Shingeki no Kyojin: The Final Season Episode 3 Discussion

Dec 23, 2020 3:31 PM

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What a mess. I couldn't follow or even get into this.

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But my feels.

Dec 24, 2020 12:55 AM

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Good animation,good story telling to anime watchers,i m manga reader but i m still happy to watch ep3 bcs the pacing of story is acceptable,Great job MAPPA😍give Annie more screentime please!!!!

Dec 24, 2020 5:33 AM

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Meritas

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Infiltrate your enemies to understand why they fight. If Paradis has any success of winning it will be because of strategies like this.

Dec 24, 2020 9:47 AM

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@SirTristram

I've been watching Kino's Journey lately (I've seen it in your favorites) and holy shit, it really showed me how a great director can use the limitations of an anime production to its advantage, as long as the scripts allow for every scene to be paced properly. The animation is impossibly limited and the art direction isn't anything to write home about either, but every still frame in this anime gets the proper amount of time to settle into the viewer's eyes, every little question is built up with care, attention and focus, and there's so much space for the director to emphasize visual metaphors and draw parallels.

This is the stuff that makes works of fiction last; all the little, presumably unimportant things, details, directional choices that together make up a show's identity, and they all need time to breathe in order for an anime to become more than a plot-machine.

Sometimes I also appreciate it when a show scripts its dialogue at a menacing pace though. This works in Bakemonogatari or Steins;Gate because they deliberately play scenes at high speed in order to convey a sense of wittiness and smart-assery befitting to the dialogues themselves. The scriptwriters and directors make it a point that it's fast because it enhances the content, while sometimes switching to slower paced scenes during introspective segments of the story.

These are the creative choices that fly over many people's heads, but they very much influence the viewer's experience on a subconscious level. Hardly anyone is actually going to say: “Holy shit, the way they paced and edited the ending-scene of Episode 14 (the one where Hanji looks inside of Eren's mouth, preceded by Erwin and Levi talking to Eren for a bit) was fucking amazing”. Nobody notices these abstract, almost invisible moments, but they help tremendously in order to achieve the poetically mind-blowing and lasting effect it has on people. (It's obviously just an example, I could list many of these kinds of moments from every episode of the first three seasons but that scene is one of my personal favorites, lol.)

Almost everyone's favorite anime series are actually filled with creative and self-aware choices like these in one way or another, and it's sad that the Final Season of AoT doesn't really allow for these moments to happen.

Dec 24, 2020 10:39 AM

#455

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Harsha1314 said:

flareneos43 said:
As an "anime only", I'm not understanding the ending and I guess the overall setting on the final season. How far in the future is this compared to last season? Eren is busted af and Reiner wants to commit suicide. When/how did Eren even get in? I assume everything will be explained later, but as someone who didn't read the manga, the time skips are really getting to me. Lol. I understood reiner, bertholdt, annie past and the events that led up to the very first episode in season 1, but this "new present" being x amount of years from season 3 is getting to me a little. haha

yeah people need to give a lot of attention to dialogue

Yeah like always. They are not gonna spoon feed you like your typical generic shounen with 500 plus episodes.

Subjectivity is a joke on MAL. If you implicitly bring in subjectivity in your counter argument, you've already lost the debate. Also this website is a fankid infestation , have pity on those kids by ignoring there quotes as they have absolutely no clue what exactly is going on.

Dec 24, 2020 10:44 AM

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MironBiron said:
@SirTristram

I've been watching Kino's Journey lately (I've seen it in your favorites) and holy shit, it really showed me how a great director can use the limitations of an anime production to its advantage, as long as the scripts allow for every scene to be paced properly. The animation is impossibly limited and the art direction isn't anything to write home about either, but every still frame in this anime gets the proper amount of time to settle into the viewer's eyes, every little question is built up with care, attention and focus, and there's so much space for the director to emphasize visual metaphors and draw parallels.

This is the stuff that makes works of fiction last; all the little, presumably unimportant things, details, directional choices that together make up a show's identity, and they all need time to breathe in order for an anime to become more than a plot-machine.

Sometimes I also appreciate it when a show scripts its dialogue at a menacing pace though. This works in Bakemonogatari or Steins;Gate because they deliberately play scenes at high speed in order to convey a sense of wittiness and smart-assery befitting to the dialogues themselves. The scriptwriters and directors make it a point that it's fast because it enhances the content, while sometimes switching to slower paced scenes during introspective segments of the story.

