Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
Justbusiness said: BromWalar said: I can not agree with that. I will say that the best worldbuilding was probably provided by Made in Abyss but that does not mean Re:zero lacks it. It gives you only relevant worldbuilding and when it is put, it is impactful. I will give you some great examples of great worlbuilding provided: 1) The disappearance of the letter addressed to Ram near the end of season 2. Rem wrote it, but she was attacked by archbishop of Gluttony so the letter came blank as the one who wrote it disappeared... what made it even better is the fact that a letter being blank is in re zero basically a war declaration of sorts. This a great use of worldbuilding. 2) The crystals in mansion change color depending on the time of day. So people are guided by this rather than clock. 3) People being born with blessings... only they know them and mostly conceal it to not be a subject exploitation. It also affects natural growth of an adult... in the case of Otto we now know that as he was hearing all those inconceivable noises, he was then unable to speak at all which later affected his life in many ways. 4) There was Japanese letters on the tree that was used to kill the white whale, which hints at other people being summoned. Also the world ha its own writing system that Subaru had to learn. There is so much more... but saying the worldbuilding is lacking is an overstatement... it is perfectly adequate for the context of a given arc. Those are plot related subjects if more just litte character development ( not that it's bad, it just isn't world building). Let me give you a grasp of some questions that you make while analyzing world building: 1) What are the society characteristics is it imperialist, aristocratic... 2) How do they live in this world do they work? How, where?. 3) Is there magic in this world? How does it work? Is being a mage good? Do powerful mages have prestige and or political power?.... 4)... And the list goes on, of course the questions can change from show to show due to genre and narrative interests. The world is everything to a fantasy, the story needs to convince me not just that the world is real, but also that the story can only be fully explored in this set world due to it's influence and interactions with the characters. I hope I was useful. I'd like to apologize if I offended someone, I'm not here neither to attack nor to offend anyone. Thank you for reading. Plot related or not - btw every good worldbuilding aspect should be plot related or it is unnecessary - they are worldbuilding elements. 1) Tells of a custom used to send a message of war and that the ability to erase somebody will also erase things connected to them. You also know from season two that it was made by a with because of her twisted reasons and it was roaming the world for a long time and was a public menace as is apparent with those veterans seeking revenge and Subaru gaining a lot of prestige by slaying it. - THIS IS WORDBUILDING 2) Not even related to plot, so it meets your criteria 3) People being born with them and the ramifications are shown and explained: WORLDBUILDING 4) Do not know what you mean by "..." but my point "4" is a WORLDBUILDING too. To your points: 1) It was explored during royal selection in quite a detail. There are royal candidates, chosen by an insignia that is given by the Drangon which has a pact with this nation. You also get information about other nations, like Cararagi which is a nation dedicated to trading. 2) Emm... yea, they work duh... Otto became a traveling merchant. 3) If you are asking whether there is magic, you did not watch the show. Yes, there is. You got explanation about divine blessings that are given to random people and they intrinsically know about them (and it is rare). We know they were powerful witches but were killed 400 years ago. How it works was explained by Puck (there is a gate) we also know that Subaru damaged his get and needed it to be magically treated... later in season two he used it more and it broke (meaning that if you use it too much you can lose the ability all together - THIS IS PURE WOLDBUILDING). The most powerful mage is Roswaal and he is a noble with his own mansion and a lot of land that he owns and his word has weight in the royal capital. As I have without a doubt proven, there is a lot of worldbuilding present in Re:zero and questions posited by you can be answered with what is given in the anime, most of the time. Lastly, no the world is not everything to the fantasy... it is one of the 3 pillars: story, characters, worldbuilding and the most important thing, most of the times, is the characters, story and then worldbuilding. All important... and Re:zero does not lack in any of these; it excels in story and characters (maybe mainly the characters as of now) and the worldbuilding good enough if not great. No problem, I did not see malice in your comment. Just could not agree because it is factually wrong statement to make as I have proved above. |
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| I would say 1.Steins;Gate 2.Hunter x Hunter 3.Attack on Titan 4.Ufotable's fates (starting with Fate/Zero) 5.ReZero Honorable mentions: Made in Abyss, Vinland Saga, Mob Psycho, Sangatsu no Lion So top5 in my opinion! |
