| This should settle the issue and clear up the misinformation. https://frogkun.com/2019/01/11/the-rising-of-the-shield-hero-the-authors-gender-is-officially-not-your-business/ |
| Even if the author is actually female, I feel that pointing out that she's a woman is a weak counterargument against the claims that the series is "misogynist". |
VeryLTTP said: Even if the author is actually female, I feel that pointing out that she's a woman is a weak counterargument against the claims that the series is "misogynist". The counter-argument is as weak as saying that "just because it's a man as the author and the protagonist hates one woman it totally means he hates all woman in his real life" as what the majority of first impressions are doing about this work. The funniest thing about Shield Hero is that the protagonist literally involves with a bunch of different woman throughout the story, and the only one he hates is that freaking princess. How the hell do you categorize hating one woman as misogyny? Simple, you didn't know, I get that, as the majority of the people actually doing their first impressions on the work. But the issue is categorizing it with a controversy without having all the facts, is a pretty shitty thing to do. Feels like the Anime is going through the same exact situation as the protagonist itself, being accused of something it didn't do. I'm pretty sure that with the progress of the story the majority of the people that are slapping political correctness in this Anime may drastically change their minds when they get the full scope with all the situation and especially with the relationships the protagonist will develop in the story. |
XadowMonzterJan 12, 2019 3:10 PM
| >misogynist >gender >false rape accusations ??? can we please stop? dont like it ? dont watch it ... these SJWs need to get stopped seriously. If I were an author or director I would specifically create works that trigger people just to see their reactions. Society right now is so stupid. |
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diddydongXD said: VeryLTTP said: Even if the author is actually female, I feel that pointing out that she's a woman is a weak counterargument against the claims that the series is "misogynist". A misogynist is a MAN who hates women. Its a stong counterargument against the series being misogynistic because if the the author is a woman it is literally impossible for the series to be misogynistic. No, actually misogyny is not uncommon among women. misogyny: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. Literally nothing states that it is exclusive to men. |
| Special snowflakes are retarded lmao. Dont like it? Dont watch it. Dont bitch like the pathetic loser you are on the internet about it. "dis misogynist animu pls ban offends me" |
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| I say, leftists should cry more, the more they cry the more popular the show will be. |
Aniteku said: >inb4 they have internalized mysogyny Theres female youtubers reacting to the 1st ep and they all love it |
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Huex3 said: Ten said: No, actually misogyny is not uncommon among women. misogyny: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. Literally nothing states that it is exclusive to men. If you've read the story you'd know that there are a lot of strong female characters in the story that fulfill various roles and almost none of them are fanservice roles. If this wasn't written by a Japanese I'd say it is pandering to feminists. I'm not accusing the story or the author of anything, I'm here to support the argument that in this case their gender doesn't matter, and the whole issue is kinda meaningless. |
Cabron said: Aniteku said: >inb4 they have internalized mysogyny Theres female youtubers reacting to the 1st ep and they all love it They are on the wrong political spectrum therefore they don't count, also internalized misogyny. |
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| i dont understand. people are up in arms because the main character was falsely accused of rape as a main plot? that seems silly. |
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DreamingBeats said: let them hate all they want they just giving this show more awareness. i dont understand. people are up in arms because the main character was falsely accused of rape as a main plot? that seems silly.  |
AnitekuJan 14, 2019 10:33 PM
Aniteku said: DreamingBeats said: let them hate all they want they just giving this show more awareness. i dont understand. people are up in arms because the main character was falsely accused of rape as a main plot? that seems silly. A shit show with more viewers is still a shit show though and this one is off to a good (bad) start. |
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Aniteku said: A shit show with more viewers is still a shit show though and this one is off to a good (bad) start. You call it a shit show all you want, but no matter where you go this has good ratings people can talk trash all they want but at end of the day this show still has either 4/5 or 8/10 . And im pretty sure 2nd ep will make people like it even more. Sure, but when every seasonal has good shot at an 8+, an 8+ rating stops becoming special. |
