Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu 2nd Season Part 2 Episode 10 Discussion

growl432 said:


I mean...why does this series throw away important plot details, to explain them much, MUCH later?
1) Well, the reason for this would be that it's not relevant at this point in time, and it builds mystery and intrigue. I get why you might feel frustrated- but that's kind of what this series is, a mystery and infodrip. For all we know, the exact reason might be spoilers for something really important. I would trust the author and hold off your judgement fully about this until it's actually explained.

Actually, is that kind of a theme in this series?: Learning to become more independent?
This is most definitely a theme of the series, even in the content that's currently being written.

The anime has said explicitly several times Emilia has dependency issues on others (although I don't recall how it's demonstrated/shown; only told). Beatrice and Roswaal rely on a freaking book to give them any sense of direction in their lives.
2) Beatrice and Roswaal are also portrayed as dependent characters, to be fair. Emilia is dependent in the sense that for all of her life after waking up, she listened to Puck and did as he said; these are details from S1 but Puck would decide her outfit and hairstyle everyday, etc. Furthermore in this season in particular she's relied on everyone to do things for her, needing Subaru to hold her hand all night long for example for emotional comfort and getting extremely upset when Puck leaves her. Specifically, well, this is a lot of cut subtext from an episode, but essentially what happened in the "taste of death" loop was that Emilia in an unstable state after thinking that Puck and Subaru had both abandoned her - Puck wasn't coming out of the crystal and Subaru had left for the mansion, his note to her taken by Ryuzu I think so she didn't see it - she decided to spam the trial in order to become useful and make them like her more. She failed and kept spamming the trial and becoming more traumatized until she gave up on being useful and just decided to be completely dependent and take care of Subaru and listen to him, hence the kiss in the Taste of Death. The ending of this season will make clear what a kiss means to Emilia, I would rather not spoil.

such as Roswaal explicitly pointing out that Subaru wasn't upset about him killing Ram and Garfiel, that scene could've been more subtle
Agreed.

Re: Zero's message is that you can't escape from your responsibilities in life
I would say one of the messages is moreso that you can't escape from your flaws and must overcome them if you want to achieve your goals. This is executed quite well in Season 1 and 2 in my opinion because Subaru is forced to confront his problems until he can overcome them, and so is Emilia and Garfiel in Season 2. This only continues with other characters later on as well so I find this to be more of an accurate depiction of the story.

rather than have characters explicitly point out subtext in other areas (like constantly reiterating how Subaru and Roswaal are supposed to be similar).
Agreed about this in terms of the face overlay in episode 7 I think being way too obvious. The ReZero adaptation can do this sometimes which I find unfortunate; at least there is still stuff to find if you dig deeper though.

Hope this helped, again any questions are fine



Her regeneration was whittled down, yes. I do also think it was kind of in slow motion for dramatic effect, the hippo was probably falling way faster than it was shown.

I'm not 100% sure about the enjoying pain thing, I can't confirm that.

darkfearie said:

Ahh, thanks. I don't mind a tiny spoiler. I saw this in another YouTube comment. and since I don't read the WN, I wouldn't be surprised that she's still alive. Is that true?

Atavistic said:
No one asked for Elsa's backstory. No one gives a shit about her and her backstory is so basic and flat it's completely pointless. On top of that, it actively breaks the momentum of that entire fight scene apart while also forecasting exactly what's going to happen. Actually, that's the problem with this second cour in general: there's too much dialogue, a lot of which ends up being inane and repetitive to the point of being over-indulgent and disrupting the show's attempts to build any sense of momentum whatsoever.

That being said, this was a very solid episode besides that small moment. Despite Subaru's best efforts, they won't be making it through this loop without a sacrifice, and I suppose at this point it makes the most sense for that to be Ram, as she's done her bit for the plot and gotten as far as her character probably can given the Roswaal situation.

darkfearie said:

Ahh, thanks. I don't mind a tiny spoiler. I saw this in another YouTube comment. and since I don't read the WN, I wouldn't be surprised that she's still alive. Is that true?

higan15 said:

JeXxTaR said:


It wasn't even her backstory (she was explaining why she likes innards), just like Petelgeuse's it appears way later

NHS-KEMISH said:
anyone has the name of the ending song?

growl432 said:


Yeah, I really don't know why people are assuming this is her whole backstory. No one knows how she began to become commissioned for assassinations or how Meili connects with that. It was literally one scene from her childhood that gave some insight on why she guts people.

higan15 said:


ラム［村川梨衣］ - あなたの知らないこと

It is not released though, was announced it will be released at 03/24

Pulkit200 said:


Yes it is. All the Insert Songs will be released on 24th March.

NHS-KEMISH said:

Thanks a lot! Do you know if the Emilia insert song as well on this date?

ViktorLocke said:
But wouldn't it be more effective to show his full backstory early on, THEN break down his character? Instead of doing it in reverse (breaking down his character, then showing his backstory). Because, it's hard for me to care about a character's breakdown, when I don't even know where they're coming from; in season 1, all we knew about Subaru's backstory was summed up in episode 18, when he basically said, "I've been a piece of shit loser my whole life." And people loved that, because they related to the feeling of having low self-esteem; not because those people themselves were necessarily losers.

