| Whenever I look up an anime which has a main genre of harem and ecchi it doesnt really get lot of positive scores . There is no ecchi or harem anime ( which most people watch for the fanservice ) in the top 100 . What do you think of that ? Is it that harem or ecchi are just trashy compared to other genre ? I mean if you had a good time ( jacking off to it ) then why not give a good score ? |
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| People (like me) jack off to hentai loli's. Bonus points if it also has the rape tag. |
| The common theme is that most people hate ecchi, even though it is fine and there are good shows |
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| There are a few shows in the top 100 that have decent ecchi, most noticeably the Monogatari series, though I think a good portion of us think with our brains rather than our dicks when analysing a show. The Ecchi genre isn't viewed upon the same as other genres. |
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| bcs it lack emotional or meaningful impact just trashy brainless entertainment which is not really a bad thing, but yeah |
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| For me, it's more like "huh, it's almost like trying to base a full anime series around nothing but sex appeal doesn't make for a very entertaining show. Who'd have guessed?" For me, the few good shows with the ecchi tag are about something other than sex appeal or framing that sex appeal in a unique way. That's why Keijo's my favourite ecchi because you're supposed to laugh at it more than you're supposed to wank to it. |
| The people who don't like it outnumber the people who do like it, therefore the rating will never be very high |
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| are you implying that it matters whether or not the ranking of a show is high? lol |
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TopCute said: I'd say the popularity is a better indicator when it comes to ecchi. If someone has ecchi in their list they like it regardless of the score, the more ecchi they have the more they like it. Some people are just not honest. You are speaking facts, my friend!! |
| Ecchi anime is as good as any other genre here, it's just there a lot of prudes who add ecchi to their list that don't actually watch it just to give it a one vote. They even do it to some of the episode polls, just look at Peter Grill. |
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| its one of these genres that's downvoted even by its fans eheh unlike shounenfriends who give 10 to everything |
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| just because these genres have more tsunderes than real fans hmph lol |
| A lot of reasons. The first and most important is that it's just not for everyone, and no small score of people find the concept of it to just be weird. Is it weird because it falls outside of what a lot of people deem acceptable? Probably. Sex-based entertainment has never had a lot of legitimacy in the eyes of broader society. Just like porn isn't an exception, just like why advertisers pull out like mad at the slightest hint of something sexual, just like why people get so uppity about stuff like OnlyFans, just like why perfectly legal sex workers have trouble just establishing basic shit like bank accounts - ecchi is no exception. Another issue is that these series tend to have lower production values because they're often a relatively niche product and don't tend to see the same huge returns in sales like other kinds of series - and production values, or at least pretty filters, is probably the most important thing for a series to have a high score. Anybody could see Kimetsu no Yaiba's DB entry before it even aired and could assume it would've been a very high-budget series with great production values that was very successful. And wow, look, they were proven right. It was always a safe assumption. Is ecchi also a safe assumption like that? No. Are budgets and advertisement usually based around safe assumptions regarding how many people the series will be able to reach and therefore the type of return it'll be able to generate? Yes. That is not an anime industry thing. That is a marketing thing. Would services like CR advertise ecchi more prominently if they had the same kind of potential for return? Yes, because CR is one of the most brazenly corporate entities I've ever seen and if you think their moral posturing bullshit extends any further than the bottom line, then I'm sorry that you ended up this way. If you look at some of the high scored ecchi like TLR:D or some of DxD's seasons, the common thread is that they have really good production values compared to other ecchi - and in terms of content, TLR and DxD are fundamental opposites. Most aren't that fortunate and don't see big returns if you've ever looked at an Oricon sales chart, and that seems to be reflected in their budget. Good production values seems to be a necessity for breaking an 8 or so on this site, albeit that's far from the only reason why they have trouble breaking an 8 - it's just another part of the reason why they tend to be so low. A lot of meh-budget shows have trouble even breaking a 7.2 or a 7.3, even if they're totally void of fanservice. Furthermore, these series are rarely very emotionally impactful or thought-provoking. People will view them as lesser than series that are just as a natural byproduct of how they're responding - even if they actually enjoy ecchi anime and watch a lot of it. It didn't make them cry like this 10/10 did. It didn't resonate in the same way. It was just some good, goofy, sexy fun, not something that reached inside of them and spoke with them on that level. Personally, I prefer them not to be because of how mentally and emotionally draining my job can be - putting people into the clay isn't a line of work that'll leave you seeking tragedy to vicariously live through or wanting to think about the complexities of life much - so I am more likely to give an ecchi or a comedy a 10/10 than I am a dialogue heavy thematic bit or something that tries to communicate something greater, which has a higher chance of putting me off. I am in the minority. I think I am in the minority even in my own fandom. Lastly, the anime fandom is primarily late teenagers. Think late high school/early uni years. Always has been. It was this way 5 years ago, it was this way 10 years ago, it's this way now. This is the time in most people's lives where they want to seem the most sophisticated and complex and so they'll gravitate towards things they perceive as being sophisticated and complex. Series that fit the most common ethos