, so being born female will let him be a straight girl who can pursue/have feelings for his love interest without guilt/shame. Granted, you shouldn't take any of this too seriously, because male Ruka can't change his past, he will have no memory of ever becoming female Ruka, it's all time travel tropes and deception, but one thing should be clear, he's absolutely not trans. Struggling with their sexuality and appearance is one of the major reasons behind people may be transgender. It's bizarre and potentially harmful to claim that somehow invalidates Ruka's descision to become female. A descision, mind, that Ruka did make, and the effects of which were carried out. Alternatively, if the point you're trying to make is that because the change was done by time travel rather than a physical operation, that's also a very reductive way of looking at it. The character of Ruka Urushibara, as both we and the narrative understands them, was male, and then became female. Whichever way you look at it, Ruka fits the definition of transgender. |
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There's a lot to go through here, so it'll be best done sentence by sentence. Yeah, trans people struggle with their own gender/body relative to the gender they feel they are most comfortable as. Ruka struggled with their male body, feeling that they would be more comfortable if they were female. This much is clear. Last time I checked trans people aren't conflicted and uncomfortable to look or feel like the opposite gender, why can't you comprehend that means he has dysphoria about looking feminine, and not masculine. That's precisely the conflict faced by many real transgender people, as you would know if you really "checked." Feeling that you have an appearance in deference to your gender is a common and valid form of dysphoria. Your perception of why he wants to become female is completely inaccurate, it has absolutely nothing to do with being a trans woman, and everything to do with the fact that femininity has been forced upon him since he was a child. I'm not denying that. Upbringing can potentially have an effect on the development of gender sexuality, and someone brought up to be like the opposite gender may feel they need to conform to it, as is the case with Ruka. He would prefer to be born a girl than to be a male who looks like one, and is distressed by it, how you think that's a trans sentiment shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of both this character, and being trans. He would prefer to be born a girl. I don't think I need to elaborate on this point. As far as I understand your stance, it is that "Ruka isn't valid because they were made transgender by another party". What you want to ignore, for reasons unbeknownst but that can be presumed, is that they did in fact end up being transgender. Regardless of the situation surrounding them, if someone wants to be the opposite gender to the one they currently are, that is a transgender person. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
Thigh_Tide said: Not in a fucking sci-fi universe where rewriting the past exists, it doesn't. Nothing about Ruka is MtF trans, the evidence is clear, I'm done with you.Regardless of the situation surrounding them, if someone wants to be the opposite gender to the one they currently are, that is a transgender person. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
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LostSpectre said: Thigh_Tide said: Not in a fucking sci-fi universe where rewriting the past exists, it doesn't. Nothing about Ruka is MtF trans, the evidence is clear, I'm done with you.Regardless of the situation surrounding them, if someone wants to be the opposite gender to the one they currently are, that is a transgender person. I already addressed that 2 posts ago: Alternatively, if the point you're trying to make is that because the change was done by time travel rather than a physical operation, that's also a very reductive way of looking at it. The character of Ruka Urushibara, as both we and the narrative understands them, was male, and then became female. From the view of the present, Ruka changes gender, after having requesting the worldline shift in the first place while being their original gender. Thus, transgender. The evidence is clear, but you'll find it supports my view on the matter. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| @Thigh_Tide You are completely disregarding the canon. Again, Luka has no problem with his appearance, or feels uncomfortable being a male. But looks like you don't really want to understand that. And he is still Luka, not Ruka "Ruka struggled with their male body, feeling that they would be more comfortable if they were female. This much is clear." Except this isn't true at all. |
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Piromysl said: So basically, dub doesn't really have anything to do with this in general, but the original audio is always what the makers intended. Even further into that, the writers of the original Steins;Gate game have the priority over this debate. I've never seen anything in the anime that implied that Ruka is trans.SciADV_Maniac said: Because he isn't trans... He never was. This is a wrong interpretation of his character formed by that terrible English dub. Dub has nothing to do with this. Ruka always wanted to be a girl, openly identifies as such, is even interested in boys (if that is relevant), and when she had an opportunity to change history, she uses it to become an actual biological girl, she always dreamed of. Ruka never made her condition a focal point of her personality, unlike an average denizen of Twitter, Tumblr, or other similar cesspool, so her actual view on her gender is rarely brought up. But from what we can deduce from anime alone, she is dedinetely transgender woman. Pretty much open and shut case. |
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Piromysl said: SciADV_Maniac said: Because he isn't trans... He never was. This is a wrong interpretation of his character formed by that terrible English dub. Dub has nothing to do with this. Ruka always wanted to be a girl, openly identifies as such, is even interested in boys (if that is relevant), and when she had an opportunity to change history, she uses it to become an actual biological girl, she always dreamed of. Ruka never made her condition a focal point of her personality, unlike an average denizen of Twitter, Tumblr, or other similar cesspool, so her actual view on her gender is rarely brought up. But from what we can deduce from anime alone, she is dedinetely transgender woman. Pretty much open and shut case. Agree. I don't know why people are so resistant to what's right in front of them. It's like, unless a character screams at the top of their lungs "I am trans!!!" they are like "well who can say?" Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Bottom line is when Luka is a "guy", she wants to be a cis-girl. And when she's a cis-girl, she *does not* want to turn back into a "guy", and in fact sobs and sobs at the mere thought of it. She only agrees to turn back because she loves Okabe and she wants to save her friend's life. That doesn't make her "not trans", that makes her a damn selfless heroine. |
SciADV_Maniac said: owlpsycho said: when he is forced to be a woman??(I really don't know sorry :v my bad) His dad is an old perverted otaku. Lukako has an older sister who is more boyish, so to have a "real" daughter, her dad makes Lukako to wear feminine clothes. Ofc, this is just extra info from the VN So her dad made her trans? Even if true, that doesn't invalidate her transgender identity. She's not any less transgender because of what her dad did to her. She's a "guy", she wants to be a girl, she becomes a girl, and she is happy to be a girl. Case closed. |
| Pure-Spirit said: Piromysl said: Dub has nothing to do with this. Ruka always wanted to be a girl, openly identifies as such, is even interested in boys (if that is relevant), and when she had an opportunity to change history, she uses it to become an actual biological girl, she always dreamed of. Ruka never made her condition a focal point of her personality, unlike an average denizen of Twitter, Tumblr, or other similar cesspool, so her actual view on her gender is rarely brought up. But from what we can deduce from anime alone, she is dedinetely transgender woman. Pretty much open and shut case. Agree. I don't know why people are so resistant to what's right in front of them. It's like, unless a character screams at the top of their lungs "I am trans!!!" they are like "well who can say?" Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Bottom line is when Luka is a "guy", she wants to be a cis-girl. And when she's a cis-girl, she *does not* want to turn back into a "guy", and in fact sobs and sobs at the mere thought of it. She only agrees to turn back because she loves Okabe and she wants to save her friend's life. That doesn't make her "not trans", that makes her a damn selfless heroine. Actually, after I made this post I got educated by @LostSpectre and found out, that Ruka is actually a product of his parents grooming. This grooming is the source of the confusion, because it make it seem like Ruka wants to be a girl while in fact he decides to carry on posing as a girl due to his low self esteem, prioritizing his parents wishes over his own. In alternative timeline, in SG0 we could even see him as badass katana wielding boy, which is totally canon and pretty much sets it. |
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