| The thing with fanservice in anime is that it is often just that, rather than being a part of a character's personality (Faye Valentine is a fantastic example of this), a way to explore a theme (however poorly Darling in the FranXX is doing this, it's doing it) or being a comment on society in some form. Cheap fanservice obstructs good storytelling. Good fanservice/sexualization has a point and enhances the story it's in rather than cheapening it. There are plenty of brilliant anime out there that don't need fanservice to be great either, which is why people are so negative about it in discussion. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood has very little fanservice and is arguably one of the best anime of all time, Cowboy Bebop uses fanservice in a way that builds upon its story rather than detracting from it, Tsumiki no Ie tells a moving and powerful story in 12 minutes without a single hint of fanservice, and Made in Abyss is a classic in the making-- all without fanservice. TLDR: to expand on my post earlier, it needs to be something more than fanservice for the sake of fanservice, nor is fanservice necessary for a show to be great. |
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Claptrap said: The sexualization that occurs towards female characters treats them as non-characters essentially. There is so much fanservice in their narratives that frankly, a normal person cannot take a story with that sexualization seriously because the characters have becomes tools to present boobs to you rather than having a consistent narrative. I don't know what anime you're watching, but I have yet to see one with a soul-less/mindless robot-like female that walks around just so we can see boobs. I'll admit that there are some "eye candy" characters that have a really shallow personality with little to no backstory or development, but any perceived sexualization isn't what made them that way. Now if you can show me a sexualized female that is an anime-only character that wasn't ever in the source, then I'd be inclined to agree with you. Claptrap said: You like ecchi and have bouncing anime boobs as your avatar. So it's kind of like, yeah of course you like it. But a large amount of people don't want it and it does make for poor storytelling. It's fine if you like it but a large amount of people aren't going to agree because in any given narrative it's not interesting and does make it so people can't take the story seriously. There's also a large amount of people who will agree with me that it IS wanted/appreciated and doesn't detract from the storytelling. Claptrap said: There's a large difference between 'using sex as a serious storytelling element' and 'some girls boobs bounce in a way no humans breasts move'/'a character is put in degrading sexual situations that are treated with such alien reactions we might as well be on a different planet'. A lot of anime presents a completely alien interpretation of female characters that is so off base no one can watch it and go 'oh yeah I think that's how a normal human would act' because its focused on making them extremely sexually appealing or youthful. Even though most anime characters are based off basic human characteristics, most anime aren't meant to be perfect 1:1 representations or copies of reality. Gravity defying boob bounces, boobs that ripple/jiggle in the breeze, unrealistic reactions to absurd/extreme situations involving some sort of sexual situation, scrawny teenagers wielding massive swords twice their size, giant robots piloted by kids, kids saving the world/universe, wide range of hair/eye colors.... these are all just some of the staples of anime. These and many others are what sets anime apart from most other forms of visual entertainment. I get it, you don't like anything sexual in any anime that doesn't present itself as being an ecchi show, or one that uses sexuality as a part of the story. That's fine.. you do you. But I also think you're exaggerating how much sexualization is present in anime, and how much of it is "inappropriate". I also think you're over-estimating how many people are deeply put off by it or can't take the story seriously the moment anything sexual appears. That's ok... we'll just have to agree to disagree, because neither one of us will be changing our viewpoint on this any time soon. |
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| I watch anime because I like the stories, characters and art style, not for sexual stuff. If someone has to sexualize something to get people to watch it, then it probably wasn't that good to start of with |
| After reading the thread title, I knew it had to be you... Seriously, why are so obsessed with ecchi or sex? Also, do you seriously think EVERYONE likes it when an anime has been sexualized? Why can't you just deal with the fact that not everyone approves of such a thing? I'm fine with fanservice and ecchi that don't go overboard. But most of the time, it's just annoying when it appears right in your face. |
