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Dec 28, 2019 12:00 PM
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Finally someone who says it how it is. It feels really weird considering Bones absolutely floored me this year with MP100 S2 having some of the best animation I've seen in general for the medium yet they've clearly massively skimped out with BNHA S4.


Because mob psycho is the better shounen that is better written and more worthy of “sakuga”

This but unironically, but that's a conversation for a different thread.
Dec 28, 2019 12:05 PM
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I really hope that the slide show was for more money for the next episode's fight.

Bones can't leave us without an epic fight scene!!!
Dec 28, 2019 12:06 PM

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yo ma big boi lemillion not carried by his quirk but his own raw power.
i believe those slide show made because the fight at manga was not really clear anyway as always.
also there is more big fight than this so they can save some effort.

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Dec 28, 2019 12:21 PM

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Piromysl said:
This fight was awesome.
Also, Overhaul being transphobe "confirmed".
Just wait for shitstorm on Twitter.
he just got her gender wrong. It's not like he intentionally said it. Later on he'll correct himself.
Dec 28, 2019 12:31 PM

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Chisaki is very pissed off! Mirio did a great job trying to save Eri till the end ;-; I am hopping Mirio's quirk will not disappear and comes back after recover, but I'm worried...

Great episode! Although I didn't like the slideshots :/

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Dec 28, 2019 12:42 PM
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ttcchen said:
Piromysl said:
This fight was awesome.
Also, Overhaul being transphobe "confirmed".
Just wait for shitstorm on Twitter.
he just got her gender wrong. It's not like he intentionally said it. Later on he'll correct himself.


I don’t get it, since Magne is a guy he’s a “he”.
Dec 28, 2019 12:49 PM
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Mirio's moment at the core was still strong and emotional but that power point slideshow scenes in the fight was a extremely bad look for the show. Guess it would be a stretch to hope for them to fix that in the Blu-ray release but as it stands this episode was embarrassing for the series.
Dec 28, 2019 12:58 PM
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Emotions were definitely running high during this episode. The story and pacing were great, but again the animation has disappointed me. Very little movement, a lot of stills, and a slideshow at the end to top it all off. Every week I’ve left wanting more and I really hope this Deku fight is something to remember because so far there hasn’t been a lot of moments I’d come back to.
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Modernoir said:
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Those flashbacks are canon the slideshow is anime original. They added those scenes that Horikoshi didn’t bother to draw to please the fans and all were giving them for their effort is shit and hate

Lmao, people are actually saying shit like this? It's fucking studio BONES. If they were going to put this little effort into making it an actual fucking slideshow they seriously shouldn't have bothered.


So they should have just not shown any of the rest of the fight? If that’s your opinion it’s fine but personally I prefer getting to see the fight the manga skipped most of even in stills (which I feel fit the dramatic mood personally) over not seeing it at all
Dec 28, 2019 1:08 PM

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Lemillion, what a great hero. I have huge respect for him.

Overhaul is too damn strong and I'm looking forward to seeing how Deku can handle it.

Dec 28, 2019 1:08 PM

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WHO TF IS CUTTING ONIONS
Dec 28, 2019 1:09 PM
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DiabloMask said:
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Those flashbacks are canon the slideshow is anime original. They added those scenes that Horikoshi didn’t bother to draw to please the fans and all were giving them for their effort is shit and hate


The adaptation shouldn't be too faithful that it doesn't fix the problems from the source material, they should've known better than to waste the budget on flashbacks when most of them could've been cut, and the slideshow doesn't make up for anything.


Those flashbacks are incredibly important to mirios state of mind and everything he’s willing to give up to be a hero they absolutely should not have cut them. And I didn’t say it did I said the manga didn’t even give us the rest of the fight so the fact the anime put in the effort to wholesale design new scenes to show us the rest of the fight in any form should be appreciated
Dec 28, 2019 1:11 PM
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xkazutox said:
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Those flashbacks are canon the slideshow is anime original. They added those scenes that Horikoshi didn’t bother to draw to please the fans and all were giving them for their effort is shit and hate


Not everyone read the manga. This isn't about pleasing the fan. The selling point of anime is its animation. If it's not for that, why bother anime adaptation. Just stick with the manga.

