| There has to be a MC with Harem, and some Ecchi shite here and there. If that's not the case the weebs won't recognize it as Isekai. It's the mixture of "other world" and standard "overpowered MC wish-fulfilment" that made that genre popular, so it only is recognized if it has all this. |
MySweetLuciferMar 1, 2020 2:35 AM
| It is one of the reasons why isekai still has not been recognized as a genre by mal, by the very loose defitnion almost 60-70% of all anime here would fit that tag, i believe a set of parameters are still need to define the genre and not just by one meaning. |
leah0201 said: No one says Tanya the Evil is not an isekai....? It's even one of the shows included in Isekai Quartet. Going from Japan to England is not the same as travelling to another world. These are considered isekai, it's just that they're much older than most other isekai anime. I still dont understand why Inuyasha is considered an isekai when it was established that they just time travelled in past japan where the supernatural was more prominent, if it is considerd an isekai than you might as well say all time travel shows are isekai too, |
| As much as I would love you to be right, the term "isekai" is so pointlessly tied up in its own super-specific definition that nothing outside of a very specific premise can be called isekai, and I'm not gonna argue which shows are isekai and which aren't because I'd rather scoop out my own brains with a trowel than have that argument. |
| Its obvious but SAO is not isekai, Alicization to the extent is isekai. |
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| Shuumatsu Nani Shitemasu ka? Isogashii Desu ka? Sukutte Moratte Ii Desu ka? I still don't understand how this isnt really isekai. I mean it doesnt even take place on earth |
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| First of all, Youjo Senki is definitively and 100% an isekai. It's just that the world where the MC ends looks like ours during WWI (but there are freaking sorcerers) Death Parade and Haibane Renmei are both setting in the afterlife, so yeah maybe they could be considered as isekai Inuyasha often tends to be confusing, but it's actually stated in the anime that the MC time travelled, so it's not an isekai (many people think it is a different world because there are many yokai where (or I should say...when) the MC ends up, while there are little to no yokai from where/when she came from) Mahoutsukai no Yome isn't an isekai either, the MC just travelled (however she sometimes went to other worlds) SAO isn't stricly an isekai either since the first two seasons are setting in a video game, despite the characters being trapped in it in the first season. However Alicization is 100% an isekai imo If I'm correct, the "exact" isekai definition is when the MC is transported into another world (weither they are transported, summoned, reincarnated, etc...) However it doesn't state if the MC has to remain in this world forever If we follow that logic, some anime like Bleach can be considered isekai since its characters often visit other worlds like the Soul Society and the Hueco Mundo |
Apollo18 said: Death Parade isn't an isekai as its just part of the natural order of the life cycle within that universe that isn't being intervened with outside universe factors like how Kazuma being transported into another world/universe/dimension instead of having a natural passing of life in his universe based on its rules Death Parade? Apollo18 said: Inuyasha is time travel not transportation into another worldInuyasha Apollo18 said: SAO isn't an isekai no matter how many times you hear people being lazy and just saying whatever they want to say SAO is the fault of creating this trend that people wont stop complaining about non stopso what makes 'SAO' Damuzen said: Nah I wouldn't consider the after life or Hueco Mundo to be classified as isekai type locations for the Universe of Bleach. They're all connected just like the Nine Realms of Yggdrasil are connected and apart of each other Death Parade and Haibane Renmei are both setting in the afterlife, so yeah maybe they could be considered as isekai If I'm correct, the "exact" isekai definition is when the MC is transported into another world (weither they are transported, summoned, reincarnated, etc...) However it doesn't state if the MC has to remain in this world forever If we follow that logic, some anime like Bleach can be considered isekai since its characters often visit other worlds like the Soul Society and the Hueco Mundo  |
DeknijffMar 1, 2020 4:27 AM
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Apollo18 said: Technically "isekai" is "another world", right? So ANY anime where MCs move from one world/reality to a different one. Seems like theres lots of shows that technically qualify, but aren't considered "Isekai", such as.... -Is Abenobashi Mahou Shoutengai/Magical Shopping Mall Abenobashi an "isekai"? -Death Parade? -Now and Then, Here and There/Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku? -Haibane Renmei? -Mahoutsukai no Yome/The Ancient Magus Bride -Inuyasha -Youjo Senki/Tanya the Evil I never hear these get classed as 'Isekai' (or do they?), so what makes 'SAO' and 'That Time I... Slime' into 'Isekai', but not the re-incarnation in 'Tanya the Evil' or 'Haibane Renmei'? Death Parade isn't an Isekai because Isekai means rebirth, no one's exactly being reborn in Death Parade. There is rebirth in the sense that the souls get either destroyed or reborn, but it still doesn't count as this is the story before the rebirth and not when it actually happens. Now and Then, Here and There is actually an Isekai, one that does get brought up when someone wants to discuss how the older Isekai anime were a lot better. Inuyasha as well, people consider it an Isekai. Magus Bride isn't exactly an Isekai because despite being in a new place the main character isn't in a new world. She could go back to where normal living is if she wants. Harry Potter wasn't exactly reborn to be able to go to Hogwarts, same thing here. I have never heard anyone say that Tanya is not an Isekai, whenever people talk about modern Isekai and want to give examples of the good ones the examples are usually Konosuba, Overlord, and Tanya. I mean, Tanya is in Isekai Quartet. It really isn't something people are questioning. I never watched the first anime listed or Haibane Renmei (keep forgetting about it), so I can't share my two cents on them. So basically, you have to either die and be reborn into a new world, or just be teleported to a new world to be considered Isekai. |
