Attack on Titan
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| The ending was a major "f*** you" from Isyama to his fanbase, full of plot holes just so that he can take a massive dump on the AoT fanbase. |
Zibsidian said: Holy fuck this backlash is insane. Now we wait a month for everyone to actually use their brains and think about what they just read and realize that they're overreacting lol. This ending was fine, chill tf out. Eren could have easily saved everyone by having Dina eat Bertolt, yet he chose not to..why! This was a major plot hole. |
objkenkage said: Zibsidian said: Holy fuck this backlash is insane. Now we wait a month for everyone to actually use their brains and think about what they just read and realize that they're overreacting lol. This ending was fine, chill tf out. Eren could have easily saved everyone by having Dina eat Bertolt, yet he chose not to..why! This was a major plot hole. Because the alternative would have been worse. Eren saw this as the best-case scenario. Berthold's death would have meant no attack on Eldia, for now, but also that they remain in oblivion, and eventually Tybur and the alliance would have wiped them out with their militaries which would have supplanted the power of the titans. Berthold's arrival was a blessing in disguise, it lead to them having the Attack Titan, learning about the Founder, reaching the ocean and even launching their own attack. Y'all even paying attention? |
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Mikasa said: objkenkage said: Eren could have easily saved everyone by having Dina eat Bertolt, yet he chose not to..why! This was a major plot hole. Because the alternative would have been worse. Eren saw this as the best-case scenario. Berthold's death would have meant no attack on Eldia, for now, but also that they remain in oblivion, and eventually Tybur and the alliance would have wiped them out with their militaries which would have supplanted the power of the titans. Berthold's arrival was a blessing in disguise, it lead to them having the Attack Titan, learning about the Founder, reaching the ocean and even launching their own attack. Y'all even paying attention? If Dina eat bert then she would go back normal and have the colossal titan. All she needs to do is find Grisha who's already getting the founding titan and boom eldia is saved. You have no idea how many plot holes the last chapter created. I'm the end Ymir Was just doing her own human puppet show so it can all lead to Mikasa killing Eren and ymir moving on from her love to Fritz. |
Mikasa said: objkenkage said: Eren could have easily saved everyone by having Dina eat Bertolt, yet he chose not to..why! This was a major plot hole. Because the alternative would have been worse. Eren saw this as the best-case scenario. Berthold's death would have meant no attack on Eldia, for now, but also that they remain in oblivion, and eventually Tybur and the alliance would have wiped them out with their militaries which would have supplanted the power of the titans. Berthold's arrival was a blessing in disguise, it lead to them having the Attack Titan, learning about the Founder, reaching the ocean and even launching their own attack. Y'all even paying attention? Hes paying more attention than you. "She needed to die for the best case scenario" is pretty lazy imo, the autor has to show us pretty good reasons why Eren chose to kill his own mother even though hes supposed to care for his family the most. Just admit that the story got absolutely destroyed in ch 139. It was never perfect but never had that much plot holes until the final chapter got released. |
SatoyaApr 11, 2021 7:24 AM
KanYeeT said: Mikasa said: Because the alternative would have been worse. Eren saw this as the best-case scenario. Berthold's death would have meant no attack on Eldia, for now, but also that they remain in oblivion, and eventually Tybur and the alliance would have wiped them out with their militaries which would have supplanted the power of the titans. Berthold's arrival was a blessing in disguise, it lead to them having the Attack Titan, learning about the Founder, reaching the ocean and even launching their own attack. Y'all even paying attention? If Dina eat bert then she would go back normal and have the colossal titan. All she needs to do is find Grisha who's already getting the founding titan and boom eldia is saved. You have no idea how many plot holes the last chapter created. I'm the end Ymir Was just doing her own human puppet show so it can all lead to Mikasa killing Eren and ymir moving on from her love to Fritz. 1. Except Eren doesn't believe in Grisha's plan, there's kind of a whole arc about that. 2. Also Dina would have no way of finding Grisha before Eren who would have already inherited the Founder. 3. But MORE IMPORTANTLY, The War for Paradis was a success for the eldians as they had activated the rumbling, so why risk ANY other alternative? Dead is dead. All he was trying to do was make sure history re-enacted itself. "Berthold was not supposed to die" |
