Season 4 Blu-Ray Release Date Has Been Postponed

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“Are we gonna see 2D Titans?” No, someone is deffo asking that but stop, CGI wasn’t awful. Also the delay is disappointing but it’s not a huge deal.

The CGI was aweful.

that was actually good cgi... Did u forget s3 colossal cgi? Remember how bad that was? And if u want a comparison go and watch ex arm.. It's made with cgi and is still airing rn if I'm not wrong...mappa's cgi is still 10x better than any other's. Ofcourse 2d is always better but they don't have time for 2d rn so ye

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Fada_Fx said:
“Are we gonna see 2D Titans?” No, someone is deffo asking that but stop, CGI wasn’t awful. Also the delay is disappointing but it’s not a huge deal.

The CGI was awful bud, hate to tell you

Apr 9, 2021 5:43 PM

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It could be very much because they are super busy working on part 2 and don't want to postpone it, so they would rather postpone the Blu-ray instead. I'm assuming all their animators are either busy with CSM, part 2 or JJK, so it might take longer to fix whatever they need to fix. Fans will flame them if they postpone part 2, their best bet is to push back the blu-ray release date.

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Fada_Fx said:
“Are we gonna see 2D Titans?” No, someone is deffo asking that but stop, CGI wasn’t awful. Also the delay is disappointing but it’s not a huge deal.

The CGI was awfull

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badmintona said:

The CGI was aweful.

that was actually good cgi... Did u forget s3 colossal cgi? Remember how bad that was? And if u want a comparison go and watch ex arm.. It's made with cgi and is still airing rn if I'm not wrong...mappa's cgi is still 10x better than any other's. Ofcourse 2d is always better but they don't have time for 2d rn so ye

Ok but Beastars CGI is better than AoT's CGI, therefore by YOUR logic, Attack on Titan CGI is justifiably shit

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Fada_Fx said:
“Are we gonna see 2D Titans?” No, someone is deffo asking that but stop, CGI wasn’t awful. Also the delay is disappointing but it’s not a huge deal.

CGI was fine. I don’t understand why the titans have to be 2D. The Titans actually looked more unreal. It’s be different if the Titans were flipped from 2D to 3D like Ex Arm then that’s another story. If anything looked a little rough it was the rotoscoping done, at least in the first few episodes.

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The CGI doesn't compare to the best in the industry like Beastars or Land of the Lustrous, but it also doesn't compare to stuff like Berserk or Ex-Arm (except that final scene of episode 6 where Eren pulls out Warhammer plug that one's really bad lol).

The CGI just varies from fine-good, very rarely looking bad. Also, guys, if you're defending the CG by saying how it's better than Ex-Arm/Berserk, you've already lost the argument lol. AoT scenes literally used to be in sakuga compilation videos on YT, and now you're comparing it to some of the worst CG in the anime industry? At least try comparing it to more average CG.

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Awesomeness_1307 said:
The CGI doesn't compare to the best in the industry like Beastars or Land of the Lustrous, but it also doesn't compare to stuff like Berserk or Ex-Arm (except that final scene of episode 6 where Eren pulls out Warhammer plug that one's really bad lol).

The CGI just varies from fine-good, very rarely looking bad. Also, guys, if you're defending the CG by saying how it's better than Ex-Arm/Berserk, you've already lost the argument lol. AoT scenes literally used to be in sakuga compilation videos on YT, and now you're comparing it to some of the worst CG in the anime industry? At least try comparing it to more average CG.

I agree with you there, but I'm just really confused at this point; I created this thread to discuss the release dates of the blu-ray and more specifically about how they were postponed and what people's thoughts were about it, not about their opinion on the CGI; well I guess I can see why people are talking about it, it all started with the one dude saying that they think the CGI is bad, but still...... all I see are people talking about CGI except for like two people

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I agree with you there, but I'm just really confused at this point; I created this thread to discuss the release dates of the blu-ray and more specifically about how they were postponed, not about the CGI; well I guess I can see why people are talking about it, but still...... all I see are people talking about CGI except for like one person

Haha sorry bout that. I guess I don't really know what there is to discuss about blu-ray release dates, since we don't know what's going on behind the scenes at MAPPA. I'll just repost here what I posted in the 'General Discussion Thread'.

The blu-ray has been delayed. https://twitter.com/AoTWiki/status/1380084337287163906

This is good news perhaps? The first half of part 1 has been delayed a few weeks longer than the second half, so, I'm expecting decent improvements to episode 6.

Possibilities:
1) This delay is because they have been improving it all this time and want to make it as good as possible. They grasp how popular this show is, and have taken all the criticism into consideration, and hence want to polish it as much as they can.

2) The staff has been so busy on other projects all this time that they haven't had time to work on the blu-ray at all. They've just started heavily working on it.

Conclusion: They definitely do care about the blu-ray, and I think it's safe to expect that it'll look a bit better than the TV version, otherwise they wouldn't have gone through the hassle of postponing it. If they really didn't care, they would just release the TV version as is. When I say 'they', I refer to whoever makes decisions regarding the blu-ray, most probably the production committee.

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Zackack99 said:

I agree with you there, but I'm just really confused at this point; I created this thread to discuss the release dates of the blu-ray and more specifically about how they were postponed, not about the CGI; well I guess I can see why people are talking about it, but still...... all I see are people talking about CGI except for like one person

Haha sorry bout that. I guess I don't really know what there is to discuss about blu-ray release dates, since we don't know what's going on behind the scenes at MAPPA. I'll just repost here what I posted in the 'GENERAL Discussion Thread'.

The blu-ray has been delayed. https://twitter.com/AoTWiki/status/1380084337287163906

This is good news perhaps? The first half of part 1 has been delayed a few weeks longer than the second half, so, I'm expecting decent improvements to episode 6.

Possibilities:
1) This delay is because they have been improving it all this time and want to make it as good as possible. They grasp how popular this show is, and have taken all the criticism into consideration, and hence want to polish it as much as they can.

2) The staff has been so busy on other projects all this time that they haven't had time to work on the blu-ray at all. They've just started heavily working on it.

Conclusion: They definitely do care about the blu-ray, and I think it's safe to expect that it'll look a bit better than the TV version, otherwise they wouldn't have gone through the hassle of postponing it. If they really didn't care, they would just release the TV version as is. When I say 'they', I refer to whoever makes decisions regarding the blu-ray, most probably the production committee.

No worries about it. Yeah, those are definitely possibilities, but like the translation stated; it was postponed due to production reasons so that would basically be your second possibility that you just stated, but I really do hope that they take all of the criticism into consideration. Well, we'll have to see once the blu-ray comes out

Apr 9, 2021 7:56 PM

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badmintona said:

The CGI was aweful.

that was actually good cgi... Did u forget s3 colossal cgi? Remember how bad that was? And if u want a comparison go and watch ex arm.. It's made with cgi and is still airing rn if I'm not wrong...mappa's cgi is still 10x better than any other's. Ofcourse 2d is always better but they don't have time for 2d rn so ye

wow i never saw someone giving such stupid arguments lol.
the only thing you say is that there are worse CGI than this one but you don't say because the one of s4 is better, you are a bit of a shame.