These are the creative choices that fly over many people's heads, but they very much influence the viewer's experience on a subconscious level. Hardly anyone is actually going to say: “Holy shit, the way they paced and edited the ending-scene of Episode 14 (the one where Hanji looks inside of Eren's mouth, preceded by Erwin and Levi talking to Eren for a bit) was fucking amazing”. Nobody notices these abstract, almost invisible moments, but they help tremendously in order to achieve the poetically mind-blowing and lasting effect it has on people. (It's obviously just an example, I could list many of these kinds of moments from every episode of the first three seasons but that scene is one of my personal favorites, lol.)

Almost everyone's favorite anime series are actually filled with creative and self-aware choices like these in one way or another, and it's sad that the Final Season of AoT doesn't really allow for these moments to happen.

So I guess you are going to beat the dead horse until its over? Looking forward to your analysis on how bad episode 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 & 16 will be.

I mean we get it, Mappa is bad, Wit is good! It doesn't get anymore black and white than that.

Dec 24, 2020 10:53 AM

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If there is any room for them to trim the story, I believe it was in these chapters only. From what I've heard from the manga readers,things are going to get better as the story progresses in terms of pacing... Also waiting for hayashi himself to direct an episode...

Dec 24, 2020 11:19 AM

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Eren is here out of nowhere xD. It’s a good episode, I’m curious to see what happens next.

Dec 24, 2020 11:22 AM

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keragamming said:
So I guess you are going to beat the dead horse until its over? Looking forward to your analysis on how bad episode 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 & 16 will be.

I mean we get it, Mappa is bad, Wit is good! It doesn't get anymore black and white than that.

Please stop being so defensive bro. You literally ignored everything that I said (including my mildly positive review of episode 2, as well as my statement that the staff is not at fault, as well as my statement that it’s still a perfectly watchable show) and framed my post as MAPPA hateposting. Learn something from it instead of getting offended!

Dec 24, 2020 12:03 PM

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MironBiron said:

keragamming said:
So I guess you are going to beat the dead horse until its over? Looking forward to your analysis on how bad episode 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 & 16 will be.

I mean we get it, Mappa is bad, Wit is good! It doesn't get anymore black and white than that.

Please stop being so defensive bro. You literally ignored everything that I said (including my mildly positive review of episode 2, as well as my statement that the staff is not at fault, as well as my statement that it’s still a perfectly watchable show) and framed my post as MAPPA hateposting. Learn something from it instead of getting offended!

It's difficult to provide valid critiques on an anime forum, as chances are uptight individuals will strawman your argument and dismiss it. It's ironic considering the moral of the AoT's narrative is to understand another's perpsective.

Dec 24, 2020 12:15 PM

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MironBiron said:

keragamming said:
So I guess you are going to beat the dead horse until its over? Looking forward to your analysis on how bad episode 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 & 16 will be.

I mean we get it, Mappa is bad, Wit is good! It doesn't get anymore black and white than that.

Please stop being so defensive bro. You literally ignored everything that I said (including my mildly positive review of episode 2, as well as my statement that the staff is not at fault, as well as my statement that it’s still a perfectly watchable show) and framed my post as MAPPA hateposting. Learn something from it instead of getting offended!

There is nothing to learn as I don't see majority of the issues you are pointing out in the episodes(You even admit that most of us wont even notice these subtle things you are talking about, so I can't relate at all to majority of your criticism.

The only issues I can relate to is the pacing for this episode, this episode was the best looking episode visually, the colours were vibrant the art style looked crisp and it felt like Wit studio was the one that did the episode, the frames looked well drawn which I remember you complain about in episode 1.

I need to compare the staff from episode 1 to episode 3, as episode 3 looked the best and I hope they stick to this visual, I guess this is the inconsistency of not having the character designer supervising the designs.

Honestly with the unrealistic nitpicking that you are doing, there is a 0% chance Mappa will tick all the boxes for you in any of these episodes, which means there is a high chance episode 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 & 16 too will suffer the same faith as previous episodes or maybe a few of them will get lucky and receive a mildly positive review like episode 2 as you have pointed out to me.

