| At the risk of sounding like a "Beta" or whatever retarded buzzword people use nowadays...I'm just being curious here. Guys don't like when their girl cheat on them (obviously)...and I assume girls also don't like to get cheated on. However, guys (usually) have a very simplistic outlook on the girls they like. It's almost always based majorily on looks....which many times does end up backfiring if said girl has a bad personality. But what about girls? Is the Playboy/"alpha" type what they like? |
| Only sluts like alpha men. Better stay far away from them |
| No, I prefer betas, alpha males are annoying and cheesy. |
| Girls who are attracted to playboys are nothing but whores who are usually bad news... |
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| One thing I don't get is why people get surprised when they get cheated on despite fully knowing ahead of time that the person they're with is prone to doing good such actions. I guess everyone thinks they can "change" their significant other. |
| Playboy, no. Alpha, yes. You have to be the one to initiate things with a girl, not the other way around. At least that's how it is in America, in my experience. Girls don't want to be seen as sluts so they let guys make the first move |
--ALEX-- said: One thing I don't get is why people get surprised when they get cheated on despite fully knowing ahead of time that the person they're with is prone to doing good such actions. I guess everyone thinks they can "change" their significant other. Rather they just lie to themselves till the end to just feel "comfort" or whatever.... |
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| Oh BTW...I want to make clear that I'm not trying to shame girls or anything like that. TONS of guys are attracted to slutty girls (for obvious reasons) and then the dumbasses can't believe when said slutty girls cheat on them. So...yeah, guys are probably worse at this stuff. |
--ALEX-- said: One thing I don't get is why people get surprised when they get cheated on despite fully knowing ahead of time that the person they're with is prone to doing good such actions. I guess everyone thinks they can "change" their significant other. Betas can be fucking cheaters too. They fancy themselves to be alpha, but they’re definitely not. |
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| No, that shit’s for hypocritical thots like Zara Larsson |
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| Stereotypical alpha are only nice in fantasy, which is probably why you find them as love interests in books and whatnot. If you wanna have a stable relationship and be happy with it, stereotypical betas are better. That being said, obviously IRL nobody is completely the stereotype, nor should they aspire to be. Most people prefer a mix between the two anyway. |
Claire said: But betas aren't likely to cheat as alphas do.--ALEX-- said: One thing I don't get is why people get surprised when they get cheated on despite fully knowing ahead of time that the person they're with is prone to doing good such actions. I guess everyone thinks they can "change" their significant other. Betas can be fucking cheaters too. They fancy themselves to be alpha, but they’re definitely not. |
UltimateFujoshi said: No, it mainly depends on how entitled they are and there are some pretty fair amount of entitled betas out there. I’ve met real alphas who find cheating distasteful. Claire said: But betas aren't likely to cheat as alphas do.Betas can be fucking cheaters too. They fancy themselves to be alpha, but they’re definitely not. |
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NthDegree said: Stereotypical alpha are only nice in fantasy, which is probably why you find them as love interests in books and whatnot. If you wanna have a stable relationship and be happy with it, stereotypical betas are better. That being said, obviously IRL nobody is completely the stereotype, nor should they aspire to be. Most people prefer a mix between the two anyway. We need to get rid of the beta/alpha thing tbh, it's just an inaccurate 2d perception of people |
| If the person is faithful, honest and sensible, that's the basis of my standards. They can be whatever label outside from there. |
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Spades said: Alpha, yes. You have to be the one to initiate things with a girl, not the other way around. At least that's how it is in America, in my experience. Girls don't want to be seen as sluts so they let guys make the first move I don't think it only applies on America. It applies on any country. Obviously in general, anyone prefers initiating a conversation and possibly, relationship of any kind, with someone who has social skills. I don't know OP about being curious it's already a common sense. Also, it's really stupid to say alpha = playboy. Can't it be like alpha people have good social social skills and they're just socializing without any sort of intentions and playboys are just men who know how to get a move on women, treat women as their collection, and have intentions? |