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Eanki said: Aniteku said: You call it a shit show all you want, but no matter where you go this has good ratings people can talk trash all they want but at end of the day this show still has either 4/5 or 8/10 . And im pretty sure 2nd ep will make people like it even more. Sure, but when every seasonal has good shot at an 8+, an 8+ rating stops becoming special. Not being special is quite different than being shitty tho |
vhagar8 said: Eanki said: Sure, but when every seasonal has good shot at an 8+, an 8+ rating stops becoming special. Not being special is quite different than being shitty tho You seem to have misunderstood my point. It's a lament on how people are so open with their 8s. Any show can reach an 8 these days. Doesn't mean it's not shitty. |
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Eanki said: vhagar8 said: Not being special is quite different than being shitty tho You seem to have misunderstood my point. It's a lament on how people are so open with their 8s. Any show can reach an 8 these days. Doesn't mean it's not shitty. To me it looked more like an argument than a lament but whatever. 5 shows out of 40+ new shows of this season has an 8+ score btw. Gotta say your concept of "every" is pretty unique. |
| Pointing out that the author is female doesn't undermine the argument that the show is misogynistic. I haven't watched the show and there are likely many counter-arguments refuting that claim but this is not one of them. |
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| why does anyone care in the first place watch it or dont nobody cares lmfao |
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| >A simple statement saying that it's impolite to assume the author's gender when they specifically ask for it to remain hidden. >"BUT THE SJW THE SNOWFLAKES ARE OFFENDED THEY ARE RUINING ANIME" Like holy shit, stop being so paranoid, this thread is not about whether the show is sexist or not. There's like eight hundred threads about this show, not all of them need to be about its controversy. |
Dhyan_manu said: Eanki said: Sure, but when every seasonal has good shot at an 8+, an 8+ rating stops becoming special. Go and check the winter 2019 anime page and repeat this statement again. https://myanimelist.net/anime/season/2019/winter Just to say, this season has abnormally high ratings for first impressions, probably because of the hype for adaptations, so this isn't probably the best example. That said, Shield Hero seems the kind of show that will fluctuate a lot throughout and will either stay like this (unlikely) or drop after a while, but I don't expect it to reach much higher. There's too much of a controversy and polarization on its initial reception. This high rating is much likely the result of this. |
jal90Jan 15, 2019 4:25 AM
| The main problem of this discourse is that journalists by default tie some views to gender. That is, if the author is a man, then he is by default a sexist, a woman hater and a fetishist, and if a woman, then in principle she cannot make negative comments about female characters. And what is even more ironic, their position is refuted by the fact of their ownexistence, as being far-left men, they are literally people who make a negative comment about their own gender. So, people who shout the loudest about gender equality and falsity of gender roles, in fact, reduce genders even more to certain stereotypes than those whom they accuse of sexism. |
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RobertBobert said: The main problem of this discourse is that journalists by default tie some views to gender. That is, if the author is a man, then he is by default a sexist, a woman hater and a fetishist, and if a woman, then in principle she cannot make negative comments about female characters. While this has certainly happened before (that Comic Girls PV by one of the ANN writers was a special kind of bad) and people often don't realize that women can write problematic or controversial stuff as well, in this case the ones who are constantly bringing up the author's assumed gender to try to prove something are the defenders. There's a bit of post in your bias. |
jal90 said: >A simple statement saying that it's impolite to assume the author's gender when they specifically ask for it to remain hidden. >"BUT THE SJW THE SNOWFLAKES ARE OFFENDED THEY ARE RUINING ANIME" Like holy shit, stop being so paranoid, this thread is not about whether the show is sexist or not. There's like eight hundred threads about this show, not all of them need to be about its controversy. The reason the author gender was bought up in the first place is because of SJWs and snowflakes tho. So it's not like it's that off-topic... |