My question is, did Wit studio tick all those boxes in all episodes all the time? If yes, it just mean that Wit has a style that you love, while Mappa style is different from the style you love, that doesn't mean Wit style is better, its just different.

Its like comparing two different artist with different unique style and you love artist #1 style more than artist #2, now every time artist #2 draws something you criticize artist#2 and point out the things artist #2 lacked that artist#1 has, which is just not fair.

What you should be doing is critique what the studio is trying to do, but fail at doing that, for example the rotoscoping, its very ambitious but they didn't execute it as well as they should have, the walking seem jarring and the camera movements in some scenes were jarring, I see what they are trying and how ambitious they are, but the execution was lacking.

Difference between me and you is that before the first episode aired I told myself that I will judge the series for what it is and not what it is not, it is hard so I wont pretend that I still did not compare Mappa with Wit studio, for example the cgi, I would have loved if they were all 2d like Wit studio, but I accept it as what it is and cgi wasn't bad at all.

Mappa has a done a great job so far, it could have been better? Of course! But a good job nonetheless, critcizing them on these subtle things just seems like nitpicking/unrealistic expectation to me.

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Dec 24, 2020 12:43 PM

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Still love democracy

Dec 24, 2020 2:48 PM

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Cornelius_ofSucc said:
It's difficult to provide valid critiques on an anime forum, as chances are uptight individuals will strawman your argument and dismiss it. It's ironic considering the moral of the AoT's narrative is to understand another's perpsective.

Yep.

To the other guy that quoted me: Take a chill pill and learn basic comprehensive reading. I’m not going to waste my time on your comments.

Dec 24, 2020 3:08 PM

#464

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@MironBiron

I'm glad you are enjoying it. I don't know if you are celebrating, but I think it kinda suits the spirit of Christmas with the vibe it gives and the magical OST it has. This is a very appropriate time to watch it if you ask me.

You should definitely check out Satoshi Kon's other works too, Paprika is on your list, if you are really interested in how much can a director bend the limits of the anime medium to create something magical and unusual. For example, if there was a live-action adaptation of "Perfect Blue" by Satoshi Kon, "Black Swan" by Darren Aronofsky actually was extremely inspired by it and you could say it's an adaptation, I'm sure it wouldn't be nearly as good in that format.

Other than that, I completely understand what you mean and agree with the points you make since I'm a cinema person first, a theater person second and an anime person last. Btw, just block the two people above.

Dec 24, 2020 3:34 PM

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SirTristram said:
Other than that, I completely understand what you mean and agree with the points you make since I'm a cinema person first, a theater person second and an anime person last.

Ah yes. I kinda figured you were a cinema person. Good to know.

I wanna see Perfect Blue and Millennial Actress but I was never in the mood for it. I can see the value in being disturbed but Perfect Blue is going to wreck me I think, I’ll still watch it someday though. Maybe I’ll watch Tokyo Godfathers on the second day of Christmas.

Dec 24, 2020 4:03 PM

#466

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Nice episode of flashback. Love to see Reiner, Annie and Bertholdt childhood. Can't wait for the next episode. Also, the last scene tho..

Dec 24, 2020 4:37 PM

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I liked this episode overall but it was kinda messy at times. They skipped a lot of important scenes but I guess the story must go on. This is what studios have to do when they're forced to rush.

It sucks that this happened to AOT and there was no reason to rush this season other than the committee wanting more money.

I feel bad for the animators, they must be working overtime like crazy.

Dec 24, 2020 8:42 PM

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does this mean Eren and Co. infiltrated the other side?!? and is that left leg intentionally amputated? so many questions arising again! great to see young Annie and Berthold and such pitiful past flashback of young Reiner!
5/5.

Dec 24, 2020 9:17 PM

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These set of chapters in the manga were fantastic, I can say the anime episode was decent but disappointing in some ways. I kind of understand the situation given the tight schedule and limited frame of 16 episodes, but the ways in which this flashback was adapted makes me sad. Ideally it should have been an episode and a half or 2. Most of the cut content I'm not even upset about, except for them just cutting straight to the wall breach. Not animating RBA's struggle to the wall, with Bert's POV and the tight situation that pushed them there is a shame. It ruins some of the emotional impact and it also creates confusion with anime viewers as they think Annie was unconscious during the whole operation. Also cutting from 2d WIT amour titan to the 3d mappa one in the middle of Reiner's inner monologue was kind of awkward which ruined some of the impact of the scene.

