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| Before this episode, I thought they will end together, but I'm so happy and sad at the same time that they decided to search the real love. This ending was perfect with a taciturn mood with Hanabi and then we started to discover how she accepted and moved forward. It was beautiful. I will remember all these characters for a long time. Kanai is way too kind for Akane, but I wish them a beautiful wedding, now that she has changed. Really an amazing anime *-* |
| So, uh, can anyone explain to me the chronology of this episode? For some reason, it is very confusing for me. As I understand, this episode lasts for no more than a week. Because it starts with the preparations for the cultural festival and ends with the end of the festival. We got: The start of the episode is the preparations for the cultural festival. Then a small flashback to a talk with Kanai-sensei. Then goes the cultural festival, where a random guy tries to confess to Hanabi, short-hair-Ecchan appears, Moka in wedding dress appears, and some other small events. Then Hanabi talks with Mugi under the stairs. Then, in the evening, the cultural festival ends with a campfire, and that's where everything goes wrong. And then, the ending. So, what's wrong with the campfire? Sad Moka looks at the fire, Kanai-sensei without glasses looks at Akane-sensei (so the campfire must be after the talk in the flashback in the begging of the episode), Ecchan is standing with her childhood friend (so the campfire is definetly after summer vacation). And Ecchan all of the sudden has long hair. And so, we have multiple variants: 1) It was just a big fail with Ecchan's hair length and then everything else is fine 2) The festival takes place in the third year 3) The beginning of the episode shows second year, then an awkward time leap to the third year 4) The same as previous, then back again to the second year for the ending As Hanabi's character page states, she was a freshman when she met Mugi, so the cultural festival could be on the second, or on the third year. It would make sense if it is a second-year-festival, but I don't think Ecchan can grow her hair in few hours. If it is a third-year-festival, we have big plot (yep, plot, ikr) holes. Hanabi didn't talk with Ecchan and Mugi for a year? Doesn't really look right. If the begging of the festival was in the second year, and the was campfire in the third year - well, WTF? There are no logical explainations for this, just makes no sense. And, what's even more wonderful, if the ending was before the campfire - what was the point of showing a flashback into the future? Thus we come to the main question: how the conversation under the stairs, the campfire and the ending are related chronologically? Personally I prefer the variant with the fail with Ecchan's hair, because then there is logic. |
dyatel said: So, uh, can anyone explain to me the chronology of this episode? For some reason, it is very confusing for me. As I understand, this episode lasts for no more than a week. Because it starts with the preparations for the cultural festival and ends with the end of the festival. We got: The start of the episode is the preparations for the cultural festival. Then a small flashback to a talk with Kanai-sensei. Then goes the cultural festival, where a random guy tries to confess to Hanabi, short-hair-Ecchan appears, Moka in wedding dress appears, and some other small events. Then Hanabi talks with Mugi under the stairs. Then, in the evening, the cultural festival ends with a campfire, and that's where everything goes wrong. And then, the ending. So, what's wrong with the campfire? Sad Moka looks at the fire, Kanai-sensei without glasses looks at Akane-sensei (so the campfire must be after the talk in the flashback in the begging of the episode), Ecchan is standing with her childhood friend (so the campfire is definetly after summer vacation). And Ecchan all of the sudden has long hair. And so, we have multiple variants: 1) It was just a big fail with Ecchan's hair length and then everything else is fine 2) The festival takes place in the third year 3) The beginning of the episode shows second year, then an awkward time leap to the third year 4) The same as previous, then back again to the second year for the ending As Hanabi's character page states, she was a freshman when she met Mugi, so the cultural festival could be on the second, or on the third year. It would make sense if it is a second-year-festival, but I don't think Ecchan can grow her hair in few hours. If it is a third-year-festival, we have big plot (yep, plot, ikr) holes. Hanabi didn't talk with Ecchan and Mugi for a year? Doesn't really look right. If the begging of the festival was in the second year, and the was campfire in the third year - well, WTF? There are no logical explainations for this, just makes no sense. And, what's even more wonderful, if the ending was before the campfire - what was the point of showing a flashback into the future? Thus we come to the main question: how the conversation under the stairs, the campfire and the ending are related chronologically? Personally I prefer the variant with the fail with Ecchan's hair, because then there is logic. That random guy tried to confess to Hanabi at (perhaps) the graduation ceremony, not the cultural festival. |