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that was actually good cgi... Did u forget s3 colossal cgi? Remember how bad that was? And if u want a comparison go and watch ex arm.. It's made with cgi and is still airing rn if I'm not wrong...mappa's cgi is still 10x better than any other's. Ofcourse 2d is always better but they don't have time for 2d rn so ye

Ok but Beastars CGI is better than AoT's CGI, therefore by YOUR logic, Attack on Titan CGI is justifiably shit

I mean mappa had no time to do an incredible job on the cgi... 8months for a 16 eps season is nearly not enough but still despite mappa did a really good job. But just because beastars cgi is better than mappa's that doesn't mean mappa's cgi was "shit".. Mappa's cgi was good cgi, not the best but it was really good. Watch TheAnimeMan's attack on titan review.

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Fada_Fx said:
“Are we gonna see 2D Titans?” No, someone is deffo asking that but stop, CGI wasn’t awful. Also the delay is disappointing but it’s not a huge deal.

For me the CGI was awful especially for the attack titan and MONKE...
Jaw titan and cart looked amazing in CGI but the rest wasn't just that great...
But, still it was acceptable...

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Source: https://shingeki.tv/news/archives/6150

Translation: "Attack On Titan" The Final Season 1-2 Release Date Postponement
Thank you for always supporting the anime "Attack On Titan".
We have decided to postpone the release of "Attack On Titan" The Final Season 1-2 Blu-ray / DVD due to production reasons.
We deeply apologize for the inconvenience caused to customers who have already made reservations and who are looking forward to the product.

■ Target product / Release date after postponement
・ "Attack On Titan" The Final Season 1 [First Press Limited Blu-ray] (PCXG.60101)
・ "Attack On Titan" The Final Season 1 [First Limited DVD] (PCBG.61901)
Release date before change: May 19, 2021 → Release date after postponement: July 7, 2021

・ "Attack On Titan" The Final Season 2 [First Press Limited Blu-ray] (PCXG.60102)
・ "Attack On Titan" The Final Season 2 [First Limited DVD] (PCBG.61902)
Release date before change: July 21, 2021 → Release date after postponement: August 4, 2021

Thoughts on this?

I don't really care about the Blu-ray though coz you won't get 2D titans in Blu-ray so there's no point if it gets delayed or not...
All i care about is the final season part-2...
I just hope everything goes smoothly and we get a little better animation than part-1...

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I mean mappa had no time to do an incredible job on the cgi... 8months for a 16 eps season is nearly not enough but still despite mappa did a really good job. But just because beastars cgi is better than mappa's that doesn't mean mappa's cgi was "shit".. Mappa's cgi was good cgi, not the best but it was really good. Watch TheAnimeMan's attack on titan review.

I don't disagree with you, but AnimeMan's review is not the ones you wanna watch if you want serious opinions on animation. In fact, almost no mainstream reviewer knows shit about animation, and they're all like 'UMM ITS NOT THAT BAD, THE FANDOM IS JUST CRAZY, THIS IS NOT THE WORST THING EVER, ITS ACTUALLY NOT BAD'. The only good reviewer I've found (for animation) is The Canipa Effect.

P.S. Let's just not forget that MAPPA is the one who deliberately put their staff in this situation/inhumane schedule.

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lol even with the BluRay version they have production schedule problems so forget about BIG improvements on the BluRay version

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goodguylegy said:
I mean mappa had no time to do an incredible job on the cgi... 8months for a 16 eps season is nearly not enough but still despite mappa did a really good job. But just because beastars cgi is better than mappa's that doesn't mean mappa's cgi was "shit".. Mappa's cgi was good cgi, not the best but it was really good. Watch TheAnimeMan's attack on titan review.

I don't disagree with you, but AnimeMan's review is not the ones you wanna watch if you want serious opinions on animation. In fact, almost no mainstream reviewer knows shit about animation, and they're all like 'UMM ITS NOT THAT BAD, THE FANDOM IS JUST CRAZY, THIS IS NOT THE WORST THING EVER, ITS ACTUALLY NOT BAD'. The only good reviewer I've found (for animation) is The Canipa Effect.

P.S. Let's just not forget that MAPPA is the one who deliberately put their staff in this situation/inhumane schedule.

I mean if it wasn't for mappa then there wouldn't be a aot s4 rn... 12 different studios rejected aot and mappa was the only one who accepted the offer even when they were already busy with JJK and other animes. And mappa asked the publishers of aot for extra 8months or so to work on the anime but they were denied and had to rush everything. It's not mappa's fault. It's the publishers.

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goodguylegy said:
It's not mappa's fault. It's the publishers.

Explain something to me. The production committee approached many studios, probably all the top tier ones, right? Why do you think they all refused? Because they knew that it wasn't possible to create a product of a high standard in the schedule they were being offered.

Then why did MAPPA accept the project? How is this lacklustre product NOT MAPPA's fault? Did anyone force MAPPA into taking this project?

Apr 10, 2021 4:49 AM

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goodguylegy said:
It's not mappa's fault. It's the publishers.

Explain something to me. The production committee approached many studios, probably all the top tier ones, right? Why do you think they all refused? Because they knew that it wasn't possible to create a product of a high standard in the schedule they were being offered.

Then why did MAPPA accept the project? How is this lacklustre product NOT MAPPA's fault? Did anyone force MAPPA into taking this project?

that's the thing... Mappa shouldn't accepted at all but they did and we should be grateful bcuz if they hadn't there probably wouldn't have been a s4 for like 1 or 2yrs. Remind u that mappa was the last studio they asked, so if they refused that would have been it.

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that's the thing... Mappa shouldn't accepted at all but they did and we should be grateful bcuz if they hadn't there probably wouldn't have been a s4 for like 1 or 2yrs. Remind u that mappa was the last studio they asked, so if they refused that would have been it.

You don't know that. The anime industry is so unpredictable and unstable that YOU JUST CAN'T PREDICT WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED.

The fact remains, that just because a company picks up a project when they are clearly not capable to perform properly at the moment, we shouldn't be sucking their dicks.

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Goldfish12 said:

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“Are we gonna see 2D Titans?” No, someone is deffo asking that but stop, CGI wasn’t awful. Also the delay is disappointing but it’s not a huge deal.

The CGI was awful bud, hate to tell you

According to what? It's on the level of beastars. Even animators who aren't working on aot loved the cgi of attack on titan.

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According to what? It's on the level of beastars. Even animators who aren't working on aot loved the cgi of attack on titan.

It's definitely not awful, it just varies from average-good. Very rarely it is great or bad. Level of Beastars?

