| It's literally 3-4 old farts cockblocking a scientist because they're afraid for their e-reputation. How you manage to see "le left" pushing their "evil commie political agenda" is beyond me... |
Prophetess of the Golden Era  |
| Everything offends people. Even a notebook can offend people. Im offended. |
"When you made this thread, I cried and screamed" -Swagernator 2017 |
| That's stupid to stop a study like that but your conclusions are also stupid. It's not about that. They just are trying to avoid controversy as a private institution. |
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| sometimes you cross a bridge and it burns down before you turn around and there are demons running at you |
イカロス --I K A R O S D E S U-- "Hai master" <3cruise   Becoming the bell of my heart dont click here, baka -->> https://soundcloud.com/franciscan-guitar |
Maneki-Mew said: Ikaros_42oh said: sometimes you cross a bridge and it burns down before you turn around and there are demons running at you Was that an answer for mine statement? But some get hormones for example, before their puberty starts. To begin with, you even can't reverse the effects of the hormones on the body shape and brain development. And as I said, I can't imagine that so many transpeople want to do that. So yes, it's silly to think that individual cases / a, I bet, not so high percentage could offend other people. lol no it wanst intended as such first thing that comes to mind when thinking trans reversal surgery is burned out bridges is all lol |
イカロス --I K A R O S D E S U-- "Hai master" <3cruise Becoming the bell of my heart dont click here, baka -->> https://soundcloud.com/franciscan-guitar |
Maneki-Mew said: Ikaros_42oh said: lol no it wanst intended as such first thing that comes to mind when thinking trans reversal surgery is burned out bridges is all lol Okay, I understand, sorry. ^^" omg u cant just reverse your opinion surgery like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im offended EDIT @manannkkikikikikamewmewmemwmew omg what a nice transition to freedom, u r hotter like this |
Ikaros_42ohSep 26, 2017 10:15 PM
イカロス --I K A R O S D E S U-- "Hai master" <3cruise Becoming the bell of my heart dont click here, baka -->> https://soundcloud.com/franciscan-guitar |
| Because a choices should be permanent don't ya know? It doesn't matter what state of mind you was in, what is done is done. After reading various neuroplasticity books, I actually came up with a personal theory that violent criminals serving long prison sentences who have changes of heart. Not because of regretting what they did, even though they probably do now. But because of the increase of intelligence with white matter increase or whatever. Like a mid-life crisis that drives people to existentialism or nihilism. Stupid books. |
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Maneki-Mew said: There is another question in my mind... who would going through all this pain and hormonal fluctuations etc... and then decides to reverse it and going through all of this shit again? That comes with a major and complicated surgery. It's not a nose job or face lifting or something. I can't even imagine that this number is so high to speak of it? Transition often is seen as some cure to everything, the miracle maker that will get your life better. But that doesn't happen to everyone, usually trans people have other things affecting negatively their life like mental illnesses. When you see transition didn't help your life and you're still miserable what's the point going through that. There are still people also seeking transition but realize they're not actually trans, gay people usually, and start HRT but often realize it before going through any surgeries. While detransition is rare there has been increase in the USA what I have read. |
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| How retarded can people be? Of course botched up genitals won't make anyone happy. |
spuukiebuugi said: If you're brains born with the wrong gender and is mismatched to your genitals, yes, it might actually make some legitimate trans people happy. Not that it matters to you since you're basically obsessed with the proclamation that they can't be happy. Cutting your wrists is a sign of mental instability and no one ever recommends it as treatment for anything, cutting your genitals more so, and if there is such a thing as people being born with mismatched brains and bodies, which is a highly doubtful statement that only quack science seems to support, then the priority should be increase the hormones that the body is already producing not inject something foreign to it. |