Did you see Bone's previous works on fight scene? (Ex: Fullmetal Alchemist, Noragami, Mob Psycho, Bungou Stray Dogs, previous seasons of BHA)


The animation was good though. It wasn’t literally orgasmic but for everything but the very end it was good and again the manga doesn’t even show the rest of the fight meaning the anime team had to design and draw those still frames they used to show the rest of the fight themselves. We should appreciate they put in the effort to do that when they could have just skipped the end of the fight like the manga did
Dec 28, 2019 1:12 PM
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Nandoranimefan said:
I really hope that the slide show was for more money for the next episode's fight.

Bones can't leave us without an epic fight scene!!!


I mean Horikoshi didn’t even give us panels for the end of this fight in the manga so I’m happy with the slidrshow
Dec 28, 2019 1:13 PM

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God damn, what an episode. Regardless of how it could have been improved, this fight was still pretty emotional and heartbreaking. RIP Mirio's Quirk T_T
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Dec 28, 2019 1:14 PM
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Mirio's moment at the core was still strong and emotional but that power point slideshow scenes in the fight was a extremely bad look for the show. Guess it would be a stretch to hope for them to fix that in the Blu-ray release but as it stands this episode was embarrassing for the series.
how they were drawn well and we didn’t even get the rest of this fight in the manga the anime team designed those frames themselves so we’d get the see the rest of the fight. I like them myself and I feel they fit the dramatic mood they had going
Dec 28, 2019 1:15 PM

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That was a great episode. I cried a bit.





Dec 28, 2019 1:24 PM

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And people are about to find out why the Overhaul arc is a fan favorite.
Dec 28, 2019 1:26 PM

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I liked this episode for its meaning.
I didn't like this episode for its direction.

The facts that the movie is on track and other productions are getting ready for the next seasons do not interest me.

The point is that I think that the end of this episode wasn't as it could have been.

I have followed the manga since the end of 2nd season because it was a huge blast for me.
1st season put the stakes high and I was amazed how the direction was made to enhance the manga.

The 'Mirio fight without his quirk' part is a fraud in the manga too : the author decided to just address that he fought back without his quirk for 5 minutes and that he was already fighting for 10 minutes earlier. It is mentionned at the bottom of a page.
But it's ok for a manga because it is not a novel, we do not need so much emphasys while we can keep read the same page and go back to the previous one (We can do it too with the anime or the novel, don't get me wrong).
So when you're reading those 3 lines, you know it's cheap, but you can take your time to understand how massive of an achievement it is for someone without a quirk to face Chisaki for FIVE minutes and to be still alive at the end.

Honestly, I don't know how they they could have done it to be at least correct but I should have preferred a 15 seconds exposition speech narrated by Midoriya, saying how great was Mirio during this part, than 30 seconds of slides (Even though the part before was very tense and the music pretty nice).
Because, not gonna lie, I was totally underwhelmed when the panels started to pass without any real caption or else. And unfortunately, the last part with the young Mirio running out of the screen to say that he lost his dream of becoming the N°1 hero was not as impacting as it should have been.

This part aside, the one that was really worse directed in my opinion was the moment he got shot. This should have been the pinnacle of the tension. I think the anime should have shown all the flashbacks from his childhood and his hard work to master his quirk before he gets hit (like the manga). It would have been much better to show how he fought hard to be where he is right now and how powerful he is, and make him lose everything he fought so much for. We should have seen him in shock a few more seconds and finally see him stand again with a beautiful music. Like we already saw that during Midoriya's fights and of course the fight between All for One and All might. It would have address why Mirio should have been the previous successor of All Might.
It would have been great.

I know it seems I'm the kind of guy who's kneetpicking about everything in an adaptation, but it's a shame to miss the opportunities to render beautifully such a great character.
I really like when I'm watching or reading a story and I can say to myself that it couldn't be better. Or at least, nothing has to change because everything is great as it is, period.