The main problem is the pacing, it felt more like a recap in some ways. Going from scene to scene at a very fast pace with no breathing room and time to linger on scenes/moments just diminishes the overall emotional impact. Like some of these scenes do not come close to the manga due to how quickly they fly by and appear like Reiner's confrontation with his dad. It also makes some parts awkward like quickly cutting to Annie and Kenny. Especially given the slow pacing of this arc (and the next one) in the manga, it makes me worried about how they'll handle the content. The episode itself was pretty well directed and animated for the most part imo.

I'm expecting this episode to be the exception regarding pacing since they stuffed like 2.5 chapters in this episode. The second episode which was dialogue heavy was paced pretty well and most of the cut content was minor. The director and screen writer seem to have a good understanding of the source material. Obviously, it's an adaptation so it's not going to be exactly the same regarding how the story is presented and they can change/cut stuff if they want. It becomes an issue when the cut content is important to the story and characters, and also affects the pacing.

I think for anime viewers they definitely liked this episode and thought it was good, but good isn't enough considering how amazing it is in the manga.

So far the team behind this adaptation are doing a great job, especially given the tight schedule and 16 episodes they were given. Ideally this season (if it intends to end around 122) should have been 20 episodes. Episode 4 seems to be paced well and has no major cuts based on leaks, I just hope they are able to keep this consistent momentum as seen in episode 1 and 2 regarding the pacing/content for the later parts.

Dec 24, 2020 10:30 PM

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Bhaskar_Singh said:

Harsha1314 said:

yeah people need to give a lot of attention to dialogue

Yeah like always. They are not gonna spoon feed you like your typical generic shounen with 500 plus episodes.

yeah thats always the case with aot be it s3 pt1 s3 pt2 or any other season. So much foreshadowing about mp and king working together and hints of why they could be the bad guys is every where in s1. The same with ep 2 of s4. The hints are everywhere and it is rather the most lively dialogue only ep in aot. The best one is still bystander and thats also not just because of the studio adaptation but story itself

Dec 24, 2020 10:32 PM

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spiderboi said:
These set of chapters in the manga were fantastic, I can say the anime episode was decent but disappointing in some ways. I kind of understand the situation given the tight schedule and limited frame of 16 episodes, but the ways in which this flashback was adapted makes me sad. Ideally it should have been an episode and a half or 2. Most of the cut content I'm not even upset about, except for them just cutting straight to the wall breach. Not animating RBA's struggle to the wall, with Bert's POV and the tight situation that pushed them there is a shame. It ruins some of the emotional impact and it also creates confusion with anime viewers as they think Annie was unconscious during the whole operation. Also cutting from 2d WIT amour titan to the 3d mappa one in the middle of Reiner's inner monologue was kind of awkward which ruined some of the impact of the scene.

The main problem is the pacing, it felt more like a recap in some ways. Going from scene to scene at a very fast pace with no breathing room and time to linger on scenes/moments just diminishes the overall emotional impact. Like some of these scenes do not come close to the manga due to how quickly they fly by and appear like Reiner's confrontation with his dad. It also makes some parts awkward like quickly cutting to Annie and Kenny. Especially given the slow pacing of this arc (and the next one) in the manga, it makes me worried about how they'll handle the content. The episode itself was pretty well directed and animated for the most part imo.

I'm expecting this episode to be the exception regarding pacing since they stuffed like 2.5 chapters in this episode. The second episode which was dialogue heavy was paced pretty well and most of the cut content was minor. The director and screen writer seem to have a good understanding of the source material. Obviously, it's an adaptation so it's not going to be exactly the same regarding how the story is presented and they can change/cut stuff if they want. It becomes an issue when the cut content is important to the story and characters, and also affects the pacing.

I think for anime viewers they definitely liked this episode and thought it was good, but good isn't enough considering how amazing it is in the manga.

