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Apr 23, 2021 8:48 AM

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@Ryuk9428

When I say "dominant" I meant guys who are charismatic, cool...or at least, appear to be that way.

Your conclusion is based on personnel experience; not stats, or a wide scale study. Maybe your brother is a great guy, I don't know him, so I can't judge. However, as to why he still doesn't have a girlfriend, I have some possible ideas:

-He hasn't talked to many girls
-He stops talking to girls quickly
-His body language turns them off
-He appeared desperate

Again, I don't know him personally, these are just theories. You said your brother attempted suicide because he couldn't get a girlfriend. That is not good; that is a sign of...not being secure with one self. And I suspect that showed through his interactions with girls. Girls do not like insecure men. Actually, most do not want to date an insecure person.

Being nice isn't enough. What about common interests? Chemistry?

Based on your post, it sounds you are very bitter about women. So I suspect that bitterness has shown through your interactions with women.


Girls want "bad boys", and I understand completely what @Ryuk9428 said coz I experienced it myself. Last year I broke up with my ex. She was very cute, tall, a perfect girl that I Iove so much. But she was always very cold to me. I basically did everything I could for her, bought her stuffs (bracelet, shoes, went to expensive restaurants, watched movies etc.), bought and installing furnitures at her apartment, often waiting her for hours when she had dance practice, never got angry even once although she was very often canceled our date meeting at last minute. She did not appreciate me at all, as a human being, let alone as her boyfriend. Even when she was my gf, all I ever did to her was holding her hand, I tried to be very respectful to her, never touched her or kissed her because I wanted her to know that I loved her not because of her flesh, but really heart to heart. There were times I said that I wanted to marry her. I even had arranged to go for travelling with her outside the country. Whenever we dated, she always gave like only 3 to 4 hours date at Saturday afternoon, and she had other plans at night with friends. And thats not even every Saturday, but like we met only about once every two weeks. She never picked up my call. And very very very often cancel date at last minute (so not meet at all for 2 weeks). Text very short too and took long to reply. My chat was always much longer than her showing that I really wanted to communicate with her.

As I said in my previous post, when we met, she often wear short pant. I often just ignored her sexiness because I wanted to build trust between her and me, showing that I loved her not because of her beauty, basically be respectful. When we broke up, she told me that I had no color, I was like white color she said, very kind, too kind she said. Then guess what, about 2 months later after we broke up, she already had boyfriend, with tattoo all over his leg down to feet, he also a smoker (like to smoke cigarette), definitely a bad boy compared to me. Me, on the other hand, is a nerd, have very good university degrees (both civil engineering and architecture), I am also not poor ( I teach at university and help run family business). And my appearance, since mid school I always been nominates as the cutest boy in school ( I have my photos around here in MAL). I play classical piano too. So I guess I am a guy with many positive side (although I have depression for 7 years and tailbone pain for 3 years, but I never told that weakness to my ex). So why did she broke up with me? The only conclusion I can pull is because I was not aggresive enough, I did not live up her fantasy, perhaps sexually. I regretted these days, maybe when I was in her apartment, I should have touched her and asked her to have sex on her bed, instead of just watching some drama at internet while eating home cooking that I brought from my house. Yes, I often brought her my home meal to her apartment because she liked to buy street foods for meal, I loved her and wanted her to be healthy, so I often brought her home cooked meal and when I was at her apartment, I made her breakfast for her to have it at the next day, and I also brought her fruits. But all those were useless , thats not what she wanted. She did not want good guy, coz she said it herself, that I was too kind for her, and she broke up with me.

Also there was a time when we already broke up, I chat her said that I respected her, and that I was sorry if I never made a more intimate connection with her like never kissed her or touched her in a more intimate way, then she said if I did that, she would already broke up with me a long time ago. She blocked me for 1 hour in chat, that unblocked again.

So even until now I am really confused whats wrong with me. Hopefully I never met a girl like her again in my life. Hopefully not all girls are like that. Hopefully I can find a girl that still know how to appreciate, loyal, and love her boyfriend. If such thing still exist... Judging from girls that I know and sosial media, I am more apathy if there is actually still a good girl these days..



Apr 23, 2021 8:58 AM

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Everyone knows where this is going. Most of the answers will be about men shitting on women and pretending to understand them because of previous failure in their love life and the actual women answers will be ignored because that was never what OP had in mind anyways.
Apr 23, 2021 9:02 AM

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Because it looks good on them and they like to look good?
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@philtecturophy

Now, I don't personally know your ex; nor have I witnessed your relationship. So there can only be 2 possible explanations, from my perspective:

A) You were doing something wrong, something you haven't mentioned in your post.
B) You didn't do anything wrong, she just didn't like you.

Let's say it was B: in that case, you can't judge half the human race based on 1 bad experience.
Apr 23, 2021 9:02 AM

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Jeez man, it’s just a skirt and don’t we dudes wear shorts too? Cmon, there’s no need to search for the philosophical meanings behind it.
Apr 23, 2021 9:13 AM

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You are against these type of clothing, and yet when presented a plain Jane, not even one head was turned.
もろともに
哀れと思へ
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花より外に
知る人もなし.

On a mountain slope,
Solitary, uncompanioned,
Stands a cherry tree.

Except for you, lonely friend,
To others I am unknown.





Apr 23, 2021 9:16 AM
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Monotonous said:
You are against these type of clothing, and yet when presented a plain Jane, not even one head was turned.
I believe he's asking for permission to stare.
Apr 23, 2021 9:35 AM

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women themselves wont tell you but it is obviously for attention. I said many times and will say it again, attention to women is like a drug. Now when it comes to your point about them getting angry when you look at them it only is valid if you are unattractive. If a cute guy gives her attention he is confident in her eyes and all is good but if an ugly guy does the same it is rape and harassment. That's your daily truth pill.
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Apr 23, 2021 10:19 AM
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Monotonous said:
You are against these type of clothing, and yet when presented a plain Jane, not even one head was turned.


Plain janes have their charm. But it's kinda considered creepy when a man looks at a woman he doesn't know, unless that woman wants the attention? It's confusing. So, I think the best option, is for us guys to avoid looking at women we don't know. Better safe than sorry.
Apr 23, 2021 10:31 AM

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Because its a free country

Black-Pill said:
Now when it comes to your point about them getting angry when you look at them it only is valid if you are unattractive. If a cute guy gives her attention he is confident in her eyes and all is good but if an ugly guy does the same it is rape and harassment. That's your daily truth pill.

I know I'm biting here but this is completely untrue. Here's an example, look up 'First Person Approacher Kent', the guy was arrested for trying to pick up women and he was attractive.
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operationvalkyri said:
Monotonous said:
You are against these type of clothing, and yet when presented a plain Jane, not even one head was turned.
I believe he's asking for permission to stare.

Indeed you're right, failed to digest the entirety of OP's post.

ViktorLocke said:
Monotonous said:
You are against these type of clothing, and yet when presented a plain Jane, not even one head was turned.


Plain janes have their charm. But it's kinda considered creepy when a man looks at a woman he doesn't know, unless that woman wants the attention? It's confusing. So, I think the best option, is for us guys to avoid looking at women we don't know. Better safe than sorry.

That is correct, it is creepy. My main point is that some guys do these everyday which I fail to understand, and then go home and complain about these women being provocative and tempting even when in reality they're not. But we're swaying away from the original concern of the thread starter, so I digress.
もろともに
哀れと思へ
山桜

花より外に
知る人もなし.

On a mountain slope,
Solitary, uncompanioned,
Stands a cherry tree.

