Political Compass

Veronin said:


I think that's more the religion side of things that puts people off from certain fiction. I'm agnostic so nothing really bothers me despite my conservative beliefs.

Plus, it's often people on the left who are more prone to this sort of behaviour. "This is sexist. That's homophobic. That triggers me."

aaronrray said:


Another thing to bring in is the fact that so much of this craziness is just an American thing. When I speak to some aussie friends of mine, they find it all hilarious. All in all, I see that its hard to REALLY gauge political views save for a vague leaning on the broad categories of things that you might find important. The more I research cultures outside the US, the more I realize that politics is really complicated...

omfgplzstop said:
yet everyone insist on labeling you either left or right and attributing a million beliefs to you on that basis
;-;

omfgplzstop said:
@traed
You're born. You have nothing. You deserve nothing. Now you can either go pick up a stick and hunt sheep, or you can make a deal with me to carry pizzas so you can afford to buy meat from the supermarket. The fact that voluntary transactions are by far the most beneficial pathway does not mean they're the only option. Would you say a guy who invented medicine that made people's lives longer was taking away people's freedom because "they were forced to get it?"

You want to force people to give you stuff by virtue of being alive. If you want something from others, provide something of value to them and you can both benefit.

also cmon, Mises clearly is not in favor of fascism just based off your quote and to assert that he is after considering his general view of freedom is just lazy.

I read the first question and closed the tab. Biased ignoramuses. Spekr has me as a libertarian capitalist, 83 economic and -68 cultural.

Manaban said:
Just so it can be said I made my political views public on this website at least once, given I usually refrain from discussing such opinions online:




Though I find it weird that I have been labeled as fascist by 8values tbh, I have always considered myself an authoritarian capitalist with strong leanings towards conservatism and patriotism, but not really outright fascism ._.

Frag- said:
Even if the economy is mixed economy it still despises many economic freedom. Although it's better than many worst models..
But yeah, I feel like I exagerated a little.
And I'm pretty sure you support an authoritarian econmy, not just a mixed one.

Do I really need to say why we are over-regulated? lol

No, for the people who are being affected by that toxic waste dumping.They're subject to agression and the company would have to pay something for it. If the goverment does the polluting, people can't do shit about it.
I don't know what is that you were talking about, for me you were talking all the time about water pullution.

On Fidel Castro
https://www.quora.com/How-many-deaths-was-Fidel-Castro-responsible-for
Also, death is not the only form of cruelty
http://babalublog.com/fidel-castros-greatest-atrocities-and-crimes/fidel-castros-firing-squads-in-cuba/

On Che (Wow, I was taking about T-Shirts, aren't I)
https://www.ihatethemedia.com/13-reasons-you-should-throw-away-your-che-guevara-t-shirt


Yet people see those monsters as heros, even many left-libertarians.

Both in schools and universities, and no, it's the teacher's ideology.

OF COURSE I'M NOT FORMING AN ARGUMENT. Talking, the problem is that you reborn irrelevant quotes instead of arguing against the person MAIN views and ideologies. Didn't you one thing doesn't leave to another.
Alright, libertarians figures were the reason of all the rascism that happened in America, K.
No, capitalism is the best way to overcome porverty. Racisms is racism. Free-market is Free-market. Do you know the reason of the black's misery? Yes, the bad goverment actions, and would be eliminated if you eliminated if you eliminated the bad goverment failures.

Can we please deal with this later senpai?

Uuuhhh? One thing doesn't lead to another right?
For, Ayn, it's immoral to initiate force against other individuals, it doesn't mean she would do it by herself.
And I'm not aware of the entire story, unlike the Mises's Facism case.

And btw no, I agree with many things libertarian figures say, but not all of them ( even for people like Friedman, which maily talked about economic stuff I'd say).

Hahaha, you got me too seriously :/ I'm meant to say to say that I'm supposed to answer you on this subject since the Anarhco-capitalism thread, just that.
Oh my gosh... Mises wasn't for an autoritharian gorvement, nor facism, Mises thought fascism was some kind of "Anti-communism" force before 1927. He was against facism/nazism years later. In fact, Mises was chased by the fascist/nazi forces.

Wow, you don't know what the pictures mean, it is just a 770 Degree memes Neo-communist propaganda :^

I'm not claiming victory, it's just funny to see people thinking that Mises supported fascism when he was totally against it, I mean, the true Mussolini Fascism, not the one he described.
He meant to say something more as "prophetic" and not Facism on that book.

omfgplzstop said:
@traed
You're born. You have nothing. You deserve nothing. Now you can either go pick up a stick and hunt sheep, or you can make a deal with me to carry pizzas so you can afford to buy meat from the supermarket. The fact that voluntary transactions are by far the most beneficial pathway does not mean they're the only option. Would you say a guy who invented medicine that made people's lives longer was taking away people's freedom because "they were forced to get it?"