spuukiebuugi said: If you have dysphoria and get a sex change, you shouldn't want to reverse it. Usually people who reverse their sex change never necessarily had dysphoria in the first place. Aaaand this is why I'm adamantly against putting kids with no gender dysphoria to speak of on T. All these tumblr fakebois (read: teen to twentysomething girls) who want to look like yowiee bishonens pumping themselves full of testosterone is an extremely irresponsible decision on the part of the doctors who gave female patients with no dysphoria male hormones in the first place. Not to mention the fact that hormones will give a person who doesn't have dysphoria actual gender dysphoria as a result of them taking hormones that don't match their assigned female born female brain in the first place. If you don't have gender dysphoria, you're not trans. If you're not trans, don't get surgery. It's not that hard. This "respect my third gender" bullshit needs to stop. It's an insult to actual transgender people when people who don't have dysphoria steal it from legitimate transgender folks. That's not necessarily true. What happens is they are dissatisfied with the results because they or are avoiding being ostracized. There is a website set up by one guy that did it which unfortunately I can't find right now. Also to get such a surgery to psychologists have to give it the go in the US if I recall right. edit: I found it http://www.sexchangeregret.com/examples |
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AssortedEmotions said: @traed Thank you for posting this. I hope my summation and analysis will allow people less able to think critically (see also: most people in this thread) to see the truth of the matter. Well yeah the guy that runs the site is really bitter. Still though I think it should be looked into of what other options there could be for such persons. I really think gender dysphoria isn't just one condition but multiple ones with similar symptoms. |
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Maneki-Mew said: urpoutta said: Transition often is seen as some cure to everything, the miracle maker that will get your life better. But that doesn't happen to everyone, usually trans people have other things affecting negatively their life like mental illnesses. When you see transition didn't help your life and you're still miserable what's the point going through that. There are still people also seeking transition but realize they're not actually trans, gay people usually, and start HRT but often realize it before going through any surgeries. While detransition is rare there has been increase in the USA what I have read. I can't see the connection between your sexual orientation and your gender. ^^" But yeah, I guess you are right with the first statement. Sexual orientation and gender identity don't necessarily affect each other, but it has more to do with how some gay people behave differently from what society deems normal for their sex and may even feel more comfortable behaving and look what's normal for their opposite sex. There may also lie already feelings of otherness for your sexual orientation and in some rare cases this word that is over used internalized homophobia. And of course there has been situations where gay person didn't want to deal with homophobic society and transitioned to their opposite sex to live as a straight person, probably isn't common in the west at least. AssortedEmotions said: The fact of the matter is, beyond 18 years of age, as long as the person is intellectually competent and educated (even if only to the extent of knowing the difference between male and female genitalia), they should be capable of deciding whether or not they want surgery. The only cases of "regret" I've seen are due to bigotry and negative social consequences. (Edit: And from people getting the surgery prior to otherwise transitioning due to having fetishes about transgender people, and ignoring, lacking, or having incompetent therapists guiding them.) Eh, rarely those people who actually don't have gender dysphoria go with the surgeries and detransition from HRT, actually there was some study of detransitioned people who only transitioned socially but didn't even start HRT before they realized it wasn't for them. I have seen some trans people regretting some surgeries because it either made life harder or the end result isn't good enough (bottom surgeries more often). |
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AssortedEmotions said: traed said: Well yeah the guy that runs the site is really bitter. Still though I think it should be looked into of what other options there could be for such persons. I really think gender dysphoria isn't just one condition but multiple ones with similar symptoms. Well, gender identity is a spectrum, so you're probably right. I don't think surgery is necessary for all people with gender dysphoria, but I also think those who do need it know that they need it. The fact that society's negativity on the matter forces people to detransition for the sake of their livelihoods is shameful. I want to have surgery (though I have no idea if/when I'll ever have the funds to get it), but I'd want to remove what I have without replacing it with anything. I don't know if that's due to my gender identity being midway between male and female, or being agender, or if being a sex-repulsed asexual is the determining factor, but regardless, I don't want standard GRS (and yes, I'm talking it over with a therapist; and no, I don't think I'll ever change my mind). The fact of the matter is, beyond 18 years of age, as long as the person is intellectually competent and educated (even if only to the extent of knowing the difference between male and female genitalia), they should be capable of deciding whether or not they want surgery. The only cases of "regret" I've seen are due to bigotry and negative social consequences. (Edit: And from people getting the surgery prior to otherwise transitioning due to having fetishes about transgender people, and