Except for you, lonely friend,
To others I am unknown.





Apr 23, 2021 10:39 AM
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@Ryuk9428 As messed up as the world is these days, unfortunately it is what it is. No matter how much you complain about it, the situation will only get worse since girls have such a ridiculous amount of abundance (especially now with online dating and social media, get approval without even leaving the house), and in this instant gratification society, would rather go for the bad boy.

If we are being completely honest, it doesn't take that much to stand out from other men. I mean more than half of them are overweight, jerk off to porn several times a day and buy bathwater from some random e-thot on the internet. So if you put in the work, you can definitely be successful unless you are mentally deranged or extremely ugly or something.

Speaking of, the bad boy may have it easy in some ways, but personally I wouldn't like being successful while leaving a trail of destruction behind. It's the same thing in games, where most often the genocide route is less satisfying than the pacifist route so to speak.

@philtecturophy
Based on your story, sounds like you were putting her on a pedestal, which turned her off. I mean she treats you like shit and you still accept it. No wonder why she then goes to the exact polar opposite tbh.
Apr 23, 2021 10:45 AM

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Girls wear skirts because they like how they look. They wear things that look nice the same with everyone. Of course, the girl will get angry if you stare at her legs. How would you feel if someone started staring at you in a weird way,yeah that's pretty much why



Apr 23, 2021 10:51 AM

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Ghost-Hardware said:
Because its a free country

Black-Pill said:
Now when it comes to your point about them getting angry when you look at them it only is valid if you are unattractive. If a cute guy gives her attention he is confident in her eyes and all is good but if an ugly guy does the same it is rape and harassment. That's your daily truth pill.

I know I'm biting here but this is completely untrue. Here's an example, look up 'First Person Approacher Kent', the guy was arrested for trying to pick up women and he was attractive.


He was filming that makes everything very different.
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Apr 23, 2021 10:56 AM

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SemillaMinoria said:
These days women dress up for attention and then bitch about it when they get the attention that they were looking for. Best thing to do now as a guy is to not look their way when you see a hot girl. Don't go liking all of their pics on social media. You are only gassing their ego up further.

On the flip side if they don't get the attention that they are looking for from the right type of people that they are looking for they will get insecure.

In my relationship I often ignore my girl's sexiness and I often withhold compliments. I used to compliment whoever I was dating a lot before I got too hurt and damage from all of the cheating in the past.

I'm trying to be better with this. It seems that if a girl really likes you then giving her the attention that she wants helps you more in your relationship. But if you go too far with it then she could start to use it against you and become more controlling or want to find another guy.

Most men hate drama and women love drama. They want to date a guy that will put them through their various emotions. That's why they will date a bad boy. And also if they feel that a guy will elevate their own social status they will be attracted to him. Women like to make each other feel jealous and hate to feel jealous themselves. That's why it seems like women never know what they want. What they want is what everyone else wants. Generally speaking, of course.


Not a man thinking they know why women wear a skirt. Shut the hell up.

philtecturophy said:

When a guy look at her legs, the woman or girl will get angry. But are they really angry? Or maybe they are happy but show as if they are angry so they don't looked cheap?



The mentality of a rapist.
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but he won't let go of my head
and I puke on his cock bitch" - Boy by Fishball 
Apr 23, 2021 11:19 AM

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@ViktorLocke

I don't care what reason they have for not choosing my brother. If any of those are true then it just further reinforces my view that most modern women are incredibly petty individuals. "This guy is a good guy who's always been responsible but oh, he's too desperate, can't have him then." For fuck's sake, show some humanity, the guy's been without a girlfriend for years of course he's desperate.

No, it began as a hunch based on personal experiences. Then I did start looking up statistics and the statistics paint just as bad an image.

Women rate dark triad men as significantly more attractive than men low in dark triad traits.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Descriptive-statistics-for-ratings_tbl1_273809664

females may be especially attracted to large and/or dominant males where high risk of sexual aggression prevails, and (2) that the cross-species distribution of pair-bonding by females may be accounted for, in part, by variable risks of sexual aggression.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4615-5985-6_21

Women tend to be attracted to psychopathic men.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-019-00213-0

25% of all porn searches made by women feature violence against their own sex which is twice as high as the porn searches made by men of violence against women.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bm9w7v/why-are-so-many-women-searching-for-ultra-violent-porn

Criminal, anti-social men will father nearly 3x as many children as normal men do.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513814000774

Gang members have significantly higher numbers of sexual partners than non-gang members do. Many gang members had just as many if not more sexual partners in the past month as normal men had in a year. No non-gang member reported more than 5 sexual partners in the past 90 days, by contrast, two gang leaders in the study reported 10 and 11 partners respectively.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224499509551792

Bullying low status men is essentially an evolutionary reproductive tactic. Bullies experience greater sexual success with women than the victimized do.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704915613909
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321812090_Do_Bullies_Have_More_Sex_The_Role_of_Personality

Men are attracted to nice girls, but women are not attracted to nice men.
https://www.newsweek.com/study-finds-men-nice-women-not-other-way-around-261269
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167214543879

Most rapists have significantly more sex than non-rapist men do, both consensual and coercive.
Lisak, David (March 2002). "The Undetected Rapist" (PDF).

Smart teenage males are significantly more likely to be virgins than men with average intelligence. An adolescent with an IQ of 100 is 1.5-5 times more likely to have had sex as an adolescent male with an IQ of 120 or 130.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10706169/



And yes, I do feel bitter towards people who treat good people like shit and actively prefer rewarding the behavior of bad people over good people.

@SemillaMinoria

Unfortunately the norms of modern society have created this. People decided that others shouldn't be judged for their sexual behavior or preferences anymore and we unleashed a monster in doing this. Now good men are forced to behave in a way they feel uncomfortable with and to actually behave in an immoral manner less they risk women losing attraction to them... Its an absolute shame.

@Philtecturophy

At first I did think maybe it was because your girlfriend wanted sex that you weren't giving but the end vanquished my suspicions in that regard. Honestly, I don't think a girl can be trusted unless she's willing to have sex and be physically intimate with you. If she's dating you but not having sex with you and being physically intimate, then she's just using you.

Sorry to hear about that by the way. This is why I believe in everything that I do because I don't want things like this to happen so often anymore. Some people believe all hope is lost but the truth is, men in the past had a different opinion of women than people today do. And I do think a big part of that is because women in the past were much nicer than women today are. People shit on "patriarchy" and say it oppressed women. The truth is, patriarchy imposed reasonable rules and restrictions on women that helped develop their moral character that simply don't exist anymore. But lots of women and a certain number of men resented having to live by these rules so they called it "oppression" like a child who says his parents are abusing him after they put him in time out for bad behavior.
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@Ryuk9428

I do not mean to personally attack your brother, but someone who is desperate to find a romantic or sexual partner to a point where they consider suicide...most would not want to be with someone like that. Yes, we all have our flaws, but this is an extreme one. There are plenty of guys who have never had a sexual/romantic partner, but most aren't considering suicide because of it.

Women are attracted to men who appear confident, smart, cool. Aside from stereotypical "bad boys" women go out with cool, smart, confident, men who don't get social anxiety, and whatnot. I think that at a young age, women have difficulty differentiating between confidence and arrogance.

There are obviously plenty of good men who aren't "bad boys" who have a romantic partners. In fact, most men who have a romantic partner or good men; if they weren't, then most men would be dicks. So in other words, you and your brother can find a romantic partner. But with the attitude you are displaying here; your bitterness towards women. It's easy for me to imagine that translates to your actual interactions with women in real life.