for the age bracket that the majority of the anime fandom will fall under. Now, what's almost never sophisticated and complex? Ecchi. That creates an aversion to it. It runs counter to that ethos. A lot of late teenagers that are just starting to actually be out on their ass - mostly fresh out on their own in an academic environment, no less, which it should go without saying the role one's current environment plays in this sort of thing - and are responding to the current life circumstances they're finding themselves in by seeking out the mature and the complex with a much greater emphasis than those who are younger and don't see themselves as adults yet, or those who are older and are secure with their identity as a functioning adult because they're like me and have an annual salary and a job license they have to renew every couple of years so they can keep working in order to keep paying their bills because life is fucking shit. They're seeking to actually become grown, mature adults. They don't want to be kids anymore. This goofy, not-very-thematic, super sexualized stuff is something they're associating less with their image of a mature, sophisticated adult and more with their experiences as hormonal teenagers. Wanting to grow is perfectly healthy and normal, even if I have a lot of misgivings with this image a lot of them try to construct around why people consume ecchi. It's just a response to their current lot in life. Responding to my current lot in life is the same reason I watch ecchi and why a lot of people cater their interests and tastes around whatever they're into. This is no exception. I know people bring up moral reasons a lot, but I think moral reasons are probably the least relevant problem when it comes to why ecchi scores tend to be lower. That's more a discourse problem with a vocal minority. If you ever pay attention to what these people say, it's usually rooted in a very basic or superficial generalization of the content to express their issue instead of something that's more pertinent. This is because they don't tend to fucking watch these shows in the first place very often and therefore lack the necessary experience to construct an argument around something more relevant. Did the majority of people creating the backlash against High Guardian Spice actually end up watching High Guardian Spice? I highly, highly doubt it. It's not that different. That said, scores don't matter much in the first place. It's a reflection of the sample size's response to them. I'll sit here and argue that Yosuga no Sora is a perfect 10 even if it has a 6.32 mean score. Anybody who would try to appeal to its mean score as the basis for a counterargument as opposed to trying to interpret and breakdown the content within to try to argue why it isn't a perfect 10 isn't going to be seen as saying anything worth a shit by most, and there's a reason for that. |
ManabanSep 19, 2020 9:12 PM
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| Good points as always Manaban but Manaban said: A lot of reasons. The first and most important is that it's just not for everyone, and no small score of people find the concept of it to just be weird. Is it weird because it falls outside of what a lot of people deem acceptable? Probably. Sex-based entertainment has never had a lot of legitimacy in the eyes of broader society. I know people bring up moral reasons a lot, but I think moral reasons are probably the least relevant problem when it comes to why ecchi scores tend to be lower. Don't these 2 have relations with each other? I mean just look at the term "guilty pleasure" and every time it mentioned somewhere it's about an ecchi series. They think the pleasure is "guilty" because it's (probably) "morally" wrong to enjoy them... shingojira-chan said: Do people really jack off to non-H series? Also by your standard many hentai should have 10/10 rating because you can easily jack off to themI mean if you had a good time ( jacking off to it ) then why not give a good score ? Manaban said: K,now I'm convinced.Basically, I wanted to pre-emptively try to make it clear that I do not think SJWs or prudes or whoever have anything to do with ecchi's mean scores on the site. |
mhkrSep 19, 2020 10:31 AM
mhkr said: Good points as always Manaban but Manaban said: A lot of reasons. The first and most important is that it's just not for everyone, and no small score of people find the concept of it to just be weird. Is it weird because it falls outside of what a lot of people deem acceptable? Probably. Sex-based entertainment has never had a lot of legitimacy in the eyes of broader society. I know people bring up moral reasons a lot, but I think moral reasons are probably the least relevant problem when it comes to why ecchi scores tend to be lower. Don't these 2 have relations with each other? I mean just look at the term "guilty pleasure" and every time it mentioned somewhere it's about an ecchi series. They think the pleasure is "guilty" because it's (probably) "morally" wrong to enjoy them... No, it's not. The first paragraph is rooted at a broader social fear of sexual content, and the second is focused on people who are outright against it in a more ideological way. I'm downplaying the effect the latter has on it while playing up the former, since I think the former is more relevant to this issue than the latter could ever hope to be. Basically, I wanted to pre-emptively try to make it clear that I do not think SJWs or prudes or whoever have anything to do with ecchi's mean scores on the site. Not because it'd normally even be worth bringing up unsolicited like this, but I'm wary of some asshat running in here and trying to hijack it to make it about that to try and redirect vitriol onto their social/political enemies. They try to cripple us with that kind of fear for their own ends sometimes, I feel like. I was trying to be less on the nose about it so I wouldn't have to explicitly bring that element into the conversation like this and could still try to hammer that down, but oh well. |
ManabanSep 19, 2020 10:26 AM
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| @Manaban Interesting post... Especially when you mentioned how people in their late teens and early 20s are often people who want to be seen as sophisticated. I haven't seen anyone else say that but I do agree that there's a lot of people in that age group who start really disliking all the crude talk/jokes that people commonly make in high school. I quite honestly tend to glorify and fondly remember the experience of being a hormonal teenager though. Its a very pure and idealistic time of one's life. |
