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Nov 19, 2020 9:19 AM
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I remember being so upset about the delay to the 2nd part, but after seeing how dirty Inarizaki have been done, I gotta say, I would rather have had more delays.
This match is one of the best if not the best in the series, having this quality is such a shame for it and it doesn’t make justice to the original work. It’s not only the art and animation that suffers the sound design and directing has been hit the most
People are hating because they expect consistency. This show has been considered a top tier for a good 7 years.
Haikyuu on the other hand had 3 season of consistently great art and fluid animation, with a lot of attention to detail. The sudden art style change, especially being so great can already throw people off, but if you top that off with inconsistent art and blocky animation at times.
It’s not all covid’s fault, other series have felt the impact and the quality hasn’t dropped ( kaguya sama, SAO, Fire force, jujutsu...) and some of them aren’t even as mainstream/big sellers like Haikyuu
Nov 20, 2020 10:55 AM
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What different art style? I didn't noticed the difference.
Nov 20, 2020 11:08 AM
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i kind of agree. i binged from the first to fourth season part 1. it just felt really underwhelming when i went from the end of season 3 to season4 with the art change. Well, for me atleast. the characters look so weird at times i cant get used to it. but i guess some people found it fine.
Nov 20, 2020 12:51 PM
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ShadowUnown said:
What different art style? I didn't noticed the difference.


Watch any episode from season 1 to 3 and one from 4 right after, all in HD, and you'll notice the difference.
Nov 20, 2020 1:06 PM
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The particular character designs actually changed in the manga too around Shiratorizawa's match so I guess they are being true to the manga in this sense.

But what I can't get behind of is when they animate the characters with strange proportions. Here's an album with a few example shots of today's episode. https://imgur.com/a/65jZSQh

This season they have butchered Haikyuu's quality... Wonder if they will even fix things in the BD release.
Nov 20, 2020 2:54 PM
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I mostly agree with you @Blackkatsu001. Inarizaki match is probably one of the best in the series. Yeah I’m confused as well, why is Haikyu the only one affected? Jujutsu is great so far and I’m sure MAPPA will kill AoT(in a good way 🤣)


ShadowUnown said:
What different art style? I didn't noticed the difference.


The new artstyle was meant to be closer to the manga, and that style was present since the start of S4. However it’s really inconsistent this season because I’m pretty sure each episode has like three artstyles mixed into one.
There’s IG’s art/animation which is phenomenal.
There’s Takashi Mukuoda’s art which is more warped and simplified yet extremely fluid, and I’d say it’s very good.
The third is 4tune. They completely changed a lot of the character designs. And their animation isn’t fluid. I think their art is terrible compared to the rest of the series. They make the characters look tired/dead.
At least this is what I can understand.
Well episode 8 was pretty good in terms of art! Let’s hope this quality is maintained!! 😬
Nov 20, 2020 10:23 PM
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ShadowUnown said:
What different art style? I didn't noticed the difference.


watch the first spike by hinata in 1st episode of 1st season.
haikyuu is THAT good before
Nov 20, 2020 10:27 PM
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I'd be lying if I said it didn't really bother me. Since I binged all of season 3 once To the top part 1 ended and the change was drastic at first.

Thankfully the animation doesn't bother me, since I never pay attention to it anyway unless it's blatantly bad or amazing. It's none of those so it's all ok for me lol.

In terms of art, I've gotten used to it and the only one I'm still not over is how different Hinata looks. I think it might be his hair, but I think he looks really bad and miss how he used to look. Everyone else looks ok I think.
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Nov 20, 2020 10:57 PM
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This season is definitely not as good as the previous ones. However, I think that people also perceive it like less intense or less hype cause a lot of HQ fans got into it after 2016, so the option to binge it was always available. And watching this show weekly vs binging it on one go can definitely affect the experience.

I started watching this season when it started airing. But after watching the first three episodes I stopped cause it just didn't feel like Haikyuu. However today I decided to binge the next five chapters and while it still wasn't as good as my favorite season (s3) it definitely got better and I was able to enjoy it. I even teared up with the Noya arc (which was really good and did justice to the manga imo).