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| I think there's a certain appeal to Ecchi anime that there isn't for porn. I feel like sometimes I click on a porno and I think "Yeah .... ok, i'm bored again". Just seen that shit so many times. Ecchi anime definitely has the benefit of usually only giving quick flashes or suggestive content rather than the whole banquet. ..And that's coming from someone who hasn't watched an ecchi anime since he's gotten into anime, 3 years ago. So yeah, nothing wrong with sexualization. It just shouldn't be the only draw. |
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| If the show needs sexual content to become watchable, I'd rather watch porn. Older_than_dirt said: Most "sexualized anime" is based off the sexualized source material, so it's not as though the sexualization was an anime-only thing (in most cases) to make it "watchable". Sex sells, and anime is just another form of proof. Having sexy characters attracts more viewers, some of whom go on to buy the source material, and/or merchandise. B- but we have another ecchi lover screaming everywhere that ecchi doesn't sell and that it's just japanese animators who all want to draw pantsu shots of lolis. |
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| It´s aigh´t because the source material is just ecchi in most cases... So it´s alright if you think about it :3 |
| There is nothing wrong with sexualizing anime. People are doing that all the time, yes females too. |
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| Sex sells so whatever. I stopped caring at this point since it's everywhere. |
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| Honestly, it comes down to how natural it feels. A show with sexual themes or a show that displays constant sexuality first and foremost can almost always get away with this. However, if it feels invasive, like it simply wants to make the audience get a rise out of the forced vulnerability of the characters, not only is it irritating and invasive, but it shows a deep disrespect for the characters. Keep sexy...sexy, if you get what I mean. Showing tits and ass ain't always sexy, and if a show does this as a defense mechanism in case the audience finds it boring and unwatchable, then chances are, the show doesn't deserve viewership. The audience can do better than this, should do better than this, and watch shows that are actually sexy and/or entertaining. When Akashic Records has a rape attempt undermined by comedy, or when Isekai wa Smartphone -the most creatively bankrupt show I have ever seen- uses this as its only blatant attempt at comedy to "spice up" the lack of engaging visuals or characters or etc., those shows have no business existing, let alone being watched by viewers than can spend time watching shows that are actually sexy and engaging, like Chivalry of a Failed Knight, Keijo, Gunbuster, Code Geass, etc. etc. It is a temptation and even tolerable shows pull this shit on occasion. Chivalry at least tries to do something with it, and Death march lasted several episodes before ever resorting to this kind of bullshit. Those shows are more worth people's time, as they are more confident in their existence as a product for entertainment. Gunbuster, Keijo, and Fairy Tail are inherently sexy shows with women not afraid -and sometimes eager and willing- to show off their beautiful bodies and have sexuality as a natural part of their characters and their shows, even though the latter's sexy comedy can be...hit or miss. Sexy humor can still work, however. Just look at the running gag of Kallen in Code Geass, where she is seen in a state of undress by superiors. The camera doesn't try to violate her for our pleasures; it simply lets the joke play out with actual comedic timing and restraint. So...yeah. Shows should be more confident, and shows that are sexy are better off at doing this than unwatchable trash that couldn't pop a boner to save its life. |
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| If you need to sexualize the characters in order to make it watchable, then the anime is garbage by default. However I think there are genres where ecchi is more acceptable than in others such as slice of life and romance. I still do think it's distracting and it actually makes the anime less likeable to me. Hentai >>> ecchi any time. |
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| this discussion still here lol comeon guys lets stop joking around. am sure everyone knows when anime forces fan service where it isnt needed. most people dont like that. if its ecchi or its basically part of the show i assure you majority dont mind. thats why there ecchi or just plain ol anime with smooth fan service Fairy Tail gets a high five, kill la kill gets a thumbs up, Punch line gets a standing ovation then theres moments in good that just sneak up and attack you or just bad anime that happen to have fan service |
AngryAlchemist said: the world you're looking for is "tease"! same with me, when I watch a manservice anime and they give quick shots of the guys' body. it's much more exciting than a BL where they're naked for most of the duration.I think there's a certain appeal to Ecchi anime that there isn't for porn. I feel like sometimes I click on a porno and I think "Yeah .... ok, i'm bored again". Just seen that shit so many times. Ecchi anime definitely has the benefit of usually only giving quick flashes or suggestive content rather than the whole banquet. ..And that's coming from someone who hasn't watched an ecchi anime since he's gotten into anime, 3 years ago. So yeah, nothing wrong with sexualization. It just shouldn't be the only draw. |