Have you tried joining any clubs? Any group meetups? Tried talking to more than a few women a year? Online dating? When interacting with women, do you try to find common interests? Have you considered what your body language is when you talk to women? I've spoken to some female friends online, and they told me that the reason why people in general don't like to talk to socially anxious/awkward people, is because it makes them feel awkward in turn. But you can get over social anxiety, by talking to people more.

If a woman doesn't want to have sex with you, it's probably because she's not into you. And where did you get this idea from that women in the past were nicer?
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Women are addicted to attention and validation. Everything they do link to that. There's however nothing inherently wrong with that, as it simply human nature.
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PaulinhaHanekawa said:
Everyone knows where this is going. Most of the answers will be about men shitting on women and pretending to understand them because of previous failure in their love life and the actual women answers will be ignored because that was never what OP had in mind anyways.
I know right. They just base their answers on their stupid experiences and breakups. I understand that you are a "nice guy" but seriously dude don't talk if you've never had a real conversation with a girl or at least have a sister for that matter.



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Jesus what's with these creepy guys in the OP+ some replies? The amount of weird assumptions spiralling into this weird connection about dating is stupid. Not everyone dresses to date. Some dress just to dress, like any other day.

I may not wear skirts, but I do like to wear provocative clothing from time to time. I never try to get the attention of guys by my clothing.If I want people to pay attention to my clothing and perhaps compliments on my wardrobe, I get their attention by talking about it. I am not "signalling" to some guy to stare at me.I'll be direct when I want someone to stare at me like that. It's weird to assume so many things about the reasoning I wear those clothing. It's not that deep.
Me existing with a set of clothing in the same space as you doesn't mean I invite people to ogle at me. Same way how guys may wear tank tops. It doesn't mean they wanna show off their muscles to me. They could wear it just cuz, and not expect people to ogle at them for wearing provocative tops. Stop being creepy by demonizing women as this otherworldly monolithic species who need to have ulterior motives in an article of clothing to attract the male species.
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philtecturophy said:
ViktorLocke said:
@Ryuk9428

When I say "dominant" I meant guys who are charismatic, cool...or at least, appear to be that way.

Your conclusion is based on personnel experience; not stats, or a wide scale study. Maybe your brother is a great guy, I don't know him, so I can't judge. However, as to why he still doesn't have a girlfriend, I have some possible ideas:

-He hasn't talked to many girls
-He stops talking to girls quickly
-His body language turns them off
-He appeared desperate

Again, I don't know him personally, these are just theories. You said your brother attempted suicide because he couldn't get a girlfriend. That is not good; that is a sign of...not being secure with one self. And I suspect that showed through his interactions with girls. Girls do not like insecure men. Actually, most do not want to date an insecure person.

Being nice isn't enough. What about common interests? Chemistry?

Based on your post, it sounds you are very bitter about women. So I suspect that bitterness has shown through your interactions with women.


Girls want "bad boys", and I understand completely what @Ryuk9428 said coz I experienced it myself. Last year I broke up with my ex. She was very cute, tall, a perfect girl that I Iove so much. But she was always very cold to me. I basically did everything I could for her, bought her stuffs (bracelet, shoes, went to expensive restaurants, watched movies etc.), bought and installing furnitures at her apartment, often waiting her for hours when she had dance practice, never got angry even once although she was very often canceled our date meeting at last minute. She did not appreciate me at all, as a human being, let alone as her boyfriend. Even when she was my gf, all I ever did to her was holding her hand, I tried to be very respectful to her, never touched her or kissed her because I wanted her to know that I loved her not because of her flesh, but really heart to heart. There were times I said that I wanted to marry her. I even had arranged to go for travelling with her outside the country. Whenever we dated, she always gave like only 3 to 4 hours date at Saturday afternoon, and she had other plans at night with friends. And thats not even every Saturday, but like we met only about once every two weeks. She never picked up my call. And very very very often cancel date at last minute (so not meet at all for 2 weeks). Text very short too and took long to reply. My chat was always much longer than her showing that I really wanted to communicate with her.

As I said in my previous post, when we met, she often wear short pant. I often just ignored her sexiness because I wanted to build trust between her and me, showing that I loved her not because of her beauty, basically be respectful. When we broke up, she told me that I had no color, I was like white color she said, very kind, too kind she said. Then guess what, about 2 months later after we broke up, she already had boyfriend, with tattoo all over his leg down to feet, he also a smoker (like to smoke cigarette), definitely a bad boy compared to me. Me, on the other hand, is a nerd, have very good university degrees (both civil engineering and architecture), I am also not poor ( I teach at university and help run family business). And my appearance, since mid school I always been nominates as the cutest boy in school ( I have my photos around here in MAL). I play classical piano too. So I guess I am a guy with many positive side (although I have depression for 7 years and tailbone pain for 3 years, but I never told that weakness to my ex). So why did she broke up with me? The only conclusion I can pull is because I was not aggresive enough, I did not live up her fantasy, perhaps sexually. I regretted these days, maybe when I was in her apartment, I should have touched her and asked her to have sex on her bed, instead of just watching some drama at internet while eating home cooking that I brought from my house. Yes, I often brought her my home meal to her apartment because she liked to buy street foods for meal, I loved her and wanted her to be healthy, so I often brought her home cooked meal and when I was at her apartment, I made her breakfast for her to have it at the next day, and I also brought her fruits. But all those were useless , thats not what she wanted. She did not want good guy, coz she said it herself, that I was too kind for her, and she broke up with me.

Also there was a time when we already broke up, I chat her said that I respected her, and that I was sorry if I never made a more intimate connection with her like never kissed her or touched her in a more intimate way, then she said if I did that, she would already broke up with me a long time ago. She blocked me for 1 hour in chat, that unblocked again.

So even until now I am really confused whats wrong with me. Hopefully I never met a girl like her again in my life. Hopefully not all girls are like that. Hopefully I can find a girl that still know how to appreciate, loyal, and love her boyfriend. If such thing still exist... Judging from girls that I know and sosial media, I am more apathy if there is actually still a good girl these days..


That's rough. Sounds to me like she had other guys in her life tbh. Her behaviour was similar to mine when I've cheated in the past. In future you should at least kiss her and find out what she wants when it comes to sex. She could have told you aswell if she wanted sex. Also, don't do the waiting for hours thing. You need to show a woman that you don't have all the time in the world for them and their BS. You should let them know you aren't waiting all day for them. Maybe even cancel a date or two yourself. She didn't treat you right. She was bored and only told you at the end. The fact that she said she would have broken up with you sooner had you tried to touch her makes her even worse. She was literally just using you for something then. Limiting your time to max 4 hours and always going out with friends in the evenings was another huge red flag.

I hope you will find a better woman in the future. One that has respect and love for you. She won't act anywhere near as bad as this. But you will also have to be more physical with her from the get go. More kisses and hugs at a minimum. But try to leave her wanting more. You should be the one to stop kissing and pull away. You should be the one to stop hugging and pull away. Give her a taste so she wants more of you. And if you do get to the sex part make sure you aren't a one minute man.



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SemillaMinoria said:
These days women dress up for attention and then bitch about it when they get the attention that they were looking for. Best thing to do now as a guy is to not look their way when you see a hot girl. Don't go liking all of their pics on social media. You are only gassing their ego up further.

On the flip side if they don't get the attention that they are looking for from the right type of people that they are looking for they will get insecure.