So, it's too bad we didn't get a better adaptation but it's still a great season (with its flaws), and we should be asured that the series is not adapted like Black Clover.

I look forward to the next episode, I hope it will be awesome and that they've put the most effort on that especially part of the arc.
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Nobody5464 said:
DiabloMask said:


The adaptation shouldn't be too faithful that it doesn't fix the problems from the source material, they should've known better than to waste the budget on flashbacks when most of them could've been cut, and the slideshow doesn't make up for anything.


Those flashbacks are incredibly important to mirios state of mind and everything he’s willing to give up to be a hero they absolutely should not have cut them. And I didn’t say it did I said the manga didn’t even give us the rest of the fight so the fact the anime put in the effort to wholesale design new scenes to show us the rest of the fight in any form should be appreciated


"Incredibly important?" no they're not, we already know that Mirio is passionate about being a hero, we didn't learn anything important from the flashbacks.
So you think it's important to tell me that the fight sucked even more in the manga, let me make one thing clear, when I criticize something it doesn't mean I don't appreciate the good things about it, but that slideshow doesn't make the fight any better so I have no reason to appreciate it.
Dec 28, 2019 1:40 PM
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Another great episode!
I am speechless.. Mirio is a true hero and a great character!
Dec 28, 2019 1:43 PM
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What an outstanding episode. This is probably the best episode so far in the entire anime. I can't wait for the next one.


Your expectations must be very low then if this powerpoint slide gives it the crown
Dec 28, 2019 2:00 PM
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Well, the battle continues and Toga and Twice finally did what they wanted, betray the yakuzas and avenge Magne, but the episode was certainly epic, Mirio fulfilled his promise to rescue Eri, but this meant a hard fight and a great sacrifice from Mirio.

Mirio had a difficult fight to take, He was physically and mentally unbalanced, Nemoto and Deidoro have some quirks that at first glance look normal, but these quirks played a trick on Mirio, but he was stronger and defeated them with his great special technique and in turn Mirio managed to recover Eri.

Overhaul earns the title as the worst father, the evil of harming little Eri psychologically so that the little girl is at the mercy of him is too cruel, but it's good that Mirio gave this scumbag a good beating.

Unfortunately, the damned Nemoto knew how to control Mirio's emotions and actions and when he tried to protect Eri from the bullet, he received the destructive bullet. I swear I couldn't stop crying when I saw Mirio's flashback until I saw how his quirk was eliminated forever, but even so Mirio didn't give up and kept fighting until he was seriously injured.

The episode was epic, Mirio complied with being Eri's hero, his sacrifice was something that hurt me to see, but still he do not let Overhaul hurt Eri, but fortunately Izuku arrives to relieve the exhausted and injured Mirio.
My only complaint I have about this episode is that Mirio's fight with Overhaul would have been better without slideshow, they ruined something that could have been an epic fight, I hope the same does not happen in these following episodes, especially now that Izuku is the one will fight.
Dec 28, 2019 2:18 PM

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Best episode so far and clear cut best season as well
Dec 28, 2019 2:22 PM

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What an outstanding episode. This is probably the best episode so far in the entire anime. I can't wait for the next one.


Your expectations must be very low then if this powerpoint slide gives it the crown


In terms of the plot progressing it was great :D Yeah the still pictures kinda ruined it a bit but so far it was the most interesting imo. Maybe not the best but could be 2nd best after the stain arc ending one in sesaon 2.
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Dec 28, 2019 2:25 PM

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Even though I think some people in this thread are overreacting, I gotta admit that this was kinda disappointing. The story was fine, but the animation just wasn't there. For being a high point of a fairly hyped arc, you'd think they'd go all out. I mean, they did that in all of the previous seasons, so why not now? What happened?

Dec 28, 2019 2:39 PM
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https://mobile.twitter.com/TheGuuruGuru/status/1210909658136887296

So pretty much everyone complaining about this is an idiot.
Dec 28, 2019 2:56 PM
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Damn, what a masterfull and intense episode!