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LightVelox said: Justbusiness said: Those are plot related subjects if more just litte character development ( not that it's bad, it just isn't world building). Let me give you a grasp of some questions that you make while analyzing world building: 1) What are the society characteristics is it imperialist, aristocratic... 2) How do they live in this world do they work? How, where?. 3) Is there magic in this world? How does it work? Is being a mage good? Do powerful mages have prestige and or political power?.... 4)... And the list goes on, of course the questions can change from show to show due to genre and narrative interests. The world is everything to a fantasy, the story needs to convince me not just that the world is real, but also that the story can only be fully explored in this set world due to it's influence and interactions with the characters. I hope I was useful. I'd like to apologize if I offended someone, I'm not here neither to attack nor to offend anyone. Thank you for reading. Most of those were already answered, just not outright said on your face like in most isekai 1)It's a kingdom that has a queen that is voted by people, if she can be a candidate she gets the insignia, do her best to get popular and be voted(from what i understood) 2)The first episode alone shows that on the commercial area, you're either a worker(at shops or travelling merchant) or you're a knight(or neither and just live in the slums) 3)Yes, it showed that everyone has their type of magic, Emilia being Ice and Subaru being shadow, you use your mana to cast the spells but use too much and you break your gate and is now unable to cast magic(which happened to Subaru in season 2), considering all mages until now were either important or powerful people we can presume yes, people can also have Divine Blessings that are basically like permanent buffs or born abilities, like talking to animals, dodging any attack, controlling earth as long as your feet is planted on the ground, illness immunity and so on... I've never read the LN or even watched the OVAs and i know that so it's not like you have to be a hardcore fan to get this information. The problem with rezero is that, as i said, these things aren't just thrown at you, they are usually just mentioned in conversations or explained briefly in some scenes, that because most arcs just happen in one specific place so there isn't much to explore, not sure if Arc 5 or 6 are also limited to one location Emilia actually uses Fire Magic not Ice Magic. Fire Magic is basically temperature manipulation in Rezero World. |
Pulkit200Mar 22, 2021 8:43 PM
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Justbusiness said: Those are plot related subjects if more just litte character development ( not that it's bad, it just isn't world building). Let me give you a grasp of some questions that you make while analyzing world building: . . . And the list goes on, of course the questions can change from show to show due to genre and narrative interests. The world is everything to a fantasy, the story needs to convince me not just that the world is real, but also that the story can only be fully explored in this set world due to it's influence and interactions with the characters. I hope I was useful. I'd like to apologize if I offended someone, I'm not here neither to attack nor to offend anyone. Thank you for reading. I partly agree with what you are trying to get across here. Re:zero's anime does lack clear focus on such elements and descriptions are sparse whenever given. Although, I don't exactly get why lack of such elements can hurt this anime series in particular, given that the focus was on fleshing out the person who was a real-world recluse/NEET dreaming of a fantasy world experience (escapism) as opposed to strictly unraveling the fantasy world before him. It did abide by a show-don't-tell approach wherever it could in terms of world-building and made the best use of it to carry forward the story and the interactions between the characters. As an example, we are shown that there is a clear prejudice against anything that is non-human. Lugunica was shown to have separate restrooms and bars for demi-humans/beastmen. The outskirts of the city is littered with slums occupied predominantly by beastmen. Only humans were shown to occupy higher positions of power (for example, the Elder Council). Hoshin faction (Anastasia) were the only ones shown to recruit beastmen as mercenaries/traders and it works to their favour as they have greater access to workers that can ensure the expansion and protection of their own trade. This is all considering there had been a Demi-human war prior to the events of Emilia meeting Roswaal for candidacy. Likewise, Emilia in turn is treated with scorn and contempt due to her lineage, status as a demi-human and due to her goal of becoming a ruler of Lugunica. This subsequently ties into Subaru and Emilia's interactions, where he angry at the people of Lugunica for not seeing who she really is (oh the irony of Subaru in Season 1 here, lol) and he is also annoyed at Emilia for hiding her troubles from him. What I mean to say here is that such elements are only injected as and when the story/plot demands and makes full use of it. This is definitely no R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth where we are given detailed descriptions of Ents and their backstories, the knowledge of which contributes very little to the main story. I can understand the argument of immersion by creating a novel and detailed world, but this series aims to achieve that first with characters and their struggles while the rest comes later. |
