Mawootad said: [rant] This sort of stuff really pisses me off. Stories are not good because they have metaphor, symbols and allegory. They aren't good because they make statements about life. They aren't good because they have some sort of meaning other than the one obviously presented. Stories are good because they're entertaining. If the story has reread/rewatch value due to intellectualism, better for it, but it should not be the entire raison d'etre. [/rant] To be fair, I don't think he's referring to everyone who doesn't like FLCL. Just people who pass it off as random nonsense like excel saga. It's one thing to dislike it for what it is, and another thing to have the whole thing go over your head, and assume it's nothing but wackiness. I would agree with him in that it's sad so many people have such an opinion of FLCL when it's actually pretty straightforward and obvious with what it's trying to say. anyway, Overrated: Trigun - melodrama and infantile philosphical debates. Elfen Lied - racked with rather nasty fetishes, melodramatic and oddly pretentious. Underrated: Niea_7, Porco Rosso. |
ace52387 said: Mawootad said: [rant] This sort of stuff really pisses me off. Stories are not good because they have metaphor, symbols and allegory. They aren't good because they make statements about life. They aren't good because they have some sort of meaning other than the one obviously presented. Stories are good because they're entertaining. If the story has reread/rewatch value due to intellectualism, better for it, but it should not be the entire raison d'etre. [/rant] To be fair, I don't think he's referring to everyone who doesn't like FLCL. Just people who pass it off as random nonsense like excel saga. It's one thing to dislike it for what it is, and another thing to have the whole thing go over your head, and assume it's nothing but wackiness. I would agree with him in that it's sad so many people have such an opinion of FLCL when it's actually pretty straightforward and obvious with what it's trying to say. anyway, Overrated: Trigun - melodrama and infantile philosphical debates. Elfen Lied - racked with rather nasty fetishes, melodramatic and oddly pretentious. Underrated: Niea_7, Porco Rosso. Lol "nasty fetishes". |
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antitype said: Haylias said: Elfen Lied isn't overrated due to gore, it's because it is pandering, pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Truth. Underrated: Kemonozume, Kaiba, Mind Game, Now and Then, Here and There... Overrated: 99% of anime. Fandumb is fail. People who can't grasp the simple symbolism in shows like FLCL (and can only interpret it as random nonsense) should just stay off the internet and go drool in the corner with their crash helmets on. Plus points for being a stuck up prick. |
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Baman said: Mawootad said: I would say the same about entertainment as well. A story is no where near good if it's only entertaining.This sort of stuff really pisses me off. Stories are not good because they have metaphor, symbols and allegory. They aren't good because they make statements about life. They aren't good because they have some sort of meaning other than the one obviously presented. Stories are good because they're entertaining. If the story has reread/rewatch value due to intellectualism, better for it, but it should not be the entire raison d'etre. For a story to be good, it needs to be well written, entertainment only play a minor role their. For a series in overall to be good, I'd attribute more weight to entertainment, but then again, if all the other factors weigh heavily enough, it doesn't need to be entertaining. If a story is so full of plot holes that it brings pain to the viewer or if the plot is so exceedingly obvious that it robs all enjoyment from the viewer, then the story is no longer entertaining. ace52387 said: To be fair, I don't think he's referring to everyone who doesn't like FLCL. Just people who pass it off as random nonsense like excel saga. It's one thing to dislike it for what it is, and another thing to have the whole thing go over your head, and assume it's nothing but wackiness. I would agree with him in that it's sad so many people have such an opinion of FLCL when it's actually pretty straightforward and obvious with what it's trying to say. FLCL is random nonsense. Period. Just because it has meaning doesn't make it less random or nonsensical. For a similar case, see Alice in Wonderland (the book). |
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Mawootad said: Baman said: Mawootad said: I would say the same about entertainment as well. A story is no where near good if it's only entertaining.This sort of stuff really pisses me off. Stories are not good because they have metaphor, symbols and allegory. They aren't good because they make statements about life. They aren't good because they have some sort of meaning other than the one obviously presented. Stories are good because they're entertaining. If the story has reread/rewatch value due to intellectualism, better for it, but it should not be the entire raison d'etre. For a story to be good, it needs to be well written, entertainment only play a minor role their. For a series in overall to be good, I'd attribute more weight to entertainment, but then again, if all the other factors weigh heavily enough, it doesn't need to be entertaining. If a story is so full of plot holes that it brings pain to the viewer or if the plot