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Jun 17, 2020 5:11 AM
#1
Do you think they are necessary? I see some shows popping out again like InuYasha and Shaman King, and I can't help but think of them as cashing in on nostalgia now that the viewer base is older... Wouldn't they be too aged for a modern audience that is not familiar with them to get into cause I think that would be the case? What is your opinion on the matter? |
Jun 17, 2020 5:21 AM
#2
Remakes of older things is a natural part of life. The fact that the originals are aged is part of the financial appeal of remaking them. If you're a company and you have ownership over various intellectual property and some of them are so old that they're not very approachable, but writing wise they would be just as popular today as they were back then, then the only logical thing to do would be to remake them. You can also obviously get a second wave of money from whatever fans of the original are still around, and those people generally have more disposable income now than they did back then, so bringing it back to their attention is beneficial. I think it's a good thing. Gegege has been getting a remake every decade since the 70s and they've done fairly well. Space Battleship Yamato and Dororo have remakes that are mostly popular among people who had never seen the original. |
Jun 17, 2020 5:23 AM
#3
Of course they are necessary. Especially those anime who were incomplete and had very old animations and I will surely watch my favorite ones even if it's a cashgrab on nostalgia. One of them is Konjiki no gashbell which was my favorite childhood anime but incomplete and it still don't have any chances of getting a sequel. |
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Jun 17, 2020 5:24 AM
#4
zombie_pegasus said: Remakes of older things is a natural part of life. The fact that the originals are aged is part of the financial appeal of remaking them. If you're a company and you have ownership over various intellectual property and some of them are so old that they're not very approachable, but writing wise they would be just as popular today as they were back then, then the only logical thing to do would be to remake them. You can also obviously get a second wave of money from whatever fans of the original are still around, and those people generally have more disposable income now than they did back then, so bringing it back to their attention is beneficial. I think it's a good thing. Gegege has been getting a remake every decade since the 70s and they've done fairly well. Space Battleship Yamato and Dororo have remakes that are mostly popular among people who had never seen the original. I like your response and I understand the situation better now, makes sense. Thanks. |
Jun 17, 2020 5:24 AM
#5
Wonder what they'd do with a Speed Racer remake. |
Jun 17, 2020 7:01 AM
#6
Jun 17, 2020 7:50 AM
#7
Remakes are welcome, especially when older version didn't follow original source like Shaman King or Fullmetal Alchemist. But I don't like unnecessary sequel like Inuyasha or Boruto or Dragon Ball Super. |
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Jun 17, 2020 8:00 AM
#8
Well why not, as long as: *remake isn't real disappointment (quality isn't bad compare to old one) *level of animation isn't worse than older one *it has also some plot progression not only same story (I mean when old version didn't finish whole story from original source but remake finished or has bigger addition to the story). If any of these points aren't fulfilled then its pointless to do it. |
Jun 17, 2020 3:07 PM
#9
The question isn't if they are pointless or not since it would just mean the effort poured to it is taken for granted. In lies the point of what they did with the remake, is it really just a rehash of what was given, then I'd agree, that would be pointless since all they did was put what was into what is rather making it better to a fortuitous happenstance. A remake shouldn't just "re" and "make", it should improve from the original material, that's a given. So, what I want in a remake is as easy as what I feel about stealing art. It's okay as long as it is better or at the very least has their own presence separate from the original. |
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Jun 17, 2020 3:13 PM
#10
I would much more prefer a continuation, that way we both get a new story and also the old series will inevitably get some light and be revisited or watched for the first time by the new fans. It baffles me why they make such choices when they could be putting out epic brand new stories or even adaptations from related manga that would be awesome but didn't get light. |
Jun 17, 2020 3:14 PM
#11
