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Why are so many anime set in the 1930s? (and so few in the 50s/60s?)

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Jan 6, 2019 12:03 AM
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Why are so many anime set in the 1930s/"between the wars" period?

Baccano, Night Raid 1931, Porco Rosso, Gosick, 91 Days, Chrno Crusade, Kaze no Yojimbo, Joker Game, Christie no Meitantei Poirot to Marple, a lot of Aoi Bungako. Stretch it to WW2 and you can add The Cockpit, The Wind Rises, Grave of the Fireflies, Barefoot Gen, Hetalia and Pumpkin Scissors, too.

But then for the 50s 60s and 70s, there's virtually none. For the 50s all i can think of is Rainbow and From up on Poppy Hill, and 60s has Kids on the Slope (edit- just remembered Lupin III, but that was written in the 60s, set in the writer's present day, so it's kinda different). And post-70s anime set in the 70s? I'm drawing a total blank (I'm sure there must be some I'm missing, but as many as for the 30s?)

Why is anime so obsessed with the 30s? Even the oldest directors weren't even born til WW2 or later. And why don't they set anything in the post-war boom years, like 50s/60s/70s-obsessed western boomer media did?
Apollo18Jan 6, 2019 12:14 AM
Jan 6, 2019 12:20 AM
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Brigadoon: Marin and Melan takes place in 1969.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/1450/Brigadoon__Marin_to_Melan

But that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.
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Jan 6, 2019 12:24 AM
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The scenes depicting the childhood memories of the protagonitst in Only Yesterday (and these parts take up nearly half of the movie's runtime) are set in the 1960s, and - if I remember correctly - a good part of Millennium Actress is set in the 50s/60s/70s too.

PS: I almost forgot to mention that a good part of Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu is set in the 1960s to early 1970s.
IshitatesoJan 6, 2019 12:39 AM
Jan 6, 2019 12:28 AM
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Remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Those were not the good old days
Jan 6, 2019 12:48 AM
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Japan was opening up to the world, and establishing itself around the Meiji and Taisho periods (1860s-1930s), so Japan would think of that era fondly.

Around the Showa period (1930s-1980s) Japan stumbled with World War 2, but effectively rebuilt itself around the 50s-60s. Those were hard times, and I think Japan doesn't want to relive those times with an anime adaptation set then.
Jan 6, 2019 1:11 AM
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Titadou said:
Remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Those were not the good old days


But they have plenty of stuff about that- Barefoot Gen and Grave of the Fireflies are in Japan's ton ten grossing films of all-time IIRC, and there are at last a half dozen anime about WW2 or the immediate recovery, including light-hearted comedies like Hetalia or feel-good nostalgia like Poppy Hill.

But post-war were boom years for Japan, going from a mostly rural, agricultural economy to an industrilaized, wealthy, high tech juggernaut. I get that US occupation and the memory of losing WW2 might leave a sour taste, but still, I'd have thought all that stuff, mixed in with the rapid growth and wealth, might still make for some interesting stories
Jan 6, 2019 1:21 AM
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There are a few stories - serious stories - about rebuilding Japan in the 50s-60s - San Chome no Yuhi, In This Corner of the World, and the mentioned Barefoot Gen.

But there isn't enough. I can't really blame Japan for avoiding post-WW2 stories.
Jan 7, 2019 2:41 AM
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Most people fail to realize how much anime culture is rooted in old traditions.

KanColle was first made in the 30's.



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Jan 7, 2019 7:49 AM
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A great question! Lets see if I can offer some insight to this. I majored in Japanese history back in the day, but post-war era (and its film history) are certainly not my field of specialty.

First thing to realize is that anime is far different from Japanese film and television. I think Japanese film industry and television certainly depicted and continue to depict these decades. When I think of post-war Showa-era films and television in Japan there are of course Kurosawa with his samurai movies, but more than that I remember Yasujiro Ozu with his depiction of real people and their troubles, Kenji Mizoguchi with his societal critique or Otoko wa Tsurai yo -type of everyday life and its misfortunes films. Anime except something like Shouwa monogatari, Sazae-san or Tonari no Yamada-kun doesn't really follow the same themes.

Economical realities in making historical series
To get back to the question. As you say, not many historical dramas in anime take place in 60's and 70's. This is mainly due to the fact that there aren't too many historical anime in the first place. Anime is difficult and expensive to make which is why most of the time only the most popular manga/ranobe/etc. get an anime adaptation. As a historian I am sad to say, but historical manga is rarely ever popular enough to get an adaptation. This is why a lot of historical manga never get an anime adaptation and the ones that get published often are tales pre-Showa Japan.