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Satoya said: Mikasa said: Because the alternative would have been worse. Eren saw this as the best-case scenario. Berthold's death would have meant no attack on Eldia, for now, but also that they remain in oblivion, and eventually Tybur and the alliance would have wiped them out with their militaries which would have supplanted the power of the titans. Berthold's arrival was a blessing in disguise, it lead to them having the Attack Titan, learning about the Founder, reaching the ocean and even launching their own attack. Y'all even paying attention? Hes paying more attention than you. "She needed to die for the best case scenario" is pretty lazy imo, the autor has to show us pretty good reasons why Eren chose to kill his own mother even though hes supposed to care for his family the most. Just admit that the story got absolutely destroyed in ch 139. It was never perfect but never had that much plot holes until the final chapter got released. Oh my god you're one of those who think he consciously chose to kill his mother... Okay buddy, you understood the story better than anyone in here. I bow in deference. |
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Mikasa said: Satoya said: Hes paying more attention than you. "She needed to die for the best case scenario" is pretty lazy imo, the autor has to show us pretty good reasons why Eren chose to kill his own mother even though hes supposed to care for his family the most. Just admit that the story got absolutely destroyed in ch 139. It was never perfect but never had that much plot holes until the final chapter got released. Oh my god you're one of those who think he consciously chose to kill his mother... Okay buddy, you understood the story better than anyone in here. I bow in deference. No problem everyone makes mistakes. Just take this in consideration before posting again. |
| So anyway, check out this gem: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1913840 "Eren killed his mom" |
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Mikasa said: KanYeeT said: If Dina eat bert then she would go back normal and have the colossal titan. All she needs to do is find Grisha who's already getting the founding titan and boom eldia is saved. You have no idea how many plot holes the last chapter created. I'm the end Ymir Was just doing her own human puppet show so it can all lead to Mikasa killing Eren and ymir moving on from her love to Fritz. 1. Except Eren doesn't believe in Grisha's plan, there's kind of a whole arc about that. 2. Also Dina would have no way of finding Grisha before Eren who would have already inherited the Founder. 3. But MORE IMPORTANTLY, The War for Paradis was a success for the eldians as they had activated the rumbling, so why risk ANY other alternative? Dead is dead. All he was trying to do was make sure history re-enacted itself. "Berthold was not supposed to die" Eren believing in Grisha's plan is irrelevant. Wasn't about the best outcome? How is killing 80% of humanity and Mind you not actually achieving peace for Paradis too and leaving it in the mercy of Atleast 200 million people left who hates eldians even more now because of the rumbling is a better outcome? Also not necessarily,she could him easily asking about him before Eren gets the FT since he's the most famous doctor inside the walls you know. Even if she didn't find him and it was too late. All she had to do is touch Eren and then be his mentor to save eldia. There are countless possibilities for what could and could have not happened and most of it is way better than what we got now. The Eren being able to control titans regardless of times ruined alot of moments in the series. |
KanYeeT said: Mikasa said: 1. Except Eren doesn't believe in Grisha's plan, there's kind of a whole arc about that. 2. Also Dina would have no way of finding Grisha before Eren who would have already inherited the Founder. 