*doubt

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racers551 said:

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The CGI was awful bud, hate to tell you

According to what? It's on the level of beastars. Even animators who aren't working on aot loved the cgi of attack on titan.

Some of the titans were ok, but the attack titan and beast titan were dreadful. It seems like the CGI got worse throughout the season, it was good in ep 1-2, and then went downhill. Episode 14 was probably the worst though.

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I mean mappa had no time to do an incredible job on the cgi... 8months for a 16 eps season is nearly not enough but still despite mappa did a really good job. But just because beastars cgi is better than mappa's that doesn't mean mappa's cgi was "shit".. Mappa's cgi was good cgi, not the best but it was really good. Watch TheAnimeMan's attack on titan review.

MAPPA had production issues, Ex Arm and Berserk had production issues, you're point is extremely biased.

You use Ex Arm and Berserk to praise AoT because those were so bad compared to AoT, but we can't use Beastars' CGI to put down AoT because of how better it was in comparison. You then say well AoT had production issues as if Ex Arm didn't. Should we just forgive Ex Arm and stop bashing the CGI because of the fact that nobody from the studio has ever made anime in the first place? No. Nobody is sympathetic with Ex Arm, it's ridiculous and hypocritical to think we should be so for AoT as well.

And don't bring up an anituber in your argument

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goodguylegy said:
I mean mappa had no time to do an incredible job on the cgi... 8months for a 16 eps season is nearly not enough but still despite mappa did a really good job. But just because beastars cgi is better than mappa's that doesn't mean mappa's cgi was "shit".. Mappa's cgi was good cgi, not the best but it was really good. Watch TheAnimeMan's attack on titan review.

MAPPA had production issues, Ex Arm and Berserk had production issues, you're point is extremely biased.

You use Ex Arm and Berserk to praise AoT because those were so bad compared to AoT, but we can't use Beastars' CGI to put down AoT because of how better it was in comparison. You then say well AoT had production issues as if Ex Arm didn't. Should we just forgive Ex Arm and stop bashing the CGI because of the fact that nobody from the studio has ever made anime in the first place? No. Nobody is sympathetic with Ex Arm, it's ridiculous and hypocritical to think we should be so for AoT as well.

And don't bring up an anituber in your argument

Ex-arm and 2016 beserk =/= Attack on Titan. There were a lot more problems than just animation.

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Ex-arm and 2016 beserk =/= Attack on Titan. There were a lot more problems than just animation.

Then why are you guys making the comparison between the two??? If you're gonna praise AoT's CGI don't bring in Ex Arm and Berserk.

It's clear to me that you jumped into our discussion without even reading the it first

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i hope the fix some lighting in levi vs beast and Eren's jacket scene , thats all everything else is fine

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MinorTatu said:

goodguylegy said:

that was actually good cgi... Did u forget s3 colossal cgi? Remember how bad that was? And if u want a comparison go and watch ex arm.. It's made with cgi and is still airing rn if I'm not wrong...mappa's cgi is still 10x better than any other's. Ofcourse 2d is always better but they don't have time for 2d rn so ye

Ok but Beastars CGI is better than AoT's CGI, therefore by YOUR logic, Attack on Titan CGI is justifiably shit

Ok but Ex-Arm CGI is worse than AoT's CGI, there by YOUR logic, Attack on Titan CGI is justifiably good.

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CGI this CGI that.

Fuck CGI. Everyone keeps talking about how shit it is. Nobody's talking about the fact it got postponed in the first place. The fact it got postponed at all is a miracle, we should be happy to see improvements no matter what. Then there's those saying Mappa's at fault for accepting it. Ok, go tell tell that to the producers. You want the studio and publisher to lose profits from the manga due to loss of hype in Japan when the studio needs a budget to animate? Fine. Tell the production committee. Mappa was just given the job and asked for more time and got rejected. If Mappa declined, the manga wouldnt have had its sales boosted, as was confirmed recently, thus everyone has a lot to lose. And don't forget, just because Mappa is on the production committee doesn't mean they have any power there.

We should be discussing what improvements should be done because the damn movie was postponed in the first place, and while we wouldn't know everything it wouldn't hurt to form theories. But no let's keep filling constructive threads with CGI CGI CGI, something they had no control over nor had the time to properly fix in the first place. I bet this season would've been mighty fine with the Attack Titan missing his abs, having dot eyes, and looking like a stickman. Oh, I'm sure it would've been a treat to see the Armored look like a biscuit falling apart, ketchup everywhere. Maybe the Jaw needs to look exactly like exactly like those fan animations you people say are always better than the anime, all scribbly looking and incomplete. Animators don't have human rights, they don't deserve to go see their families and catch a break, right?

As long as it gets touched up or a few scenes replaced with 2D I'm satisfied. I'm mostly concerned with part 2, but yall need to chill. Yes there are problems with the CG. No it's not the worst-looking one. That doesn't matter? Okay, then don't talk about it in the first place. Good gracious.

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Ok but Ex-Arm CGI is worse than AoT's CGI, there by YOUR logic, Attack on Titan CGI is justifiably good.

You need to actually read the conversation before replying to me

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CGI this CGI that.

Fuck CGI. Everyone keeps talking about how shit it is. Nobody's talking about the fact it got postponed in the first place. The fact it got postponed at all is a miracle, we should be happy to see improvements no matter what. Then there's those saying Mappa's at fault for accepting it. Ok, go tell tell that to the producers. You want the studio and publisher to lose profits from the manga due to loss of hype in Japan when the studio needs a budget to animate? Fine. Tell the production committee. Mappa was just given the job and asked for more time and got rejected. If Mappa declined, the manga wouldnt have had its sales boosted, as was confirmed recently, thus everyone has a lot to lose. And don't forget, just because Mappa is on the production committee doesn't mean they have any power there.

We should be discussing what improvements should be done because the damn movie was postponed in the first place, and while we wouldn't know everything it wouldn't hurt to form theories. But no let's keep filling constructive threads with CGI CGI CGI, something they had no control over nor had the time to properly fix in the first place. I bet this season would've been mighty fine with the Attack Titan missing his abs, having dot eyes, and looking like a stickman. Oh, I'm sure it would've been a treat to see the Armored look like a biscuit falling apart, ketchup everywhere. Maybe the Jaw needs to look exactly like exactly like those fan animations you people say are always better than the anime, all scribbly looking and incomplete. Animators don't have human rights, they don't deserve to go see their families and catch a break, right?

As long as it gets touched up or a few scenes replaced with 2D I'm satisfied. I'm mostly concerned with part 2, but yall need to chill. Yes there are problems with the CG. No it's not the worst-looking one. That doesn't matter? Okay, then don't talk about it in the first place. Good gracious.

1) Almost everyone is happy for improvements. It's just that one person commented on the CGI, then it turned into a bit of a war of 'Hey it's actually not that bad' and 'It's awful'. And you yourself are stating 'We should be discussing what should be improved'. Guess what, CGI is one of those things.