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| Wait, people actually hate ecchi? I thought that was a joke |
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| I don't see anything wrong with watching ecchi. People can choose not to watch it just like how they choose not to watch yaoi... |
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| OP's first forum post and it reads like a complete bait, but what the hell, there's a couple things I want to say. Obviously anti-ecchi bias etc which other people will have probably gone over. Let's address these two points specifically though: 1. "Most people watch them for the fan service" Simply not true. Most people watch them for same reason they watch any other show - the story. Sure, a horror show people want and expect horror. An action show people want and expect fights. And an ecchi show people want and expect ecchi. But phrasing it like OP did makes it seems like they are "just" watching for the ecchi, which first of all isn't a bad thing or in any way worth less as a reason for watching something. But also if someone were literally only watching for the ecchi then they'd watch hentai or straight up porn. There are tons of shows with the ecchi tag which just happen to have an erotic aesthetic. There's this perception that shows which have such an aesthetic are watched "only" for the erotica and that it somehow cheapens the other elements such as characters and story but this is ridiculously narrow-minded. 2. "If you had a good time (jacking off)" I think the vast majority of people watching shows with ecch in them aren't jacking off to them. That should be obvious. Even if they people do, which of course they do sometimes, it's the implication in the OP's phrasing that I want to address. Once again the implication is that erotica in anime is only there to be jacked off to and a show with erotica might as well not have a story/characters etc. Complete nonsense. Once again, some shows simply go for an erotic aesthetic. Some shows don't even have a sexy aesthetic all the time, but due to narrow-mindedness get labelled with an ecchi tag because a couple of times they choose to show sexual situations which are already a part of the story but other shows wouldn't have the balls to show. There are a ton of great shows with a very sexy aesthetic and and really engaging, well-crafted story / characters. Unfortunately a lot of people can't take sexuality in anime seriously, either because they're still young or they never grew out of the "LOL BOOBS" mentality. If it wasn't for those people the Monogatari Series would take up a bug chunk of the top 20. Lastly, for what little good it will do, I implore people to stop using the term "fan service". It reinforces and perpetuates the narrow-minded attitudes to sex in art which are already an ever-present problem. Use "ecchi", "erotica", "sexuality". Anything but "fan service". |
YossaRedMageSep 19, 2020 10:49 PM
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shingojira-chan said: Whenever I look up an anime which has a main genre of harem and ecchi it doesnt really get lot of positive scores . There is no ecchi or harem anime ( which most people watch for the fanservice ) in the top 100 . What do you think of that ? Is it that harem or ecchi are just trashy compared to other genre ? I mean if you had a good time ( jacking off to it ) then why not give a good score ? In large most ecchi anime fail at being erotica. There of course idiots who go into a series like that and get mad it has an abundance of sexual content but so much that falls under the ecchi tag is just more a tease with a bad plot and characters. The comedy for some aren't really funny and some of the sexual situations just involve gags. For me the biggest turn on is romantic passionate characters together. Seeing a guy accidentally grope a girl does nothing for me even with good boob physics lol. In large to me I just ask why not just go read and watch a hentai if I really want to jack off? You got some occasional ones that are good but they usually have something else going for them. Food Wars is an actually knowledgeable anime about food and has a great cast of characters plus some classic ploys that people enjoy from sports anime. Kill La Kill has the insane action etc. There are some that get good like Reviewers even though all it has is sex appeal but that was also partially because they went further with it and made the sexual content a bigger role than some ecchi series. So far into it episode 3 was pretty close to being just straight a hentai episode. Reviewers is a rare exception for me though in large if I like an ecchi anime it usually is because there is something else outside of the NSFW content that drew me to it. If I want smut in anime/manga hentai specifically H-manga is always the best medium. More variety in terms of character designs/archetypes or different fetishes/vanilla content. Plus unlike some ecchi anime I have seen there are some actually decent stories or romances within some hentai. I see it way more often than with ecchi. I can't say for everyone why they dislike it but in large I think those are factors. You also got the fact most ecchi anime tend to be for niche audiences anyway so scores are going to be impactful. The only ecchi anime that had a hype beast fanbase that pumped up it's score was Reviewers and that partially was due to trolling/brigading. They usually have a small amount of people actually watching or scoring them and like most small fandom shows the ratings aren't that high. No hype train. |
BilboBaggins365Sep 19, 2020 11:29 PM
Turpe said: People (like me) jack off to hentai loli's. Bonus points if it also has the rape tag. Hehehe, that's one hell of a quote LMAO. |
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| Who would fap to an ecchi when you have a lot of hentai to watch. |
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| There are a few ecchis that I find to be for the most part good, but I would say a big draw for some people is because of the comedy behind the forced sexual plot. It's so bad and blatantly trying to get more compromising shots and scenarios that the storyline becomes so ridiculous its hard not to find enjoyment in a meta way. I also personally enjoy explaining the plots to people who have never seen ecchis just to see their baffled expressions ha |
| You assume I watch ecchi series to spank my bad monkey, but in reality I'm just easily distracted by big bouncy things...Hell, they don't even have to be that big...I'm just a simple man who enjoys the simple things.. I'm not so simple that I'll give something a high rating just for that though... |
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