In my relationship I often ignore my girl's sexiness and I often withhold compliments. I used to compliment whoever I was dating a lot before I got too hurt and damage from all of the cheating in the past.

I'm trying to be better with this. It seems that if a girl really likes you then giving her the attention that she wants helps you more in your relationship. But if you go too far with it then she could start to use it against you and become more controlling or want to find another guy.

Most men hate drama and women love drama. They want to date a guy that will put them through their various emotions. That's why they will date a bad boy. And also if they feel that a guy will elevate their own social status they will be attracted to him. Women like to make each other feel jealous and hate to feel jealous themselves. That's why it seems like women never know what they want. What they want is what everyone else wants. Generally speaking, of course.


Not a man thinking they know why women wear a skirt. Shut the hell up.

philtecturophy said:

When a guy look at her legs, the woman or girl will get angry. But are they really angry? Or maybe they are happy but show as if they are angry so they don't looked cheap?



The mentality of a rapist.

You're just mad that men are waking up to female nature. You can try to deny it but it is a fact that one of the biggest reasons that women dress up is for attention and validation. Yes there are of course other reasons such as just wanted to look and feel good and express yourself and fashion etc but the mating call and the trying to make others jealous is one of the biggest ones.
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Girls want "bad boys"

Only some of them. And some of them prefer good guys who are kind and caring.

I tried to be very respectful to her, never touched her or kissed her because I wanted her to know that I loved her not because of her flesh, but really heart to heart.

Being respectful to women does not mean not showing your affection for them physically. You can be respectful to them by listening and giving weight to their opinions. In fact, it would be very disappointing for a girl to know that she is only loved for her personality and does not attract her boyfriend physically. Not just that but it will also make her extremely insecure. If you are not sure about the level of physical intimacy your (future) gf desires, you should ask her. Don't assume what she wants.

Other than that, I would request that you not judge all women based on this one experience. Your gf seems to have treated you very coldly and that was not fair to you. She was not open about her wants. She is thankfully not a representation of all women out there. We all have our own flaws that need to be navigated but many of us are able to maintain good relationships.

Good luck and don't despair!
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this is the reason but just with other clothes
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This thread actually hurts my soul. Like seriously.

Girls can wear whatever they want to wear. They don't need a motivation for wearing it. The same as how men wear clothes that they wanna wear.

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ErwinTaichou said:
This thread actually hurts my soul. Like seriously.

Girls can wear whatever they want to wear. They don't need a motivation for wearing it. The same as how men wear clothes that they wanna wear.



We can be idealistic/naive and pretend that humans don't think before they act, but that would be lying to ourselves. There's nothing wrong with a woman wanting to look good. The problem is in how we approach a woman like that
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You should compliment your girlfriend more next time.. I don’t know why you would actively ignore her sexiness?


Right? You hear about all these lonely guys complaining about sex and the like, then when they actually get a girlfriend, they suddenly start ignoring it? Like girls don't also like feeling wanted, sexy, or.... like physical intimacy too? (I really think they think this)
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bucciaratishair said:


You should compliment your girlfriend more next time.. I don’t know why you would actively ignore her sexiness?


Right? You hear about all these lonely guys complaining about sex and the like, then when they actually get a girlfriend, they suddenly start ignoring it? Like girls don't also like feeling wanted, sexy, or.... like physical intimacy too? (I really think they think this)


I think that's because as guys we feel kind of pressured to NOT have sexual thoughts of women we know; some of us feel like creeps for it.

@foxsurprise

Subconsciously, we wear the clothes we wear, for some extent of validation. Think about it; if you were the only human on the planet, you probably wouldn't care at all how you dress. I'm not saying it's right to ogle at women; but at the same time, it's going to inevitably happen.
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Honestly, some of the replies on this thread are really concerning.

All women are not the same. We are not a hive-mind hell-bent on seducing men. Generally speaking, we just choose to wear whatever we like to wear and that's that.
Of course, there are women who dress to impress and others who wear something in order to appeal to someone they'd like to catch the eye of. But that applies to some men too. And it definitely doesn't apply to everyone; it all depends on the individual.

As for me, I loathe skirts. But I can't deny that they are convenient during the summer when it's way too hot to wear something like jeans. That's when I personally wear one, but only at home, simply because I feel insecure and ridiculous in one and DON'T want anyone to look at me as a result.

So whether a "motivation" for wearing a skirt exists depends entirely on the individual in question (and even that seems very questionable to me, but I am not one for fashion at all). So please take care as to not generalise groups of people and make them all out to be something they are not, especially if you are not part of said group. Everyone is different, regardless of your previous experiences or speculations.

(Excuse my rant, I simply felt I had to write down my own thoughts about this. I hope you understand my thoughts about this, should you read them. If you don't, I'd be happy to expand on the subject.)
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Curious to know what you all think of this woman. Is she seeking attention in those clothes or not?


Now I am starting to see why America is fatherless.
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ViktorLocke said:
@Ryuk9428

When I say "dominant" I meant guys who are charismatic, cool...or at least, appear to be that way.

Your conclusion is based on personnel experience; not stats, or a wide scale study. Maybe your brother is a great guy, I don't know him, so I can't judge. However, as to why he still doesn't have a girlfriend, I have some possible ideas:

-He hasn't talked to many girls
-He stops talking to girls quickly
-His body language turns them off
-He appeared desperate

Again, I don't know him personally, these are just theories. You said your brother attempted suicide because he couldn't get a girlfriend. That is not good; that is a sign of...not being secure with one self. And I suspect that showed through his interactions with girls. Girls do not like insecure men. Actually, most do not want to date an insecure person.

Being nice isn't enough. What about common interests? Chemistry?

Based on your post, it sounds you are very bitter about women. So I suspect that bitterness has shown through your interactions with women.


Girls want "bad boys", and I understand completely what @Ryuk9428 said coz I experienced it myself. Last year I broke up with my ex. She was very cute, tall, a perfect girl that I Iove so much. But she was always very cold to me. I basically did everything I could for her, bought her stuffs (bracelet, shoes, went to expensive restaurants, watched movies etc.), bought and installing furnitures at her apartment, often waiting her for hours when she had dance practice, never got angry even once although she was very often canceled our date meeting at last minute. She did not appreciate me at all, as a human being, let alone as her boyfriend. Even when she was my gf, all I ever did to her was holding her hand, I tried to be very respectful to her, never touched her or kissed her because I wanted her to know that I loved her not because of her flesh, but really heart to heart.

Ok, so she was super pretty but an unsufferable bitch, and you simped for her to show her you weren't in it for her sexy booty, but for her awful personality instead... dafuq?

I +1 @ViktorLocke here, girls don't want "bad boys" any more than dudes want big tiddies goth gfs. And they certainly don't flock to smokers because of it lmao, being a smoker drastically reduces your chances of dating, and having tatoos' the same. This is a myth.
Instead of looking for other weird explanations, maybe you should consider the reasons she gave you. Maybe she was bored out of her mind trying to dress sexy for you and ending up holding hands like a 11yo every time.

Regarding your brother, been there, blaming it on women is just dumb tho. Do you feel attracted to depressive girls?
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Cathen99 said:
Honestly, some of the replies on this thread are really concerning.

All women are not the same. We are not a hive-mind hell-bent on seducing men. Generally speaking, we just choose to wear whatever we like to wear and that's that.
Of course, there are women who dress to impress and others who wear something in order to appeal to someone they'd like to catch the eye of. But that applies to some men too. And it definitely doesn't apply to everyone; it all depends on the individual.