KreatorXMar 22, 2021 12:56 PM
Justbusiness said: BromWalar said: Plot related or not - btw every good worldbuilding aspect should be plot related or it is unnecessary - they are worldbuilding elements. 1) Tells of a custom used to send a message of war and that the ability to erase somebody will also erase things connected to them. You also know from season two that it was made by a with because of her twisted reasons and it was roaming the world for a long time and was a public menace as is apparent with those veterans seeking revenge and Subaru gaining a lot of prestige by slaying it. - THIS IS WORDBUILDING 2) Not even related to plot, so it meets your criteria 3) People being born with them and the ramifications are shown and explained: WORLDBUILDING 4) Do not know what you mean by "..." but my point "4" is a WORLDBUILDING too. To your points: 1) It was explored during royal selection in quite a detail. There are royal candidates, chosen by an insignia that is given by the Drangon which has a pact with this nation. You also get information about other nations, like Cararagi which is a nation dedicated to trading. 2) Emm... yea, they work duh... Otto became a traveling merchant. 3) If you are asking whether there is magic, you did not watch the show. Yes, there is. You got explanation about divine blessings that are given to random people and they intrinsically know about them (and it is rare). We know they were powerful witches but were killed 400 years ago. How it works was explained by Puck (there is a gate) we also know that Subaru damaged his get and needed it to be magically treated... later in season two he used it more and it broke (meaning that if you use it too much you can lose the ability all together - THIS IS PURE WOLDBUILDING). The most powerful mage is Roswaal and he is a noble with his own mansion and a lot of land that he owns and his word has weight in the royal capital. As I have without a doubt proven, there is a lot of worldbuilding present in Re:zero and questions posited by you can be answered with what is given in the anime, most of the time. Lastly, no the world is not everything to the fantasy... it is one of the 3 pillars: story, characters, worldbuilding and the most important thing, most of the times, is the characters, story and then worldbuilding. All important... and Re:zero does not lack in any of these; it excels in story and characters (maybe mainly the characters as of now) and the worldbuilding good enough if not great. No problem, I did not see malice in your comment. Just could not agree because it is factually wrong statement to make as I have proved above. The questions were just examples quite the simple ones, but I'm grateful you took it seriously ( If i knew I'd make proper question😂) You are in the right way, I'll jus give an example from avatar. In avatar the archture politics and society status from the four nations are directly correlated to their own elements ( in the fire nation the shire power, pride and loyalty define how powerful you are, meanwhile in the air temples the respect, knowledge and experience are the main points of a monge) As with the city the bending techiniches are also completely different from the posture to the execution ( the flow of the water, the pride of the fire, the resolve of the rock and the unpredictability of the air). both this points are addressed in the story as the difficult that a primary air bender avatar have to learn the earth bending and the different social interactions problems they face, especially in the north water city and the whole fire nation it self. That's just a simple summary( if I can even call that one), if I'd enter in details we'll be here for a while. The first and second paragraphs are the world itself no characters, no names, no story, just the place where the story is told, the fourth is how the world interact with the story. You are right in everything you told, the problem is that the show gives the why everything exists not how they interact with the characters, as the anime stands today. I'm stopping here, you are pretty smart being able to pack the plot and story pretty strongly and with quite ease, my English is pretty limited when it comes to writing, and I got some new structures from you. From your closing argument the show is composed by characters,story and world building, but the genres say to you how the story is told (tropes, stereotypes, seriusness...) and which of them will have the most development, so yes fantasy have to develop a world, as romance and drama characters because it's the core of the show. I'm saying "which one will be developed" because the studios have limited budget and time (an example is that the kaguyasama's story can be told in any where in japan, but that's fine because it never wanted to be a fantasy, it wanted to be a romance with psychological interactions and it's exquisitely good as so), otherwise everything should be