is so exceedingly obvious that it robs all enjoyment from the viewer, then the story is no longer entertaining. ace52387 said: To be fair, I don't think he's referring to everyone who doesn't like FLCL. Just people who pass it off as random nonsense like excel saga. It's one thing to dislike it for what it is, and another thing to have the whole thing go over your head, and assume it's nothing but wackiness. I would agree with him in that it's sad so many people have such an opinion of FLCL when it's actually pretty straightforward and obvious with what it's trying to say. FLCL is random nonsense. Period. Just because it has meaning doesn't make it less random or nonsensical. For a similar case, see Alice in Wonderland (the book). I hate to say it, but I disagree on the FLCL statement, I found that the so called "random and nonsensical" elements helped to augment the message the guys at Gainax were trying to convey. And, also, don't put a period as though just because you said it, it's true. That's fairly conceited. As for writing, yeah, that and characters are what put anime like Evangelion, Top wo Nerae, and Legend of Galactic Heroes on a "higher level" than other shows imo. But, I also don't think it's good to expect every anime to be like that because you'd be dissapointed and, frankly, not every anime has to be deep on the psychological and philosophical level like my examples. Back on topic, I'm finding Minami- ke Okaeri to be underrated. I think it is just as good as the first, so far. I actually think the entire Minami - ke franchise has good writing and characters , especially the first and third seasons. |
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insan3soldiern said: I hate to say it, but I disagree on the FLCL statement, I found that the so called "random and nonsensical" elements helped to augment the message the guys at Gainax were trying to convey. And, also, don't put a period as though just because you said it, it's true. That's fairly conceited. I wholeheartedly agree with the random and nonsensical elements helping the message. And I will gladly point out that most of the show is highly symbolic and full of meaning. By saying that it's nonsense, I don't mean that it's meaningless noise just put in for the sake of being humorous, I mean that it's very non-sequitur and very dream-like (I've heard of interpretations that the whole series takes place inside Naota's head). Sorry if that wasn't clear. Also: ace52387 said: QFTUnderrated: Niea_7 |
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Mawootad said: (I've heard of interpretations that the whole series takes place inside Naota's head). Sorry if that wasn't clear. I hope that didn't spoil anything. |
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cartier-ngo said: Mawootad said: (I've heard of interpretations that the whole series takes place inside Naota's head). Sorry if that wasn't clear. I hope that didn't spoil anything. No, it didn't. Your safe. |
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Mawootad said: I wholeheartedly agree with the random and nonsensical elements helping the message. And I will gladly point out that most of the show is highly symbolic and full of meaning. By saying that it's nonsense, I don't mean that it's meaningless noise just put in for the sake of being humorous, I mean that it's very non-sequitur and very dream-like (I've heard of interpretations that the whole series takes place inside Naota's head). Sorry if that wasn't clear. It's not really dream like, nor is it nonsensical. What you're describing might be something like Cat Soup or Mind Game, where there's symbolism and philosophical themes in an incoherent story, but FLCL, for the most part, has a straightforward plot (parts of episodes might be odd, but everything is cleared up eventually). It's actually pretty easy to sum up, and any interpretations involving reality bending are just stretches. Most of the interpretation discussion involves its messages about adolescence and its symbolism, not its plot. People see the humor (which often relies of non sequiturs), and the strangeness of the story and pass it off as incoherent. |
ace52387 said: ...Mawootad said: I wholeheartedly agree with the random and nonsensical elements helping the message. And I will gladly point out that most of the show is highly symbolic and full of meaning. By saying that it's nonsense, I don't mean that it's meaningless noise just put in for the sake of being humorous, I mean that it's very non-sequitur and very dream-like (I've heard of interpretations that the whole series takes place inside Naota's head). Sorry if that wasn't clear. It's not really dream like, nor is it nonsensical. What you're describing might be something like Cat Soup or Mind Game, where there's symbolism and philosophical themes in an incoherent story, but FLCL, for the most part, has a straightforward plot (parts of episodes might be odd, but everything is cleared up eventually). It's actually pretty easy to sum up, and any interpretations involving reality bending are just stretches. Most of the interpretation discussion involves its messages about adolescence and its symbolism, not its plot. People see the humor (which often relies of non sequiturs), and the strangeness of the story and pass it off as incoherent. Once again, I am not saying that the FLCL has no plot. What I am saying is that FLCL is undeniably highly surreal (to an extent that it feels like a dream, imo). |