As for me, I loathe skirts. But I can't deny that they are convenient during the summer when it's way too hot to wear something like jeans. That's when I personally wear one, but only at home, simply because I feel insecure and ridiculous in one and DON'T want anyone to look at me as a result.

So whether a "motivation" for wearing a skirt exists depends entirely on the individual in question (and even that seems very questionable to me, but I am not one for fashion at all). So please take care as to not generalise groups of people and make them all out to be something they are not, especially if you are not part of said group. Everyone is different, regardless of your previous experiences or speculations.

(Excuse my rant, I simply felt I had to write down my own thoughts about this. I hope you understand my thoughts about this, should you read them. If you don't, I'd be happy to expand on the subject.)


What instant gratification and social media has done to younger generations is almost beyond repair.

It has left people the most lonely and bitter than they have ever been, and our society loves to turn people against one another: Men vs women, black against white, and so on.

Not to mention how much people like to be 'victims' these days; it's always easier to blame someone else than take responsibility and grow from it. It's a very bad mixture and sadly, these kind of guys are becoming more and more common.
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SemillaMinoria said:
Curious to know what you all think of this woman. Is she seeking attention in those clothes or not?


Bruh thats so depressing to look at.
I would be so embarrassed
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@Ryuk9428

I do not mean to personally attack your brother, but someone who is desperate to find a romantic or sexual partner to a point where they consider suicide...most would not want to be with someone like that. Yes, we all have our flaws, but this is an extreme one. There are plenty of guys who have never had a sexual/romantic partner, but most aren't considering suicide because of it.

Women are attracted to men who appear confident, smart, cool. Aside from stereotypical "bad boys" women go out with cool, smart, confident, men who don't get social anxiety, and whatnot. I think that at a young age, women have difficulty differentiating between confidence and arrogance.

There are obviously plenty of good men who aren't "bad boys" who have a romantic partners. In fact, most men who have a romantic partner or good men; if they weren't, then most men would be dicks. So in other words, you and your brother can find a romantic partner. But with the attitude you are displaying here; your bitterness towards women. It's easy for me to imagine that translates to your actual interactions with women in real life.

Have you tried joining any clubs? Any group meetups? Tried talking to more than a few women a year? Online dating? When interacting with women, do you try to find common interests? Have you considered what your body language is when you talk to women? I've spoken to some female friends online, and they told me that the reason why people in general don't like to talk to socially anxious/awkward people, is because it makes them feel awkward in turn. But you can get over social anxiety, by talking to people more.

If a woman doesn't want to have sex with you, it's probably because she's not into you. And where did you get this idea from that women in the past were nicer?


Who cares if you feel awkward, just get over it. Everything is awkward when you first meet someone, it is unreasonable to expect that any first meeting with somebody is not gonna be a little awkward. This is why I say they are petty, they care so much about what their first meeting with someone is like rather than what their long term potential is. Everybody becomes less awkward over time as they know somebody better. Being desperate is not so severe a flaw that it cancels out being great in every other way. Gentle guys don't like going long periods of time with no girl to bond with. Its a completely normal reaction to loneliness. Its just that modern society is fucked up and materialistic and thinks money and status is the end all, be all of everything. Well the truth is, even when you're rich, you won't be happy if you have no wife and no family. You could live in the greatest mansion ever with a pool in your backyard but you will eventually want to kill yourself if you have no one to share this mansion with.

I'm bitter towards women because I tried meeting, approaching, and talking with hundreds of girls over the course of about 6-8 years and barely got anywhere. Eventually every guy is just gonna throw in the towel and say fuck this, Western women are simply unreasonable. And I don't want to reward the behavior of modern women by doing what they want me to do. I will only marry a girl if she doesn't behave like other girls do or I will try girls from another country but I'm sick of Western women and their behavior. Every generation it gets worse and its time for this generation to put their foot down and say "we've had enough of this. We're not gonna take it anymore."

Well if the Western countries don't value our intelligence or people who try to be a good person then brain drain and moral drain is inevitable. Eventually we're all gonna wake up, go to foreign, developing countries where women treat us better and make those countries rich in return for treating us better than our home countries did. I've heard of guys going to all sorts of countries whether its Costa Rica, Ecuador, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Ukraine, all of them say its different there and they are much happier. The only way the Western countries can avoid this happening is if they finally start taking our complaints seriously and try to fix it rather than continue telling us its our job to conform and do what women want us to do. Cause quite frankly, they are the unreasonable ones. They are the ones with the absurdly high standards, they are the ones insisting on every guy being a kink monster or else "he's boring," they are the ones going out and fucking all these awful men.

If women want men's attitude towards them to change, stop thinking that calling us sexists or incels is gonna work. You can't change this feeling by attacking us. Its going to make our bitterness worse. You need to try and be better people. Stop fucking asshole guys, stop being masochists, stop being so absurdly promiscuous, give the awkward guy in the corner of the room a chance. And I'm not talking about being friends with him, I'm saying actually date him with the intention of seeking marriage in the future. Its really not that much to ask for and the fact that you treat this like its such a difficult request is just further proof to me of how spoiled this generation of women really is.
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Ryuk9428 said:
ViktorLocke said:
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I do not mean to personally attack your brother, but someone who is desperate to find a romantic or sexual partner to a point where they consider suicide...most would not want to be with someone like that. Yes, we all have our flaws, but this is an extreme one. There are plenty of guys who have never had a sexual/romantic partner, but most aren't considering suicide because of it.

Women are attracted to men who appear confident, smart, cool. Aside from stereotypical "bad boys" women go out with cool, smart, confident, men who don't get social anxiety, and whatnot. I think that at a young age, women have difficulty differentiating between confidence and arrogance.

There are obviously plenty of good men who aren't "bad boys" who have a romantic partners. In fact, most men who have a romantic partner or good men; if they weren't, then most men would be dicks. So in other words, you and your brother can find a romantic partner. But with the attitude you are displaying here; your bitterness towards women. It's easy for me to imagine that translates to your actual interactions with women in real life.

Have you tried joining any clubs? Any group meetups? Tried talking to more than a few women a year? Online dating? When interacting with women, do you try to find common interests? Have you considered what your body language is when you talk to women? I've spoken to some female friends online, and they told me that the reason why people in general don't like to talk to socially anxious/awkward people, is because it makes them feel awkward in turn. But you can get over social anxiety, by talking to people more.

If a woman doesn't want to have sex with you, it's probably because she's not into you. And where did you get this idea from that women in the past were nicer?


Who cares if you feel awkward, just get over it. Everything is awkward when you first meet someone, it is unreasonable to expect that any first meeting with somebody is not gonna be a little awkward. This is why I say they are petty, they care so much about what their first meeting with someone is like rather than what their long term potential is. Everybody becomes less awkward over time as they know somebody better. Being desperate is not so severe a flaw that it cancels out being great in every other way. Gentle guys don't like going long periods of time with no girl to bond with. Its a completely normal reaction to loneliness. Its just that modern society is fucked up and materialistic and thinks money and status is the end all, be all of everything. Well the truth is, even when you're rich, you won't be happy if you have no wife and no family. You could live in the greatest mansion ever with a pool in your backyard but you will eventually want to kill yourself if you have no one to share this mansion with.

I'm bitter towards women because I tried with hundreds of girls over the course of about 6-8 years and barely got anywhere. Eventually every guy is just gonna throw in the towel and say fuck this, Western women are simply unreasonable. And I don't want to reward the behavior of modern women by doing what they want me to do. I will only marry a girl if she doesn't behave like other girls do or I will try girls from another country but I'm sick of Western women and their behavior. Every generation it gets worse and its time for this generation to put their foot down and say "we've had enough of this. We're not gonna take it anymore."