So far the team behind this adaptation are doing a great job, especially given the tight schedule and 16 episodes they were given. Ideally this season (if it intends to end around 122) should have been 20 episodes. Episode 4 seems to be paced well and has no major cuts based on leaks, I just hope they are able to keep this consistent momentum as seen in episode 1 and 2 regarding the pacing/content for the later parts.

a certain person on twitter very reliable one did state that they will be adaptidng relatively low amounts after ep 5. Idk what exactly that could mean but prolly the paradis island arc if pacing and direction is done well could be the best arc yet if done well

Dec 24, 2020 10:51 PM

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I hope so, it seems chapter 106, the end of the Marley arc will end in the middle of episode 9 which will give the next arc 7.5 episodes. This is worrisome as although not as dense as Marley it’s still dialogue heavy and slow in some parts, so it will be 2 chapters an episodes if they intend to end at 122. Do you remember the user?

Harsha1314 said:

spiderboi said:
These set of chapters in the manga were fantastic, I can say the anime episode was decent but disappointing in some ways. I kind of understand the situation given the tight schedule and limited frame of 16 episodes, but the ways in which this flashback was adapted makes me sad. Ideally it should have been an episode and a half or 2. Most of the cut content I'm not even upset about, except for them just cutting straight to the wall breach. Not animating RBA's struggle to the wall, with Bert's POV and the tight situation that pushed them there is a shame. It ruins some of the emotional impact and it also creates confusion with anime viewers as they think Annie was unconscious during the whole operation. Also cutting from 2d WIT amour titan to the 3d mappa one in the middle of Reiner's inner monologue was kind of awkward which ruined some of the impact of the scene.

The main problem is the pacing, it felt more like a recap in some ways. Going from scene to scene at a very fast pace with no breathing room and time to linger on scenes/moments just diminishes the overall emotional impact. Like some of these scenes do not come close to the manga due to how quickly they fly by and appear like Reiner's confrontation with his dad. It also makes some parts awkward like quickly cutting to Annie and Kenny. Especially given the slow pacing of this arc (and the next one) in the manga, it makes me worried about how they'll handle the content. The episode itself was pretty well directed and animated for the most part imo.

I'm expecting this episode to be the exception regarding pacing since they stuffed like 2.5 chapters in this episode. The second episode which was dialogue heavy was paced pretty well and most of the cut content was minor. The director and screen writer seem to have a good understanding of the source material. Obviously, it's an adaptation so it's not going to be exactly the same regarding how the story is presented and they can change/cut stuff if they want. It becomes an issue when the cut content is important to the story and characters, and also affects the pacing.

I think for anime viewers they definitely liked this episode and thought it was good, but good isn't enough considering how amazing it is in the manga.

So far the team behind this adaptation are doing a great job, especially given the tight schedule and 16 episodes they were given. Ideally this season (if it intends to end around 122) should have been 20 episodes. Episode 4 seems to be paced well and has no major cuts based on leaks, I just hope they are able to keep this consistent momentum as seen in episode 1 and 2 regarding the pacing/content for the later parts.

a certain person on twitter very reliable one did state that they will be adaptidng relatively low amounts after ep 5. Idk what exactly that could mean but prolly the paradis island arc if pacing and direction is done well could be the best arc yet if done well

Dec 24, 2020 11:13 PM

#473

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spiderboi said:
I hope so, it seems chapter 106, the end of the Marley arc will end in the middle of episode 9 which will give the next arc 7.5 episodes. This is worrisome as although not as dense as Marley it’s still dialogue heavy and slow in some parts, so it will be 2 chapters an episodes if they intend to end at 122. Do you remember the user?

Harsha1314 said:

spiderboi said:
These set of chapters in the manga were fantastic, I can say the anime episode was decent but disappointing in some ways. I kind of understand the situation given the tight schedule and limited frame of 16 episodes, but the ways in which this flashback was adapted makes me sad. Ideally it should have been an episode and a half or 2. Most of the cut content I'm not even upset about, except for them just cutting straight to the wall breach. Not animating RBA's struggle to the wall, with Bert's POV and the tight situation that pushed them there is a shame. It ruins some of the emotional impact and it also creates confusion with anime viewers as they think Annie was unconscious during the whole operation. Also cutting from 2d WIT amour titan to the 3d mappa one in the middle of Reiner's inner monologue was kind of awkward which ruined some of the impact of the scene.