Another factor that probably plays part in how we perceive To the top is that 4 years have pass since the last season. And in that time we people grow older and things that were fine 4 years ago now seem childish. In that period of time is possible that a lot of people who liked anime started loosing interest and that now they're more into manga, idk.


This is not to say HQ still holds the same quality than it did with previous seasons, cause imo is not. But it's probably not as bad as we perceive it, and that that is just our expctations and biases playing into it
Nov 21, 2020 1:07 AM
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As a manga reader, I'm VERY disappointed with this season in general. It hurts me as a long time Haikyuu fan, how they've ruined one of my favourite matches in the series.

The first half wasn't this bad (it definitely wasn't as good as the previous seasons, but it was passable). Even with the downgrade of the overall quality, I was still positive about this match. But oh well. The pacing and direction (both visual and sound) are bad, and of course, the animation is where it falls the hardest. I actually didn't mind the new art style in Part 1, but the direction and animation is where the problem lies. As some people already said, this season lacks soul. Its bland, with a few moments here and there that are good, but not good enough to save this trainwreck. The pacing is horrible, idk how but they've managed to kill the 'flow' of the match that didn't even exist in the first place. THAT'S how bad the pacing and direction is. PLEASE, if you're an anime-only, READ THIS MATCH IN THE MANGA. There's a reason why so many people think that its one of the best matches. You're ruining your experience by watching the anime.

At this point I'm just sad and a bit hurt because, what the fuck? Haikyuu was one of the best anime shows that came out in the 2010s, it was so insanely popular, very highly rated and loved (all very well deserved) and now its... this. Whatever this is.

Just read the manga, guys. Please.
Nov 21, 2020 4:58 PM

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If this truly is the best match in the manga, I'm even more disappointed in this season, because I honestly don't care about this match or the other team in it. What a shame.
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Nov 24, 2020 1:46 AM

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While I like how it looks on the manga, I don't like the approach they have made in the anime with the designs, but that's not the problem itself, becaouse some scenes in the first cour were pretty well made. The thing that I'm hating more is the direction, I don't feel the hype that I felt in the previous matches. The OST is great, because the composer (Yuki Hayshi) is incredible, but sometimes it's bad used. The animation direction, the coreography... it lacks the impression it can have like in the previous seasons, and it's not the designs fault. I think that in this second cour we have had bad quality in production because of COVID issues (episode 2 confirms this), but when an episode is made by Production IG, except when it has some sakuga moment (tanaka's moment), it feels emotionless too.

Like I said, though I don't like the design approach in anime, I think the main problem with the inarizaki match is the direction. Also they have cutted a lot of content from the manga
. I'm kinda dissapointed because I had a lot of hype on this match but it's dissapointing me. I feel this match directionless, like a normal match, without any important moment (even if I know that it has some! it has character development on tanaka, nishinoya... but it just doesn't feel important some times!)... I liked more the first national match that lasted 2 episodes, it felt more hyped and important for me. Though I like long matches, if they are boring, I prefer it being short, Sheijos second match was just EPIC and it didn't cover half of a season, and it was more hyped and anticipated than this! And the worst part is that all manga readers say that this match is very important but it doesn't feel anything like it...

Also the animation is off sometimes... It's not that it has less sakuga moment (that is also true), but when it comes to normal movement, it just feels off sometimes.
Nov 24, 2020 8:53 AM

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RAWRfizzz said:
If this truly is the best match in the manga, I'm even more disappointed in this season, because I honestly don't care about this match or the other team in it. What a shame.