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2thuriel said: That random guy tried to confess to Hanabi at (perhaps) the graduation ceremony, not the cultural festival. Well, if you mean not Hanabi's graduation, but just the graduation ceremony, then it starts to make sense (blossoming sakura at the end confirms it, actually), but, uh, the whole episode looks more like a cultural festival. Or I am just very stupid, what is kind of more likely. But still, a fail with Ecchan's hair. Oh well. EDIT: Uh, I'm still confused. In the middle of the episode, we have a slide which states it is March (so, it is a gradution ceremony), and right after that slide we have the confession and short-haired Ecchan. Then we have the conversation under the stairs, and that should be the same day, that's fine. And the campfire, which, again, breaks everything - I mean, shoudn't it be in the end of this day? Then why Ecchan is long-haired? Well, it could be an awkward time leap to the Hanabi's graduation the next year, but then we have a year-long hole and the ending doesn't make sense. They don't even have their diplomas (or whatever they are called) in the last scene (yeah, they could be in their bags, but usually that's not the case). |
isshiki_senpaiApr 18, 2017 5:03 AM
dyatel said: 2thuriel said: That random guy tried to confess to Hanabi at (perhaps) the graduation ceremony, not the cultural festival. Well, if you mean not Hanabi's graduation, but just the graduation ceremony, then it starts to make sense (blossoming sakura at the end confirms it, actually), but, uh, the whole episode looks more like a cultural festival. Or I am just very stupid, what is kind of more likely. But still, a fail with Ecchan's hair. Oh well. EDIT: Uh, I'm still confused. In the middle of the episode, we have a slide which states it is March (so, it is a gradution ceremony), and right after that slide we have the confession and short-haired Ecchan. Then we have the conversation under the stairs, and that should be the same day, that's fine. And the campfire, which, again, breaks everything - I mean, shoudn't it be in the end of this day? Then why Ecchan is long-haired? Well, it could be an awkward time leap to the Hanabi's graduation the next year, but then we have a year-long hole and the ending doesn't make sense. They don't even have their diplomas (or whatever they are called) in the last scene (yeah, they could be in their bags, but usually that's not the case). Hanabi and Mugi had their final conversation on the festival day. The staff (and manga if not misremembered) just split the scene in two parts. It's even possible that the two MCs had no direct communication at all after the campfire. |
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2thuriel said: Hanabi and Mugi had their final conversation on the festival day. The staff (and manga if not misremembered) just split the scene in two parts. It's even possible that the two MCs had no direct communication at all after the campfire. I think I finally got it. The festival (somewhere around November, according to Wikipedia): the conversation under the stairs, then the campfire (Ecchan still has long hair). Then Ecchan cuts her hair, Mugi probably doesn't talk to Hanabi. Then the graduation (March; not Hanabi's, the same academic year as the festival): short-haired Ecchan. And, right after the graduation ceremony, the ending. Does that sound right? |
dyatel said: 2thuriel said: Hanabi and Mugi had their final conversation on the festival day. The staff (and manga if not misremembered) just split the scene in two parts. It's even possible that the two MCs had no direct communication at all after the campfire. I think I finally got it. The festival (somewhere around November, according to Wikipedia): the conversation under the stairs, then the campfire (Ecchan still has long hair). Then Ecchan cuts her hair, Mugi probably doesn't talk to Hanabi. Then the graduation (March; not Hanabi's, the same academic year as the festival): short-haired Ecchan. And, right after the graduation ceremony, the ending. Does that sound right? Its a flash back of what happened and they decided to walk their separate paths. The reason was they felt like a scum as they cheated on each other and end of. |
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| That was pretty cute of Akane. Tsundere vibes tho lol. Anyway that concludes everything. 6/10 for me. |
| overall a good series, i didnt expected it to end like that at all, but they made the best choice IMO. 8/10 because the beautiful ost (same guy who composed the shigatsu wakimi no uso one) |
| 5/10. It was watchable, but I couldn't connect to the characters at all. They weren't even characters, just vehicles for endless angst. The only one with some characterization was Akane. I was rooting for her, so I'm glad that she got her happy ending, I guess. |