3. But MORE IMPORTANTLY, The War for Paradis was a success for the eldians as they had activated the rumbling, so why risk ANY other alternative? Dead is dead. All he was trying to do was make sure history re-enacted itself. "Berthold was not supposed to die" Eren believing in Grisha's plan is irrelevant. Wasn't about the best outcome? How is killing 80% of humanity and Mind you not actually achieving peace for Paradis too and leaving it in the mercy of Atleast 200 million people left who hates eldians even more now because of the rumbling is a better outcome? Also not necessarily,she could him easily asking about him before Eren gets the FT since he's the most famous doctor inside the walls you know. Even if she didn't find him and it was too late. All she had to do is touch Eren and then be his mentor to save eldia. There are countless possibilities for what could and could have not happened and most of it is way better than what we got now. The Eren being able to control titans regardless of times ruined alot of moments in the series. No it's about certainty of success. Eren was not trying to change anything. He can't risk it. There are 1 million possible outcomes from changing it. There's only one outcome from enforcing it: their eventual, albeit costly success. "How is killing 80% of humanity and Mind you not actually achieving peace for Paradis too and leaving it in the mercy of Atleast 200 million people left who hates eldians even more now because of the rumbling is a better outcome?" Because he that's what he saw himself being able to achieve. (also Eldia was shown to be a powerful force now, and overzealous with their military industry) Also where'd you get the 200mil figure "who hates eldians even more now because of the rumbling" please tell me how of how the Japanese are retaliating because of Hiroshima? "Also not necessarily,she could him easily asking about him before Eren gets the F" This is way too much conjecture and it only goes to show how fragile the whole idea of trying to change the past is. |
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| It wasn’t the best ending but it wasn’t the worst ending. I think a lot of people over-analysed everything, and that’s why people are extremely ticked off by the ending. |
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metalikkalp said: Am I the only one who was satisfied with the ending? I mean I really liked to see something as massive as world destruction in a manga and the author pulled it off. Eren starting as a curious impulsive brat to being a character who killed billions of people just for his dear friends.. That is something only a character like Eren would do. No protagonist, no antagonist, no hero, no evil genius just foolhardy guy in the worst possible circumstances. Also, him selfishly wishing Mikasa to hold onto him was again, so humane and the thing I've been wanting to see since the beginning. Ymir being in love with the fritz trash was the only sensible explanation why she obeyed him and simply didn't kill him off since love does not suppose to make sense. Seeing the dead Eldian characters through the path when the titan power was vanishing made my heart ache, it was sad to see my favorite character, Erwin, for the last time. Most importantly, I respect Iseyama sensei for making a consistent timeline. Everything Eren saw when kissing Historia's hand was the memories of his from the future. Seeing those memories meant those things happened. You cannot change what already happened thus also what will happen and Eren didn't even try to stop the future he saw because of that. He was in fact determined to make it happen. This type of time travel or flashforward concept really fits in my logic and again, I appreciated it deeply. Since it was the last chapter, it made me tear up. I'll be waiting for Iseyama Sensei's new works! I'm personally part of the "Well, now what do I think about this" team lol |
| -Isayama read The end of got- Later isayama Ok, it's My turn! |
JakeL7 said: So I just re-watched the Marley Arc, and ngl, that shit still hit. I’m not going to let the ending ruin my immense enjoyment for the rest of this series. I get why people say “oh it ruins the rest of it!!!” (even though I don’t agree), but in actuality, the series is still incredibly good and it’s pretty easy to just ignore the ending whilst watching. There’s so much to love that it would be a shame for this one chapter to kill your enjoyment of the rest of the series. It depends the scenes, but I can't stop myself and cackle like a mad witch from Umineko hahaha.wav style when I rewatch Eren's interactions with Mikasa in season 1 and 2, when he say he's finally free from her xD |
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Yae_Simp said: So how would it be better? You ask about in what way I would modify the existing one or which fanconcept I see as the best one to be the best ending possible for Shingeki no Kyojin? |
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| Eren could have saved his mom but THAT wouldn't get rid of the titan powers. Letting her get killed did. Also, people should realize Eren didn't actually turn into a bird. It's all just symbolism. |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: Eren could have saved his mom but THAT wouldn't get rid of the titan powers. Letting her get killed did. Also, people should realize Eren didn't actually turn into a bird. It's all just symbolism. For the 1000th time, not the fact she got killed by him is the problem but the fact that is sounds just ridiculous and out of place. Also people should realize that most of the bird comments / memes are exactly about that symbolism. |