You want to force people to give you stuff by virtue of being alive. If you want something from others, provide something of value to them and you can both benefit.

also cmon, Mises clearly is not in favor of fascism just based off your quote and to assert that he is after considering his general view of freedom is just lazy.

I read the first question and closed the tab. Biased ignoramuses. Spekr has me as a libertarian capitalist, 83 economic and -68 cultural.

omfgplzstop said:
@traed exactly, you can make a choice between a bunch of voluntary transactions. You can't steal my pizza, because that's involuntary and the government has a certain role under capitalism. If you're on food stamps, people are forced to pay for your food. There is not enough for everyone--there's only as much as the producer was willing to produce given the risk involved. If you choose to hunt or grow crops yourself, you're going to have a harder time, as occured in the past when humans did not possess nearly as much wealth. Over time, more beneficial exchanges open up for you (you can do a lot more today with 5000$ than with the equivalent of that a few decades ago, for example), which is coincidentally why the workers' revolution didn't occur as Marx theorized it.

Maybe I shouldn't have used "forced." I assume you're a voluntaryist? I was saying mixed economies typically mean someone's forced to make a certain transaction, i.e. pay a certain wage or provide something of x quality.

DateYutaka said:


Captilsm needs the state tha is well know in 2008 who did teh captits bankers go to for help while Collectivist anarchism does not need a state dvocates the abolition of the state and private ownership of the Means of prodction

so we need so state an cap right wing mini statist famil ot see Capilism needs the state

right anrachtist lke an caps are not rea; archism cuase one fact anracist real anarchist like me belive that all hiraracy

omfgplzstop said:
Why do people mix capitalism and corporatism so much? If you want to discuss how the government caused the 2008 crash, I can explain it, but banks getting bailed out is a fundamental violation of capitalist principles.

traed said:

Economic freedom stifles other freedoms.
Not really much more or less authority on economy than there already is just different ways of doing things but I have more than one system I support in some there is money some there is not it just depends what is doable for a situation and particular country. I also played with the idea of opt out taxes where if you don't pay tax you don't get any benefits.

That wasn't what it was about. I asked why you think taxes are too high. You gave a non answer that it's your anecdotic. I then asked what you're basing that on to say it's too high and now you lost track of what it even was you were saying.

That was a rhetorical question. I already know you missed the point there. They can get away with it for a long time unnoticed so lets say they do and it cost lives animals and people being infected but you're okay with a slap on wrist fine as if that could bring back people from the dead? It's something that should be protected from the start not left up to a market or private police. You already said you're not for that though. You just got lost how I was talking about libertarianism in the smallest form of government with full laissez-faire capitalim

"Most of the deaths he ordered were at the start of his rule, executions of Batista's torturers and murderers. The trials were farcical, mostly bouts of rage from an angry public followed by quick deaths with no appeal. Most of the men, though, were guilty and would have been found guilty of murder had the trials been fair"
That really isn't saying much. You cant compare something as common as executing murderers to what I brought up about a lot of Libertarians supporting Hitler and Pinochet. The point is you sshould be asking yourself why they are facists are playing for the libertarian team. I don't even see many people talking about Fidel in comparison to how much I see regularly see online libertarians talking about. I'm not sure at what point that happened though how long that has been doing on. By your standards you applied to Fidel youd have to call almost every leader ever of almost every country a monster.

Yeah you were but I already pointed out most people dont really know much about him.

Where? You're not proving any source or evidence or even an anecdote.

You're not going to gain anything defending a conspiracy theory created by Nazis.

When talking about ideological support which I was talking about yes it does. For action no.
I wasnt saying she would herself with her own hands. Im saying she is an enabler of colonialism / imperialism. I probably should have used the term enabler to be a bit more clear. She says a lot of factually wrong things scattered in there too. She goes full retarded in this interview. About 17 minutes in is about the native Americans just keep in mind things she says are factually false
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAka-tA5Ojw

I didn't say you do but my arguments mostly had been focusing on specific forms of libertarianism.

Consequence of an ideology are an important part of them.

I didn't say that or imply that. I'm talking about how the flaws of capitalism helps racist attitudes flourish.
If that were true there would be no poverty already. Really now? Show me a federal law that is still enacted that is formulated to make black people disproportionately poorer. Good luck....

That's because you typing hahhaha made me read it like a maniacal laugh.
I know I get that. Point still stands though. Supporting it as anti-communism is still supporting something that ideologically is against the ideals of libertarianism.