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Tennouji said: Spades said: Alpha, yes. You have to be the one to initiate things with a girl, not the other way around. At least that's how it is in America, in my experience. Girls don't want to be seen as sluts so they let guys make the first move I don't think it only applies on America. It applies on any country. Obviously in general, anyone prefers initiating a conversation and possibly, relationship of any kind, with someone who has social skills. I said that because the influence of morals/religion/culture varies per country/geographic region when it comes to gender roles |
| We can classify them all day long but at the end of the day, the playboy who puts enough effort to attract the girl will win. Of course the deciding factor may vary if she happens to befriend with a handsome/cute but passive male and they get along together. Other than that, it may be easier once she is in her twenties because she would want to settle down and have a family. beta = passive/introvert and alpha = outgoing/extrovert with a persuasive nature. Hypothetically, if you can actively engage in conversations, then you can be persuasive in nature. |
Claire said: Most betas lack the confidence to cheat, where alphas don't. https://www.themodernman.com/success/alpha-male-vs-beta-male.html Yeah, some alphas don't like cheating, just because a few aren't too vague on it doesn't mean most find it unpleasant.UltimateFujoshi said: No, it mainly depends on how entitled they are and there are some pretty fair amount of entitled betas out there. I’ve met real alphas who find cheating distasteful. But betas aren't likely to cheat as alphas do. |
Spades said: NthDegree said: Stereotypical alpha are only nice in fantasy, which is probably why you find them as love interests in books and whatnot. If you wanna have a stable relationship and be happy with it, stereotypical betas are better. That being said, obviously IRL nobody is completely the stereotype, nor should they aspire to be. Most people prefer a mix between the two anyway. We need to get rid of the beta/alpha thing tbh, it's just an inaccurate 2d perception of people I agree... Besides when I talk to my female friends, nobody describes the type they like as alpha or beta anyway. I don't think the perceived alpha-ness or beta-ness really matters to most women as long as they like the person. Usually the people I hear talking about this are guys. |
| girls where i live way more into sugar daddies |
UltimateFujoshi said: Claire said: Most betas lack the confidence to cheat, where alphas don't. https://www.themodernman.com/success/alpha-male-vs-beta-male.html Yeah, some alphas don't like cheating, just because a few aren't too vague on it doesn't mean most find it unpleasant.No, it mainly depends on how entitled they are and there are some pretty fair amount of entitled betas out there. I’ve met real alphas who find cheating distasteful. Confidence or more like, just being an awful human in general. I’m currently dating a real alpha for the first time and he treats me better than these so-called “loyal” betas I’ve been with before. Just sharing my experience, babe. |
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Spades said: I said that because the influence of morals/religion/culture varies per country/geographic region when it comes to gender roles Eh. I've yet to see a country where only women are the ones who's making a move most of the time. Except the traditional Valentines Day on Japan and South Korea. Although despite that event, it's always men who should make a move most of the time in most situations. But I'm aware there are women who are the ones making the move but that's really an exceeding rare case. NthDegree said: I agree... Besides when I talk to my female friends, nobody describes the type they like as alpha or beta anyway. I don't think the perceived alpha-ness or beta-ness really matters to most women as long as they like the person. Usually the people I hear talking about this are guys. Well, this is more like on how guys are usually comparing their dick sizes. |
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Claire said: You're one lucky gal, my experience with alpha males haven't gone so well, ik their not all the same, but like I said most are cheaters. I wish you luck with your current relationship, <3.UltimateFujoshi said: Most betas lack the confidence to cheat, where alphas don't. https://www.themodernman.com/success/alpha-male-vs-beta-male.html Yeah, some alphas don't like cheating, just because a few aren't too vague on it doesn't mean most find it unpleasant. Confidence or more like, just being an awful human in general. I’m currently dating a real alpha for the first time and he treats me better than these so-called “loyal” betas I’ve been with before. Just sharing my experience, babe. |
