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Nov 25, 2019 2:58 PM
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I'm talking of the top 3 battle shonen crowned such by the western anime fandom in the mid 00's. Which consists of Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece.

I can understand in One Piece's case, but how did Naruto & Bleach get up there? Do you think their popularity was justified? Why doesn't the 10's have their own alternative of the Big 3?
Nov 25, 2019 3:05 PM
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Whether their popularity is justfiied or not has no relevance. They were popular; hence they were named the big 3.
Nov 25, 2019 3:07 PM
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Because of their length and marketing would be my best guess.

Calling it now; the NEW Big 3 are: BNHA, AoT, and....still One Piece. Lol



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Whether their popularity is justfiied or not has no relevance. They were popular; hence they were named the big 3.

Only in the west tho. They didn't exist as a concept in Japan. They weren't even the top sellers of Jump, aside from One Piece. But yeah, West loved them.
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Nah, One Piece has always been HUGE in Japan. I went in 2003, it was everywhere. I went back in 2014? It was still everywhere. xD

Attack on Titan was pretty popular too. They made Titan jelly. JELLY, I tell you. xD It wasn't cute. xD

Naruto fizzled out pretty early...same for Bleach. As far as products...from what I can remember.



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Actually I doubt many countries had the luxury to broadcast all 3 simultaneously on free to air TV. I don't include Detective Conan. Usually TV would show 1 or 2 out of the 3 and heavily edited too, while majority of viewers / readers would catch the rest online via fansubs.

While Japan had a more accurate sales and popularity picture,plus fiercer shonen competition.
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Bleach has the best starting arc of any shounen anime. Althought it has the most fillers, they were at least funny to some extent. Also the characters i guess.

One Piece probably beause of the freindship of the characters. It also has the least amount of filler. The story progress at a good pace.

Naruto I did'nt watch this so idk but im guessing its due to the video games and it being ninja related.
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In my humble opinion I believe that the big three got up there for the following reasons. It is because of the inferiority complex of its target audience and it has very relatable characters.

One Piece: A character who can stretch made the prepubescent teens wish they can have bigger body parts, therefore it was purchased by the masses.

Naruto: To be blue eyes and blonde has been a dream of people since the dawn of time.

Bleach: The favored drink of those who watched this series.
Nov 25, 2019 3:44 PM
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Because they were the longest running, persisting through the seasons and resounding loudly years after they have first aired. Nothing more, nothing less.
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In my humble opinion I believe that the big three got up there for the following reasons. It is because of the inferiority complex of its target audience and it has very relatable characters.

One Piece: A character who can stretch made the prepubescent teens wish they can have bigger body parts, therefore it was purchased by the masses.

Naruto: To be blue eyes and blonde has been a dream of people since the dawn of time.

Bleach: The favored drink of those who watched this series.

that totally not the case .
the reason a manga gets popular or make make money is by doing things in a good way .
the thing that made AOT popular in the last 9 years because it's consistent .
it's also what made one piece stays on top in a long term , and what made naruto and bleach in the big 3.
and ones a manga start being inconsistent (focusing on one acpect and ignoring other aspects) it start losing attention like what happened to shokugeki no souma , bleach and other manga.

as long as a manga keep the balance between story,fights and other acpect and keep entertaining the majority of the audience it will be popular and loved.

I'm saying the majority of the audience because ofc not everybody will like a certain manga,and the goal of every work is to appeal not to everyone but to the majority
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I think nostalgia plays a big factor. A majority of anime fans in the West, I think, are like me: around the teenage or young adult age. When a lot of us first watched these anime, we were pretty young, I'd say between maybe 8-12? At the time especially, I don't think Western cartoons were known to be "mature" and violent, or at least, kids cartoons. So I think a lot of us, at least me, when we first watched one of these BIG 3 anime, we were like, "Wow, an action cartoon with BLOOD in it, awesome!"

One Piece, at least to my knowledge based on the first couple of 100 episodes that I watched, has a tone that is childish, but adventure-like. I mean, it's about a kid traveling across different island with their own quirks.