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| Yeah man, alice in wonderland is my favorite isekai. |
| I mentioned this in the other isekai thread: I think people need to recognize that there are roughly two major ways the term "isekai" is used: * the mechanic, of being shoved into another world. generally not by choice. * the genre, which involves the aforementioned mechanic plus various features typical of the recent spate of isekai shows -- such as male lead from the real world, fantasy setting (in which male lead has some special ability), and a harem of interested female leads. The isekai mechanic (and other related world-changing mechanics) have been around since forever. The isekai genre is recent. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| "The Matrix" is my favorite isekai. |
| Matthew 7:6 |
| It's really not that difficult. Basically what @Deknijff said. There's a lot of ways to try and complicate the issue, but in the end VR, time travel or going to different parts of one world (like Hueco Mundo or the afterlife) are not isekai. If there is free passage between the other world and the original world, it's hardly isekai either since there needs to be a sense of being trapped in that other world, be it via reincarnation or by being spirited away some way or other. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Pullman said: IMO that's technical nitpicking which ignores the spirit of the idea of ending up in some completely different realm through some abnormal means. This is particularly true when we're talking about becoming trapped in a virtual world.It's really not that difficult. Basically what @Deknijff said. There's a lot of ways to try and complicate the issue, but in the end VR, time travel or going to different parts of one world (like Hueco Mundo or the afterlife) are not isekai. If there is free passage between the other world and the original world, it's hardly isekai either since there needs to be a sense of being trapped in that other world, be it via reincarnation or by being spirited away some way or other. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
GlennMagusHarvey said: Pullman said: IMO that's technical nitpicking which ignores the spirit of the idea of ending up in some completely different realm through some abnormal means. This is particularly true when we're talking about becoming trapped in a virtual world.It's really not that difficult. Basically what @Deknijff said. There's a lot of ways to try and complicate the issue, but in the end VR, time travel or going to different parts of one world (like Hueco Mundo or the afterlife) are not isekai. If there is free passage between the other world and the original world, it's hardly isekai either since there needs to be a sense of being trapped in that other world, be it via reincarnation or by being spirited away some way or other. I agree that what you're doing is technical nitpicking if that's what you're trying to say. As I said, you can try and make this complicated by squeezing in different kinds of 'sub-worlds' that exist within one world, within the same universe and try to argue that they should count because of some technicality while also clarifying which other types of sub-worlds don't count as isekai, or you can just go with the basic definition that it literally needs to be another world and not just a different part/sub-world of the original world. I don't see the point in going through mental gymnastics just to make the answer more vague and opaque but I can't prevent people from preferring that approach so feel free to think what you like. I'm not gonna argue about something as trite as this beyond this one post. Personally I just like simple and clean definitions that draw a clear line and don't need multiple paragraphs of arguing technicalities to explain why not-technically-other-worlds should count as well because in some specific ways they are functionally similar even tho they are metaphysically quite different. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| In angel beats, otanashi is technically being transported to that limbo world of a school in the afterlife, after rewatching it, I couldn't help but think it could qualify as an isekai |
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Pullman said: Definitions that draw clear lines can be useful in some contexts, such as deciding whether to include a work in a given database (contrast the endless arguments over the definition of anime with the arbitrary line drawn to include works from Korea/China but not RWBY for example). But with regards to the general idea of using them to describe storytelling devices, I think it makes more sense to see such features with fuzzy borders based on how similar something feels. Otherwise it just devolves into rules-lawyering with fictional lore, rather than focusing on the spirit of the story.Personally I just like simple and clean definitions that draw a clear line and don't need multiple paragraphs of arguing technicalities to explain why not-technically-other-worlds should count as well because in some specific ways they are functionally similar even tho they are metaphysically quite different. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| Tanya is literally in Isekai Quartet bruv |
What a beautiful Duwang |
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