2) Why is the postponement a miracle? It's not as if AoT breaks records in blu-ray sales. How do we know the reasons for postponement behind the scenes to realise the fact that it's a miracle?

3) MAPPA wasn't just 'given' the job. MAPPA was offered the job, knowing full well the inhumane schedule that would entail, and then chose to accept it. It's a decision made by both parties.

4) If MAPPA declined, how do you know the fact that the production committee wouldn't have just offered a better deadline? Maybe a studio like Ufotable would've got to make it on THEIR terms. Sure, season 4 would come out after the manga ended, but guess what, an incredible anime adaptation can somehow leads to more boosted manga sales too. Look at JJK. The manga skyrocketed after the incredible anime. Or, a more accurate example, look at Demon Slayer. It's pretty average material in my opinion, getting one of the best adaptations ever, and it's STILL on the best selling charts. With the anime industry as unpredictable and unstable as it, how can you say anything at all with complete surety? None of us know what would've happened if MAPPA declined. None of us know and can never know if the outcome would've been better or worse.

5) MAPPA being on the production committee... perhaps they won't have much power (again, we don't know that), but they will get a cut of whatever profits that are made, unlike WIT.

6) You know very well that even MAPPA staff was worked to the death, and barely got any time to see their families. Haven't you heard the news of episode 14 being worked on THE DAY BEFORE IT WAS GONNA AIR? I'm pretty sure that schedule is extremely fucked up. And, it's not as if the audience cares, or should care about the animators. It is not the viewer's responsibility to give a shit about the animators, they are there to just watch and comment on the product. What about when WIT was putting out a great adaptation? I don't think I saw anyone giving a rat's ass about animators then. I'm not talking about you, but most people are just so hypocritical, immediately coming out to defend the staff when the quality of the product has underwent a big downgrade.

7) About your comment of under-detailed Titans. The viewer SHOULDN'T HAVE to choose between shit 2D/still shots or mediocre CGI. The entire point is that enough time should be given in the first place to let the studio perform at their best. You yourself are derailing from the discussion of blu-ray improvements, to a lecture about the schedule.

8) 'I'm mostly concerned with part 2.'? 'That doesn't matter'? Seriously? Then why are you even commenting on a thread for blu-ray improvements for part 1, if people complaining about the problems of the adaptation pisses you off?

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Awesomeness_1307 said:

Cordinox said:
CGI this CGI that.

Fuck CGI. Everyone keeps talking about how shit it is. Nobody's talking about the fact it got postponed in the first place. The fact it got postponed at all is a miracle, we should be happy to see improvements no matter what. Then there's those saying Mappa's at fault for accepting it. Ok, go tell tell that to the producers. You want the studio and publisher to lose profits from the manga due to loss of hype in Japan when the studio needs a budget to animate? Fine. Tell the production committee. Mappa was just given the job and asked for more time and got rejected. If Mappa declined, the manga wouldnt have had its sales boosted, as was confirmed recently, thus everyone has a lot to lose. And don't forget, just because Mappa is on the production committee doesn't mean they have any power there.

We should be discussing what improvements should be done because the damn movie was postponed in the first place, and while we wouldn't know everything it wouldn't hurt to form theories. But no let's keep filling constructive threads with CGI CGI CGI, something they had no control over nor had the time to properly fix in the first place. I bet this season would've been mighty fine with the Attack Titan missing his abs, having dot eyes, and looking like a stickman. Oh, I'm sure it would've been a treat to see the Armored look like a biscuit falling apart, ketchup everywhere. Maybe the Jaw needs to look exactly like exactly like those fan animations you people say are always better than the anime, all scribbly looking and incomplete. Animators don't have human rights, they don't deserve to go see their families and catch a break, right?

As long as it gets touched up or a few scenes replaced with 2D I'm satisfied. I'm mostly concerned with part 2, but yall need to chill. Yes there are problems with the CG. No it's not the worst-looking one. That doesn't matter? Okay, then don't talk about it in the first place. Good gracious.

1) Almost everyone is happy for improvements. It's just that one person commented on the CGI, then it turned into a bit of a war of 'Hey it's actually not that bad' and 'It's awful'. And you yourself are stating 'We should be discussing what should be improved'. Guess what, CGI is one of those things.

2) Why is the postponement a miracle? It's not as if AoT breaks records in blu-ray sales. How do we know the reasons for postponement behind the scenes to realise the fact that it's a miracle?

3) MAPPA wasn't just 'given' the job. MAPPA was offered the job, knowing full well the inhumane schedule that would entail, and then chose to accept it. It's a decision made by both parties.

4) If MAPPA declined, how do you know the fact that the production committee wouldn't have just offered a better deadline? Maybe a studio like Ufotable would've got to make it on THEIR terms. Sure, season 4 would come out after the manga ended, but guess what, an incredible anime adaptation can somehow leads to more boosted manga sales too. Look at JJK. The manga skyrocketed after the incredible anime. Or, a more accurate example, look at Demon Slayer. It's pretty average material in my opinion, getting one of the best adaptations ever, and it's STILL on the best selling charts. With the anime industry as unpredictable and unstable as it, how can you say anything at all with complete surety? None of us know what would've happened if MAPPA declined. None of us know and can never know if the outcome would've been better or worse.

5) MAPPA being on the production committee... perhaps they won't have much power (again, we don't know that), but they will get a cut of whatever profits that are made, unlike WIT.

6) You know very well that even MAPPA staff was worked to the death, and barely got any time to see their families. Haven't you heard the news of episode 14 being worked on THE DAY BEFORE IT WAS GONNA AIR? I'm pretty sure that schedule is extremely fucked up. And, it's not as if the audience cares, or should care about the animators. It is not the viewer's responsibility to give a shit about the animators, they are there to just watch and comment on the product. What about when WIT was putting out a great adaptation? I don't think I saw anyone giving a rat's ass about animators then. I'm not talking about you, but most people are just so hypocritical, immediately coming out to defend the staff when the quality of the product has underwent a big downgrade.

7) About your comment of under-detailed Titans. The viewer SHOULDN'T HAVE to choose between shit 2D/still shots or mediocre CGI. The entire point is that enough time should be given in the first place to let the studio perform at their best. You yourself are derailing from the discussion of blu-ray improvements, to a lecture about the schedule.

8) 'I'm mostly concerned with part 2.'? 'That doesn't matter'? Seriously? Then why are you even commenting on a thread for blu-ray improvements for part 1, if people complaining about the problems of the adaptation pisses you off?