Satoya said: People have theorised Eren killed his mom since the power to ''time travel'' with paths was introduced. I see why people dislike it but it's hardly out of place.I_Am_Freeballing said: Eren could have saved his mom but THAT wouldn't get rid of the titan powers. Letting her get killed did. Also, people should realize Eren didn't actually turn into a bird. It's all just symbolism. For the 1000th time, not the fact she got killed by him is the problem but the fact that is sounds just ridiculous and out of place. Also people should realize that most of the bird comments / memes are exactly about that symbolism. |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: Satoya said: People have theorised Eren killed his mom since the power to ''time travel'' with paths was introduced. I see why people dislike it but it's hardly out of place.For the 1000th time, not the fact she got killed by him is the problem but the fact that is sounds just ridiculous and out of place. Also people should realize that most of the bird comments / memes are exactly about that symbolism. I've never heard that theory before. Maybe there are even some people who thought that, but again there are like millions of theories so that doesnt mean anything at all. |
Satoya said: I remember when ch121 came out and it was revealed that Eren pushed Grisha to kill the royal family there were people theorising this already. Again, I understand why people may dislike this but it makes perfect sense to me. It was set up as early as chapter 96 if I remember correctly.I_Am_Freeballing said: People have theorised Eren killed his mom since the power to ''time travel'' with paths was introduced. I see why people dislike it but it's hardly out of place. I've never heard that theory before. Maybe there are even some people who thought that, but again there are like millions of theories so that doesnt mean anything at all. |
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hvms said: I don't think so since Eren didn't act on his love for her even before he got the memories. I look at his reluctance to act as constantly putting on the ''strong'' facade in front of her. His question of ''Mikasa, what am I to you?'' is supposed to tell you he would rather have her say something then be the one to confess first. Eren was always someone who let his emotions get the better of him but he never wanted to show any weakness or vulnerability. We saw it in the rare moments like when he broke down in the glowing cave.Genuine question: I've been seeing people justify Eren not acting on his love for Mikasa because he knew they could never be actually together, so isn't it an act of "letting go of someone you love deeply" like Ymir needed? Couldn't Eren be the one to free Ymir just because of this? |
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| Holy shit lol. To OG Ymir Mikasa is best girl. Just had to fall for Mikasa instead of OG Fritz. Also one could say that's masochistic of OG Ymir. Idk, we sure it wasn't Stockholm Syndrome causing Ymir to feel obligated to 'love' Fritz. Yikes on a bike. There it is, ironically 80% of humanity gone is the alternate ending for ending spoiler, different series: Promised Neverland. In AoT Eren escaped consequences more blatantly than the amnesia ending in the other series while also including amnesia of Mikasa and Armin getting to see the future in this series. >>;; Well, I certainly wouldn't sympathize with Eren who didn't show regret for what he did which was maniacal, but that's a spit take he would prefer to be with Mikasa and not Brother Zoned. I'm just going to ignore the characters' statements that Eren saved them because... Kinda? And yet nope lol. What about how they almost just died fighting him five minutes ago? "There will always be conflict," but imo what Eren did which was wiping out 80% of humanity made it worse. Perhaps insisting on a peace pact instead of The Fumbling would've been real diplomacy from Paradis Island, Eren. :/ Did the Marleyans call it Paradis or was it the Eldians? Oops lol. :/ Levi did finally kill the Beast Titan... who kept thinking if Eldians couldn't have any more kids it would be the solution. Also nah. Hard to believe Levi's tired out now. Falco's too good-hearted for this world lol. Inb4 there's a sequel to the series where Titans mysteriously attack places because OG Ymir's mutation centipede/caterpillar/skeleton did survive not just affecting Eldians whereas Connie's mom becoming human again is all we've got to show Titan is over. Increase the in-fighting, don't make it just about the Eldians turning into Titans. Solved. /s That would be more contrived, less so if Isayama brought back the surviving cast who know how to fight Titans. I almost wish it had ended in the past chapter like something by Ito Junji with Mikasa kissing ded Eren while Ymir was smug like, "I ship that." The bird's face wasn't shown so it's a tiny harpy Eren jk. :/ Edit: My post is meant to be civil and spoilers are hidden so I hope it's ok. >>;; |