ignoring, lacking, or having incompetent therapists guiding them.) It's not just a spectrum it's a phantasm. There is no objectivity to gender. From my research in the past I do know it's a mental illness to have dysphoria that causes such anxiety and desire to alter ones body to such degree even though I originally thought they literally had brains of the opposite gender which isn't close to true although it has some truth to it. Problem is the stigma against mental illness and homosexuality and just being outside of societal norms that causes stuck irrationally over the top disgust or fear if transfolk. I don't think hrt and surgery should be first choices they should be the last thing people try but from so much sigma the research into treatment has been held back. That still leaves it as an option though. I don't think transgender as a way of acting it dressing is an illness just be the dysphoria is. Sally my views are very difficult to get across because it's a sensitive subject and people are usually just used to the two extremes of views. I think psychology and psychiatry as a whole needs a lot of work and society does too. |
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AssortedEmotions said: Nyu said: There are only 2 Genders and 2 Sexes, people should stop spreading their propaganda. Let's see. XY chromosomes, XX chromosomes, Y chromosome, YY chromosomes, XXX chromosomes, XXY chromosomes. Yep, that adds to 2. You're definitely right. There is XY and XX. The rest are rare mutations. This is basic biology. |
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AssortedEmotions said: What's your point? They exist. Even disregarding that, gender identity doesn't have to follow your middle school "biology" which you probably flunked. So they exist, so that makes them normal or standard? Nope, they are rare mutations, nothing more. There are only 2 Sexes. It seems you were the one who flunked your biology classes, and started inventing your own biology. |
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| people detransition. i don't know why people are denying this, or trying to silence people who come forward about their detransition. i personally know people who have transitioned, only to realize it wasn't for them years later. it isn't a reflection on transgender people in general, it's entirely an individual persons issue. |
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AssortedEmotions said: soymilkyy said: people detransition. i don't know why people are denying this, or trying to silence people who come forward about their detransition. i personally know people who have transitioned, only to realize it wasn't for them years later. it isn't a reflection on transgender people in general, it's entirely an individual persons issue. Those stories are used to discriminate and gatekeep against transgender individuals who need treatment, and the vast majority of the time, the reason for detransitioning is to escape social rejection and try to hold a job long enough to not end up homeless. We don't try to silence those people, we just try to get people to consider the whole story rather than their own narrow-minded narrative when hearing about them. Those "stories" are peoples lived experiences. It's not their fault that people use their experiences as evidence against transgender people. |
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AssortedEmotions said: Nyu said: So they exist, so that makes them normal or standard? Nope, they are rare mutations, nothing more. There are only 2 Sexes. It seems you were the one who flunked your biology classes, and started inventing your own biology. So because it's rare, it doesn't exist? That's ridiculous. If someone with XY chromosomes who also had PAIS wanted to transition from female to male, would you say that that's natural or unnatural? Considering I got A's in college Biology 1 and 2, I'd say I probably know what I'm talking about. Haven't you heard of intersex people? I honestly can't tell if you're a troll or not, but 2-5% of the population makes it common enough to be considered. There are more than 2 sexes and genders, and you should educate yourself before you embarrass yourself further. I never said they don't exist, it seems you need to work on your English skills. I don't know what PAIS is, is that the mental illness where people think they're the opposite gender? (Don't use acronyms, without having stated the full meaning first) Intersex people are those with extra chromosomes, like XXY. Or are special snowflakes because they have 1 or 2 minor features of the opposite Sex. Intersex people do not represent 2-5% of the population. |