Naruto is about an underdog, which the West loves, and it's about ninjas, which the West especially loves, and its titular character is like a majority of 12 year olds in the West: loud, hot headed, obnoxious, impulsive. Naruto was also an outcast, a feeling that a lot of us at a young age could relate to. Basically, combine a relatable protagonist that a majority of kids could relate to, add ninjas to the max, and bam!

Bleach, while aimed at young guys, definitely was the "coolest" out of the BIG 3: the characters are in their late teens, its set in the modern era, and the Hollows are definitely more intimidating.

I think a big factor as to why these 3 anime were so popular is also because of how they always shifted tones. I'm not sure about Bleach, since I didn't watch too much of it, but One Piece and Naruto are filled to the brim with big dramatic scenes with characters crying, while still retaining a light hearted comedic tone.

I think the reason why anime like Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) didn't get as popular, is because they're too mature, dark, and had plots more complex that demanded your attention more. But the BIG 3 anime managed to be light hearted enough that a kid could enjoy it, but dark enough that an older kid could enjoy it.
Nov 25, 2019 5:27 PM
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The reason why the Big 3 were a thing because at that time you had the most popular protagonists in Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece. Those characters were not only popular in Japan, but they were very popular in the West.

Monkey D. Luffy wanted to go on an adventure and find One Piece, Naruto was an underdog who had no friends in the beginning. Ichigo wanted to protect his friends from the hollows with his soul reaper powers.

The new Big 3 should have been BnHA, HxH, and One Piece, but HxH is still on hiatus. It could be One Piece, BnHA, and KnY while Dr. Stone is another strong contender, but who knows at this point.
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Simply, there was a time when those 3 series dominated the Shonen Jump popularity polls. If I'm not mistaken I believe "the Big 3" was longer lasting in the west than in Japan. Bleach took a nose dive in popularity after the Arrancar arc or there abouts, but people kept up the meme. In Japan there was more a "Big 2" in the long term. The "Big 3" was actually pretty short lived there.

In the long long term there has always been only a Big One. One Piece baby. Who's laughing now dorks? Your series are DEAD. DEAD. Who even likes Boruto? The One Piece army is still going strong lads.
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Bleach has the best starting arc of any shounen anime. Althought it has the most fillers, they were at least funny to some extent. Also the characters i guess.

One Piece probably beause of the freindship of the characters. It also has the least amount of filler. The story progress at a good pace.

Naruto I did'nt watch this so idk but im guessing its due to the video games and it being ninja related.





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xx_ibrahimd_xx said:
Lelouch_Joestar said:
Bleach has the best starting arc of any shounen anime. Althought it has the most fillers, they were at least funny to some extent. Also the characters i guess.

One Piece probably beause of the freindship of the characters. It also has the least amount of filler. The story progress at a good pace.

Naruto I did'nt watch this so idk but im guessing its due to the video games and it being ninja related.





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Nah, he can watch berserk 1999 or 97 ( whatever it is) and many others, 😏😏😏😏
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Maybe it's because I've seen topics on the subject since 2009, but I thought it was the big four, because Dragon Ball.

When did younger weebs decide that it was just three? Is Goku not as "cool" as Naruto?

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Maybe it's because I've seen topics on the subject since 2009, but I thought it was the big four, because Dragon Ball.

When did younger weebs decide that it was just three? Is Goku not as "cool" as Naruto?

I guess they decided to exclude dragon ball out of the equation because it was older than either of these three shows.
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The Big 3 of One Piece, Naruto and Bleach lasted for a couple of years actually. It was no more than what Shingeki no Kyojin or Boku no Hero Academia enjoyed with One Piece in recent years.

The real BIG 3 of Shounen are Dragon Ball, Hakuto no Ken and One Piece. There was a very detailed article on these three shounen series translated from a Japanese business magazine published in early 2010s. I don't have the link but if I recall correctly, the net worth of these three was close to 60 billion USD back then.

Currently there is no such thing as a big three. OP is still there. But the other two change places a lot. We had Hunter x Hunter and Nanatsu no Taizai in the mix with SnK, BnHA, Yakusoku no Neverland, Kingdom and now Kimetsu no Yaiba battling it out for the next two slots.

The closest a non battle shounen came to break the Top 3 was Haikyuu, I think. But it only managed to be 4th.
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Missaliensan said:
NexivSelecaf said:
Maybe it's because I've seen topics on the subject since 2009, but I thought it was the big four, because Dragon Ball.

