Shingeki no Kyojin Chapter 121 Discussion

attacktitan_01 said:



What time paradox are you talking about, History didn't change, Grisha did kill all the Reiss family this is the history and it did not changed just the resolve grisha needed was given to him by future memories. And so you know recent experiments have indeed shown how past can be affected by future at quantum level.
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Do you want explanations of a supernatural, fantasy world?

What Grisha saw from the future, it is not necessary to show everything what he saw, whatever is required for plot progression and understanding of situation is already show or will be shown.
There is nothing wrong with Zeke's explanation of getting free from the vow renouncing war. Any royal blood member who possesses founding titan is bounded by vow of king fritz, so if Zeke had founding titan himself and he would have entered paths it wouldn't be possible for him to undo the vow, but he accessed the paths through eren who was not bounded by king's will so he was free, also since the nature of Ymir is shown to be of a slave of royal blood so free Zeke can order anything he wishes.

Eren's dream without having power could be because of he was the going to inherit attack titan, all eldians are connected by paths already, however I don't know, may be it will be explained later.
Kruger could access future memories but couldn't tell whose memories they were, eren can actually control everything, know's whose memories are they may be that's the difference, there are questions which can be answered later.
Some of you want everything to be explained in one chapter, story is not ended yet. When you don't get your answers after story ends you may complain but after every chapter this is not known or this doesn't adds up so this must be contradiction kind of thing is getting annoying tbh.

attacktitan_01 said:


Again there is no actual time travel just , eren is not influencing grisha his memories are. Grisha always had the courage but was hesitating, it was eren's memories which removed his hesitation, just like in steins gate where after gaining future's memories okabe continues to try to change the past.
What's wrong in using an idea in fiction which can be very real in real life.

xenosys said:


Grisha still murders the Reiss family regardless of whether Eren intervenes or not, as we've already seen. However, the circumstances around Grisha's motivation to kill them has been revealed. He never wanted to kill them in the first place, he had a oath as a doctor to save people, not murder so it directly contradicted his mission.



Presumably, if holders of the Attack Titan can peer randomly into the future using it's successor, then he would normally be able to see up to 13 years in to the future after he's relinquished control of his shifter once the curse of Ymir takes hold. However, he's able to peer into his own future by viewing his father's past memories of him. It's yet to be established exactly how much he's seen, but Grisha implied that he's already seen the aftermath of what Eren is planning to do and wants nothing to do with it. You'll probably find out what he saw when/if it happens.




Well that's the power of the Attack Titan, to be able to randomly peer into the memories of the successor of the attack titan, therefore being able to see into the future. Krueger was likely quoting Grisha when he said "In order to save Armin, Mikasa, and everyone else ..." because Grisha said exactly the same thing before he allowed Eren to eat him.

Don't get me wrong, the theory behind this is starting to get more and more convoluted by the chapter, but it's still just about making sense. I just hope Isayama isn't digging himself into hole he can't dig the story out of in a logical, consistent manner.

attacktitan_01 said:

@LoneWalkers

You are wrong, world lines changed only when they used Dmail to send message in past and past changed as a result world line changed, when they sent memories they were in same worldline, knowing the future in that worldline trying to undo what they have changed through Dmails so as to reach original worldline.

LoneWalkers said:
>Well that's the power of the Attack Titan, to be able to randomly peer into the memories of the successor of the attack titan, therefore being able to see into the future. Krueger was likely quoting Grisha when he said "In order to save Armin, Mikasa, and everyone else ..." because Grisha said exactly the same thing before he allowed Eren to eat him.

So Attack Titan can see random memories of future successors whenever he wants, but only for Eren, he saw "his future" by touching Historia/royal blood? Sounds like the story doesn't care about following any rules but okay.

laviha said:


Remember that it was the ''owl'' aka Kruger who sent Dina Fritz(royal blood) to Eldian Restorationists, so it's possible that Kruger saw the memory of Grisha by touching Dina. It's not just Eren alone that needs to touch a royal blood in order to see the future.

attacktitan_01 said:

Only choices of characters influenced by future memories.
We will see how chaos is created in timeline itself, because I don't see any chaos in timeline happening, all what is currently happening is in paths, the actual time line will continue like it was before without being affected. There won't be worldline change as there won't be any change in past. We will see.

attacktitan_01 said:


I don't how to make you understand but I'll try again, what you are saying as past being changed is not actually that. If past were to be changed then actual incident that happened in the past would have been changed.
If I have two choices A and B right now and i choose A becuase of some sort of influence then in future I can not say that the influence which made me choose A over B actually changed the past. That's just a real time decision which I took based on certain factors, influences of others maybe? Past is what has happened physically and it did not change here.

attacktitan_01 said:


So you are saying that if not for eren's memories, grisha would have chosen not to take founding titan's power, abandoning his mission, his dream of eldia, will of Eren kruger which resides in him and for sure must be influencing him too and leaving eldians at the mercy of Marley with their actual intentions known to him clearly, and getting killed by freida , only eren's memories made him do what he did not other factors? Eren's memories just pushed him getting over temporary hesitation, hesitation due to moral reasons.