Mayuka said: AngryAlchemist said: the world you're looking for is "tease"! same with me, when I watch a manservice anime and they give quick shots of the guys' body. it's much more exciting than a BL where they're naked for most of the duration.I think there's a certain appeal to Ecchi anime that there isn't for porn. I feel like sometimes I click on a porno and I think "Yeah .... ok, i'm bored again". Just seen that shit so many times. Ecchi anime definitely has the benefit of usually only giving quick flashes or suggestive content rather than the whole banquet. ..And that's coming from someone who hasn't watched an ecchi anime since he's gotten into anime, 3 years ago. So yeah, nothing wrong with sexualization. It just shouldn't be the only draw. Manservice anime - lol - great term xD I should actually try one of those some time. |
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Sezaar said: Manaban said: ''These days" You joined 4 years before me, but I can't help but feel like you're new here. Shit's almost omnipresent on this board. Of course it's always been present But they are a lot of ecchi threads been made these days how do you rate an ecchi/hentai show? Why are people so triggered by tits? Are there anime that would benefit from a sex scene? "why is there a stigma around ecchi" I'm not trying to be rude or anything though, I just think that these thread cause so much hate and fighting for no reason. But I'm not saying that these topics shouldn't be discussed. The problem with these threads is that most of them is pretty much the same thing with different titles. |
| There's a lot to consider to a story in inserting sexuality. You can't just do it willy nilly or it'll just seem cheap. At least put some thought into it or at least go all in with it. |
| Lol, this dude again with his ecchi crap and sexual frustration. Cue another ecchi thread. I think OP, at this point, is in a dire need of some love. Hell, someone give the guy a hug, would probably do the trick. Also, Imma just echo everyone who said that if you need tits and asses to make a show 'more enjoyable', it's probably a shit show in general lol. |
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| It's really fucking awkward and stupid unless it is for comedic elements. Even then it can be still pretty awkward to see it. |
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| To quote Jeff Gerstmann: "I don't want you to get the wrong impression about me. I like boobs... Boobs are awesome. But there's a limit..." Soulcalibur IV Review |
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| Nothing wrong with it, but it doesn't make it more watchable for everyone. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| Are you implying that non-sexualized anime are not watchable? As much I love me some ecchis, I couldn't disagree more. |
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| Sexualized anime is a-okay, but it's often just a fucking tease. And teasing in this case can be also well done. But if it's straight up "tits-to-the-wall" then its not as pleasing as getting slowly caressed into it. Same with visual novels and other media. People like subtlety |
| It's wrong, that's why anime is a mistake. |
| If anime needs sexualizing to make it watchable then it's a shitty anime and it's not worth wasting time on it. |
UrbanSpaceman said: If anime needs sexualizing to make it watchable then it's a shitty anime and it's not worth wasting time on it. Not inherently. You can have sexually suggestive content can actually add to a piece of art in certain situations. Just take the short ME!ME!ME! for example. Yeah, there are tits flopping all over the place but it ties into the overall idea of the short. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| Reading through various ecchi threads, it seems more sexualization has the opposite effect on people, and makes anime less watchable. |
| If you need sexualizing to make your anime better, you sure lack of something. |
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| Well it depends on how it's done. There are anime series out there that tend to push it too far leaving some people be put off but for every one of that we do have series that have plenty of sexual content yet still manages to have excellent writing and character depth. So really it's how you do it rather then the actual idea of it that most people dislike. It's also something to keep in mind when talking about topics like this. What annoys me is that some people tend to think sexualization and good character are mutually exclusive when it's really not. It's possible to have some characters be sexy yet also have meaningful and complex characters too. Motoko Kusanagi is a famous example of this. She's incredibly sexy but is also one of the most deeply written anime heroines out there. Also to use non anime examples there's Jessica rabbit and Blackarachnia from Beast Wars who too have sexual designs and also well written roles and characters. |