When did younger weebs decide that it was just three? Is Goku not as "cool" as Naruto?

I guess they decided to exclude dragon ball out of the equation because it was older than either of these three shows.

Following that logic, it makes sense.

Following my logic as someone who grew up constantly seeing and hearing about 'the big four', anime really is as bad as rap music in terms of trendiness and gatekeeping.

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NexivSelecaf said:
Maybe it's because I've seen topics on the subject since 2009, but I thought it was the big four, because Dragon Ball.

When did younger weebs decide that it was just three? Is Goku not as "cool" as Naruto?

Dragon Ball was known as the first father of anime along with Fist of the North Star and Jojo, lmao.
But I think the reason was that it was too old and many were put off by its look.
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Honestly it was mostly the big 2 (Naruto and One piece) bleach had it ups and downs but Naruto and one piece 99% of the time were in the Top 3 place in the jump magazine. and they deserve it.

I think if an anime is popular for some reason then there has to be some good qualities to it Look at Fairy Tail, it is considered shit anime/manga across most anime fans but I can see why many people like it and why it even sold really well.
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"Why do you think the BIG 3 were a thing?"

I guess in this period there were only a dozen animes on US TV (older, newer, certain seasons skipped ect.). Some of them were for kids, some of them...ewww, for girls...and from the rest those 3 (actually 4) had the protagonists who screamed the loudest.
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xx_ibrahimd_xx said:





If you Haven’t watched Naruto then just stop watching anime, seriously!
Nah, he can watch berserk 1999 or 97 ( whatever it is) and many others, 😏😏😏😏


You do realise Naruto is not a must watch and since Naruto did copy HunterXHunter I'm less inclined to watch it. It also has the second most filler episoded shounen after Bleach.

Also since you have a shit rating list giving SA0 2 a 10/10 really
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Nah, he can watch berserk 1999 or 97 ( whatever it is) and many others, 😏😏😏😏


You do realise Naruto is not a must watch and since Naruto did copy HunterXHunter I'm less inclined to watch it.

Lmao, I haven't watched Naruto either, despite growing up in the era where it was most beloved.

For me if you haven't seen Jojo, you ain't an anime fan... joke joke, I'm just joking here.
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Because they scratched that Dragon Ball itch during the time of its years long absence.
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Orhunaa said:
Whether their popularity is justfiied or not has no relevance. They were popular; hence they were named the big 3.

Only in the west tho. They didn't exist as a concept in Japan. They weren't even the top sellers of Jump, aside from One Piece. But yeah, West loved them.
Where "the West" is "the United States", of course; it wasn't particularly popular in Europe either as far as I know.


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I discovered that bleach was apparently a thing only when I first joined MAL, I'd never even heard of it before visiting this website. Then again, lupin III and detective conan are anime everyone knows here (and in Japan, too) and yet they're largely ignored in most western communities.

As to why, they're shounen, they have extremely long runs, sympathetic/likable mcs (sort of), good enough starts to get people hooked and the good old "it's friendship power" theme. Didn't really need anything more than that honestly.
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Guys it was called the Big 3 because they were coming out at the same time, not that the Big 3 were biggest Shounen of all time, it's not like people weren't including DBZ out of spite or opinion. Imagine if someone made a Big 3 for movies that came after 2000 and you asked "Where's Star Wars?".

Anyway, it's been said already but it was because of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z being done. DBZ was too huge and left a hole in many people's hearts with the way it changed the Shounen genre, so naturally people clung onto shows that were influenced by it in many ways and had something to them that differentiated them from their contemporaries.

We don't have a new Big 3 because despite the popularity of the newer Shounen shows, Shounen isn't as dominating as it was before. Anime wasn't exactly that accepted or well liked back during the era of the Big 3, but now more and more westerners are not only more accepting, but watch more anime themselves and discover shows outside of Shounen. Shounen is still well liked and popular today, but it's no longer as special is basically what I'm trying to say, because back then it's kind of what most of us only thought of when it came to anime, not knowing there was more than just battles.
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LemurLime said:
NexivSelecaf said:
Maybe it's because I've seen topics on the subject since 2009, but I thought it was the big four, because Dragon Ball.