equally developed. I have not seen Avatar, but heard it has excellent worldbuilding. Mine go to example of this is Made in abyss. I would argue that it is shown how it interacts with characters, but not always explicitly; the rules established are just shown in the works (One other good example is Rams love for Roswaal which is strange, but it is most likely the result of her memory being devoid of her sister Rem - who was erased by the Gluttony - and without her she had noone in her life other than Roswaal). Thanks, you are quite eloquent yourself, even with the "lacking" English. I am not a native speaker so no worries about that, I understand. You are correct in saying "which one will be developed" as a story really needs only two to be done well to be considered well made (generally). Also I agree that re: zero is probably weakest in worldbuilding, but the thing is that the genre is "psychological" "mystery" and that is the focal point... also, it being mystery might explain worldbuilding not being the main focus because you are seeing the world from an ignorant viewpoint of Subaru, it makes sense for you to know mostly only what he knows and what is relevant at a given time. Also props to you for being one of the few people that, when I argue my case, will not lash out or starts going in circles adding nothing new. Also, I kinda wanna see Avatar now... |
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
| absolutely I didn't even needed to think twice |
TothSlayer said: you should check my on hold list Hendrix_10 said: watching it at least before commenting? Too complicated?NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! |
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| Yeah bro. 10/10 best anime of the century. The animation puts ufotable to shame. |
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Devils_prodigy said: Amalik0029 said: lol that's petty but hey thats your list.I'm pretty sure only aot has a shot from your listyaa you are right my man ,😃 I knew that I just rank 2010s anime I haven't seen a lot of anime of 2020s although my list is fake I haven't listed my actual favourite anime |
| Decade wise, Not for me but I still think it's very very good |
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| Yes! Top 1 for me. Also the whole series for me is best anime not of the year nor decade, but of century! |
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| re:zero is still ongoing ehm ln |
| “The only thing humans are equal in is death.” ― Johan Liebert |
| oh shit my 0 iq brain , well aot is ending like in april |
| “The only thing humans are equal in is death.” ― Johan Liebert |
| Personally speaking there wasn't another series that gave me the same kind of feelings as Re:Zero did. Of course I'm biased from reading the Web Novel but despite the many production and pacing issues in the anime I still think its characters and story have nothing to envy from other great shows. Some say the pacing is trash but I prefer a slow story that takes its time to develop its characters. Some say the dialogue is boring yet I find so much value in every of them: The characters expose all of their personal weaknesses and faults and despite the fact that the talks aren't the most straight to the point ones as they seem to be repeating a lot, they're so packed with emotions and meaning since they take form from the characters' mental state and not only an omniscient author who writes the perfect sentence straight away so every conversation gets to the point instantly. Like Subaru's multiple "I love you" torward Emilia in A Reason to Believe, it was the result of both Subaru's nature as someone who loves Emilia and also what Emilia wanted to believe after all the trouble she's went through. Emilia was craving for someone who loves her as she is and not because she's the overprotected princess or the witch who gest the attention of everyone she passes nearby. Some say they hate Subaru for staying the same over the course of the story but to me it's only natural that someone wouldn't make a 180 degrees turn like every other anime protagonist; we can see a lot of change still in Subaru's actions and his way of thinking. Despite his colorful attitude I find that he's one of the most human characters in anime. Some say they hate Emilia for being annoying and useless but I really don't see that; I think she has a great background to explain her current mental state and struggles and her "uselessness" wasn't because of poor writing like what happens in many nekketsu, but instead was part of her development and why she felt like ashamed of being overprotected by Subaru and one of the reasons she felt he couldn't see her like a normal girl. Maybe I'm an elitist but to me there's nothing more endearing than seeing the development of Subaru's and Emilia's relationship. |
QcDiabloMar 23, 2021 5:32 PM