I don't believe in pointlessness, because there is always a motive (a point) behind going through with an action. It reaches both older and newer anime audiences who want to view a new version of an older product. Personally, if Higurashi 2020 is a faithful and lengthy adaptation of the VN there is no way in hell that I'm going to watch the original Higurashi ever again. Digimon bored the shit out of me when I was a kid. I heard the new anime kicks right off with no hesitation. The thing about remaking childhood anime is that people would rather cling to what they had dearly as a child than the newer one and view it lowly. This goes for Digimon and Sailor Moon. Personally, as someone who never watched the original Sailor Moon, I'm not assed to sit through 100 episodes when I can watch 39 that are apparently more faithful to the manga, which is apparently a different experience. Hate me if you want but I'd like to see the original work then the altered work. So basically they'll reach to newer audiences more depending on how its done. |
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Jun 17, 2020 3:20 PM
#12
If it's better than the original I'm all for it, in the case of shaman king I have heard that they will adapt the entire manga |
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Jun 17, 2020 3:20 PM
#13
Disney's doing doing it, so why can't anime? In all seriousness though, I welcome this. A lot of these series never got a proper ending, and if anything it makes me hopeful that other shows get the same treatment. Also, I think this is a great way to potentially increase and revive the fanbase of these older and practically completely forgotten series. For better or for worse... Hell, I can say with 100% certainty that if much older series like Dororo and Ushio to Tora hadn't gotten some kind of remake, I would have never given them a chance. |
Jun 17, 2020 3:40 PM
#14
Mysterious Cities of Gold had a sequel after 30 years but comparisons with the original and the use of cgi animation were inevitable. By adults of course. Though kids would have enjoyed it as much as the kids of the 80s. Series is one of the best, on par with Avatar and Korra. |
Jun 17, 2020 8:12 PM
#15
In the cases of Inuyasha and Shaman King, I do think their reboots are a bit unwarranted. I've actually watched both series pretty recently and I've realized that the plots of both shows don't compare to the material coming out today (they both were far below my expectations). It's not because the shows have horrible writing per se, but because the industry as a whole has evolved to become 'more entertaining' over the decades. I wouldn't call remakes pointless. I just think that remaking the right shows is super important if a studio wants to compete with all the new material coming out nowadays. For example, in my opinion Furuba has a story that is comparable to the newer shoujo and slice of life shows, which may be exactly why it has been so successful. Shaman King, on the other hand, will probably have a hard time competing with the newer shounens. However, since Inuyasha's situation is not really that of a remake, but of a continuation, it is possible that it could be a pretty big hit. |
Jun 17, 2020 8:28 PM
#16
Inuyasha's isn't a remake though - It's a sequel series as defined by the fact that it picks up at some point in time after the previous series concluded (be that five minutes or 1,000 years after). I couldn't be more excited for it and am actually more enthused with the prospect than over anything else scheduled to air this year or next and more for any individual series than since I first watched Inuyasha in 2016. Whereas if it actually were a remake I wouldn't even watch it. There is something I've come to realize about the actual remakes however. I have absolutely zero interest in seeing a remake of a show or film for which I've already seen and am perfectly happy with or even cherish the original. And I've always been like that, including for live stuff for years before getting into anime. Yet I recognize that's a position on the extreme end of the spectrum and remakes obviously have some mass appeal. But I now believe the primary goal of these remakes is not to recapture its original audience and entice older generations. Sometimes there is a capitalizing upon nostalgia factor, but I sense it's relatively negligible in most cases. The true aim is to sell the regurgitation of a tried and tested successful formula which has already been put to market once (or in some cases, multiple times) and proven its mettle in the marketplace to an entirely new audience. Most of the youngest target age range audience members watching a remake 10 - 15 years after its first iteration may not even know of its first iteration or be hearing it only for the first time upon announcement of the remake. People in general seem to have a huge blindspot in many cases toward anything outside of their demographic range. So those people will eat it up like it's a new product for all the same reasons that audiences already did so the first time around. Many people have institutional memory and attention span of a goldfish and in every new generation it's like the majority gets isekai'd into an amnesiac realm. |
Jun 17, 2020 8:38 PM