The main problem is the pacing, it felt more like a recap in some ways. Going from scene to scene at a very fast pace with no breathing room and time to linger on scenes/moments just diminishes the overall emotional impact. Like some of these scenes do not come close to the manga due to how quickly they fly by and appear like Reiner's confrontation with his dad. It also makes some parts awkward like quickly cutting to Annie and Kenny. Especially given the slow pacing of this arc (and the next one) in the manga, it makes me worried about how they'll handle the content. The episode itself was pretty well directed and animated for the most part imo.

I'm expecting this episode to be the exception regarding pacing since they stuffed like 2.5 chapters in this episode. The second episode which was dialogue heavy was paced pretty well and most of the cut content was minor. The director and screen writer seem to have a good understanding of the source material. Obviously, it's an adaptation so it's not going to be exactly the same regarding how the story is presented and they can change/cut stuff if they want. It becomes an issue when the cut content is important to the story and characters, and also affects the pacing.

I think for anime viewers they definitely liked this episode and thought it was good, but good isn't enough considering how amazing it is in the manga.

So far the team behind this adaptation are doing a great job, especially given the tight schedule and 16 episodes they were given. Ideally this season (if it intends to end around 122) should have been 20 episodes. Episode 4 seems to be paced well and has no major cuts based on leaks, I just hope they are able to keep this consistent momentum as seen in episode 1 and 2 regarding the pacing/content for the later parts.

a certain person on twitter very reliable one did state that they will be adaptidng relatively low amounts after ep 5. Idk what exactly that could mean but prolly the paradis island arc if pacing and direction is done well could be the best arc yet if done well

id also point out even if it isnt related to this; all those complaining about pacing and not able to digest the first 2 episodes were fricking fantastic even the pacing and moments were great espeacially the direction in ep 2. Of course there aint as much story in ep 2 but it was paced well and anyone with a proper mind would agree that pacing in ep 2 was good. Nothing felt glossed over or rushed in it. Its just ep 3 which adapted relatively more chapters! Like people are going of comparing s3 pt 1 pacing was better just because of ep 3. They didnt nor pointed any wrong with ep 2 because there wasnt much at all! Except cuts which aren't even all that effective even in use plus they rearraged some of them to ep 4 according to sources!

Dec 24, 2020 11:32 PM

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hyperfire said:
Rushed pacing for sure, but rather have it be rushed here than in later episodes where the content is much meatier.

Honestly they could've cut out the hanged man scene entirely and allocated that saved time to flesh out other parts of Ch 95-97 of the manga (i.e. expand either the fall of Wall Maria from the Warrior's perspective or the 104th trainees spending time together, etc.)

you will see why the hanged man scene is one of the most imp ones for this arc after ep 5

Dec 24, 2020 11:35 PM

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Harsha1314 said:

hyperfire said:
Rushed pacing for sure, but rather have it be rushed here than in later episodes where the content is much meatier.

Honestly they could've cut out the hanged man scene entirely and allocated that saved time to flesh out other parts of Ch 95-97 of the manga (i.e. expand either the fall of Wall Maria from the Warrior's perspective or the 104th trainees spending time together, etc.)

you will see why the hanged man scene is one of the most imp ones for this arc after ep 5

I am a manga reader but I forgot: how does the hanged man scene come back again?

Dec 24, 2020 11:47 PM

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[quote=Neil1998 message=61498016]

Harsha1314 said:

hyperfire said:
Rushed pacing for sure, but rather have it be rushed here than in later episodes where the content is much meatier.

Honestly they could've cut out the hanged man scene entirely and allocated that saved time to flesh out other parts of Ch 95-97 of the manga (i.e. expand either the fall of Wall Maria from the Warrior's perspective or the 104th trainees spending time together, etc.)

you will see why the hanged man scene is one of the most imp ones for this arc after ep 5[/quoam a manga reader but I forgot: how does the hanged man scene come back again?

its related to reiner's character. Spoilers:

Reiner seeks judgement from someone just like the hanged man wanted to be judged so it will repeat when "they" meet at a certain place

Dec 25, 2020 3:06 AM

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[quote=Harsha1314 message=61498055]

Neil1998 said:

Harsha1314 said:

you will see why the hanged man scene is one of the most imp ones for this arc after ep 5[/quoam a manga reader but I forgot: how does the hanged man scene come back again?

its related to reiner's character. Spoilers:

Please add a spoiler tag

Dec 25, 2020 4:00 AM

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spiderboi said:
I hope so, it seems chapter 106, the end of the Marley arc will end in the middle of episode 9 which will give the next arc 7.5 episodes. This is worrisome as although not as dense as Marley it’s still dialogue heavy and slow in some parts, so it will be 2 chapters an episodes if they intend to end at 122. Do you remember the user?