"Why not make a historical series of the post-war era then?", you ask. Another great question. The simple answer of course is that there are series made about the subject (Rainbow being one of the best historical anime ever made). The reason why there are fewer compared to Sengoku-, Edo- or Meiji-era is simply because 1950's&1960's aren't as hot topics (from historical point of view) as the older time periods are. Many people want to watch historical dramas because history holds a sort of 'fantasy series' type of feeling for the viewer. The series tell a tale about era which the viewer never experienced a tale about a historical landscape far different from our own. The closer the time period is to our own the less fantastical it feels. Something like Rainbow certainly feels shocking for our contemporary Japanese, because it differs so much from everyday life that they live (just like "Soredemo boku wa yattenai" shocked Japan in 2007).

There of course might be multiple other reasons such as: if the time period is too close to or own many of the viewers might be turned off because the subject matter hits too close to home. This can be a good or a bad thing, but because people who fund anime (mainly manga/ranobe companies such as Kadokawa/Kodansha) try to maximum the profits and reduce the risks as low as possible they won't give funds for projects that won't reach as wide audience as possible.

Things like samurais, Meiji/Taisho-era and their fashion, WW2 and political turmoil during Bakumatsu have already their established viewers so its easier to anticipate certain level of viewers by simply offering a new series about the same era. Same can not be said about post-war Shouwa.

History of 1950's-1970's impacts many different anime

Yes, like you mentioned there are a few series already which are set in 60's&70's. I'd like to name a few more: Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, Ushiro no Shoumen Daare, Shouwa Monogatari as well as few others. However even if we listed them all, the list would still be numerically lacking and the series in there would be too obscure to make a real difference.

However! The era from 1950's to 1970's hold an important significance in Japanese history as a political era. In the west we have a far different point-of-view to that era than the Japanese have. For us the post-war Japan represents an economical miracle and growth to prosperity. For many Japanese it represents a bitter history. Economical growth at the cost of environment, growing income inequality in the name of individualism, harsh poverty for millions, transformation from imperial era to corrupt de facto one party politics, U.S. supremacy over nations own foreign policies & military matters. Etc.

1950's and 1960's in Japanese history are defined by its activist movements. Environment movement, anti-nuclear movement, socialist activism in 50's, anti-war movement and of course university student activism. Assassination of prime minister Inejiro Asanuma and the public seppuku by author Yukio Mishima were era defining moments.

Especially the anti-war, anti-nuclear and environment movements have inspired multiple authors to make anime about them. Hayao Miyazaki being one of them. For example Tonari no Totoro takes place in 1958 in a rural beautiful landscape, but like in most Miyazaki-films there is an underlying critique towards modernization. That beautiful landscape was bulldozed and made in to a concrete jungle in the 1970's and now only Miyazakis film reminds of us what used to be there before the concrete apartment buildings.

The subtle (and often not so subtle) environment critique can be found everywhere in anime. If we think about anime made during the time period Uchuu Senkan Yamato certainly is one of the most prominent representatives of the national feelings towards anti-nuclear & pro-environment agenda. The series pawed way for other classics such as anti-war themed original Mobile Suit Gundam by Yoshiyuki Tomino. And of course outside anime things like Godzilla and other kaijuu-films warned us about the dangers of pollution and nuclear power.

Modern anime creators have watched these fictions and even though the anti-war/pro-environment Sci-Fi & fantasy series's are not set in 60's or 70's they often straight up parallel the real historical events through the lens of fiction . Chikyuu Shoujo Arjuna's creator Shouji Kawamori is one of the directors who grew up during environment activist era and has picked up a lot of things from his predecessors.
Jan 8, 2019 3:48 AM
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Gorim said:
A great question! Lets see if I can offer some insight to this. I majored in Japanese history back in the day, but post-war era (and its film history) are certainly not my field of specialty.

First thing to realize is that anime is far different from Japanese film and television. I think Japanese film industry and television certainly depicted and continue to depict these decades. When I think of post-war Showa-era films and television in Japan there are of course Kurosawa with his samurai movies, but more than that I remember Yasujiro Ozu with his depiction of real people and their troubles, Kenji Mizoguchi with his societal critique or Otoko wa Tsurai yo -type of everyday life and its misfortunes films. Anime except something like Shouwa monogatari, Sazae-san or Tonari no Yamada-kun doesn't really follow the same themes.

Economical realities in making historical series
To get back to the question. As you say, not many historical dramas in anime take place in 60's and 70's. This is mainly due to the fact that there aren't too many historical anime in the first place. Anime is difficult and expensive to make which is why most of the time only the most popular manga/ranobe/etc. get an anime adaptation. As a historian I am sad to say, but historical manga is rarely ever popular enough to get an adaptation. This is why a lot of historical manga never get an anime adaptation and the ones that get published often are tales pre-Showa Japan.