| Well, here is the end. They took an entire episode to for the festival and the final good bye for the characters. The conclusion is a marriage between Narumi and Akane and the final farwell between Hana and Mugi. I really think that Narumi's decision was the worst and that Akane's nature changed too fast, I mean she is a person that have had that idea for years and had been living that way since her adolescence. Hana and Mugi were a nice couple but they decided not to be together, I would be okay with any decision cause they still could learn a lot one from the other. Kuzu no Honkai is an anime that didn't amazed me except by 2 episodes, I think. Enjoyable and probably better for people with tastes different than me. |
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| Very sad and bitter story, I felt sorry for everyone :( But last 2 episodes bring some light to my eyes, and I was able to complete, one yet interesting anime. |
"A half moon, it has a dark half and a bright half, just like me…", Yuno Gasai |
| Watching an anime like this you would think high schoolers are way too busy f-ing like rabbits to get their studies done. I mean come on. |
| People who call this a "realistic" or "mature" romance haven't seen Kare Kano yet. |
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| For me this entire series took a very different take on the way anime and movies take on the topic of love. And that ending monologue by Hanabi pretty much sums up what I'm trying to say. The series portrayed a group of characters who were taking on their first love and facing their first heartbreak. And for those of you who claim that it was overly dramatic, I agree it may seem that way at first. But after watching the final episode, you look back on that drama and realize, that's what we did in high school. As adolescents, we overly dramatized many things. And more often than not, one of those things was our crushes and our loves. We used to talk about being elated or being depressed when something happens. We used to exaggerate our broken hearts when they did happen. We used to behave as if our entire state of being depended on what the result was. And most of all, we used to think that if it wasn't her/him, then it just couldn't be. But that isn't true. Time heals all wounds. A love lost can be found elsewhere. And one can live without the fairy tale love they once desired. Kuzu no Honkai portrayed all of this splendidly. Setting all of that aside, I loved the start of the ED, especially those 15 seconds of piano they always played before the vocals hit. After the second episode, I sang along EVERY SING TIME!!! IT WAS JUST SO ADDICTIVE!!! |
| Unfortunately, that's a no for me. I didn't really feel the progression of each character as I felt it was rounded up (too?) easily. Also, I think some characters had too much screenplay and focus story-wise (like, f*** Akane and Ecchan), and some others had so little time on screen (what about Naru's backstory and his mother? Or even Moca! She was just so cute in that last episode and I wished we learnt more about her). All characters made bad decisions at one point and there was not a single moment when I didn't want to slap them in the face for being so irresponsible. Like, really Naru? Ending up with a narcissistic perverse, even though she warned you she'd deceive you, just because you want her to be happy? I can understand you'd feel comfortable being with a woman who shares the same hair as your mother but that's pushing it a little too far imo. I really had a hard time watching the last episodes just because I wanted to see the evolution of the relationship between Mugi and Hanabi, but again I was pretty disappointed by how little we saw them together by the season's second half. This episode just felt like a filler overall. These are my thoughts now that I've ended this series and I hope I will be able to see how smart this anime is with time, but for now this episode is a 2/5 for me and a 5/10 for the series. I really didn't like that ending. |
| Awh you have to feel for Hana. In the end, she had nothing. No one. But at least she seems to portray enough maturity to not take it out on Mugi sexually. This was a good series. If it was successfully shown as depressing and warped in its ways of showing love in this generation, then you'd definitely have to say it was good. 9/10! |
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| This was really good, one of those Animes that is so well done it could work as a live action. Music was beautiful, realistic ending was refreshing, believable characters, well paced, nice visuals, can't really think of any negatives about this show. |
| I'd be glad if she just ended up with Ecchan tho |
