Why there is always so much fanservice?

doshiteKAMISAMA said:
tbh I personally wouldn't drag an anime down for fanservice (unless it's like fire force)
though I guess it's in most anime as it gathers attention from the audience so they might want to continue watching the show for not solely the plot but also the fanservice

CuteAssTiger said:


i think it really disrupts the flow of fire force because the fanservice cuts into the serious scenes.
Soul eater separated its comedy-fanservice and serious scenes pretty well but in fire force its just not clear what some scenes are supposed to be

Tasel said:
bad anime, like Classroom of the Elite

usernamewhatuser said:
I see alot of posters saying that it's just fan service and to get over it, but these young women are depicted as 15 year olds. If only teenagers watched this, there is very little problem in my mind, however, as I'm sure, most western viewers are adults. I don't think i need to spell out the implications. I'm not saying if an adult enjoys this show (i certainly do) there's something wrong with them, yet there is a ton of food for thought if your okay with young teenagers being sexualized.

Lavszera said:
So, lately I was reflecting a bit of Classroom of The Elite, and I just realized how full of fanservice the show is. I mean, is my favorite anime, but it could be better with less fanservice. I'm pretty sure that this happens with other animes. Could you guys explain me why the directors prefer putting a lot of fanservice instead of adapting more content from the LN/Manga?

usernamewhatuser said:
I see alot of posters saying that it's just fan service and to get over it, but these young women are depicted as 15 year olds. If only teenagers watched this, there is very little problem in my mind, however, as I'm sure, most western viewers are adults. I don't think i need to spell out the implications. I'm not saying if an adult enjoys this show (i certainly do) there's something wrong with them, yet there is a ton of food for thought if your okay with young teenagers being sexualized.

Tropisch said:
Did you really just create an account today and necro this thread just to get offended by drawings? Back to Twitter with you where your kind proliferates. 

FanofAction said:
I didn't even notice that. Just came here to tell a lame joke. This seems fairly common though. Someone digging up an older thread rather than making their own thread, I assume to get their thoughts out while still hoping it gets burried again and thus gets fewer negative responses.

LostSpectre said:
There's nothing interesting about the sexualization of a fictional cartoon that looks like a god damn alien compared to a literal human being.

usernamewhatuser said:


Whereas that is mostly true, the danger lies in giving permission to see young teens as people who are universally oggled and making it fine to oggle them in turn. The age of the characters in this anime matters to the plot, so how are the viewers supposed to divorce the declared age of these girls from their sexualization. If these were university aged girls, fine, who cares, but since these are people who are not of age, it's just ------- creepy. It leads to the question of why, and my best guess is to generate profit by sexualizing teens for an adult audience. Beyond ------ up.

ColourWheel said:


Brings up an interesting question. Is it worse that some people really enjoy seeing young women depicted as 15 year old teens being sexually exploited in fictional Anime? or is it worse seeing someone complaining about people who really enjoy seeing young women depicted as 15 year old teens being sexually exploited in fictional Anime? I would say both are about equally absurd in their own way.

usernamewhatuser said:


Whereas that is mostly true, the danger lies in giving permission to see young teens as people who are universally oggled and making it fine to oggle them in turn. The age of the characters in this anime matters to the plot, so how are the viewers supposed to divorce the declared age of these girls from their sexualization. If these were university aged girls, fine, who cares, but since these are people who are not of age, it's just ------- creepy. It leads to the question of why, and my best guess is to generate profit by sexualizing teens for an adult audience. Beyond ------ up.

usernamewhatuser said:


Whereas that is mostly true, the danger lies in giving permission to see young teens as people who are universally oggled and making it fine to oggle them in turn. The age of the characters in this anime matters to the plot, so how are the viewers supposed to divorce the declared age of these girls from their sexualization. If these were university aged girls, fine, who cares, but since these are people who are not of age, it's just ------- creepy. It leads to the question of why, and my best guess is to generate profit by sexualizing teens for an adult audience. Beyond ------ up.

wizdom224 said:

It's a cartoon bro. I get what you're saying and I've been there before but it really is just a cartoon at the end of the day. It's not hurting anyone. Yes, I'm a weirdo for liking it and so is everyone else, but that's the end of it.

Jackson1333 said:


It's interesting, because I find in a lot of cases, you could take that same high school age character, not change her appearance at all, slap her in collage and say she's older, and it would be just as believable. Think about my dress up darling, you could literally change nothing about the show, and just have the characters say they were in their first year of collage instead of high school, and nothing changes. Anime characters ages/appearances aren't nearly as linked in anime as they are in the real world. One character design can be used for anything from a 14yo to a 24yo.