"Why not make a historical series of the post-war era then?", you ask. Another great question. The simple answer of course is that there are series made about the subject (Rainbow being one of the best historical anime ever made). The reason why there are fewer compared to Sengoku-, Edo- or Meiji-era is simply because 1950's&1960's aren't as hot topics (from historical point of view) as the older time periods are. Many people want to watch historical dramas because history holds a sort of 'fantasy series' type of feeling for the viewer. The series tell a tale about era which the viewer never experienced a tale about a historical landscape far different from our own. The closer the time period is to our own the less fantastical it feels. Something like Rainbow certainly feels shocking for our contemporary Japanese, because it differs so much from everyday life that they live (just like "Soredemo boku wa yattenai" shocked Japan in 2007).

There of course might be multiple other reasons such as: if the time period is too close to or own many of the viewers might be turned off because the subject matter hits too close to home. This can be a good or a bad thing, but because people who fund anime (mainly manga/ranobe companies such as Kadokawa/Kodansha) try to maximum the profits and reduce the risks as low as possible they won't give funds for projects that won't reach as wide audience as possible.

Things like samurais, Meiji/Taisho-era and their fashion, WW2 and political turmoil during Bakumatsu have already their established viewers so its easier to anticipate certain level of viewers by simply offering a new series about the same era. Same can not be said about post-war Shouwa.

History of 1950's-1970's impacts many different anime

Yes, like you mentioned there are a few series already which are set in 60's&70's. I'd like to name a few more: Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, Ushiro no Shoumen Daare, Shouwa Monogatari as well as few others. However even if we listed them all, the list would still be numerically lacking and the series in there would be too obscure to make a real difference.

However! The era from 1950's to 1970's hold an important significance in Japanese history as a political era. In the west we have a far different point-of-view to that era than the Japanese have. For us the post-war Japan represents an economical miracle and growth to prosperity. For many Japanese it represents a bitter history. Economical growth at the cost of environment, growing income inequality in the name of individualism, harsh poverty for millions, transformation from imperial era to corrupt de facto one party politics, U.S. supremacy over nations own foreign policies & military matters. Etc.

1950's and 1960's in Japanese history are defined by its activist movements. Environment movement, anti-nuclear movement, socialist activism in 50's, anti-war movement and of course university student activism. Assassination of prime minister Inejiro Asanuma and the public seppuku by author Yukio Mishima were era defining moments.

Especially the anti-war, anti-nuclear and environment movements have inspired multiple authors to make anime about them. Hayao Miyazaki being one of them. For example Tonari no Totoro takes place in 1958 in a rural beautiful landscape, but like in most Miyazaki-films there is an underlying critique towards modernization. That beautiful landscape was bulldozed and made in to a concrete jungle in the 1970's and now only Miyazakis film reminds of us what used to be there before the concrete apartment buildings.

The subtle (and often not so subtle) environment critique can be found everywhere in anime. If we think about anime made during the time period Uchuu Senkan Yamato certainly is one of the most prominent representatives of the national feelings towards anti-nuclear & pro-environment agenda. The series pawed way for other classics such as anti-war themed original Mobile Suit Gundam by Yoshiyuki Tomino. And of course outside anime things like Godzilla and other kaijuu-films warned us about the dangers of pollution and nuclear power.

Modern anime creators have watched these fictions and even though the anti-war/pro-environment Sci-Fi & fantasy series's are not set in 60's or 70's they often straight up parallel the real historical events through the lens of fiction . Chikyuu Shoujo Arjuna's creator Shouji Kawamori is one of the directors who grew up during environment activist era and has picked up a lot of things from his predecessors.


Wow, amazing response- thanks for your insights, so much interesting info in there.

Yeah, I guess I was looking at that post-war period through the Western lens of "economic growth, boom times", which probably a lot easier perspective to have if you win the war. Actually I just finished watching Arjuna, with it's heavy-handed environmental message (and amazing art), but you've given me a new perspective on it.

Jan 8, 2019 4:09 AM
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Didn't study much history myself but it's not just stuff set in the 1930s post/pre war era, it's stuff like Tanya the evil and FMA that take a lot of ques from European war era stuff, particularly when Europe essentially became an axis power under Germany (Japan was also an axis power, but was more involved with fighting America)

I don't think it's anything quite like using another country that was also an axis power, but rather that they have interest in the war era, there's a lot you can do with it as the audience would already know of a conflict, and well have you seen how anime does military costumes? Japan just looks really good at designing them, though quite a few come from ww2 and pre ww2, let's just say early 20th century for that.

You could find all sorts of stuff based or set in the '30s, but yea 60s/70s era history seems more interesting from western culture than it does for the East

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