Harsha1314 said:

spiderboi said:
These set of chapters in the manga were fantastic, I can say the anime episode was decent but disappointing in some ways. I kind of understand the situation given the tight schedule and limited frame of 16 episodes, but the ways in which this flashback was adapted makes me sad. Ideally it should have been an episode and a half or 2. Most of the cut content I'm not even upset about, except for them just cutting straight to the wall breach. Not animating RBA's struggle to the wall, with Bert's POV and the tight situation that pushed them there is a shame. It ruins some of the emotional impact and it also creates confusion with anime viewers as they think Annie was unconscious during the whole operation. Also cutting from 2d WIT amour titan to the 3d mappa one in the middle of Reiner's inner monologue was kind of awkward which ruined some of the impact of the scene.

The main problem is the pacing, it felt more like a recap in some ways. Going from scene to scene at a very fast pace with no breathing room and time to linger on scenes/moments just diminishes the overall emotional impact. Like some of these scenes do not come close to the manga due to how quickly they fly by and appear like Reiner's confrontation with his dad. It also makes some parts awkward like quickly cutting to Annie and Kenny. Especially given the slow pacing of this arc (and the next one) in the manga, it makes me worried about how they'll handle the content. The episode itself was pretty well directed and animated for the most part imo.

I'm expecting this episode to be the exception regarding pacing since they stuffed like 2.5 chapters in this episode. The second episode which was dialogue heavy was paced pretty well and most of the cut content was minor. The director and screen writer seem to have a good understanding of the source material. Obviously, it's an adaptation so it's not going to be exactly the same regarding how the story is presented and they can change/cut stuff if they want. It becomes an issue when the cut content is important to the story and characters, and also affects the pacing.

I think for anime viewers they definitely liked this episode and thought it was good, but good isn't enough considering how amazing it is in the manga.

So far the team behind this adaptation are doing a great job, especially given the tight schedule and 16 episodes they were given. Ideally this season (if it intends to end around 122) should have been 20 episodes. Episode 4 seems to be paced well and has no major cuts based on leaks, I just hope they are able to keep this consistent momentum as seen in episode 1 and 2 regarding the pacing/content for the later parts.

a certain person on twitter very reliable one did state that they will be adaptidng relatively low amounts after ep 5. Idk what exactly that could mean but prolly the paradis island arc if pacing and direction is done well could be the best arc yet if done well

spy tweeted this out

Dec 25, 2020 6:19 AM

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ADIABATICO

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So much cut content. I wish the infiltration part remained intact.

Transition from 2D to 3D Armored Titan was lame.

Pacing at full speed.

5/10

Dec 25, 2020 1:12 PM

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very excited to see an adult eren make an appearance, finally! i'm interested in what's happening but i have to admit i was getting a little bored with only these new faces and this war, i can't wait for the awaiting action now that the paradis gang seem to come around

The big secret to breaking the rules is to make it look like as though you're following them.

Dec 25, 2020 10:47 PM

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NakolHira said:

z7ProSpyce said:

Dude, seriously!??? They will not adapt the entire series in 16 episodes! The director alredy said this. Yeah, they cut things in this episode but nothing important.

umm, did I say entire series? 32 chapters include 91-122, not the entirety.

Sorry, I though that you sid 42 chapters. I'm blind so forgive me.

Dec 26, 2020 12:10 AM

#482

ahmad7ghareeb

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That end speech by non other than .. !

Dec 26, 2020 1:35 AM

#483

Catalano

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I had a hunch that the mothefvcker wasn't even an eldian, so I was right, he was a half, it would've been hilarious if he wouldn't transform when he was injected but too bad, he got her mother's good genes.
Basically they showed us the warriors side of the story, I wonder what pieck and monkey's mission was, kinda fast there for one episode but more and I would've been bored for I don't care about their story, I hate them and I want them to die, I celebrated when Marcel was eaten by Ymir. Now I want to find out why Ymir went to Marley of her own accord, she probably saw something in the titan's memory so who knows when I am going to find out.
Happy seeing my man there at the end, he infiltrated marley after the recent war, I think I saw him in episode 1 and 2 in the background (I avoided all snk spoilers so that's why), we don't know about the others but shit is about to get down.