ViktorLocke said:
I never found Subaru despicable; did I find him obnoxious in season 1? Absolutely. But Subaru was never a bad person; yes, he acted like a buffoon at the capital scene, but he's never done anything immoral.
And I don't find his backstory to make me feel sympathetic, really: he didn't suffer from some huge trauma. If I recall; he simply just felt a bit isolated or something (correct me if I'm wrong, it's been months since the episode where his backstory was explored) because he was no longer the cool kid in class? Either way, he was pathetic in his old life; and not in a way where I could pity him.

Jaereku said:
In Emilia's case, it was also a natural outcome that her story wouldn't be shown in Season 1. We were watching things from Subaru's perspective, seeing as it's a character study and all, and to Subaru she was little more than the ideal heroine. Similarly to Subaru, she got hers when the focus of the story shifted to the ensemble cast, after Subaru's character arc was completed.

ViktorLocke said:
There were very few episodes in season 1 that had any dedication to Subaru's development. If I had to pinpoint which episodes, they'd be episodes 15-18. But even then, saying episodes 16-17 were meant to develop him is I feel a stretch; as those episodes were dedicated to mostly just making him suffer. I still remember how back when those episodes were airing, even hardcore Re: Zero fans were like, "When is the torture porn going to end?"

ViktorLocke said:
Except I don't get the vibe that Re: Zero's trying to be a mystery. The same fans who've told me Re: Zero is a mystery, have also told me it's a, "psychological horror mystery drama character study." Okay, so then what is this series supposed to be? This series does not emphasize psychological much. It's certainly never tries to scare me. I don't get drama or mystery vibes. It rarely tries to be a character study; I feel that what fans consider character study of this series, is what I consider to be conventional character development. I don't see how Re: Zero is any more of a character study than say, Vinland Saga, which also has character development.

ViktorLocke said:
I haven't watched Attack on Titan beyond season 1 (yet), so I can't comment on it.
In the case of Higurashi, Higurashi wouldn't be nearly as scary if it wasn't for the mystery; a lot of the horror in Higurashi comes from now knowing what the hell is going on. Also, Higurashi (the OG series) isn't more than 2 seasons long; so the mystery doesn't drag out nearly as much as Re: Zero.

swordmaster2551 said:


There was some meili info in one of those animated shorts thing they do with the chibi versions

MegaKyle said:
Anybody else notice Ram's horn around 27 minutes in???

MegaKyle said:
Anybody else notice Ram's horn around 27 minutes in???

wfantasy said:
Seems many people are talking about stockholm syndrome. Feel responsible to clarify a little bit.

It's a pity people viewing Ram having that but I do understand the anime may not make this clear. The anime flashbacks maybe only hints the whole story but not provides the full view.

I am a little too lazy to see what has been animated, therefore I hide this behind a spoiler flag so that people who are interested can check. But I ensure this is not related to any future content.

SomethinRandumb said:
Rem not existing for her has to have something to do with it. That's your profile pic, no?

SomethinRandumb said:
Side stories do not mean shit to me. The director was aiming this at everyone, not only those who have read the novels or side stories. It was treated as a mystery as to why Ram was so loyal to Roswaal in the first season, even before it was revealed Roswaal played a part in her tragedy. Whether it's revealed sooner or later in the anime it still makes sense given the absence of Rem especially.

SomethinRandumb said:
I guess she's adorable, I don't look at anime characters like that though. They either serve the story or they don't. Personal attachment doesn't play any role in my judgement. That's rather silly.

Soupisekaitrash said:
Alright from what I can put together from the 3rd trial
1st- Sounds like Subaru referring to maybe Reinhard or Julius?
2nd: Seems to be Wilhelm talking to Reinhard
3rd: Subaru throwaway line, doesnt seem important
4th I can't tell, maybe Petra
5th: Rom referring to Felt
6th: Otto to that Riccardo guy
7th: Subaru to Satella makes most sense
8th: Crutch? Idk for this one
9th: Sounds like Elsa but I don't know what shes referring to
10: Ram to idk
11: Reinhard
12: Otto to Subaru
13: Garfiel to Subaru
14: Roswaal confessing to Ram
15: Ram to idk
16: Sounds like Minerva
17: Sounds like Carmilla

All my guesses btw

Romores said:

I was just saying I find her adorable, don't take it too seriously.

JanPri said:
Wait, so Roswaal was the one who made Emilia break up with Puck? I still don't get what's their exact relationship... Was Puck one of the lesser spirits Emilia called fairies in her youth?

Also, why did Minerva say she knew Emilia's mom? I thought it might be an implication Emilia's mom is Satella, but isn't Emilia's mom a human??? Satella was a half-elf, wasn't she?

And why was Roswaal so afraid when he thought Puck transformed into his true form? Has he ever seen him like that?

slavemaster_1991 said:

Same, can't really understand how OP pervert who has no plot and no worthy eneimes is even remotely close to this, where it is not even the final fight, yet it looks and feels like one. The absolute mastercraft.

cecito said:
I feel sick as hell after a vaccine and I'm DUMB rn, can anyone explain me why was Echidna so mad at Emilia after the second trial? idk if I'm not remembering something or if is one of those things that will be revealed later.

Antearion said:


I disagree. The first trail had so much character development for Emilia. The reasons why she couldn't complete it. To her stop relying on others and finally facing the truth. And in the end realizing she must learn to conquer and move forward with her own two feet. Something she did all in the first trail. The last two trails had none of this. They just kept repeating the thing you already know. I know she can stand on her own and face the challenges life throws at her with more back bone. You repeating it to me with each trail as if I forgot in the span of seven days is not helping. She hasn't gain any more "NEW" character development. You making it out to be more than what it actually is.