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AssortedEmotions said: Nyu said: I never said they don't exist, it seems you need to work on your English skills. I don't know what PAIS is, is that the mental illness where people think they're the opposite gender? (Don't use acronyms, without having stated the full meaning first) Intersex people are those with extra chromosomes, like XXY. Or are special snowflakes because they have 1 or 2 minor features of the opposite Sex. Intersex people do not represent 2-5% of the population. "There are only 2 sexes." "I never said more than 2 sexes don't exist." Yeah, seems like you're the one who needs to work on your English. Sorry, I thought that someone with a double PhD in Biology and Human Reproductive Medicine would know that term (/s). It's Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (which you'd know if you could use Google). http://oii-usa.org/2563/how-common-is-intersex-in-humans/ Statistics beg to differ. Given how rarely people without ambiguous genitals are tested, I would not be at all surprised if the statistic was higher than 2%. --- You really need to work on educating yourself, because the more you talk, the more you reveal your extensive ignorance. You're the one who needs to work on your English skills. There are only 2 Sexes, but the genetic errors that create XXY and the rest are not Sexes but rare mutations. Let me guess, that statistic includes people with minor features of the opposite Sex, rather than real Intersex people, with either 3 Chromosomes or 1 chromosome. You really need to work on your propaganda. |
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| Drawing conclusions from an interview that presents only one biased side of the story? Who is pushing their agenda now? From the comments of the independent article: As an academic who supervises masters dissertations, in my opinion this "academic" (as someone working at sub-masters level he is a "student" not an "academic") is actually being totally ridiculous. This subject matter is totally inappropriate for a masters dissertation. An MA dissertation is typically up to 20,000 words in length, this is not nearly enough space to cover this subject area anything like adequately. Anyone doing this kind of research would need to use most of that just to cover the ethical issues involved, items like epistemological violence and the effect of the research process on his subjects are not insignificant and if this student does not understand that then I would suggest that he is showing himself to be a completely unsuitable person to carry out this kind of research. There is also the, related, issue of validity. He needs to know that the people he is talking to are who they say they are. This would mean not only meeting them face-to-face but validating their identities by a thorough examination of their documentation. In my opinion by stamping his feet, throwing his toys out of the pram and running to the press he has shown himself to be unsuitable to exercise the care needed to put in place systems to do this properly also. Given the sensitivity and potential for people volunteering to take part who are doing so deliberately to mislead (I have already heard of people who are not part of the group he wants to research attempting to take part in order to further some campaign against transgender people), as well as the complex ethical issues involved then this kind of research is really only suitable for someone working AT LEAST at post-doctoral level, and probably more suitable for a team of researchers including at least one professor, not for a masters dissertation. So, in my view, Bath Spa university is therefore quite right to stop him doing this, if only because he risks making a fool of himself and producing work that will cause him to fail his course. In that sense IMO they are acting with nothing more than due diligence to protect him from himself And more importantly: I am now finding out that apparently Bath Spa Uni actually turned his research proposal down for a number of reasons other than those the individual concerned has reported, this appear to be for ethical problems in that he did not have the sensitivity to carry out this research, that he didn't have the skill to carry out the task and that his proposed methods were inadequate to the task. In other words he did not have his research turned down "to protect trans people" or because it was "not PC" or anything else like that, but because, as I have said above, he was unable to carry out such a task. The article needs to be updated to reflect this information. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/psychotherapist-gender-assignment-surgery-reverse-research-stop-trans-bath-spa-university-james-a7965281.html Nyu said: Once upon a time XY and XX were rare mutations as well.AssortedEmotions said: Let's see. XY chromosomes, XX chromosomes, Y chromosome, YY chromosomes, XXX chromosomes, XXY chromosomes. Yep, that adds to 2. You're definitely right. There is XY and XX. The rest are rare mutations. This is basic biology. |
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zal said: Drawing conclusions from an interview that presents only one biased side of the story? Who is pushing their agenda now? From the comments of the independent article: As an academic who supervises masters dissertations, in my opinion this "academic" (as someone working at sub-masters level he is a "student" not an "academic") is actually being totally ridiculous. This subject matter is totally inappropriate for a masters dissertation. An MA dissertation is typically up to 20,000 words in length, this is not nearly enough space to cover this subject area anything like adequately. Anyone doing this kind of research would need to use most of that just to cover the ethical issues involved, items like epistemological violence and the effect of the research process on his subjects are not insignificant and if this student does not understand that then I would suggest that he is showing himself