Eris-w-Apr 11, 2021 6:13 PM
LeonhartAugust said: This ending is just so WTF. I think Isayama was high when he wrote this. Old post, but this is also my headcanon. xD |
iSpade said: Lovlis said: didn't i literally just say that "Eren's obviously had to seal his feelings for her and shut her down, ever since s1 bcuz of the burdens he carries." Eren didn't really have time or felt he had the right to confess to Mikasa. They were also like 15 before the timeskip. So not much time to think about romance, but it was pretty obvious that Eren still cared for mikasa. i think the fact that Mikasa's answer could've changed his mind, rather than armin or smth, proved that he really valued mikasa. Perhaps it wasn't as full on romantically charged until know, where we finally get eren's pov and feelings, but it was definitely hinted. And again, how does this ruin his entire character. Can you provide examples of it happening before the timeskip, of Eren showing interest in Mikasa and not the other way around? Your favorite ones out of them, maybe. The scarf thing in chapter 1 is the only one I can recall srry this is super late. Anyways, they were usually too busy trying to survive for us to see a lot of relationship interactions but even still, eren promising to wrap mikasa's scarf around her forever, him defending mikasa at the trial, him opening up to mikasa and admitting that he was weaker than the person he was trying to protect, etc. |
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| Why do so many people actually think that eren literally became a bird that's dumb af. |
| Best way to end the series,the ending ties everything up perfectly. |
PiedPiper_ said: Fuck farmer kun and everyone remaining alive. Historia's character went down the drain. The execution for this is so goddamn awful it's appalling now. Eren went from literally one of the best anti-heroes to a lelouch wannabe. Armin, Reiner, Jean Gabi Pieck falco enjoying there lives. While Historia showing resolute gaze, when she fucking was busy with flirting farmer kun and labour. This couldn't have been any worse. This was the best part of the ending, at least the only good one |
| If there's ever gonna be an olympic event involving mental gymnastic, defenders of this manga's ending will snatch all the gold medals. |
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| these are the best explanations imo for the final chapter and Eren imo, instead of shouting buzzwords INCEL!!!!! SIMP!!!! MASTERPIECE!!! EREMIKA!!!! EREHISU!!! NORMIES!!!! TOXIC!!!!! ANR!!!! RETCON!!!! HEIS19!!!! maybe go read it, its loads of wall of text but its good imo, its better time spent than being angry on the forums imo music for readers, works amazing with the text:[also best song in SNK imo] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47o8WcYJ6Vw FULL EXTENSIVE Explanation[PART-1]: [Credits to the user MakeItRain21] https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mnwa1u/a_defense_of_the_ending_and_refutation_of_common/?sort=old FULL EXTENSIVE Explanation[PART-2]: [Continued in Comment] [Credits to the user MakeItRain21] [Reminder: There is a 3rd important post hidden under the comment removed by moderator] https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mnwa1u/a_defense_of_the_ending_and_refutation_of_common/gu04ywy/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Super Abridged Version of Above Explanation: [Credits to the user MakeItRain21] https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/moms3r/manga_spoilers_what_i_hope_is_a_reasonable/gu77fbs/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 sleep now sweet prince, Freedom finally in death personally never cared for Eren but the final 2 arcs made him one of my favorite characters of all time, his entire character and fate is so fucking tragic, what a character ๐ข I liked the ANR theory but after reading the explanations and context of the manga ending I've come to appreciate Isayama's ending a lot more [i hated it initially] though the final chapter still has some big issues with pacing/length and some side characters being super cringe *cough* Reiner *cough* but was a fun ride, sad to see it end |
Cain_7Apr 12, 2021 4:25 AM
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