| @kaijuguy19 Motoko Kusanagi is 3 or 4 different characters, and I don't remember the movies or manga being fan-servicey, just SAC Sexy characters never triggered anyone, at least as far as I'm aware |
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Clebardman said: @kaijuguy19 Motoko Kusanagi is 3 or 4 different characters, and I don't remember the movies or manga being fan-servicey, just SAC Sexy characters never triggered anyone, at least as far as I'm aware I didn't know that about the Major but all the same the point I was making it's that just because a character is sexy looking doesn't make her or him less of an actual character by default. It's how you write the character that matters. |
| If you want to sexualize the anime you watch, go ahead, fap to it, make lewd/nude fanart, write smutty fanfics, develop doujin games where you get to sex all over the characters. Do whatever. As long as those of us who aren't interested in it have a way to avoid it, I'm fine with it. So, I'm quite thankful for safebooru, for example. |
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| @kaijuguy19 Well, what I meant by different chars, is that all the versions of GitS are separate things made by different team. Her character in the 95 movie is very different from her character in the manga or SAC. Same for Arise, if I remember well. It's how you write the character that matters. Yes, I agree with that totally. I think KlK did something interesting and relevant to the story with its sexualization, and I have no problem with it even if it's much more in your face than some other cases.But I don't think it's just about the character being sexy. You can do things wich are independent from a character to sexualize it. Ass shots, etc. I'm not a fan of the sexualization of Motoko in SAC, despite the fact she actually keeps her clothes, unlike in the movie where she runs around naked for a good portion of the show. Her full nudity in the 95 movie reinforces her alien/inhuman/separated-from-her-body nature.It highlights the fact that her psychology is very different from a regular human like Togusa (they have a long ass conversation that hints at the fact the Major barely considers herself human in the movie). She doesn't show pudor (or any other emotion) and actually gets rid of her clothes before getting into action, because she only needs them to "pretend" to be human. Probably doesn't feel naked without it as her mechanical body could be seen as her actual clothes. That version of Motoko has roughly the sex appeal of a brick because of how alien she is, and showing her in full nudity desn't feel sexual. She's much more human however in SAC. They don't make a big deal out of that ghost/body separation, and as a result she's not a ghost in a shell, but the whole package, and feels much more sexy. The show does offer some uninspired (but sparse, thanks) fan-service like a few ass shots, a ridiculously skimpy change of clothes (the characters commenting about it didn't help), or the time she spends with hookers. The last one could arguably be an hint at "her" ghost's gender, but Bato almost spells it out a few eps later. The show gets nowhere with it, has zero themes wich could require some sexualization. So all in all, very minor sexualization that I'm willing to vaguely ignore, but it was pointless and not to my taste. It doesn't change anything to her as a character, and if someone gets a bad point from me, it's the director of the show :p |
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It will not be me who says no, but Diane is really attractive too xD |
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Dakota_Ackerman said: Yeah she is, but that Elizabeth's outfit really has some magic. I noticed Diane clearly for the first time when she wore that, lol.It will not be me who says no, but Diane is really attractive too xD Guess i cant help it XD |
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_Malachite said: If sex is the only thing in the anime that makes it watchable then it's not really a good show to begin with, in fact, it's a horrible show. Not everyone is obsessed with sex and not everyone wants to see it on screen. ^^ This. Its fine to have a sex related scene/element, but if thats all the show is about, its a shit show (Im not hating on porn, just being honest). Eanki said: "prudish, western morals"  |
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Older_than_dirt said: no need to be a passive aggressive cunt mate, the bloke only stated his preferences not being aliened to you or the op's tastes. more over i fail to see what his short attention span has to do with the price of opium in Canton kisb said: honestly it makes anime unwatchable if one wants that stuff they go to ecchi or hentai. lots of very good hentai with awesome stories. go there You have my sympathy about your sad, prudish life. Don't go to the beach. Fortunately you are in the minority, and the anime industry I enjoy contains ample amounts of sexualization at various levels. You should work on improving your attention span, because you're obviously too easily distracted by all things sexy. |
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