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| Well, Kanai is the alpha in this story, he got Akane to change for him with his pure and reasonable love. I also wished that Mugi and Hanabe would end up together at the end, but the only reason they were with each other is to fill up the massive emptiness feeling in their heart they were getting from the one-sided love. After they confessed and got rejected, there was no reason for them to be with each other anymore. The pinky swear wasn't meaningless, but it's sole purpose was to promise they would stay together until they move on with their lives at the same time. In which, they did at the final episode. Their promise was kept and they walked off to 2 separate ways, looking for a genuine relationship and love. I've seen and been through many stuff in my life, so this series wasn't so "gut punching" for me, although i was really happy when Kanai managed to open Akane's heart (was cheering for Kanai and even said "FUCK YEAH BOI", and also happy when everyone finally managed to move on with their lives. However, i am unsatisfied with what happened to Noriko, her side of the story is very shallow in compare to the others, and the way the author ended telling her own story right in the middle of the series was very unpleasant. Because all we were showed was: Noriko loves Mugi, Noriko tries to throw away her purity by trying to get laid with Mugi and enter his world of sorrow, Noriko gets rejected both because Mugi is selfish (it will hurt his own morality) and selfless (he really cares about Noriko, so he didn't take her virginity), and that is all it, very unsatisfying and also the only thing that made me quite emotional how hard she tried. |
| 9/10 comedy; 11/10 catharsis; 9/11 catastrophe. |
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| MASTERPIECE ROMANCE ANIME. BEST ENDING !!! "Mugi, I'm glad to have met you" "We're not alone anymore" We don't have to be saved anymore" "We'll continually seek our true love" "Goodbye" WAY BETTER than force pairing Hanabi and Mugi to going together because they have not found REAL ROMANCE yet, not with each other, they just shared an intimacy. AND Mugi ruined the real romance that could've started when he broke his promise. That's why Hanabi is too good for Mugi anyways. The teacher and onii-chan can be together because they found real romance with each other. Romance does not always have to end with each other to be happy ending! This anime IS AWESOME doing it right. ALSO I LOVE HANABI <3 10/10 |
 張大です for 張大勇督察 |
| I loved this series alot more than I ever though I would, it felt like the theme was so well explored to me, I was not disappointed either with its ending, neither its message... if anyone is a scum on this plot, then we are also scum ourselves, that is just part of us as humans. The directing was very effective too, and the art was great IMO. I cant really point any blames to Kuzu no Konkai, and I just hoped more writters had the courage to write what this mangaka did, it was bold and a very compelling plot, and the cast felt really natural. If anything I have to say I m glad for Akane, I never truly hated her, she was one of the best parts of the this show, and seeing her change was quite charming. As for Hanabi, I glad she didnt succumbed to it in the end and managed to separate from Mugi and start her own journey to find happiness for yourself above all. Anyone can relate to the message the series delivers, it really it close home. I hope I can see another anime like this someday, what a refreshing experience. 8.6 |
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| This was pretty entertaining to watch but the teacher was a mega slut. I didn't really like any of the characters apart from maybe Hanabi. I liked the animation style. 6/10 |
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| this is messed up main chars didn't get happy ending also 6/10 |
Finished it at pretty much the same time and gave it the same score.. Witchcraft XD |
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Pixel_Vapour said: Finished it at pretty much the same time and gave it the same score.. Witchcraft XD i noticed that it was interesting anime like i want to see what happens next but bit heavy or how to say it :D |
Sugram22 said: Pixel_Vapour said: Finished it at pretty much the same time and gave it the same score.. Witchcraft XD i noticed that it was interesting anime like i want to see what happens next but bit heavy or how to say it :D Oh yeah it was worth watching at least once |
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Pixel_Vapour said: Sugram22 said: i noticed that it was interesting anime like i want to see what happens next but bit heavy or how to say it :D Oh yeah it was worth watching at least once some anime's i re-watch after some time but i doubt i re-watch this :D have u seen Watashi ga Motete Dousunda? its reverse harem romance it nails it with comedy 4 guys 1 girls in love with FMC, but its not that simple as it sounds, i said it more simply, after this anime comedy does good, i so it before this anime, but new i think i should have done other way around :D |