Dec 26, 2020 8:33 AM

#484

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THOSE FRICKING WALLS AGAIN! I SWEAR!!!!!!!

"The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there."

"Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life."

Dec 26, 2020 11:39 AM

#485

Nairddd

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This episode perfectly present the theme of AOT

Dec 26, 2020 9:44 PM

#486

umaruchan26

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i feel like if i hadn't read the manga, i would just be really confused when it jumped to the kenny annie scene like why she following him and why is kenny suddenly here lol it was just jumping from one scene to another. i kinda didn't like how they placed a scene of the hanged man before he told the story i feel like the placing of events(lol idk wording) in the manga was fine and that the placing of events in the manga had more impact of that particular scene and that they didn't have to switch it around but uhh it was an ok ep i guess

Dec 27, 2020 3:42 AM

#487

JannahKareem

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Can someone just tell me why Annie looked so distorted when she was having a conversation with Reiner after he ran from the titan who ate Marcel?

Dec 27, 2020 7:04 AM

#488

Homm

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Rasco said:
What a mess. I couldn't follow or even get into this.

Agreed, 3rd ep, I hoped I will start understand what's going on but nope, I'm getting bored.

Dec 27, 2020 8:07 AM

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Can anyone explain why Reiner wanted to kill himself? Is it because his goal was to be a hero (to kill all people of paradise island because they are evil in his opinion) and that he found out that they are good people instead?

Dec 27, 2020 10:56 AM

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A little fast, but I think they got what they needed into the episode. I'm really liking the changes in the MAPPA style, I feel they really give something extra to the change in setting and timeskip, and I'm loving the OST so far.

No Gabi this episode, that still doesn't lessen my distain for her.

Dec 27, 2020 1:21 PM

#491

WolfWood37

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Now we know Reiner's whole story and the cycle keeps going...

and then that ending.

Dec 28, 2020 5:50 AM

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I knew it was Eren the moment he started talking that reveal was still epic though. I'm worried about how they're going to fit everything in this season and while it's been alright so far I just really hope they don't mess it up. The backstory was really nice to see as well. I always enjoy seeing the earlier seasons in the Marleyans perspective.

Dec 28, 2020 9:56 AM

#493

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Great Episode and Best anime in the world

Dec 28, 2020 9:58 AM

#494

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MAPPA is doing an amazing glow up with child Reiner..... I feel like the Marley arc rn in a little slow but I'm its going to get amazing soon (I've read the manga)

Dec 28, 2020 9:59 AM

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Best anime in the world

Dec 28, 2020 4:21 PM

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Reiner's flashback, I was not expecting this, and enjoyed every second! Please more old cast and less kid warriors.
And for the final season the role of Eren will be played by Nicholas Rogers lol

Dec 29, 2020 9:33 PM

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am i the only one who's kinda lost? like, on everything? maybe i'm just being stupid but i cannot keep track of all the flashbacks and time skips and who's who and where all the characters are.

Dec 30, 2020 2:08 AM

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keirakeira said:
am i the only one who's kinda lost? like, on everything? maybe i'm just being stupid but i cannot keep track of all the flashbacks and time skips and who's who and where all the characters are.

I just did a massive rewatch which helped a lot, but yes, I still struggle with some points (as in did they explain this already and I forgot?), so I understand where this is coming from.

Dec 30, 2020 3:43 PM

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The new guy looks rlly familiar if you know what I mean

Dec 30, 2020 3:54 PM

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Malikah said:
Can someone just tell me why Annie looked so distorted when she was having a conversation with Reiner after he ran from the titan who ate Marcel?

She has her own reasons for living. Reiner wanted to continue the mission after Marcel, the leader, just got eaten. But she wanted to find the new Jaw Titan shifter (Ymir) who just ate Marcel and return back to Marley. She has her own motivations for wanting to survive, some of it we saw in season 1, but it’ll be explained more later. Reiner wanting to continue the mission pissed her off.

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