jal90 said: RobertBobert said: The main problem of this discourse is that journalists by default tie some views to gender. That is, if the author is a man, then he is by default a sexist, a woman hater and a fetishist, and if a woman, then in principle she cannot make negative comments about female characters. While this has certainly happened before (that Comic Girls PV by one of the ANN writers was a special kind of bad) and people often don't realize that women can write problematic or controversial stuff as well, in this case the ones who are constantly bringing up the author's assumed gender to try to prove something are the defenders. There's a bit of post in your bias. Well, I found out about this problem from ANN, where one of the stuff directly tried to link the author’s alleged male gender to the fact that he was allegedly a woman-hater, an anti-feminist and sexist. In this case, the alleged sex was used as an analogue of "you criticize goverment, maybe you are a traitor?" However, ANN has long been a rather specific place where a show can be accused of promoting alt-rights because of the thought “the birth of children and the family is good” or where yaoi and yuri fanservice are called “LGBT-friendly content". |
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RobertBobert said: jal90 said: While this has certainly happened before (that Comic Girls PV by one of the ANN writers was a special kind of bad) and people often don't realize that women can write problematic or controversial stuff as well, in this case the ones who are constantly bringing up the author's assumed gender to try to prove something are the defenders. There's a bit of post in your bias. Well, I found out about this problem from ANN, where one of the stuff directly tried to link the author’s alleged male gender to the fact that he was allegedly a woman-hater, an anti-feminist and sexist. In this case, the alleged sex was used as an analogue of "you criticize goverment, maybe you are a traitor?" However, ANN has long been a rather specific place where a show can be accused of promoting alt-rights because of the thought “the birth of children and the family is good” or where yaoi and yuri fanservice are called “LGBT-friendly content". I don't defend ANN in this aspect of gendering authors because as said there's the Comic Girls example. But saying that an author is a mysoginist, anti-feminist and sexist =/= saying that the author is a man. And that's the point here, women can be mysoginistic and anti-feminist as well, and this "but the author is a woman" responds to absolutely nothing. And as said, you are making it look like it's a problem of one side when it's the other the one that is constantly bringing it in this case. Edit.- Oh, I misread. Well, if somebody in ANN assumed the author's gender, that's about as bad. |
jal90Jan 15, 2019 6:45 AM
| THere is noting misogynist about this show Portraying an evil woman lying about rape is not misogynist. And it does happen in real life. |
| @jal90 It seemed to this guy that the premise of “a woman accusing a average poor guy of rape” is somehow the “anti-feminist, toxic memes of angry boys,” so he suggested that the author of the original LN is a sexist bro. The following text was a wall of text, where he tried to come up with reasons for why to portray false rape is unacceptable and why Japanese authors should think about the current political discourse in the United States. My personal opinion is that the pros and cons of the human person does not depend on their gender. |
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Shocku_ said: >misogynist >gender >false rape accusations ??? can we please stop? dont like it ? dont watch it ... these SJWs need to get stopped seriously. If I were an author or director I would specifically create works that trigger people just to see their reactions. Society right now is so stupid. "Don't like it, don't watch it" is not a real argument, also in most modern LNs the main character is a mary sue/gary stu, which oftens means they're an (more or less) exaggerated image of the author. I think that makes critizing series with a problematic protagonist quite valid. |
thepath said: THere is noting misogynist about this show Portraying an evil woman lying about rape is not misogynist. And it does happen in real life. I really don't think it's about a woman lying about rape as much as it's about a guy who gets betrayed by a woman with agency, buying a slave girl harem (I'm sorry, I realized fanboys don't like that word) posse because they won't betray him. You have to realize that with just the context of one episode available to adaptation-only watchers, that's some creepy undertones. The reasons and explanations brought up by LN readers doesn't detract from that. Poor setup and execution, frankly. Rank amateur writing. Maybe it'll pick up. Maybe it won't. I don't think so and I'm not going to waste time finding out. Dropped. I'll leave this battle to @Eanki. He's the one mildly concerned about the isekai bubble and the flood of amateur authors and adaptations that's going to poison the isekai wellspring and deter investments in isekai works in the future because everybody is officially done with them, leading to the rank garbage isekai works taking down with them the competent works when the isekai bubble bursts. EDIT: Also, I'm just going to chime in to the thread topic. Women can be misogynistic asses who would still, in this day and age, discourage girls from certain career paths perceived as the province of male academics and have some fucked up expectations of gender roles. |