Agree, everybody hyping this up to be "THE BEST" it has to offer from here on out and I honestly have been asleep for more than half of this match. Maybe the manga is better? If season 5 (whenever they make it) is still this bad I'll probably try the manga and if even that is trash I'll have to consider only season 1-3 canon. This season has been a fat disappointment.
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Dec 5, 2020 12:51 AM
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I never thought i would say this, but this season of Haikyuu is the worst. The director killed this series. They destroyed this. The could have taken another 6 months and do the best they can but this is the worst. They killed the new generation king of shounen. Worst season. I remember saying to my friend that this season will be the best as this match against inazaraki was one of the best matches in haikyuu, but was i disappointed from the rocky start to latest episode, every episode missed the regular haikyuu feel. This is why i hate when they change studios or directors.
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Dec 5, 2020 10:11 AM

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I agree that both the animation quality and the direction has become worse in the entire S4. Only the latest 2 episodes of the second cour (eps 9 and 10) have brought some of that hype back which got me hooked to this series in the first place. Only now have I realised just how freakin boring have all of the S4 episodes been up to this point. So boring, I can't remember a single highlight until Hinata's save in ep 9 which finally reminded me again why I loved Haikyuu. That was the first point when the series started to seem good again.

I'm happy with the current episodes but when you think about the whole season, it's kind of a shame, really..

If I had to describe why the series seem worse overall, well, it just feels like watching a sports match in real life. It's quite realistic for sure, there is way less emotion and hype inducing moments. Instead of focusing on the characters it more focuses on the the ball flying back and forth which sometimes even feels like a chore to watch or pay attention to. The whole anime-like epicness is gone. The adrenaline inducing intense sakuga animation scenes that used to occur in previous seasons are also gone. Although I must admit, the animation quality has kinda improved in the latest episodes as they're showing the moves from quite good angles and everything seems pretty sharp so far.

I guess they've put all the effort into the final moments of the match.
I won't forget the horrific looking distorted scenes from ep 6 of the second cour though:
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I was pretty hyped in the beginning since I love this series but once you start to pay attention to the details, it gets really annoying.

I don't mind the OP and ED tbh and I still get the same hype from it like all the other seasons. Though the sound in the matches isn't used in the best way possible imo. I think it has a lot to do with the directing since the scenes don't follow through smoothly which kinda messes up the mood.

The animation and art are what messed it up for most people though. The characters are not drawn in proportion and it seriously looks like they weren't putting in much effort at all. I don't mind the art style changes but they should at least put some effort into it. Even the plays in the match aren't too impressive, as in they don't really have that same impact they had in previous matches. I still think they're pretty interesting and we get some great character development from other characters (like Nishinoya and Tanaka), along with some backgrounds on the members of Inarizaki.

Kinda just wish they tried harder this season, considering how great this match must be. Still worth a watch.
Dec 6, 2020 3:56 AM

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I'm not a fan of the original manga's art style and have always preferred the anime's style over it. If not for the anime, I wouldn't even have given Haikyuu a chance due to the drawing style (I'm a sucker for "beautiful" art as opposed to messy shounen styles). I think a lot of the female fan base of Haikyuu feels the same way. Once the characters and story grew on me thanks to the previous seasons, I could go on to read the manga but wouldn't have picked it up on its own merit.

To me it feels like the manga has a lot more going on in terms of characters etc than the anime S4 though. Commentary from supporting characters are either left out or minimized and shoved to the edge. But those things were what made the manga enjoyable to me despite the art style that didn't personally appeal to me.

The proportions and stuff *are* a byproduct of sticking more to the original manga's style, I believe. They're terribly off in the manga too often. We just notice/mind it more in the anime.

What *did* bug me a lot though were the super repetitive scenes. They used a lot of animations for serves and hits over and over again 1:1. Same scenes to the minute detail. Probably to save costs. They did that to a certain extent in the other seasons too but I feel like they added/changed tiny details before or didn't use them as often that made the scenes not appear as super blatant repetitions. This season I keep finding myself thinking "Wait, did I not just watch this exact scene? Which episode am I on?" (You notice it especially if you binge-watch this). And sometimes even those repeated scenes are animated badly/ugly, so it's twice as bad.