Well if the Western countries don't value our intelligence or people who try to be a good person then brain drain and moral drain is inevitable. Eventually we're all gonna wake up, go to foreign, developing countries where women treat us better and make those countries rich in return for treating us better than our home countries did. The only way the Western countries can avoid this happening is if they finally start taking our complaints seriously and try to fix it rather than continue telling us its our job to conform and do what women want us to do. Cause quite frankly, they are the unreasonable ones. They are the ones with the absurdly high standards, they are the ones insisting on every guy being a kink monster or else "he's boring," they are the ones going out and fucking all these awful men.

If women want men's attitude towards them to change, stop thinking that calling us sexists or incels is gonna work. You can't change this feeling by attacking us. Its going to make our bitterness worse. You need to try and be better people. Stop fucking asshole guys, stop being masochists, stop being so absurdly promiscuous, give the awkward guy in the corner of the room a chance. And I'm not talking about being friends with him, I'm saying actually date him with the intention of seeking marriage in the future. Its really not that much to ask for and the fact that you treat this like its such a difficult request is just further proof to me of how spoiled this generation of women really is.


I don't know what the obsession guys like you have with foreign women vs the west, but it's embarrassing.

You'll find that women located in any area of the world, at any age or ethnicity can be a cunt like every other bad one you've dealt with.

The problem isn't groups of women, or women in general. If you keep having these issues, you know, it might just be you.
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Ryuk9428 "japan isn't into S&M."

meanwhile japan literally has a herbivore men and carnivore women.

also anime tsundere everywhere.

also form out of japan nagatoro, uzaki, Takagi, to name a few and there are more that are on there way form manga to anime.

I for one accept the future with our carnivore women overlords.


Mo168 said:
Jeez man, it’s just a skirt and don’t we dudes wear shorts too? Cmon, there’s no need to search for the philosophical meanings behind it.


most people wear short clothes live in the desert or very hot climates because guess what your not wearing your Victorian era outfit in 100 degrees weather.

however i personally do wear long sleeves and pants because i burn like a egg if i am exposed to sun light.
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Ryuk9428 said:

Who cares if you feel awkward, just get over it. Everything is awkward when you first meet someone, it is unreasonable to expect that any first meeting with somebody is not gonna be a little awkward.


Being awkward initially is a bit ok, but if it persists, it bothers both parties. Regardless of their sexes.

Ryuk9428 said:
This is why I say they are petty, they care so much about what their first meeting with someone is like rather than what their long term potential is.


When meeting people, neither men generally think about "long term potential." Because when we initially meet people, we generally aren't doing so out of romantic interest. We initially meet people just to be friends with them.

Ryuk9428 said:
Everybody becomes less awkward over time as they know somebody better.


Right. But that's not how people are generally thinking. It is expected to show a level of confidence when you first meet someone. Regardless of whether it's between man and man, woman and woman, man and woman, etc.

Ryuk9428 said:
Being desperate is not so severe a flaw that it cancels out being great in every other way.


Right, being a desperate person does not invalidate your other traits. But being desperate, certainly can greatly bother another person. And not just for women; but for men too. I would be greatly bothered if a girl I was dating appeared very needy and desperate to be with me. It's not really normal.

Ryuk9428 said:
Gentle guys don't like going long periods of time with no girl to bond with.


That is a huge generalization. Plenty of gentle, nice men, aren't interested in romance.

Ryuk9428 said:
Its a completely normal reaction to loneliness.


No, it is not. I do not know who told you that contemplating suicide because of not being able to find a romantic partner is normal, but it's not normal. Many men have difficulty finding a romantic partner, but they don't think about killing themselves over it. I've never been in a relationship, but I've never considered suicide because of it.

Ryuk9428 said:
Its just that modern society is fucked up and materialistic and thinks money and status is the end all, be all of everything.


Where are you getting these ideas from? Are you getting your ideas about women from social media? Like YouTube comments, Reddit, Twitter, etc?

Ryuk9428 said:
Well the truth is, even when you're rich, you won't be happy if you have no wife and no family. You could live in the greatest mansion ever with a pool in your backyard but you will eventually want to kill yourself if you have no one to share this mansion with.


That is not true at all. There are many people who are fine with being single. And many people, such as myself, who don't have a romantic partner, aren't unhappy because of it. Romance is not necessary to be happy; if it was, I'd be unhappy, and so would many, many other people.

Ryuk9428 said:
I'm bitter towards women because I tried meeting, approaching, and talking with hundreds of girls over the course of about 6-8 years and barely got anywhere.


Have you considered what you are doing/saying? Have you considered:

-Your body language?
-If you are coming off as needy/desperate?
-How you are starting a conversation?
-If you are making any sexual advancements? This one is serious; it is very creepy to make sexual advancements on someone, unless you have already established a relationship. At best, you make the girl uncomfortable; at worst, you're in jail.
-Where you are meeting these women? If you're meeting them at say, an orgy, then yeah, they're probably gonna be weird.

Ryuk9428 said:
Eventually every guy is just gonna throw in the towel and say fuck this, Western women are simply unreasonable. And I don't want to reward the behavior of modern women by doing what they want me to do. I will only marry a girl if she doesn't behave like other girls do or I will try girls from another country but I'm sick of Western women and their behavior. Every generation it gets worse and its time for this generation to put their foot down and say "we've had enough of this. We're not gonna take it anymore."


Please think about it logically; if most men in Western society who have a girlfriend/wife are happy with their relationship, how can Western women be unreasonable? In fact, most men who are married or have a girlfriend aren't even rich.

Ryuk9428 said:
Well if the Western countries don't value our intelligence or people who try to be a good person then brain drain and moral drain is inevitable. Eventually we're all gonna wake up, go to foreign, developing countries where women treat us better and make those countries rich in return for treating us better than our home countries did. I've heard of guys going to all sorts of countries whether its Costa Rica, Ecuador, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Ukraine, all of them say its different there and they are much happier. The only way the Western countries can avoid this happening is if they finally start taking our complaints seriously and try to fix it rather than continue telling us its our job to conform and do what women want us to do. Cause quite frankly, they are the unreasonable ones. They are the ones with the absurdly high standards,


Again, that's just your experience, and a few others.

Ryuk9428 said:
they are the ones insisting on every guy being a kink monster or else "he's boring," they are the ones going out and fucking all these awful men.


I'm pretty sure most people aren't into being kinky.

Ryuk9428 said:
If women want men's attitude towards them to change, stop thinking that calling us sexists or incels is gonna work.


Women don't call most men sexist or incels. But you are being sexist, and you are being an absolute incel.

Ryuk9428 said:
You can't change this feeling by attacking us. Its going to make our bitterness worse. You need to try and be better people. Stop fucking asshole guys, stop being masochists, stop being so absurdly promiscuous, give the awkward guy in the corner of the room a chance. And I'm not talking about being friends with him, I'm saying actually date him with the intention of seeking marriage in the future. Its really not that much to ask for and the fact that you treat this like its such a difficult request is just further proof to me of how spoiled this generation of women really is.


So instead of changing YOURSELF, you believe 50% of the human population should change themselves to suit your desires?
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The general motivation is to look good, and depending on who the girl is, it may be to attract potential partners, or just to give them a confidence boost. It just varies.

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Ryuk9428 "japan isn't into S&M."

meanwhile japan literally has a herbivore men and carnivore women.

also anime tsundere everywhere.

also form out of japan nagatoro, uzaki, Takagi, to name a few and there are more that are on there way form manga to anime.