There are a lot of thing that you got wrong here :
Mappa took the project despite having a bad schedule but there was no pandemic at that moment which made it much worse , they had to convert to cgi and no freelnacers wanted to work on it , so no it's not mappa's fault . Bad schedules in the industry are not rare but quite often actually same for the overwork ,almost every studio does that , AOT shcedule was hellish due to pandemic, however for Mappa (aside from AOT) they have one of the healthiest schedules in the industry and actually pays their employees decently (1800$ a month only topped by KyoAni 1930$ I think , could be wrong) and the reason they take a lot of projects bcs they have over 200 in-house employees and 200 contracted free-lancers , so acting concerned about the health of employees only bcs the quality was bad while WIT employees had it just as bad but delivered says a lot (WIT has a new management now and in very good condition thankfully).
Also working in the episode same day it airs is not unusual.

IF mappa declined it could have gone for better or worse , that's for sure . but most likely for worse , AOT doesn't have much revenue the production committee wanted the anime to air before the manga ends at any cost to boost the manga sales since the anime doesn't sell well , so if Mappa didn't take it most likely a shitty studio will, even if that didn't happen , when the manga ends there is no reason to spend money and time in a series that doesn't sell well , so there is also a chance of no anime at all. again it could have gone for good but doubt it very much . AOT already had it's "great adaptation" and that was s1 which boosted the manga sales , s2 which was probably the best looking season out of all seasons and it didn't achieve anything.

All in all I was disappointed by this season , there were rumors back when s3p2 was still airing that WIT dropped AOT , so when the trailer released and I saw it was Mappa I was happy bcs they can deliver and they their A game and I hoped they started working in this season before s3p2 didn't even finish which gave them enough time. But then director for ep6 said that they started pre-production in december 2019 (he said this before the season started airing) which wasn't enough minus the pandemic so all my dreams were shattered , when it started airing it looked good not as good as I wanted it but during a very short time with no freelancers it looked great.

As for the blu ray , MAPPA is known to add improvements but the delay confirms it and seeing that the 1st part got delayed more gives me hope(since it suffered the most) I hope it will look more polished (like ep6 there were some cool scenes but the Attack titan in some shots looked GOD AWFUL and a lot of issues).

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Apr 13, 2021 5:44 PM

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lol even with the BluRay version they have production schedule problems so forget about BIG improvements on the BluRay version

thats good news because its proven they do care about quality.
seems likely we gonna get massive BD fixes and improvements

another anime just release bd without any fixes.
so they can sell the bd without care about the schedule

Apr 13, 2021 11:04 PM

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nabbo13 said:

There are a lot of thing that you got wrong here :
Mappa took the project despite having a bad schedule but there was no pandemic at that moment which made it much worse , they had to convert to cgi and no freelnacers wanted to work on it , so no it's not mappa's fault . Bad schedules in the industry are not rare but quite often actually same for the overwork ,almost every studio does that , AOT shcedule was hellish due to pandemic, however for Mappa (aside from AOT) they have one of the healthiest schedules in the industry and actually pays their employees decently (1800$ a month only topped by KyoAni 1930$ I think , could be wrong) and the reason they take a lot of projects bcs they have over 200 in-house employees and 200 contracted free-lancers , so acting concerned about the health of employees only bcs the quality was bad while WIT employees had it just as bad but delivered says a lot (WIT has a new management now and in very good condition thankfully).
Also working in the episode same day it airs is not unusual.

IF mappa declined it could have gone for better or worse , that's for sure . but most likely for worse , AOT doesn't have much revenue the production committee wanted the anime to air before the manga ends at any cost to boost the manga sales since the anime doesn't sell well , so if Mappa didn't take it most likely a shitty studio will, even if that didn't happen , when the manga ends there is no reason to spend money and time in a series that doesn't sell well , so there is also a chance of no anime at all. again it could have gone for good but doubt it very much . AOT already had it's "great adaptation" and that was s1 which boosted the manga sales , s2 which was probably the best looking season out of all seasons and it didn't achieve anything.

All in all I was disappointed by this season , there were rumors back when s3p2 was still airing that WIT dropped AOT , so when the trailer released and I saw it was Mappa I was happy bcs they can deliver and they their A game and I hoped they started working in this season before s3p2 didn't even finish which gave them enough time. But then director for ep6 said that they started pre-production in december 2019 (he said this before the season started airing) which wasn't enough minus the pandemic so all my dreams were shattered , when it started airing it looked good not as good as I wanted it but during a very short time with no freelancers it looked great.

As for the blu ray , MAPPA is known to add improvements but the delay confirms it and seeing that the 1st part got delayed more gives me hope(since it suffered the most) I hope it will look more polished (like ep6 there were some cool scenes but the Attack titan in some shots looked GOD AWFUL and a lot of issues).

I can agree with the fact that the pandemic hurt them a lot and disrupted their production even more. But you cannot tell me with a straight face that a 10 month production is enough for Attack on Titan Season 4 Part 1.

It is public information at this point, that scenes like Levi vs Kenny took around 3 months, and Levi vs Beast Titan took 5-6 months. And then, you're gonna tell me that 10 months is a 'healthy' schedule?

I assume your counterargument for that is 'but MAPPA has over 200 employees'. When you say that, I think you're forgetting that MAPPA takes on like a million projects at a time. It is good that MAPPA has salaried employees, unlike most studios that pay per drawing, but even then, MAPPA in no way has a healthy workplace. They take as many projects as possible, and overwork their people to death. Just look at their situation now.

They are currently working on AoT Season 4 Part 2 (one of the most difficult to animate shows, which is gonna come out in around 9-10 months), Chainsaw Man (one of the most anticipated adaptions ever), Jujutsu Kaisen movie (follow-up to one of the most successful shonen adaptations in recent times), Jujutsu Kaisen season 2 pre-production, Yuri! On Ice Movie, Zombieland Saga Season 2, and who knows what else.

You say MAPPA hires over 200 freelancers? Well, where were the good ones on AoT? I know only about Satoshi Sakai, a legendary effects animator who literally carried season 4. Vercreek had some great cuts in episode 8, and Benjamin Faure had some great cuts in episode 16. No other freelancer was 'incredible', and certainly no one on the level of Imai or Ebara. Freelancers didn't wanna work on AoT cause of the horrible schedule. See, the connections that MAPPA has in the industry, the people it is able to hire, none of it matters if the schedule is so inhumane.

Working on the episode the same day it airs is not unusual? It's a GIGANTIC sign of an absolutely messed up production. Even though the industry is fucked up, it RARELY gets this bad where they're struggling to get it out the frickin day before it airs.

Well, if there's no reason to spend on an anime after the manga ends, would you please explain to me how Demon Slayer keeps getting a stellar adaptation? Even though the ending of the Demon Slayer manga is very controversial, it still sells very well. There's no reason to think AoT won't keep selling well. A stellar anime adaptation almost always boosts manga sales. But I'm not too educated on this, it's probably much more complicated. AoT season 2 didn't do too well, because... obviously the 4 year time gap, and also, because the storytelling took a big shift from season 1, which a lot of people weren't the biggest fans of.