Mirio was so epic this episode, he defewated the first two, and after thta made and awesome fight against CHisaki and her comrades, preventing everything while protecting Eri, Mirio truly shined this episode, it was great, and alos Chisaki was awesome, outstanding fight!

BNH is so damn gooid cause of thta intense fight, where you alm0ost can't predict how it gona be!

Seems next episode Deku will made an awesome entrance, looking forward next episode! I can't wait!
Dec 28, 2019 2:57 PM

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Devil_Food said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheGuuruGuru/status/1210909658136887296

So pretty much everyone complaining about this is an idiot.


because 10 slideshows are better 1... i guess

you are not helping case here buddy
Dec 28, 2019 3:01 PM
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miros said:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/TheGuuruGuru/status/1210909658136887296

So pretty much everyone complaining about this is an idiot.


because ???

10 still images are better 1 i guess

1. You can't count
2. You're literally complaining about an anime only sequence which was a blank panel in the manga
3. It was only 15 seconds in the afternath.

So you and your little cronies are a bunch of clowns.
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Devil_Food said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheGuuruGuru/status/1210909658136887296

So pretty much everyone complaining about this is an idiot.


Yeah we're complaining that the anime adaptation of one of MHA's best moment was only a coloring of manga panel without any improvement from the medium when previous fights fully took advantage of it.

Don't call people idiots for no reasons.
Dec 28, 2019 3:10 PM
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The animation was good though. It wasn’t literally orgasmic but for everything but the very end it was good and again the manga doesn’t even show the rest of the fight meaning the anime team had to design and draw those still frames they used to show the rest of the fight themselves. We should appreciate they put in the effort to do that when they could have just skipped the end of the fight like the manga did
the should of just cut to black and said he fought for 5 min and actually animate the fight. also the changed how mirio attacked and his backstory was cut short, like fuck suneater and red riot had there full backstory and you're gonna cut mirio's?


They might go back to those parts next episode if wait and see
Dec 28, 2019 3:27 PM

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Sigh... Just like Kirishima's episode, this was basically had the same issue with no technical ingenuity. Honestly, this is close to being my least favorite season of BNHA so far


Dec 28, 2019 3:31 PM

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It being anime original is not an excuse. If anything, it's worse. They obviously thought it was important enough to spend a little effort on in the first place, or they would have preserved the manga's original pacing. But instead of actually leaning into that, and justifying the change through really making an effort, they didn't make the most of it and we ended up with a half-assed product that left me and many others cold - because we know that the creative team is capable of more.

It's like you're watching Return of the King, you're in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, and you suddenly see some crappy claymation Mumakil stomping on model horses. You'd feel pissed off that the film's incredible visual effects had suddenly stopped in favour of this low-effort approach - it had been so good throughout the previous two movies, and now this? And then your friend leans over and goes, "Hey, bro, this wasn't even in the books, so its better than nothing!"

No, it's not better than nothing. I for one would have preferred a fade to black and narrator voiceover, and a really properly well-crafted fight up to that point, than what we got. It's OK - it's totally fine the way it is. But this is the emotional highlight of the arc, and 'totally fine' isn't good enough. It's not the place to be settling or compromising.
Dec 28, 2019 3:40 PM
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IT'S LEMILLION LOVING HOURS, FOLKS.
Dec 28, 2019 3:42 PM
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I felt absolutely nothing watching this episode, i really tried to but it just didn't do it for me. Also pretty predictable that something was gonna happen to mirio.
Dec 28, 2019 3:55 PM
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The ost and voice acting were great but the animation was non-existent throughout most of it. Come on Bones you’re better than this
Dec 28, 2019 4:22 PM
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I have decided to come to forums for this series on this special occasion, and what I bear witness to...
Not once during the episode I felt "disappointed". I felt ecstatic. Exalted. The heroism was all there needed be to make a point. But what I see here...
I am disappointed in this community and feel utmost pity for it. Which is nothing new. I have spoken.
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really good ep imo, and i think the slideshow action added the exact emotion they wanted to portray; rather than being energetic and intense, it was slow and daunting, playing up the fear of harm to lemillion. i thought this ep had just the right balance
Dec 28, 2019 4:38 PM
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I thought all the still shots and slow mo killed the momentum of this fight. I could see where this could have been a cool and emotionally super impactful scene.... and it just wasn't. I'm honestly really disappointed with this first part of season 4 MHA.