I honestly hope the Ryuk moves to Japan and ends it up with a female co-worker or neighbor that makes fun of him everyday


I wish it for every incel who thinks Asian women will suddenly love them genuinely. If they had the balls to actually do it, it would happen. :)
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@Ryuk9428

I do not mean to personally attack your brother, but someone who is desperate to find a romantic or sexual partner to a point where they consider suicide...most would not want to be with someone like that. Yes, we all have our flaws, but this is an extreme one. There are plenty of guys who have never had a sexual/romantic partner, but most aren't considering suicide because of it.

Women are attracted to men who appear confident, smart, cool. Aside from stereotypical "bad boys" women go out with cool, smart, confident, men who don't get social anxiety, and whatnot. I think that at a young age, women have difficulty differentiating between confidence and arrogance.

There are obviously plenty of good men who aren't "bad boys" who have a romantic partners. In fact, most men who have a romantic partner or good men; if they weren't, then most men would be dicks. So in other words, you and your brother can find a romantic partner. But with the attitude you are displaying here; your bitterness towards women. It's easy for me to imagine that translates to your actual interactions with women in real life.

Have you tried joining any clubs? Any group meetups? Tried talking to more than a few women a year? Online dating? When interacting with women, do you try to find common interests? Have you considered what your body language is when you talk to women? I've spoken to some female friends online, and they told me that the reason why people in general don't like to talk to socially anxious/awkward people, is because it makes them feel awkward in turn. But you can get over social anxiety, by talking to people more.

If a woman doesn't want to have sex with you, it's probably because she's not into you. And where did you get this idea from that women in the past were nicer?


Who cares if you feel awkward, just get over it. Everything is awkward when you first meet someone, it is unreasonable to expect that any first meeting with somebody is not gonna be a little awkward. This is why I say they are petty, they care so much about what their first meeting with someone is like rather than what their long term potential is. Everybody becomes less awkward over time as they know somebody better. Being desperate is not so severe a flaw that it cancels out being great in every other way. Gentle guys don't like going long periods of time with no girl to bond with. Its a completely normal reaction to loneliness. Its just that modern society is fucked up and materialistic and thinks money and status is the end all, be all of everything. Well the truth is, even when you're rich, you won't be happy if you have no wife and no family. You could live in the greatest mansion ever with a pool in your backyard but you will eventually want to kill yourself if you have no one to share this mansion with.

I'm bitter towards women because I tried meeting, approaching, and talking with hundreds of girls over the course of about 6-8 years and barely got anywhere. Eventually every guy is just gonna throw in the towel and say fuck this, Western women are simply unreasonable. And I don't want to reward the behavior of modern women by doing what they want me to do. I will only marry a girl if she doesn't behave like other girls do or I will try girls from another country but I'm sick of Western women and their behavior. Every generation it gets worse and its time for this generation to put their foot down and say "we've had enough of this. We're not gonna take it anymore."

Well if the Western countries don't value our intelligence or people who try to be a good person then brain drain and moral drain is inevitable. Eventually we're all gonna wake up, go to foreign, developing countries where women treat us better and make those countries rich in return for treating us better than our home countries did. I've heard of guys going to all sorts of countries whether its Costa Rica, Ecuador, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Ukraine, all of them say its different there and they are much happier. The only way the Western countries can avoid this happening is if they finally start taking our complaints seriously and try to fix it rather than continue telling us its our job to conform and do what women want us to do. Cause quite frankly, they are the unreasonable ones. They are the ones with the absurdly high standards, they are the ones insisting on every guy being a kink monster or else "he's boring," they are the ones going out and fucking all these awful men.

If women want men's attitude towards them to change, stop thinking that calling us sexists or incels is gonna work. You can't change this feeling by attacking us. Its going to make our bitterness worse. You need to try and be better people. Stop fucking asshole guys, stop being masochists, stop being so absurdly promiscuous, give the awkward guy in the corner of the room a chance. And I'm not talking about being friends with him, I'm saying actually date him with the intention of seeking marriage in the future. Its really not that much to ask for and the fact that you treat this like its such a difficult request is just further proof to me of how spoiled this generation of women really is.

You're a MGTOW and you didn't even know it. What you just said is the true view of MGTOW and the reason why it exists. MGTOW are not a bunch of incel women haters. MGTOW recognise exactly what you have stated and say that men need to either stop marrying western women, stop dating them all together or find women from abroad who still appreciate men in a traditional way and appreciate their role as a traditional woman.

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Who cares if you feel awkward, just get over it. Everything is awkward when you first meet someone, it is unreasonable to expect that any first meeting with somebody is not gonna be a little awkward. This is why I say they are petty, they care so much about what their first meeting with someone is like rather than what their long term potential is. Everybody becomes less awkward over time as they know somebody better. Being desperate is not so severe a flaw that it cancels out being great in every other way. Gentle guys don't like going long periods of time with no girl to bond with. Its a completely normal reaction to loneliness. Its just that modern society is fucked up and materialistic and thinks money and status is the end all, be all of everything. Well the truth is, even when you're rich, you won't be happy if you have no wife and no family. You could live in the greatest mansion ever with a pool in your backyard but you will eventually want to kill yourself if you have no one to share this mansion with.

I'm bitter towards women because I tried with hundreds of girls over the course of about 6-8 years and barely got anywhere. Eventually every guy is just gonna throw in the towel and say fuck this, Western women are simply unreasonable. And I don't want to reward the behavior of modern women by doing what they want me to do. I will only marry a girl if she doesn't behave like other girls do or I will try girls from another country but I'm sick of Western women and their behavior. Every generation it gets worse and its time for this generation to put their foot down and say "we've had enough of this. We're not gonna take it anymore."

Well if the Western countries don't value our intelligence or people who try to be a good person then brain drain and moral drain is inevitable. Eventually we're all gonna wake up, go to foreign, developing countries where women treat us better and make those countries rich in return for treating us better than our home countries did. The only way the Western countries can avoid this happening is if they finally start taking our complaints seriously and try to fix it rather than continue telling us its our job to conform and do what women want us to do. Cause quite frankly, they are the unreasonable ones. They are the ones with the absurdly high standards, they are the ones insisting on every guy being a kink monster or else "he's boring," they are the ones going out and fucking all these awful men.

If women want men's attitude towards them to change, stop thinking that calling us sexists or incels is gonna work. You can't change this feeling by attacking us. Its going to make our bitterness worse. You need to try and be better people. Stop fucking asshole guys, stop being masochists, stop being so absurdly promiscuous, give the awkward guy in the corner of the room a chance. And I'm not talking about being friends with him, I'm saying actually date him with the intention of seeking marriage in the future. Its really not that much to ask for and the fact that you treat this like its such a difficult request is just further proof to me of how spoiled this generation of women really is.


I don't know what the obsession guys like you have with foreign women vs the west, but it's embarrassing.

You'll find that women located in any area of the world, at any age or ethnicity can be a cunt like every other bad one you've dealt with.

The problem isn't groups of women, or women in general. If you keep having these issues, you know, it might just be you.

That's just wrong. Sure everyone has it in them to be bad but the truth is in each society the general behaviour is different. It just so happens that in foreign societies a lot of women are not feminists.

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Ryuk9428 "japan isn't into S&M."

meanwhile japan literally has a herbivore men and carnivore women.

also anime tsundere everywhere.

also form out of japan nagatoro, uzaki, Takagi, to name a few and there are more that are on there way form manga to anime.