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PrincessCupcake said: I liked Master Keaton but have yet to find another one that feels the same. we're few and far between, but we do exist, it's an underrated for sure. |
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Rodness said: Underrated: Elfen Lied (It deserves a higher score on several anime websites!) What? Give me one good reason. |
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| overrated - cowboy bebop and neon genesis evangelion sorry people, i just don't get the hype surrounding them especially cowboy bebop. |
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| I'll throw in some more. Overrated: Neon Genesis Evangelion - Shouldn't character pathologies be a little more subtle? Also, i find Rei disgusting. Afro Samurai - one of the few things i find to be utter crap. It has a novel look, but it's not exactly well animated, and it almost tries to be as vapid as possible. Kannagi - I don't get it... Underrated: Tsukikage Ran - it has a classic look, but surprisingly passable animation for a TV series. All the action scenes are fully animated, no cut outs, black screens or still screens. Its simple take on the ills and very straightforward humor makes it easy to watch. Final Fantasy VII: The Spirits Within - I don't think this is as bad as some people say. It's foolishly named Final Fantasy, but it's not a horrible movie overall. The ending is kind of bleh though. IGPX - A concise shounen sports anime, and for what seems like the first time ever, the main character isn't an underdog who's unaware of his own talents, nor is he a trash talking loud mouth. He's a smug little brat. Blood: The Last Vampire - It's not wonderful overall, but I think it should be recognized more for its action. It doesn't have a single drawn out fight scene, yet it's action is both gorgeous and dramatic. |
unellmay said: ace52387 said: I'll throw in some more. Underrated: Final Fantasy VII: The Spirits Within - I don't think this is as bad as some people say. It's foolishly named Final Fantasy, but it's not a horrible movie overall. The ending is kind of bleh though. Fail My gosh you're right. your well structured reasoning made me see the light. You know what, i take back my opinion. SuWern said: There's actually a FFVII : The Spirits Within?! I didn't know about that, better check it out XD It's not like any of the Final Fantasy games so if you watch it with that expectation you'll be disappointed. Think of it more like a Hollywood sci-fi movie. |
unellmay said: Puni said: This season: Great: Bakemonogatari Shit: Taishou Yakyuu Musume and Sora no Manimani Fixed your spelling mistake Implying that pretentious shit is great. Also, Gurren Lagann, Haruhi Suzumiya, and Naruto are shit too. |
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Puni said: unellmay said: Puni said: This season: Great: Bakemonogatari Shit: Taishou Yakyuu Musume and Sora no Manimani Fixed your spelling mistake Implying that pretentious shit is great. Also, Gurren Lagann, Haruhi Suzumiya, and Naruto are shit too. I was about to argue but then My gosh you're right. your well structured reasoning made me see the light. You know what, i take back my opinion. SuWern said: There's actually a FFVII : The Spirits Within?! I didn't know about that, better check it out XD It's not like any of the Final Fantasy games so if you watch it with that expectation you'll be disappointed. Think of it more like a Hollywood sci-fi movie. 1 Good 2 he's making fun of the fact you said FF7 it has nothing to do with FF7 |
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classicalzawa said: PrincessCupcake said: I liked Master Keaton but have yet to find another one that feels the same. we're few and far between, but we do exist, it's an underrated for sure. Agreed, I watched that show for the Critics club here on MAL and was impressed by Master Keaton, and usually dislike episodic shows. |
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Rodness said: Overrated: Naruto: Shippuuden, One Piece, Bleach (Actually I've just seen Naruto: Shippuuden of those, but I still think the other two is overrated... maybe it is because I'm not a big fan of Shounen.) Underrated: Elfen Lied (It deserves a higher score on several anime websites!) How? Wait nevermind. I see you never read the manga. |
| For me, overrated- cowboy bebop (the series is episodic and I find no greatness plotwise; the anime itself has no solid plot. I've never read the manga, so maybe all about spike's past and some other things i want to know more are revealed in manga. So, the manga may have a definite and interesting plot. Here i m jst talking about anime) underrated - elfen lied (I admit the anime ended abruptly and unpleasantly.Besides, I also know there are some flaws and many unexplained things. But after I read the manga, Elfen lied becomes my favorite. What I want to say is that although anime has some flaws due to limitations- it is forced to end at episode 13 cuz at that time manga is still unfinished and the ending becomes shabby, the whole story of elfen lied (anime+manga) is quite a concise and emotionally powerful story, and hence it deserves a better rating on some sites.) :P |
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ace52387 said: Final Fantasy VII: The Spirits Within - I don't think this is as bad as some people say. It's foolishly named Final Fantasy, but it's not a horrible movie overall. The ending is kind of bleh though. I thought I was the only one, haha. You said exactly what I was about to post up, very odd. For me it is the only enjoyable Final Fantasy movie, but, just as you mentioned, "Final Fantasy" doesn't even belong in the title... A much better movie than people make it out to be, but it of course has its obvious flaws. |