| Pretty sure girls would love a dominant male but PERSONALLY I'm skeptical how many truly dominant guys there are these days. It's one thing if you wear the pants in a relationship, another thing if you can truly rule your partner... Enlighten me if I'm wrong |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
UltimateFujoshi said: Claire said: You're one lucky gal, my experience with alpha males haven't gone so well, ik their not all the same, but like I said most are cheaters. I wish you luck with your current relationship, <3.Confidence or more like, just being an awful human in general. I’m currently dating a real alpha for the first time and he treats me better than these so-called “loyal” betas I’ve been with before. Just sharing my experience, babe. Awww, thank you 😘💕💕🧡🧡 |
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Gan_water said: Pretty sure girls would love a dominant male but PERSONALLY I'm skeptical how many truly dominant guys there are these days. It's one thing if you wear the pants in a relationship, another thing if you can truly rule your partner... Enlighten me if I'm wrong You can be dominant but still not rule your partner. Dominance can be shown in subtle ways and can be a real turn on. Personally, I’ve led and worn the pants in most of my previous relationships because I have a strong personality, but it’s not actually my thing, so it’s nice to find someone who’s genuinely dominant psychologically. |
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Tennouji said: NthDegree said: I agree... Besides when I talk to my female friends, nobody describes the type they like as alpha or beta anyway. I don't think the perceived alpha-ness or beta-ness really matters to most women as long as they like the person. Usually the people I hear talking about this are guys. Well, this is more like on how guys are usually comparing their dick sizes. Lol, that's a good description. Idk why guys are so obsessed with it. |
Claire said: Gan_water said: Pretty sure girls would love a dominant male but PERSONALLY I'm skeptical how many truly dominant guys there are these days. It's one thing if you wear the pants in a relationship, another thing if you can truly rule your partner... Enlighten me if I'm wrong You can be dominant but still not rule your partner. Dominance can be shown in subtle ways and can be a real turn on. Personally, I’ve led and worn the pants in most of my previous relationships because I have a strong personality, but it’s not actually my thing, so it’s nice to find someone who’s genuinely dominant psychologically. Yeah that's certainly an aspect of it, but on the other side of the coin it's like if you don't ever express the 'ruling' aspect then can you really say it's true dominance? Hmm I'm just wondering, I'm not a terribly dominant guy personally but I feel like I understand it to a degree. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
isekai said: well as they say males are more competitive while females are more cooperative lol game theory much? But why are they competing in something women aren't really interested in, instead of things they actually like? Never heard of guys boasting about how they're the best at building relationships and making compromises with their partner lol. |
| if you can't stand the challenges, you're not worthy of the prize~ :> and no, not all girl attracted to alpha type. i think it just a matter of preferences. some would choose stability that (they say) the "alpha" type can give over the possibility to find the one that their heart truly longing for ^^ |
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Gan_water said: Claire said: You can be dominant but still not rule your partner. Dominance can be shown in subtle ways and can be a real turn on. Personally, I’ve led and worn the pants in most of my previous relationships because I have a strong personality, but it’s not actually my thing, so it’s nice to find someone who’s genuinely dominant psychologically. Yeah that's certainly an aspect of it, but on the other side of the coin it's like if you don't ever express the 'ruling' aspect then can you really say it's true dominance? Hmm I'm just wondering, I'm not a terribly dominant guy personally but I feel like I understand it to a degree. You could say that it’s not true dominance because you don’t express the ruling aspect. I suppose you can find that type of relationship among BDSM enthusiasts more than among regular folks. I’m more of a normie than a BDSM gal (though I’ve had quite a bit of exposure to it than the average person), so I enjoy a subtle form of dominance. Subtle dominance and a quiet confidence are always sexy, and I don’t mind being told what to do sometimes (as a break from always being in charge and I don’t mind following a very worthy man). |