Apr 13, 2021 11:08 PM

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goodguylegy said:

badmintona said:

The CGI was aweful.

that was actually good cgi... Did u forget s3 colossal cgi? Remember how bad that was? And if u want a comparison go and watch ex arm.. It's made with cgi and is still airing rn if I'm not wrong...mappa's cgi is still 10x better than any other's. Ofcourse 2d is always better but they don't have time for 2d rn so ye

Sorry bud but you gotta see Ufotable's cgi before saying Mappa has the best cgi.
Note:I'm not saying Mappa's cgi was trash by any means.Thank you and goodbye.

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Apr 14, 2021 5:32 AM

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Scordolo said:

Sorry bud but you gotta see Ufotable's cgi before saying Mappa has the best cgi.
Note:I'm not saying Mappa's cgi was trash by any means.Thank you and goodbye.

This isn't really a fair comparison, since Ufotable anime does not contain full CGI characters. They mostly use CGI for backgrounds, effects, or minor side characters (cluster of spiders in Demon Slayer). You probably must've seen their Heaven's Feel chase scene breakdowns on YouTube. That's just them using a CGI mannequin to figure out the posing, and then having the key animator draw the character on top. That's still 2-D animation.

A better comparison would be comparing to Beastars or Land of the Lustrous, two TV anime which have some of the best fully CGI characters.

Apr 14, 2021 10:07 AM

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Awesomeness_1307 said:

nabbo13 said:

There are a lot of thing that you got wrong here :
Mappa took the project despite having a bad schedule but there was no pandemic at that moment which made it much worse , they had to convert to cgi and no freelnacers wanted to work on it , so no it's not mappa's fault . Bad schedules in the industry are not rare but quite often actually same for the overwork ,almost every studio does that , AOT shcedule was hellish due to pandemic, however for Mappa (aside from AOT) they have one of the healthiest schedules in the industry and actually pays their employees decently (1800$ a month only topped by KyoAni 1930$ I think , could be wrong) and the reason they take a lot of projects bcs they have over 200 in-house employees and 200 contracted free-lancers , so acting concerned about the health of employees only bcs the quality was bad while WIT employees had it just as bad but delivered says a lot (WIT has a new management now and in very good condition thankfully).
Also working in the episode same day it airs is not unusual.

IF mappa declined it could have gone for better or worse , that's for sure . but most likely for worse , AOT doesn't have much revenue the production committee wanted the anime to air before the manga ends at any cost to boost the manga sales since the anime doesn't sell well , so if Mappa didn't take it most likely a shitty studio will, even if that didn't happen , when the manga ends there is no reason to spend money and time in a series that doesn't sell well , so there is also a chance of no anime at all. again it could have gone for good but doubt it very much . AOT already had it's "great adaptation" and that was s1 which boosted the manga sales , s2 which was probably the best looking season out of all seasons and it didn't achieve anything.

All in all I was disappointed by this season , there were rumors back when s3p2 was still airing that WIT dropped AOT , so when the trailer released and I saw it was Mappa I was happy bcs they can deliver and they their A game and I hoped they started working in this season before s3p2 didn't even finish which gave them enough time. But then director for ep6 said that they started pre-production in december 2019 (he said this before the season started airing) which wasn't enough minus the pandemic so all my dreams were shattered , when it started airing it looked good not as good as I wanted it but during a very short time with no freelancers it looked great.

As for the blu ray , MAPPA is known to add improvements but the delay confirms it and seeing that the 1st part got delayed more gives me hope(since it suffered the most) I hope it will look more polished (like ep6 there were some cool scenes but the Attack titan in some shots looked GOD AWFUL and a lot of issues).

I can agree with the fact that the pandemic hurt them a lot and disrupted their production even more. But you cannot tell me with a straight face that a 10 month production is enough for Attack on Titan Season 4 Part 1.

It is public information at this point, that scenes like Levi vs Kenny took around 3 months, and Levi vs Beast Titan took 5-6 months. And then, you're gonna tell me that 10 months is a 'healthy' schedule?

I assume your counterargument for that is 'but MAPPA has over 200 employees'. When you say that, I think you're forgetting that MAPPA takes on like a million projects at a time. It is good that MAPPA has salaried employees, unlike most studios that pay per drawing, but even then, MAPPA in no way has a healthy workplace. They take as many projects as possible, and overwork their people to death. Just look at their situation now.

They are currently working on AoT Season 4 Part 2 (one of the most difficult to animate shows, which is gonna come out in around 9-10 months), Chainsaw Man (one of the most anticipated adaptions ever), Jujutsu Kaisen movie (follow-up to one of the most successful shonen adaptations in recent times), Jujutsu Kaisen season 2 pre-production, Yuri! On Ice Movie, Zombieland Saga Season 2, and who knows what else.

You say MAPPA hires over 200 freelancers? Well, where were the good ones on AoT? I know only about Satoshi Sakai, a legendary effects animator who literally carried season 4. Vercreek had some great cuts in episode 8, and Benjamin Faure had some great cuts in episode 16. No other freelancer was 'incredible', and certainly no one on the level of Imai or Ebara. Freelancers didn't wanna work on AoT cause of the horrible schedule. See, the connections that MAPPA has in the industry, the people it is able to hire, none of it matters if the schedule is so inhumane.

Working on the episode the same day it airs is not unusual? It's a GIGANTIC sign of an absolutely messed up production. Even though the industry is fucked up, it RARELY gets this bad where they're struggling to get it out the frickin day before it airs.

Well, if there's no reason to spend on an anime after the manga ends, would you please explain to me how Demon Slayer keeps getting a stellar adaptation? Even though the ending of the Demon Slayer manga is very controversial, it still sells very well. There's no reason to think AoT won't keep selling well. A stellar anime adaptation almost always boosts manga sales. But I'm not too educated on this, it's probably much more complicated. AoT season 2 didn't do too well, because... obviously the 4 year time gap, and also, because the storytelling took a big shift from season 1, which a lot of people weren't the biggest fans of.

You clearly didn't pay attention to what i said , mappa took the project despite a bad production due to special case (wit dropping) but the knockout was the pandemic. And they have around 200 contracted freelancers mappa's projects heavily depend on them just google it. The reason why none worked in the project was bcs of the pandemic most freelancers choose good conditions.

The overwork is in every studio, even studios like kyoani, ghibli, ufotable (i still remember god eater in 2014 when they were begging for animators) but despite mappa taking a lot of projects they all have great schedules : yuri on ice movie was in production for 3-4 years , zombieland s2 was announced 2 years ago . Aside from AOT mappa has great schedules and you can do ur search.

And the reason why animes like demon slayer have a great quality even after s1 is bcs it sells well ,i'm not talking about manga sales but anime revenue unlike AOT kodansha is focusing on manga sales bcs anime doesn't sell that well (s1 sold amazingly ,so they took their sweet time with s2 which sold horrendously so they decided to just focus on manga sales) but demon slayer both manga and anime sell well ,you understand the difference now?

Apr 15, 2021 12:51 AM

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Awesomeness_1307 said:

Cordinox said:
CGI this CGI that.