#17
Hollywoord reboots and remakes if they are not synonymous at all are just profiting from old audience as well as new consumers of them anyway it was profitable before so maybe new consumers like young people unfamiliar with them will like it too |
Jun 18, 2020 4:27 AM
#18
ChartTopper60 said: Personally, as someone who never watched the original Sailor Moon, I'm not assed to sit through 100 episodes when I can watch 39 that are apparently more faithful to the manga, which is apparently a different experience. Hate me if you want but I'd like to see the original work then the altered work. Well, your loss. ... As for me, I love all kinds of revivals, or remakes, but they only are worthy to me AFTER I see previous versions. In most cases I prefer to choose an author, and then watch their works in order of release. |
Jun 18, 2020 4:30 AM
#19
Psajdak said: ChartTopper60 said: Personally, as someone who never watched the original Sailor Moon, I'm not assed to sit through 100 episodes when I can watch 39 that are apparently more faithful to the manga, which is apparently a different experience. Hate me if you want but I'd like to see the original work then the altered work. Well, your loss. ... As for me, I love all kinds of revivals, or remakes, but they only are worthy to me AFTER I see previous versions. In most cases I prefer to choose an author, and then watch their works in order of release. Is it really though, if I'm watching Crystal then the original Toei series? What am I really losing? I'd really like to hear this from somebody who has read the manga, being convinced to watch the original series from somebody who's nostalgic for the earlier series just won't do it for me. I don't really feel like I'll be losing much at all, and I'd really like to be convinced to watch the original series firstmost. |
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Jun 18, 2020 4:37 AM
#20
I'm open to remakes, then anime won't improve over time and with a remake could sink into obscurity. Sometimes its necessary to put it in the public eye again, or to update it with modern technology to properly realise it. |
Jun 18, 2020 4:45 AM
#21
Yeah they're necessary, it's just what happens when things get old. You need to remake it and bring it to a new audience. For example, if HxH 1999 was the only HxH anime I guarantee a lot of people wouldn't give it the time of day. The animation looks old, it has filler, changes things from the manga, and was never fully adapted. There's also bad ways of remaking an anime, such as Berserk 2016. It all depends on the vision of whoever is directing it, if they want to do their own thing and experiment, or be faithful to the source material and update it in the best way they can. The former is why a lot of Hollywood remakes suck, they change so much and the films lose their charm in the process. Also, if something is remade poorly, newcomers are a lot more likely to check out the original. Bad publicity is also good publicity in this instance too. It would be nice to find out how many people watched the 1997 Berserk or read the manga after that horrible CGI clusterfuck of the 2016 adaptation. |
Jun 18, 2020 4:48 AM
#22
Honestly it's a real nice thing, it brings back memories or might make the newer generation interested in it, of course if the remake is done well! |
Jun 18, 2020 5:40 AM
#23
ChartTopper60 said: By your loss I just meant that 90s Sailor Moon anime is so popular, and iconic for a reason, and it deserves to at least be given a try.Is it really though, if I'm watching Crystal then the original Toei series? What am I really losing? I'd really like to hear this from somebody who has read the manga, being convinced to watch the original series from somebody who's nostalgic for the earlier series just won't do it for me. I don't really feel like I'll be losing much at all, and I'd really like to be convinced to watch the original series firstmost. Most people agree that it is so beloved BECAUSE it didn't followed source material closely, but was more its own thing; it is filled with anime only content, bit that only helped develop characters more, not to mention wonderful OST, and a lot of now legendary 90s seiyu. I myself only read that one Sailor V manga, and while I can appreciate original work, ot was still boring for me. Crystal probably has its good sides, but from what I read, most people complain that its main problem is that it follows manga 1:1, which just doesn't translates as well into animated format. That all being said, I'm not actually trying to convince you to watch anything; 90s SM is legendary, but it's not like it is as necessary as water, or oxygen. |
Jun 18, 2020 6:40 AM
#24
Audience gets a full adaptation or a reboot with better animation quality. Producers get the money. Win-win. |
Jun 18, 2020 6:44 AM
#25
If it's pointless,then FMA Brotherhood and HxH 2011 are pointless too. Shaman King is necessary because the original anime did not follow the manga. Other anime like Claymore deserve remake too. Inuyasha is not a remake. |