I honestly hope the Ryuk moves to Japan and ends it up with a female co-worker or neighbor that makes fun of him everyday

Japanese women are by no means perfect either. There are problems with dating, work life balance and marriage over there for sure. Hence the declining birthrate. Their women are extremely materialistic. But there are still those who do things the traditional way. There are other countries where the women still do things the traditional way. But hypergamy is a thing with women everywhere. They will always seek a more high value man than the one that they already have. Whether they realise it or not. It takes more than just love to keep a woman around one man for life.
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ProfessionalNEET said:

I honestly hope the Ryuk moves to Japan and ends it up with a female co-worker or neighbor that makes fun of him everyday


I wish it for every incel who thinks Asian women will suddenly love them genuinely. If they had the balls to actually do it, it would happen. :)


If anything, they'd have even a worse time finding romance in Japan, since:

1) The extremely long work hours, and emphasis on work (meaning a LOT less time for dating)
2) How Japanese people are, culturally speaking, a lot less intimate than the West. I've heard that Japanese people generally don't even hug their own families.
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I wish it for every incel who thinks Asian women will suddenly love them genuinely. If they had the balls to actually do it, it would happen. :)


If anything, they'd have even a worse time finding romance in Japan, since:

1) The extremely long work hours, and emphasis on work (meaning a LOT less time for dating)
2) How Japanese people are, culturally speaking, a lot less intimate than the West. I've heard that Japanese people generally don't even hug their own families.


This just in, they have no sense of reality at all. And no one was surprised.

I don't know why these guys don't just buy this; this will give them their Asian fantasy with none of the work and dealing with those real 'awful' beings known as women:

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CrimsonCW said:
ViktorLocke said:


If anything, they'd have even a worse time finding romance in Japan, since:

1) The extremely long work hours, and emphasis on work (meaning a LOT less time for dating)
2) How Japanese people are, culturally speaking, a lot less intimate than the West. I've heard that Japanese people generally don't even hug their own families.


This just in, they have no sense of reality at all. And no one was surprised.

I don't know why these guys don't just buy this; this will give them their Asian fantasy with none of the work and dealing with those real 'awfu'l human beings known as women:



This is so depressing, it's kind of funny. But honestly? I'm not surprised. I remember seeing a commercial where in Japan, they've made like these actual human-looking robots, to act as emotional substitutes for actual humans.

There's also this:
https://adland.tv/adnews/japan-you-can-marry-your-waifu-or-husbando#:~:text=That's%20your%20anime%20crush%2C%20but,going%20to%20have%20to%20choose.

Honestly, Japan is probably one of the last places anyone should go to to find meaningful romance.
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CrimsonCW said:


This just in, they have no sense of reality at all. And no one was surprised.

I don't know why these guys don't just buy this; this will give them their Asian fantasy with none of the work and dealing with those real 'awfu'l human beings known as women:



This is so depressing, it's kind of funny. But honestly? I'm not surprised. I remember seeing a commercial where in Japan, they've made like these actual human-looking robots, to act as emotional substitutes for actual humans.

There's also this:
https://adland.tv/adnews/japan-you-can-marry-your-waifu-or-husbando#:~:text=That's%20your%20anime%20crush%2C%20but,going%20to%20have%20to%20choose.

Honestly, Japan is probably one of the last places anyone should go to to find meaningful romance.


The real reason behind their population decline; not because 'women there are bitches'. Again, in their minds, it's always the woman's fault; no other reason. Not socially stunted men who are way too into anime.... wait..... woah! Sounds familiar, huh?
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ViktorLocke said:


This is so depressing, it's kind of funny. But honestly? I'm not surprised. I remember seeing a commercial where in Japan, they've made like these actual human-looking robots, to act as emotional substitutes for actual humans.

There's also this:
https://adland.tv/adnews/japan-you-can-marry-your-waifu-or-husbando#:~:text=That's%20your%20anime%20crush%2C%20but,going%20to%20have%20to%20choose.

Honestly, Japan is probably one of the last places anyone should go to to find meaningful romance.


The real reason behind their population decline; not because 'women there are bitches'. Again, in their minds, it's always the woman's fault; no other reason. Not socially stunted men who are way too into anime.... wait..... woah! Sounds familiar, huh?

Did you know that the men have to hand over their paycheck to their wife in Japan and she gives him back an allowance? Do you know how easy it is for women to abuse that? Do you know that Japanese women can be very materialistic? You can't just blame men for watching anime. Why not ask why they are preferring to watch anime rather than date a woman instead? Instead of blaming the cause you blame the symptom. lol.
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@ViktorLocke and @CrimsonCW are completely brainwashed. They are talking over comments like they think nobody can read what they are saying.

Believe me crimson, you're not the first person who thought mockery was gonna work and you won't be the last. The manosphere's ideology is going to spread and there's nothing you can do about it because like I said, the truth is a powerful force.
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@ViktorLocke and @CrimsonCW are completely brainwashed. They are talking over comments like they think nobody can read what they are saying.

Believe me crimson, you're not the first person who thought mockery was gonna work and you won't be the last. The manosphere's ideology is going to spread and there's nothing you can do about it because like I said, the truth is a powerful force.


I'm going to cap this before you inevitably edit it. Please, keep going. I haven't laughed this hard in a long time.
Finally, something of value in this lame topic. :)

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Anger can be powerful but can only get you so far. Let people into your life even if some of them leave you in time.

Fight. Like. Hell. For everything and everyone you love. Always.
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Ryuk9428 said:
@SemillaMinoria

@ViktorLocke and @CrimsonCW are completely brainwashed. They are talking over comments like they think nobody can read what they are saying.

Believe me crimson, you're not the first person who thought mockery was gonna work and you won't be the last. The manosphere's ideology is going to spread and there's nothing you can do about it because like I said, the truth is a powerful force.


I'm going to cap this before you inevitably edit it. Please, keep going. I haven't laughed this hard in a long time.
Finally, something of value in this lame topic. :)


Says the guy who blocks people and deletes comments you don't like hearing the truth. You are nothing more than an instigator and a hater.

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Honestly, I think the Japanese incels are legitimately lazy.

The Japanese government provides AI matchmaking services, cheap, legal prostitution, the majority of women in Japan actually do say they want to be married, there's no hookup culture in Japan and girls are much more forgiving of guys who are shy or awkward. Anybody who really wants to find a girlfriend in Japan can do it because their society intentionally makes it as easy as it is ethically possible. Once you look at who the incels in Japan are the picture becomes extremely clear. Guys in the middle 50% of income are 10x more likely to have had sex as the bottom 25% and guys in the top 25% of income are 20x more likely. The thing is though, those studies of Japanese virgins frame their question as "heterosexual intercourse." And once you account for the fact that some men have only had gay sex, the incel rates among the top 25% of income earners in Japan completely vanishes into a negligible statistic and barely any of the middle 50% are. The bottom 25% of income earners represent almost the entire population of virgins you keep hearing about in Japan. I would have sympathy for them, but all you need to do is to make more than 25k a year to be in the middle 50% of income. Basically don't be a minimum wage worker and you're good. A job paying $15 an hour would put you in the middle 50% category and some Japanese women responding to surveys have said they'd be willing to marry a guy only making 30k a year. If a guy can't even do that then how can he take care of a girlfriend/wife?

Japanese women expect to be taken care of by a guy. I think this is actually reasonable. Japanese guys who are incels are so because they can't take care of a girl. Whereas American girls make a guy into an incel because he's not aggressive enough for them.
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