Fuck CGI. Everyone keeps talking about how shit it is. Nobody's talking about the fact it got postponed in the first place. The fact it got postponed at all is a miracle, we should be happy to see improvements no matter what. Then there's those saying Mappa's at fault for accepting it. Ok, go tell tell that to the producers. You want the studio and publisher to lose profits from the manga due to loss of hype in Japan when the studio needs a budget to animate? Fine. Tell the production committee. Mappa was just given the job and asked for more time and got rejected. If Mappa declined, the manga wouldnt have had its sales boosted, as was confirmed recently, thus everyone has a lot to lose. And don't forget, just because Mappa is on the production committee doesn't mean they have any power there.

We should be discussing what improvements should be done because the damn movie was postponed in the first place, and while we wouldn't know everything it wouldn't hurt to form theories. But no let's keep filling constructive threads with CGI CGI CGI, something they had no control over nor had the time to properly fix in the first place. I bet this season would've been mighty fine with the Attack Titan missing his abs, having dot eyes, and looking like a stickman. Oh, I'm sure it would've been a treat to see the Armored look like a biscuit falling apart, ketchup everywhere. Maybe the Jaw needs to look exactly like exactly like those fan animations you people say are always better than the anime, all scribbly looking and incomplete. Animators don't have human rights, they don't deserve to go see their families and catch a break, right?

As long as it gets touched up or a few scenes replaced with 2D I'm satisfied. I'm mostly concerned with part 2, but yall need to chill. Yes there are problems with the CG. No it's not the worst-looking one. That doesn't matter? Okay, then don't talk about it in the first place. Good gracious.

1) Almost everyone is happy for improvements. It's just that one person commented on the CGI, then it turned into a bit of a war of 'Hey it's actually not that bad' and 'It's awful'. And you yourself are stating 'We should be discussing what should be improved'. Guess what, CGI is one of those things.

2) Why is the postponement a miracle? It's not as if AoT breaks records in blu-ray sales. How do we know the reasons for postponement behind the scenes to realise the fact that it's a miracle?

3) MAPPA wasn't just 'given' the job. MAPPA was offered the job, knowing full well the inhumane schedule that would entail, and then chose to accept it. It's a decision made by both parties.

4) If MAPPA declined, how do you know the fact that the production committee wouldn't have just offered a better deadline? Maybe a studio like Ufotable would've got to make it on THEIR terms. Sure, season 4 would come out after the manga ended, but guess what, an incredible anime adaptation can somehow leads to more boosted manga sales too. Look at JJK. The manga skyrocketed after the incredible anime. Or, a more accurate example, look at Demon Slayer. It's pretty average material in my opinion, getting one of the best adaptations ever, and it's STILL on the best selling charts. With the anime industry as unpredictable and unstable as it, how can you say anything at all with complete surety? None of us know what would've happened if MAPPA declined. None of us know and can never know if the outcome would've been better or worse.

5) MAPPA being on the production committee... perhaps they won't have much power (again, we don't know that), but they will get a cut of whatever profits that are made, unlike WIT.

6) You know very well that even MAPPA staff was worked to the death, and barely got any time to see their families. Haven't you heard the news of episode 14 being worked on THE DAY BEFORE IT WAS GONNA AIR? I'm pretty sure that schedule is extremely fucked up. And, it's not as if the audience cares, or should care about the animators. It is not the viewer's responsibility to give a shit about the animators, they are there to just watch and comment on the product. What about when WIT was putting out a great adaptation? I don't think I saw anyone giving a rat's ass about animators then. I'm not talking about you, but most people are just so hypocritical, immediately coming out to defend the staff when the quality of the product has underwent a big downgrade.

7) About your comment of under-detailed Titans. The viewer SHOULDN'T HAVE to choose between shit 2D/still shots or mediocre CGI. The entire point is that enough time should be given in the first place to let the studio perform at their best. You yourself are derailing from the discussion of blu-ray improvements, to a lecture about the schedule.

8) 'I'm mostly concerned with part 2.'? 'That doesn't matter'? Seriously? Then why are you even commenting on a thread for blu-ray improvements for part 1, if people complaining about the problems of the adaptation pisses you off?

Sorry. Allow me to rephrase and clarify some things.

1) The problem isn't touching up CGI, that's technically an improvement, and I approve of it. The problem is people keep spamming this or that anime was better or worse, and that's fine, everyone gets a chance at opining (or whining). On a thread that's made to discuss possibilities that the postponement can offer? That's not fine, that's just disrespectful. Do that elsewhere, there's tons of other threads talking about it. If you have to talk about CGI here, at least talk about HOW they can improve it to look closer to Wit's, or even the manga, or even make it the most badass looking thing. Seriously.

(If you want me to say what can be improved sure, but this reply is just gonna be in defense of that half assed post I made earlier, and it's half assed because at the time I didn't want to resort to a long essay like now)

2) It's a "miracle", not because of box office records or that fancy stuff. But because it got postponed at all. Call it an exaggeration if you want.

We're forgetting it got postponed for "production reasons", which could mean anything. That could go a bazillion ways, personally I'd like to think Mappa felt the backlash from the dent they made in the community with this controversial adaptation, so they want to redeem themselves by actually giving it a good "repair" for the sake of the fans. In the process if it looks good, people will tell other people to buy it, and might actually end up blowing up, who knows. I don't, and, if I'm wrong about all that rarara... Fine, I was wrong, screenshot and repost on every website in the world. Point is, whether it'll be something Fate or JJK quality is currently unknown. I myself am a big fan of the way both series got adapted, and can confidently say there's no blind love towards AoT, it clearly suffers major problems throughout EVERY season. Just ones people overlook. Once again, ANYTHING can happen, let's just be clear about that.

3) Damn, fine, let me rephrase. Mappa was OFFERED the job. They had two choices: accept, knowing there's a hellish schedule and a chance the community will go berserk (hilarious) over the adaptation compared to Wit's. Or, decline it and idk let some low budget studio pick it up and give the fans want they want, yeah! Or probably an actually good one, screw that (also hilarious).

The whole thing about Mappa being "given" the project wasn't meant to be taken in a literal sense.. That's just me saying, ok. They got offered, they knew the consequences, and took the risk. The deal's done, now they just have to get to work. Technically they were given the project the moment they accepted, and the thing is NOBODY (not even me, would you believe it?) knows what would've happened if they did the opposite. Yeah maybe we would've gotten a good adaptation... and .. then what? Surprise, people were gonna complain and troll the forums ANYWAY, just because of the whole "studio change" bullshit. Just like how the manga ending divided the community, they would've done the same thing, there's always someone that's never satisfied. By the way, I welcome criticism. I just think there's a line drawn between actual constructive, precise, specific, progressive criticism... and toxic, malicious, destructive, uncreative and baseless criticism where people just jump the trend train for the fun of it. Unless you have a valid reason for disliking something or someone, you should NEVER talk about it in the first place.