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Claire said: Gan_water said: Yeah that's certainly an aspect of it, but on the other side of the coin it's like if you don't ever express the 'ruling' aspect then can you really say it's true dominance? Hmm I'm just wondering, I'm not a terribly dominant guy personally but I feel like I understand it to a degree. You could say that it’s not true dominance because you don’t express the ruling aspect. I suppose you can find that type of relationship among BDSM enthusiasts more than among regular folks. I’m more of a normie than a BDSM gal (though I’ve had quite a bit of exposure to it than the average person), so I enjoy a subtle form of dominance. Subtle dominance and a quiet confidence are always sexy, and I don’t mind being told what to do sometimes (as a break from always being in charge). The problem is that when you hear the term 'alpha male', I don't think most people think of 'subtle dominance'. I guess we're lacking a definition everyone can agree on... Are we talking about simply someone who's dominant in the bedroom? Or is it something more comprehensive? What aspects of the stereotype are we talking about here? @YoungboyNFA ^The above seems to also be related to what you said. What's the definition? |
NthDegree said: Claire said: You could say that it’s not true dominance because you don’t express the ruling aspect. I suppose you can find that type of relationship among BDSM enthusiasts more than among regular folks. I’m more of a normie than a BDSM gal (though I’ve had quite a bit of exposure to it than the average person), so I enjoy a subtle form of dominance. Subtle dominance and a quiet confidence are always sexy, and I don’t mind being told what to do sometimes (as a break from always being in charge). The problem is that when you hear the term 'alpha male', I don't think most people think of 'subtle dominance'. I guess we're lacking a definition everyone can agree on... Are we talking about simply someone who's dominant in the bedroom? Or is it something more comprehensive? What aspects of the stereotype are we talking about here? @YoungboyNFA ^The above seems to also be related to what you said. What's the definition? The only alphas I recognize are truly dominant men who are good-looking, highly intelligent and accomplished, and those who have an air of quiet confidence to them. Arrogance, a condescending attitude, and being an asshole downgrades you to a lame wannabe. A true, stable alpha doesn’t have the need to spread negativity. This is my personal viewpoint. |
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isekai said: @NthDegree look no further than Trump as a stereotype of a competitive male for the sake of being the best/superior (alpha male) and even diagnose by some experts as narcissist that uses socializing to brag and be praise This is also my view on it, however, I highly doubt that this is what for example @Claire sees in the stereotype. I do feel like it would have been better if the OP defined what the words meant in the OP, since otherwise everyone ends up talking about slightly different things. Edit: Yep, as expected her definition above is very different in the above post. I'm not going to say it's wrong either. I just think the whole term is very ill-defined. |
Claire said: Gan_water said: Yeah that's certainly an aspect of it, but on the other side of the coin it's like if you don't ever express the 'ruling' aspect then can you really say it's true dominance? Hmm I'm just wondering, I'm not a terribly dominant guy personally but I feel like I understand it to a degree. You could say that it’s not true dominance because you don’t express the ruling aspect. I suppose you can find that type of relationship among BDSM enthusiasts more than among regular folks. I’m more of a normie than a BDSM gal (though I’ve had quite a bit of exposure to it than the average person), so I enjoy a subtle form of dominance. Subtle dominance and a quiet confidence are always sexy, and I don’t mind being told what to do sometimes (as a break from always being in charge and I don’t mind following a very worthy man). Yeah I've never really done BDSM so I'm just speculating. It's not like there's no dominant males I'm just saying in many cases they are part of a social structure and not necssarily a true alpha wolf. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| [quote=YoungboyNFA message=54284203] NthDegree said: Claire said: @YoungboyNFA ^The above seems to also be related to what you said. What's the definition? Well the definition is the dominant male in the herd (mostly reffered to animals). But a human alpha would be a smart cold person with the best intentions for everyone around him, and they dont stress in any given situation or give up. And it also reflects on their work life and charisma, and their energy, it a personality type. A respected person by guys, and girls want him, but hes not a douche? I dont really know, I think the most alpha human up to date would be the definition of alpha for us, and as far as I've seen no playboy can beat a real serious guy, that have charisma and more "morally correct" values. In my eyes there is a lot of unsocial guys and playboys, very rare to find a alpha or beta. And both the playboys and unsocials want the girls, so the playboys might seem alpha. But they are not in imo, because if you look at the girls they are with, they are usually on parties and drinking and crave social media attention alot, I dont think alphas go for these types of girls. Your last statement is true. I’m a bit of a party girl (not the sexual type – I only dance or sometimes make out), but the alpha I’m seeing was glad I wanted to quit social media. MAL isn’t social media, right? LOL |