QcDiablo said: "Perfection" thats what most of the people want a character to be, but sometimes a flawed thing is just as beautiful, personally i have had no problem with the pacing. I find it so that dialogue is only "good" with "good" characters.Personally speaking there wasn't another series that gave me the same kind of feelings as Re:Zero did. Of course I'm biased from reading the Web Novel but despite the many production and pacing issues in the anime I still think its characters and story have nothing to envy from other great shows. Some say the pacing is trash but I prefer a slow story that takes its time to develop its characters. Some say the dialogue is boring yet I find so much value in every of them: The characters expose all of their personal weaknesses and faults and despite the fact that the talks aren't the most straight to the point ones as they seem to be repeating a lot, they're so packed with emotions and meaning since they take form from the characters' mental state and not only an omniscient author who writes the perfect sentence straight away so every conversation gets to the point instantly. Like Subaru's multiple "I love you" torward Emilia in A Reason to Believe, it was the result of both Subaru's nature as someone who loves Emilia and also what Emilia wanted to believe after all the trouble she's went through. Emilia was craving for someone who loves her as she is and not because she's the overprotected princess or the witch who gest the attention of everyone she passes nearby. Some say they hate Subaru for staying the same over the course of the story but to me it's only natural that someone wouldn't make a 180 degrees turn like every other anime protagonist; we can see a lot of change still in Subaru's actions and his way of thinking. Despite his colorful attitude I find that he's one of the most human characters in anime. Some say they hate Emilia for being annoying and useless but I really don't see that; I think she has a great background to explain her current mental state and struggles and her "uselessness" wasn't because of poor writing like what happens in many nekketsu, but instead was part of her development and why she felt like ashamed of being overprotected by Subaru and one of the reasons she felt he couldn't see her like a normal girl. Maybe I'm an elitist but to me there's nothing more endearing than seeing the development in Subaru and Emilia's relationship. |
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| Of the last decade, probably somewhere in the top 15 for me. |
| Konosuba is best anime of the decade. Rezero is just a copy cat |
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At least get your facts straight lmao, Re:Zero started before Konosuba |
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Konosuba LN released first, do you even check before you post dude? GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT LMAO |
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aLotQuestion_ said: Konosuba LN released first, do you even check before you post dude? GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT LMAO You're the one who should get his facts straight. Re:Zero WN began on April 2012 dude, Konosuba was Dec 2012 |
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| It came out in 2016 so nah. Not one of the best of the 2010s. 2020s are still young though, had it started in 2020, then sure. |
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| Definitely one of the best of the decade, maybe top 20 |
ByMySkills said: I'm sorry for all of you fanboys, but I didn't really like the story because of the wierd side characters and the bad antagonists Ok? Nobody cares. |
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ByMySkills said: Just accept other people opinions and don't hate on them. Like this you just show everyone that you can't live with criticism. Say what you want, I don't care dude |
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| I won't lie, I really enjoyed the first season and I tried really hard to love this second season. The main problem I had with it is the pacing and the amount of lore. So many episodes were just constant cryptic dialogue and information dumps while still keeping you in the dark so it was also confusing. Some of the lore was really interesting to watch though, like Emilia's repressed memories. |
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| I think it’s not even near to being one of the best. I liked the first season but the first part of the second season was so boring that now I’m having hard times on watching the second part of the second season. I don’t want to write too much (I lost this habit of mine) but is a big no from me. |
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| Re:Zero S1 was fantastic. However, ever since then it has been declining in quality with this season being the worst one. Characters’ motivations feel so vague even with their copious amounts of dialogue simply because there is nothing of note that has actually happened in S2. Speaking of dialogue, it just feels mediocre and unnatural now compared to S1. It feels like the characters are simply rehashing their previous statements and saying nothing new. Overall, very mediocre. 5/10 |
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| Without a question. It’s the peak of the isekai genre. |
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| Yes. Yes, it is. Re:zero is going down on history as an absolute classic. |
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IFollowKIngs said: aot is from the PAST DECADE TO LOL !! ... Re:Zero too. what the hell is wrong with the logic in this thread? (^% LOL! |
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