Kind of like back when people compared Madhouse to J.C. Staff with One Punch Man. But I digress.

4) Yeah.. about that.. Demon Slayer and JJK are like two different situations. Since Ufotable is/was busy with making Demon Slayer and possibly Fate movies among other things, both of which are fantastic titles, they couldn't get the time to do that. And yeah, you're right, nobody knows what would've happened one way or the other. Just so you know I never watched the movies for Demon Slayer, only the anime. From what I've deduced, yes, it's average material.. And everyone knows that blew up and even beat One Piece at one point from manga sales.

In any case, the likelihood of the production committee just changing the schedule was already low. The PRODUCERS wanted it to end before the manga, so that its sales can be boosted and kind of "tie up" the fanbase between whether to buy the books or wait for the anime to finish. A vast majority, at least in Japan, chose to buy the books anyway, they made a gamble and won. Most people don't like the anime, and that's understandable. Nobody wants to see an anime that people love so much capitalize off of the hype, just for money and butcher the adaptation. But let's be honest, this season, like all things has its hiccups. Just that everyone's talking about it since it's a big series and yeah my fellow manga readers and co aren't making it better. I could go into what they could've done to make the entire thing movie quality, but that's for another time.

But really and truly, this season's first part would've been top tier if it weren't for a couple factors. COVID-19, lack of interest from freelancers in producing the series, detailed character designs (which make it impossible to animate compared to how Wit did it) etc. That's why I say DS and JJK are two completely different situations. People (freelancers) actually worked on those two because they were interested, and well the staff assigned to that also show interest to the series. AoT is just something the producers offered to Mappa, and the higher-ups dumped it on their staff with no consideration for their take on the series. Again, anything can happen. Someone said on YouTube about Wit staff not enjoying making the actual anime, even though it looks good: https://youtu.be/N0-Nlrm2fAA

Let's be real, without being a fan of the series, what would you rather animate? Something action heavy and simplistic art style like One Piece, Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen? Or something that's detailed, like Berserk, Attack on Titan, heard things about Hellsing, seen how the manga looks for Dorohedoro. Which one is more fun? Yeah, whatever your answer is, you're right. That's the situation for DS, JJK and AOT.

5) IIRC a Mappa staff replied on Twitter saying they think they don't get any benefits aside from talking about the series so I doubt money has anything to do with it, the only power they probably have is just bragging rights or something lol.

6) Yep. You're absolutely right. Nobody is obligated to care about staff, they're just there to do their job that's all. We're the audience, critics and whoever, we watch it and give our opinion. The same applies for me. The difference is, I don't let the circumstances of production/staff blind my take on a series, if it's bad I say so, but if there's more than enough evidence a lot of effort was put into something, I respect it. This season wasn't horrible in my personal opinion, but by any means it wasn't spectacular either. That's not taking into account what's going on behind the scenes, that's just my general take on it.

7) Well, here's the thing. For one, everything I literally said about those no-budget titans, was a complete exaggeration. Yes, staff are obviously going to do their best given enough time, do we not know this? This is evident from Armin's Colossal Titan in episode 7, Reiner vs Eren in episode 8 was fully 2D. People neglected mentioning it, but the Jaw and Cart was 2D from the wind pressure after Armin's transformation. Eren stuffing the crystal in Jaw's mouth, that was 2D. The Attack and Jaw in episode 16. And so on.

The reason I exaggerated about it is because everybody's expecting the same work ethics from Wit to appear in another studio. That's not how it works, it's a completely different studio, so there's different animators, director, you-name-it. And the thing is there was a Chinese animator who originally worked on Levi vs Beast round 3, he said staff was overworked, there was little time, ok— there was a choice between completion and quality, and the quality got compromised. Just imagine you have a completely good-looking 3DCG background, then you have godzilla ripping the titan apart, and it's literally just the key animation, no coloring whatsoever. Only lines. In fact, I'd argue that despite the CGI being underwhelming for that fight for some parts, judging from what was shown in the KA if that was in the actual anime I'd be way more disappointed than I was, all because it wasn't finished. And that KA was amazing, but there wasn't enough details and there's no way they'd finish coloring it on time. As you say, episode 14 was probably being worked on the day before it aired. If that's the case, there ya go.

8) "I'm mostly concerned with part 2" is a straight up fact, no problems here lmao. I asked "That doesn't matter?" because it's funny when people say it's the best or worst CGI in the history of humanity, then proceed to shit on threads telling other people it's this or that and the other. In other words, I was asking that question in place of other people, who would respond to me or just about anybody giving a genuine take on the CGI. Don't get me wrong, say it's trash or not. But if you're gonna spam without criticism or advice, then you're just delusional. Personally, I didn't think it was that bad. I think a lot could've been done better, like the glowing eyes as seen in the trailer, or the veins that showed up on the titans in earlier seasons, less of those line hatches, probably more shadows.

So I'm not pissed off at people giving their opinion on something. I'm pissed off at people giving their opinion on something, without any valid reason to back up that statement, and just resort to things like "Mappa bad Wit good" or "Wit bad Mappa good" or "Wits cgi was better #wewanttetsuroarakiback". Like gee, grow up, that's not how the world works.

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Fada_Fx said:
“Are we gonna see 2D Titans?” No, someone is deffo asking that but stop, CGI wasn’t awful. Also the delay is disappointing but it’s not a huge deal.

Wit's hand drawn Animation is Far better than the MAPPA's CGI, the brand new example is Armoured Titan scene from the Episode 1 of Season 1 and the the scene from ep1 of season 4

Apr 19, 2021 5:54 AM

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Gretchan_69 said:

Fada_Fx said:
“Are we gonna see 2D Titans?” No, someone is deffo asking that but stop, CGI wasn’t awful. Also the delay is disappointing but it’s not a huge deal.

Wit's hand drawn Animation is Far better than the MAPPA's CGI, the brand new example is Armoured Titan scene from the Episode 1 of Season 1 and the the scene from ep1 of season 4

No more discussion on the CGI please. I only commented that so people didn’t raise their expectations too high, which people tend to do. This Cgi could and should be way worst for a rushed product but I still think they done good for the amount of time they had. I’m not comparing it to other seasons or anything, I’m just saying the Bly ray won’t suddenly give us 2d Titans. It was a simple statement, I wish people would get over it.

Apr 19, 2021 5:57 AM

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badmintona said:

The CGI was aweful.

that was actually good cgi... Did u forget s3 colossal cgi? Remember how bad that was? And if u want a comparison go and watch ex arm.. It's made with cgi and is still airing rn if I'm not wrong...mappa's cgi is still 10x better than any other's. Ofcourse 2d is always better but they don't have time for 2d rn so ye

so what about the Armoured Titan scene of s1 ep1

May 15, 2021 9:00 PM

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Always remember people, you must not blame Mappa, but rather the circumstances that which they found themselves in.

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