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Deadpool135 said: All the series I've watched so far have flaw. but it, of course, has some obvious flaws. But yeah I agree, it's not really Final Fantasy but it still a good movie neverthless. |
HooHiraiBunny said: Deadpool135 said: All the series I've watched so far have flaw. but it, of course, has some obvious flaws. But yeah I agree, it's not really Final Fantasy but it still a good movie neverthless. Of course, everything has flaws. It just depends on if a particular series can overcome them, that is what actually matters. |
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exospectral said: For me, overrated- cowboy bebop (the series is episodic and I find no greatness plotwise; the anime itself has no solid plot. I've never read the manga, so maybe all about spike's past and some other things i want to know more are revealed in manga. So, the manga may have a definite and interesting plot. Here i m jst talking about anime) underrated - elfen lied (I admit the anime ended abruptly and unpleasantly.Besides, I also know there are some flaws and many unexplained things. But after I read the manga, Elfen lied becomes my favorite. What I want to say is that although anime has some flaws due to limitations- it is forced to end at episode 13 cuz at that time manga is still unfinished and the ending becomes shabby, the whole story of elfen lied (anime+manga) is quite a concise and emotionally powerful story, and hence it deserves a better rating on some sites.) :P The manga is completely different. It's also not canon since the anime was the original. Elfen Lied anime sucks because they cut it short. Even putting in fillers would have been better than ending it the way they did. |
Drunk_SamuraiSep 18, 2009 1:05 PM
| I am going to say Chaos Head for overrated. This series tried it's hardest to make it self sound intellectual but all it was filled with was insanely long rants about delusions, with big words thrown in there to throw of the viewers. Over the top di-sword designs and an overall un engaging plot, and just a moe explosion... I will admit that i am one of the few people that actually likes Takumi character and he is the only one to actually go through any sort of development. |
burntlettuce said: I am going to say Chaos Head for overrated. This series tried it's hardest to make it self sound intellectual but all it was filled with was insanely long rants about delusions, with big words thrown in there to throw of the viewers. Over the top di-sword designs and an overall un engaging plot, and just a moe explosion... I will admit that i am one of the few people that actually likes Takumi character and he is the only one to actually go through any sort of development. I heard it was one of those horrible anime that didn't do their VN counterpart justice. |
Amex_Yohko said: This one need to be in spoiler tag as its offensive nature... .......uh yeah I love those shows |
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sis_zety said: i think shangri la is underrated... That's a pretty cool show to new to be deciding if it's underrated though |
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| This is pretty funny. I read 3 pages of this post and noticed 3 things: 1. You guys seem to think that Overrated means "Other people liked it but I didn't" 2. You all think Underrated means "I loved it but everyone else thought it was crap" 3. People who like 1 overrated anime seem to like them all. Mostly i'm talking about the of Bleach, Naruto, DBZ crowd. |
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Amex_Yohko said: This one need to be in spoiler tag as its offensive nature... Not in your list. |
Drunk_Samurai said: So?Not in your list. |
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HooHiraiBunny said: Drunk_Samurai said: So?Not in your list. It most likely means they didn't watch it then. |
Drunk_Samurai said: No. HooHiraiBunny said: Drunk_Samurai said: So?Not in your list. It most likely means they didn't watch it then. It just that it's not on his list. |
HooHiraiBunny said: Drunk_Samurai said: No. HooHiraiBunny said: Drunk_Samurai said: So?Not in your list. It most likely means they didn't watch it then. It just that it's not on his list. Nope. It most likely means they didn't watch it. Many people call something overrated without even having watched it. |
Drunk_Samurai said: It mostly means nothing, it mostly means that he haven't added it on his list. Nope. It most likely means they didn't watch it. Many people call something overrated without even having watched it. And because many people call something overrated without even having watched it, that he's obliously one them? Lol what a logic, I love it. |
HooHiraiBunny said: Drunk_Samurai said: It mostly means nothing, it mostly means that he haven't added it on his list. Nope. It most likely means they didn't watch it. Many people call something overrated without even having watched it. And because many people call something overrated without even having watched it, that he's obliously one them? Lol what a logic, I love it. Nope. It mostly means they they didn't watch it. I never said obviously is one. I said most likely is one. |
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