The directing often feels chopped and not as fluid as in the previous seasons. I think Mitsunaka might have been the better fit for director over Satou... Satou already directed some episodes in previous seasons afaik but either Mitsunaka's influence was bigger back then or Satou decided to go full ham on this season and make it all *new* and *shiny*, hoping to stamp their own name all over it. It went wrong spectacularly imo.
Dec 6, 2020 10:55 PM
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I don't necessarily think the quality drops are animators fault. These are the same staff of the previous seasons. So I think animation issues are most likely Covid's fault. I prefer the previous art style but I warmed up to the new one gradually. S4 part 1 was damn good even with the changes in terms of sakuga. So I don't think the animators should be blamed here. I do hope that the rest of the series doesn't suffer because of this.
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Big agree... I was also another binge watcher, where I rewatched S1 & 2 before freshly watching S3, 4 and what had aired of S5. Going from S3 to 4 was such a blow for me in terms of both art style and animation change but I could deal with it because at least the character development was decent in S4. This season tho... I also feel like 1. a lot of the music just doesn't fit with many of the scenes even though S1-3 always had great music sense and 2. the shifts between flashback scenes and character scenes between the match are not as well executed compared to previous seasons.

Obviously people will have their own opinions and for some, the art doesn't bother them at all. But it does bother me a LOT and I will probably be giving this season a 5 to a 6 depending on the final episodes even though I gave the previous seasons an 8 to a 10. I want to enjoy it, I really do, but I find myself unmotivated to watch each weeks new episode and don't feel hype before, during or after the episode like I used to. RIP old Haikyuu feels
Dec 18, 2020 12:41 PM
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tomizawa said:
The particular character designs actually changed in the manga too around Shiratorizawa's match so I guess they are being true to the manga in this sense.

But what I can't get behind of is when they animate the characters with strange proportions. Here's an album with a few example shots of today's episode. https://imgur.com/a/65jZSQh

This season they have butchered Haikyuu's quality... Wonder if they will even fix things in the BD release.
this is one of the better episodes lmao
Jan 30, 2021 8:42 PM

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agreed with the comments here I was pretty addicted to Haikyuu seasons 1-3 back in Dec 2016, now I don't really feel the same excitement/emotional attachment to the characters while watching season 4 (plus it feels like Karasuno already won anyways). I dislike mainly the art style change of Hinata, his hair used to look more fluffy/better animated now it looks spiky/stiff and characters look more flat??
Feb 2, 2021 7:40 AM
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the art style was changed to fit the manga art style better the art style change was a bit jarring but i’ve come to love it since the start of s4. Also i thought the colors were brighter in s4 and more vivid. That being said, 4tune butchered the episodes that were outsourced and i really hope they fix that in the dvd version. but then again there was the pandemic and everything that was happening so i will continue to support the series in hopes that they fix the animation for the next seasons cuz these next arcs are crazy.
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yeah i kind of dont want to continue watching it bc the art style is throwing me off
Mar 24, 2021 11:58 AM
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While the animation was as good as I hoped it would be, my biggest gripe is the directing and pacing. For some reason, this season, I found it a lot harder to take the "epic" moments seriously mainly because they take like half an episode to set up to the point where you can see all of them coming. (Although the final rally was dope). But most of all, the pacing. In season 3 we got 10 episodes for a 5 set game, and now there are 12 episodes for 3 sets. There were so many episodes that just didn't focus on the game like character flashbacks or cutting to nekoma's game. I didn't mind seeing nekoma's game as they have to set up the next match, but I think that there were too many characters that got flashbacks on inarizaki's side. Most of the backstories were kinda boring, but my issue was that there were so many. This was still a good season, but it really is a step down from the other ones
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Lol seems like everyone forgot that it was covid that halted the production.
Like why are you guys disappointed for a delay?If there was no delay the quality would've been much worse.
It’s not all covid’s fault, other series have felt the impact and the quality hasn’t dropped ( kaguya sama, SAO, Fire force, jujutsu...) and some of them aren’t even as mainstream/big sellers like Haikyuu

It's one of the most dumbest things I've ever seen.These anime didn't get affected cuz their production was already complete and was in the post production phase.This literally explains it because none of the anime you mentioned have experienced a delay.
Admit it Haikyuu was one of the victims that got affected by covid.
Also this is a common knowledge-Different animators different talent.
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I think the animation is fine, its quite different from the first season, i do agree, but production I.G didn't sacrifice the animation part, which is great, i meant i have watch daiya no ace act 2, its...its slide show with voice. Maybe that's why I don't mind the difference at all.
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