Also, people having an opinion is what these forums are for, right? I'm sure we are allowed not to have liked it just as much as you are allowed to have loved it.
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Daniel_Naumov said:
I have decided to come to forums for this series on this special occasion, and what I bear witness to...
Not once during the episode I felt "disappointed". I felt ecstatic. Exalted. The heroism was all there needed be to make a point. But what I see here...
I am disappointed in this community and feel utmost pity for it. Which is nothing new. I have spoken.


To be fair MHA and bones have set the bar pretty high in terms of quality fot themselves , and this being one of the 3 hype climax episodes this season tease by them people have had high expectations and when those expectations were not met people felt DISAPPOINTEDDDD (sorry i couldn't resist)

is this episode bad?

if you compare with animes other battle shounens like black clover, boruto, SDS , no it has way better quality than those

HOWEVER

if you compare previous MHA seasons, yes it felt a little short
Dec 28, 2019 4:44 PM

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First of all.... Toga is outstanding even with only 5 seconds...

Now... i gotta say that i considered Mirio a Joke until now... i see potential.

Pretty good episode, i almost felt like i was watching young All Might (Attitude & Actions, not just Might)

First 8 episodes were kind of "mñeh", but these last 3 episodes have been pretty solid. (7, now 8 of 10).
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Devil_Food said:
miros said:


because ???

10 still images are better 1 i guess

1. You can't count
2. You're literally complaining about an anime only sequence which was a blank panel in the manga
3. It was only 15 seconds in the afternath.

So you and your little cronies are a bunch of clowns.


I mean in the Manga we didn’t see Endeavor kill the Black Nomu during that stain arc, but they added it in and it looked great- the show has obviously lost its most talented people to the film and I’m just hoping Dekus fight looks better overall (and please no CG)
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''I will become your hero",i will forever remember this phrase.This episode is so emotional and i very love it.Looking forward to the next episode.

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Ljw said:
Devil_Food said:

1. You can't count
2. You're literally complaining about an anime only sequence which was a blank panel in the manga
3. It was only 15 seconds in the afternath.

So you and your little cronies are a bunch of clowns.


I mean in the Manga we didn’t see Endeavor kill the Black Nomu during that stain arc, but they added it in and it looked great- the show has obviously lost its most talented people to the film and I’m just hoping Dekus fight looks better overall (and please no CG)


oh no , you got me worried now, if "that" become a big CGi "thing" i swear to odin heads are gonna roll >_>
Dec 28, 2019 6:15 PM
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nooooo lemillion
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he just got her gender wrong. It's not like he intentionally said it. Later on he'll correct himself.


I don’t get it, since Magne is a guy he’s a “he”.
magne is a woman, a MTF, Male to Female transgender.
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friggin' cliffhanger! i wanna punch someone!!!
5/5!!!


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Even after being shot Mirio is the truth!

However I shot up out of my seat at the end when Midoriya came through the wall! Holy crap that got me fired up for next week.
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miros said:
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I mean in the Manga we didn’t see Endeavor kill the Black Nomu during that stain arc, but they added it in and it looked great- the show has obviously lost its most talented people to the film and I’m just hoping Dekus fight looks better overall (and please no CG)


oh no , you got me worried now, if "that" become a big CGi "thing" i swear to odin heads are gonna roll >_>


My main reason for worrying is that we haven’t really seen it or had a look at parts of it in any of the PV’s or trailers (not even a hint in the preview for the next ep where I imagine it’ll appear) and considering this season has been cutting costs here and there (presumably to put budget in this fight) a CG monster would be cheaper and a lot easier meaning they'll only have to animate deku
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