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Jun 18, 2020 1:50 PM
#26
Psajdak said: ChartTopper60 said: By your loss I just meant that 90s Sailor Moon anime is so popular, and iconic for a reason, and it deserves to at least be given a try.Is it really though, if I'm watching Crystal then the original Toei series? What am I really losing? I'd really like to hear this from somebody who has read the manga, being convinced to watch the original series from somebody who's nostalgic for the earlier series just won't do it for me. I don't really feel like I'll be losing much at all, and I'd really like to be convinced to watch the original series firstmost. Most people agree that it is so beloved BECAUSE it didn't followed source material closely, but was more its own thing; it is filled with anime only content, bit that only helped develop characters more, not to mention wonderful OST, and a lot of now legendary 90s seiyu. I myself only read that one Sailor V manga, and while I can appreciate original work, ot was still boring for me. Crystal probably has its good sides, but from what I read, most people complain that its main problem is that it follows manga 1:1, which just doesn't translates as well into animated format. That all being said, I'm not actually trying to convince you to watch anything; 90s SM is legendary, but it's not like it is as necessary as water, or oxygen. Haha, I'm actually wanting to be convinced to watch the 90s Sailor Moon. I mean, I definitely am going to watch it, but for sure after the 2010s version. |
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Jun 18, 2020 2:06 PM
#27
I have seen a lot of these remakes. Some have motivated me to go back and watch the original adaptations. So even if its indeed cashing on nostalgia, I don't mind and am grateful. Since these series are getting the star treatment. As far as age is considered, I think as long as its with a new coat of paint (quality visuals). A fresh spin on the source material (either more loyal, or the opposite) its very welcome and I appreciate it. Thank you for: Young Black jack Ushio to Tora Dororo Boogiepop Kino no Tabi Fruits Basket Fullmetal Panic Cardcaptor Sakura Saiyuki And all those I missed, plus those that have yet to air in the future. |
Jun 18, 2020 2:29 PM
#28
I don't care if companies wanna milk a series. I don't care that much about the issue of them being out of ideas. However, They can release BluRay versions with a resolution of 1080p like Cowboy Bebop. Some old anime are irreplaceable. I mean a studio animation can remake an old anime, but when it comes to Japanese/English DUB, would the voice-acting, the performance be that same level or better? It's better not to be that bad. If I want a remake: 1. I want good animation. 2. For Fuck Sake! I want them to adapt the manga at 100%. No cut bullshit. 3. I want good voice-acting, but I wouldn't need to worry about that, would I? A project is a project. Whether it's anime or video game Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes (A Remake of MGS1) was good in everything except voice acting. Resident Evil Remake, well, one would say it surpassed the original by leaps and bounds. I haven't watched Captain Tsubasa (2018) and Grendizer (2015). I wonder. |
Jun 18, 2020 4:54 PM
#29
I think that's necessary some old anime have stopped before real ending or have a very different ending from manga/LN adaptation |
Jun 18, 2020 5:11 PM
#30
ChartTopper60 said: 2010s version brought back Kotono Mitsuishi (you may know her as Hancock from One Piece) due to how iconic she is Usagi Tsukino/Sailor Moon, even though all the other main characters got new voices.Haha, I'm actually wanting to be convinced to watch the 90s Sailor Moon. I mean, I definitely am going to watch it, but for sure after the 2010s version. Watch however you wish, although you will probably find it weird to hear Usagi sound so young all of a sudden when/if you get into 90s SM. |
Jun 18, 2020 10:01 PM
#31
Well, it might be good for some great series that had a poor and/or filler adaptation back then and fans want to see the manga fully adaptated. It´s nice to see Sailor Moon back, even though it was a mess at first. Good thing they fixed things in 3rd season. Other anime like Ushio to Tora and Jojo only had OVAs, so it´s awesome to see the story actually being adaptated as it should always have been. I have some faint hope for 3x3 Eyes... |
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Jun 19, 2020 12:15 AM
#32
Well, they’re a good way to expose the franchise to a younger audience; so as long as the people behind them know what they’re doing and at least have some semblance of passion for the project, then not really. |
Jun 19, 2020 12:54 AM
#33
I'm not saying it's necessary, but it's definitely good to experience something you care greatly about it having technical improvements... |
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