When did younger weebs decide that it was just three? Is Goku not as "cool" as Naruto?

Dragon Ball was known as the first father of anime along with Fist of the North Star and Jojo, lmao.
But I think the reason was that it was too old and many were put off by its look.

I don't think that is the reason because I know for a fact that more people have an issue with one piece's artstyle than dragon ball's tbh. I just think that it's because it's too old to be counted into the big three.
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Peeti said:
Nah, he can watch berserk 1999 or 97 ( whatever it is) and many others, 😏😏😏😏


You do realise Naruto is not a must watch and since Naruto did copy HunterXHunter I'm less inclined to watch it. It also has the second most filler episoded shounen after Bleach.

Also since you have a shit rating list giving SA0 2 a 10/10 really
Oye, when I said you should watch Naruto as a must. It was the buddy who said that to you to which I replied. Read again.


And yeah I do have a shitty list. Not that shitty but still very shitty.
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Naruto absolutely deserved it! There's a reason why it still has a dedicated fandom years after it ended. It's not one of the best anime, but it's certainly one of the most memorable. In my opinion not many can compete with Naruto's very powerful soundtrack, character back stories and visual design.

I feel as though Bleach was quite lucky. It was a case of right place, right time. The anime/manga was pretty good at the start, but got gradually worse with each arc. I'm saying this as a Bleach fan, so please don't think I'm hating.
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Its pretty simple actually lol, shounen shows that even aired on tv and have more episodes than most people can watch in a week or month. I dont understand why some people are not able to figure this stuff out by themself.
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Ninjas
Spirit Samurais
Pirates

I mean do you need more than that to be popular?
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But not the right kind of ninjas. Not the Ninja Scroll school of cool ninja representation.
Just some obnoxious teens with their obnoxious teen drama.


Not the traditional "shiver me timbers" pirates but some clowns instead.
Some very evil clowns.
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I mentioned it in kind of a sarcastic way, but I think we Western/Gaijins are a little bit easy to impress. It is true that Naruto feels more like drama than anything, but that's on Shippuden. About One Piece I don't know what to say lmao.

So, the first 20 episodes for Naruto are fights and kids spitting fire from their mouths, that's cool enough to catch your attention. I also feel like the big three came at the right moment (same with Dragon Ball) so their popularity got boosted due to luck, the audience they targeted and the feel that each one of them make us feel when we watched them (action packed fights, some comedy, and adventure).
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Bc these were broadcasted on tv for a long time
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If you Haven’t watched Naruto then just stop watching anime, seriously!
Again these 15 yo teen boys saying their facts, interesting
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Bleach has the best starting arc of any shounen anime. Althought it has the most fillers, they were at least funny to some extent. Also the characters i guess.

One Piece probably beause of the freindship of the characters. It also has the least amount of filler. The story progress at a good pace.

Naruto I did'nt watch this so idk but im guessing its due to the video games and it being ninja related.





If you Haven’t watched Naruto then just stop watching anime, seriously!

Haven't watched naruto,probably never will,and i am perfectly fine with that.At least One piece doesn't have 100 episodes of filler.
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Don't know about the US, but One Piece, Naruto and Bleach were REALLY popular in my country in the 2000s alongside Dragon Ball, they entirely deserve their "Big 3" title

Naruto was and still is the most popular, but One Piece also has a huge fanbase nowadays
Bleach faded out a little bit in the 2010s when it stopped airing but was really popular from 2005-2006 to the early 2010s

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it was a different time
we got less anime in general every season
streaming was barely a thing (we were in the fan subs era)
the big 3 got localized, thus introducing them to the west.

There are surprisingly few anime about ninja out there, and everyone thinks ninjas are cool. Naruto, originally it was a pretty grounded series as well.

One piece actually starts off real crappy imo. Luffy building up his crew is like the worst part of the series. It only gets good around CP9 if you ask me. The imaginative landscapes and worlds is its strongest selling points usually though.

Bleach.... rule of cool until it couldnt hold out any longer. The writing was always terrible, and most the cast is worthless

If any of them didnt deserve to be that big, it was bleach.
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