It's like all those highschool dramas on tv, where they have 20-30yo actors who are playing highschool kids, even portraying them engaging in sexual acts, even though the actors are over 18, the characters they are portraying are often time 15-17yo. We tend to overlook the "sexualization" of these underage characters, simple because the actors aren't underage.

usernamewhatuser said:


Whereas that is mostly true, the danger lies in giving permission to see young teens as people who are universally oggled and making it fine to oggle them in turn. The age of the characters in this anime matters to the plot, so how are the viewers supposed to divorce the declared age of these girls from their sexualization. If these were university aged girls, fine, who cares, but since these are people who are not of age, it's just ------- creepy. It leads to the question of why, and my best guess is to generate profit by sexualizing teens for an adult audience. Beyond ------ up.

usernamewhatuser said:


I mostly agree, but even when it's a live action show there are no panty crotch shots or the focus of the camera being chest level while the character is talking. At most there is an inferrance of sex, but little else. I don't find the idea that teenagers having sex is sexualizing very convincing. If those chest level shots are there and i can basically see the actors labia, yeah . . . not really okay at all.

usernamewhatuser said:


No man, I'm not saying that if you watch this and like it (i do) there is anything inherantly wrong with that. Even if you like the fan service, as long as ur not perving on girls in real life, who ------- cares. The big, horrendous problems i have are the possibility that it will titilate real pervs and that adults put are profiteering off of sexualized children.

usernamewhatuser said:


No man, I'm not saying that if you watch this and like it (i do) there is anything inherantly wrong with that. Even if you like the fan service, as long as ur not perving on girls in real life, who ------- cares. The big, horrendous problems i have are the possibility that it will titilate real pervs and that adults put are profiteering off of sexualized children.

ColourWheel said:


This might come to a shock to you but in Japan live action TV targeting young audiences often had lots of panty crotch shots or the focus of the camera being chest level while the character is talking. You can go back and look at TV shows in Japan from the 80s like "Choudenshi Bioman", "Choushinsei Flashman", "Jikuu Senshi Spielvan" and one of my personal favorites that I remember watching when I was just young kid no older than 10 years old was "Space Sheriff Shaider". This mellowed down in the 90s but the "lots of panty crotch shots or the focus of the camera being chest level while the character" started showing up in Anime instead.

Felori said:
Of course there is no real danger from it, but it still feels weird when an anime tries to shove me a teenager's ass or panties into the screen. That's instantly unattractive.
And you would question why there is so little ecchi and fanservice with adult characters in comparison. It's not only directed at the teenager audience, the sexualized high schoolers are directed at a mature audience too.

usernamewhatuser said:


Not shocking at all, what kinda is though is that 40 years later corporations make money off of directing this treatment at animated teenagers. Again, if they made them collage aged, big ol shrug, but since they decided to make the characters children, i think it is perfectly reasonable to question the jaw dropping profiteering that underlies the fan service in this instance.

LostSpectre said:
Then it's a good thing your on the case to protect these poor oppressed anime girls from corporate executives profiteering off their supple young bodies.  

usernamewhatuser said:


I mostly agree, but even when it's a live action show there are no panty crotch shots or the focus of the camera being chest level while the character is talking. At most there is an inferrance of sex, but little else. I don't find the idea that teenagers having sex is sexualizing very convincing. If those chest level shots are there and i can basically see the actors labia, yeah . . . not really okay at all.

Jackson1333 said:


While I do agree that most of these shows don't tend to have random panty shots with the camera zoomed in to max, I strongly disagree with the idea that "At most there is an inference of sex" As there are shows that feature full nudity of female characters that are supposed to be highschoolers, stepping out of a lake after skinny dipping, while the camera pans up her body, and full-on sex scenes acted out. It's more than just inference, these characters are explicitly having sex. But again, no one bats an eye, because well, the actors are of a legal age.

usernamewhatuser said:


No you're definitely right in alot of cases cases. There is actually a very well reviewed film called The New World where the character was, i think, fourteen and played by a underaged teenager, where, if i remember correctly, she was shown topless at least once. But instances like that are almost always decried publicly and criticized in the media. That film is also, like, 20 years old. It doesn't really matter where this stuff comes from, though. Once it's out there, those instances, especially if they are only meant to titillate, should at least be honestly discussed with all respect due to what these things imply.