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MerryJellyFish said: What are they suppose to do? Info dump it all in the first episode/chapter?thepath said: THere is noting misogynist about this show Portraying an evil woman lying about rape is not misogynist. And it does happen in real life. I really don't think it's about a woman lying about rape as much as it's about a guy who gets betrayed by a woman with agency, buying a slave girl harem (I'm sorry, I realized fanboys don't like that word) posse because they won't betray him. You have to realize that with just the context of one episode available to adaptation-only watchers, that's some creepy undertones. The reasons and explanations brought up by LN readers doesn't detract from that. Poor setup and execution, frankly. Rank amateur writing. Maybe it'll pick up. Maybe it won't. I don't think so and I'm not going to waste time finding out. Dropped. I'll leave this battle to @Eanki. He's the one mildly concerned about the isekai bubble and the flood of amateur authors and adaptations that's going to poison the isekai wellspring and deter investments in isekai works in the future because everybody is officially done with them, leading to the rank garbage isekai works taking down with them the competent works when the isekai bubble bursts. EDIT: Also, I'm just going to chime in to the thread topic. Women can be misogynistic asses who would still, in this day and age, discourage girls from certain career paths perceived as the province of male academics and have some fucked up expectations of gender roles. Or at least that's how I'm reading it, correct me if I'm wrong. |
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AshitaNoJonas said: Shocku_ said: >misogynist >gender >false rape accusations ??? can we please stop? dont like it ? dont watch it ... these SJWs need to get stopped seriously. If I were an author or director I would specifically create works that trigger people just to see their reactions. Society right now is so stupid. "Don't like it, don't watch it" is not a real argument, also in most modern LNs the main character is a mary sue/gary stu, which oftens means they're an (more or less) exaggerated image of the author. I think that makes critizing series with a problematic protagonist quite valid. Even if he doesn't seem like one at the beginning. They are just kicking him around so he can outshine everyone else and look even more badass--which is just lazy writing. |
VeryLTTP said: Even if the author is actually female, I feel that pointing out that she's a woman is a weak counterargument against the claims that the series is "misogynist". An unfounded, immature argument with no basis or substance doesn't require a strong counterpoint. You get back what you put in. |
on AshitaNoJonas said: Shocku_ said: >misogynist >gender >false rape accusations ??? can we please stop? dont like it ? dont watch it ... these SJWs need to get stopped seriously. If I were an author or director I would specifically create works that trigger people just to see their reactions. Society right now is so stupid. "Don't like it, don't watch it" is not a real argument, also in most modern LNs the main character is a mary sue/gary stu, which oftens means they're an (more or less) exaggerated image of the author. I think that makes critizing series with a problematic protagonist quite valid. So what is problematic about being a victim? Victim blaming much there pal? |
AshitaNoJonas said: Shocku_ said: >misogynist >gender >false rape accusations ??? can we please stop? dont like it ? dont watch it ... these SJWs need to get stopped seriously. If I were an author or director I would specifically create works that trigger people just to see their reactions. Society right now is so stupid. "Don't like it, don't watch it" is not a real argument, also in most modern LNs the main character is a mary sue/gary stu, which oftens means they're an (more or less) exaggerated image of the author. I think that makes critizing series with a problematic protagonist quite valid. nobody is forcing the people hating on the show to watch the series. instead of making a drama out of it, people could, you know, be mature about it and just not watch it. as for the main protagonist being an "exxagerated image" of the author....i think you need a Better Source to back that argument. and before you add, no, the author gender is completely irrelevant. |
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