Sugram22 said: some anime's i re-watch after some time but i doubt i re-watch this :D have u seen Watashi ga Motete Dousunda? its reverse harem romance it nails it with comedy 4 guys 1 girls in love with FMC, but its not that simple as it sounds, i said it more simply, after this anime comedy does good, i so it before this anime, but new i think i should have done other way around :D I've heard of it and it's been on my PTW for quite some time. I should get round to it sometime. |
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| And it's over. Man, I thought i will like this series with the score like 6/10. It's a surprise to me, but this show was a lot better then I expected. Solid 8/10. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| Yep, I really liked this anime. I thought the entire anime was well handled and mature. It really explored the darker side of teenage love/lust, as opposed to Tsukgakierei that explored the lighter side. I don't think it was perfect, but I loved its message and how it showed the good and bad of all the characters. You don't get too many animes like this that really don't dance around these tough subjects, but takes them head on instead. I think the ending was perfect, and probably the best ending it could have gotten. Hanabi and Mugi had to accept themselves before trying to find love, otherwise they'll continue to have broken relationships. I thought it was a mature conclusion they came across considering all the pain they went through along the way. The art was good, the sex scenes were really well handled, it expressed the emotion of the characters really well, all the characters grew (except for maybe good ole Oni-chan) and I liked that the anime was brutally honest. This anime isn't for everyone obviously, but some times these depressing animes have some strong messages which is why I tend to like them. Overall, 8/10 |
LoomyTheBrewDec 28, 2017 5:56 PM
AndrewRoche said: I am so angry about the ending. its an amazing anime. However the ending left me heart broken. Thats what makes it better. A good ending is weird, judging how the story progress i cant see any good ending for two of our MC. That was the premise of the tittle, It tells about people who wish something but will never happen so they try to run away from reality. Its simple as that. Ahh now i came back here those music ring on my head again. |
| It is not anime that I'll remember for long, but it was ok. I like the OP and ED and the art is also very nice. The story is not some normal happy love seen in most of stories and that is good change for me, but it's not that I like it, ok?! |
| (づ￣ ³￣)づ ちゅっ ちゅっ キス (´｡✪ω✪｡｀) I hate it when anime/manga that I enjoyed ends, especially when there could be much longer plot and when I love main heroine :P I wish I had magic glasses that let me see real world in anime colors ;) |
| I don't even know what to say about this borderline hentai/NTR anime. It was an emotional roller-coaster of unrequited love and lust with the lack of proper characterisation and development. But it has a good story of lonely people getting together to cure their loneliness and sadness. However, the way the anime tries to depict single lonely people as sexually repressed is definitely wrong. It would've been meaningful and beautiful if they kept all the needless sexual interactions out of it. But then again this was a story about two horny teenagers who confused loneliness with lust/love. Now I don't mind the different ending from the conventional endings. But if you are going to bait me with hints of romance between the main characters with all that sexy time throughout the show only to troll me in the end without a more detailed explanation then it just feels pointless. At best they could've be shown as friends and try to discover their true feelings for others and maybe each other. Yet with this ending I failed to understand what the main characters truly wanted after f**king around most of the time with other's people feelings and emotions while being taken advantage of as an excuse to cure their loneliness and satisfy their insatiable lust. I mean if they truly wanted a genuine relationship or love then they should've give chance to those who truly love/like them for e.g. Moca's feeling could've been reconsidered by Mugi or that dude who confessed to Hanabi in the end. I think all they needed was a good psychological counselling from the start. I think what I disliked the most about the show is how they spent the last few episodes justifying Akane's whoredom as boredom. I mean this antagonist character is so malicious and sadistic that she takes pleasure by destroying genuine relationships and is clearly responsible for everything that took place in the anime yet she gets a happy ending? Why? I don't even know what part of Kanai not wanting to have sex with her made her change. Either way it feels so vague. I don't know what kind of realism and artistry the writer was aiming for but it clearly failed to impress me. |
| I don't know how I feel about that ending. At least it didn't end in absolute tragedy like I thought it would. The first half was better, but it was good overall. |
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