to be a completely unsuitable person to carry out this kind of research. There is also the, related, issue of validity. He needs to know that the people he is talking to are who they say they are. This would mean not only meeting them face-to-face but validating their identities by a thorough examination of their documentation. In my opinion by stamping his feet, throwing his toys out of the pram and running to the press he has shown himself to be unsuitable to exercise the care needed to put in place systems to do this properly also. Given the sensitivity and potential for people volunteering to take part who are doing so deliberately to mislead (I have already heard of people who are not part of the group he wants to research attempting to take part in order to further some campaign against transgender people), as well as the complex ethical issues involved then this kind of research is really only suitable for someone working AT LEAST at post-doctoral level, and probably more suitable for a team of researchers including at least one professor, not for a masters dissertation. So, in my view, Bath Spa university is therefore quite right to stop him doing this, if only because he risks making a fool of himself and producing work that will cause him to fail his course. In that sense IMO they are acting with nothing more than due diligence to protect him from himself And more importantly: I am now finding out that apparently Bath Spa Uni actually turned his research proposal down for a number of reasons other than those the individual concerned has reported, this appear to be for ethical problems in that he did not have the sensitivity to carry out this research, that he didn't have the skill to carry out the task and that his proposed methods were inadequate to the task. In other words he did not have his research turned down "to protect trans people" or because it was "not PC" or anything else like that, but because, as I have said above, he was unable to carry out such a task. The article needs to be updated to reflect this information. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/psychotherapist-gender-assignment-surgery-reverse-research-stop-trans-bath-spa-university-james-a7965281.html Once upon a time XY and XX were rare mutations as well. Le semantics. AssortedEmotions said: Nyu said: You're the one who needs to work on your English skills. There are only 2 Sexes, but the genetic errors that create XXY and the rest are not Sexes but rare mutations. Let me guess, that statistic includes people with minor features of the opposite Sex, rather than real Intersex people, with either 3 Chromosomes or 1 chromosome. You really need to work on your propaganda. Well, arguing with a troll is pointless. I'm going to bed now anyway. It's called "intersex" for a reason. That being, they are sexes somewhere between or beyond each "binary" sex. Again, take a few minutes to educate yourself. The 2% refers to people with 3 chromosomes or 1 chromosomes, regardless of whether they have visually abnormal genitalia (people with 3 X chromosomes look like normal women, but with larger busts, significantly more fertile, and on average less intelligent; they don't appear abnormal at first glance. The same, but on the opposite end of the spectrum, applies for people with the Y chromosome only). It's not propaganda, and I can tell you're just trying to make me angry by saying that. Not everything you disagree with because you flunked out of high school is propaganda, and you really need to learn the difference. Maybe get your GED before talking about matters more advanced that 5th grade. Good night. So people with dissenting views are trolls now? Or normal people who don't believe this propaganda? Intersex means in-between the Sexes, stop using rhetoric like Binary. I was referring to the ridiculous 5% statistic, anyway, I have heard that the statistic of Intersex was 1%, then again, I can't be bothered to look for a source. I like how you assume that anyone who disagrees with your propaganda, dropped out of High School. That's some nice Classism there. Anyway, I stayed onto my senior year and graduated. So because you have a GED, that makes you automatically right? Well, I guess since Hitler was a soldier, he must have been a Military genius. Good Night, Minister of Propaganda. |
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AssortedEmotions said: Before I started hormone treatment my testosterone was abnormally high By which standards? Stop having your life revolve around your genitals and maybe you'll be happier. |
Nyu said: not really there are many species that are both sex so i would not call it "Rare mutant" sounds like they never went over this in your biology class (not trying to be rude)AssortedEmotions said: Let's see. XY chromosomes, XX chromosomes, Y chromosome, YY chromosomes, XXX chromosomes, XXY chromosomes. Yep, that adds to 2. You're definitely right. There is XY and XX. The rest are rare mutations. This is basic biology. but creatures with 2 sex at the same time are more common then one would think and changing sex is not limited to mutation some animals can do it naturally. you shouldn't throw things out as mutation or "unnatural" because nature will mostly always prove you wrong google Hermaphrodite when you get the chance |
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