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Gan_water said: Claire said: You could say that it’s not true dominance because you don’t express the ruling aspect. I suppose you can find that type of relationship among BDSM enthusiasts more than among regular folks. I’m more of a normie than a BDSM gal (though I’ve had quite a bit of exposure to it than the average person), so I enjoy a subtle form of dominance. Subtle dominance and a quiet confidence are always sexy, and I don’t mind being told what to do sometimes (as a break from always being in charge and I don’t mind following a very worthy man). Yeah I've never really done BDSM so I'm just speculating. It's not like there's no dominant males I'm just saying in many cases they are part of a social structure and not necssarily a true alpha wolf. Yeah, for sure. I thought you meant ruling like in a relationship, hence my previous answer. I do agree with you though that leadership needs to be outwardly expressed if you are to be considered a more socially inclined alpha. |
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Claire said: Gan_water said: Yeah I've never really done BDSM so I'm just speculating. It's not like there's no dominant males I'm just saying in many cases they are part of a social structure and not necssarily a true alpha wolf. Yeah, for sure. I thought you meant ruling like in a relationship, hence my previous answer. I do agree with you though that leadership needs to be outwardly expressed if you are to be considered a more socially inclined alpha. Right and that's what really seperates the alphas from the betas |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| [quote=YoungboyNFA message=54284261] Claire said: YoungboyNFA said: Your last statement is true. I’m a bit of a party girl (not the sexual type – I only dance or sometimes make out), but the alpha I’m seeing was glad I wanted to quit social media. MAL isn’t social media, right? LOL Like I said I was trying to keep it short, we all use social media, but a good portion of the population is overly fond of it and that reflects on their real life choises aswell, especially when it comes to who they talk to and how. Eh, social media will be part of our lives whether we like it or not. There’s no longer a separation because we have a mini-computer with us all the time. People who are self-absorbed and who like to be seen will express these traits through social media & that’s just how humans are. I don’t think it’s necessarily bad unless it interferes with your quality of life. |
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Gan_water said: Claire said: Yeah, for sure. I thought you meant ruling like in a relationship, hence my previous answer. I do agree with you though that leadership needs to be outwardly expressed if you are to be considered a more socially inclined alpha. Right and that's what really seperates the alphas from the betas Are you alpha? I think I’m pretty alpha. I’ve started a lot of shit IRL and on MAL. |
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| @YoungboyNFA @Claire @isekai @Spades But yeah, seeing all the replies to this topic, it just makes me think that the whole term 'alpha' (or beta for that matter!) is not really descriptive at all. It originated to refer to a leading pair of wolves. However, social structures of people are way more various and complicated than a wolf pack. If it's simply someone we refer to as a leader, then it really depends on the context who is alpha. You can take some jock that's very alpha in the context of sports or maybe an university professor who is alpha in terms of intelligence. However, if you have the professor do sports or the jock is put to an academic circle, it is very possible that neither of them retain the 'alpha' status. If you only look at who has popularity among the opposite sex, then topics like these would be pointless, since that would be the definition in itself. tl;dr: We should really just change the term into something more descriptive. |
| @NthDegree – OP should have provided a definition for alpha to make sure we’re all on the same page. |
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Claire said: @NthDegree – OP should have provided a definition for alpha to make sure we’re all on the same page. "alpha": Outgoing, very social, dominant, "manly", leader...in regards to relationships, someone who can successfully mate with multiple women. |
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