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SAO or DanMachi?
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Jul 8, 2015 9:14 PM

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Dungeon, for me, is far better than SAO. More entertaining, more engaging, more 'wow' moments, and it was just more fun.

And Syr. Oh, yeah. She'd own anyone in SAO. Magic .50 caliber bullet. (You saw the hole in that tree, right?). I'll make sure I'm on her side.
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Jul 9, 2015 2:17 AM

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TheGrandSage23 said:
HaXXspetten said:
I might have still sided with SAO but after the utter disaster of a cringeworthy drama that Mother's Rosario was.... ehhh I think I prefer Danmachi overall at this point. Also Bell and Hestia make up an infinitely better main duo than Kirito and Asuna (or Shino if you want)


From a non bias standpoint. Sinon and Kirito were massively better than Hestia and Bell. Their interactions weren't cringeworthy and their chemistry was actually good.

I can't even see how you can get that impression that Hestia/Bell were a better duo.
I love how you claim that it's a "non bias standpoint" when
1) Kirito has 4 times the number of episode Bell has in your comparison. If you compare kirito's evolution after 13 episodes compared to Bell, Bell is actually better, from a... non bias standpoint. :)
2)You use purposely Hestia as a comparison to sinon, whereas you should use Lili if you want to compare with Sinon. and again, in 13 episodes only. Again, lili's evolution is far better than is Sinon in the first 13 episodes of the s2
from a... non bias standpoint again. :)
Jul 9, 2015 7:46 AM

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Zefyris said:
TheGrandSage23 said:


From a non bias standpoint. Sinon and Kirito were massively better than Hestia and Bell. Their interactions weren't cringeworthy and their chemistry was actually good.

I can't even see how you can get that impression that Hestia/Bell were a better duo.
I love how you claim that it's a "non bias standpoint" when
1) Kirito has 4 times the number of episode Bell has in your comparison. If you compare kirito's evolution after 13 episodes compared to Bell, Bell is actually better, from a... non bias standpoint. :)
2)You use purposely Hestia as a comparison to sinon, whereas you should use Lili if you want to compare with Sinon. and again, in 13 episodes only. Again, lili's evolution is far better than is Sinon in the first 13 episodes of the s2
from a... non bias standpoint again. :)



"You purposely used Hestia as a comparison to Sinon" because it was part of the debate as Lili wasnt and even then saying Lili's evolution is better than Sinon's is objectively false. Using your argument GGO was Sinon's story. Lili's was wrapped up in 2 episodes at best and it was lackluster as most of this adaptation especially compared to the novels

However the amount of episodes doesn't matter everytime. I've seen better characters in just 3 episodes because of how they are handled. This is not the case. Both bell and Kirito aren't even decent characters but Hestia and Bell are not better than Kirito and Sinon
Jul 9, 2015 7:50 AM

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TheBigGuy said:
TheGrandSage23 said:


From a non bias standpoint. Sinon and Kirito were massively better than Hestia and Bell. Their interactions weren't cringeworthy and their chemistry was actually good.

I can't even see how you can get that impression that Hestia/Bell were a better duo.


In which way is the interaction between Bell and Hestia cringeworthy? Okay, she is a bit overprotective and overly jealous. But, that is understandable, because he was the first child of her familia and she is romantically interested in him.

I like SAO also, but relationships are better handled in Danmachi in my opinion.


1) Because both Hestia and Bell aren't actually good characters
2) Hestia's personslity wears thin after 5 episodes. That's cringeworthy. If Hestia's character is there for being fanservice and their to be harem girl 101 then she has no use
3) they don't really have chemistry and barely have screentime

"Relationships are better handled in Danmachi"

Like I've said before

Shit with sprinkles is still shit
Jul 9, 2015 7:53 AM
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Hestia/Bell is better than Sinon/Kirito?!

Well then the bias is clearly evident from this thread. Make this on the anime discussion thread to have a non bias debate. Not people flinging crap at each other
Jul 9, 2015 8:41 AM

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TheGrandSage23 said:
TheBigGuy said:


In which way is the interaction between Bell and Hestia cringeworthy? Okay, she is a bit overprotective and overly jealous. But, that is understandable, because he was the first child of her familia and she is romantically interested in him.

I like SAO also, but relationships are better handled in Danmachi in my opinion.


1) Because both Hestia and Bell aren't actually good characters
2) Hestia's personslity wears thin after 5 episodes. That's cringeworthy. If Hestia's character is there for being fanservice and their to be harem girl 101 then she has no use
3) they don't really have chemistry and barely have screentime

"Relationships are better handled in Danmachi"

Like I've said before

Shit with sprinkles is still shit


Well said, what's interesting about Hestia anyway? I only saw in this 13 episodes "Bell-kun, Bell-kun" and her acts of jealousy. So can someone tell me WHAT IS INTERESTING IN HER PERSONALITY? cause I found none only traits of child - possesivness, overjealousy, recklesness and rushness to do stupid things" Only bad traits for me her good would be only "protectivness" nothing more... since all the other stuff she got is thanks to Bell.
Her body isn't enough for me to fall for her, like you horny brats which I am sure can't get a girlfriend in real life, so you must fap to characters like her. Please don't disturb yourselves failures :]
Jul 9, 2015 1:21 PM

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TheGrandSage23 said:
Zefyris said:
I love how you claim that it's a "non bias standpoint" when
1) Kirito has 4 times the number of episode Bell has in your comparison. If you compare kirito's evolution after 13 episodes compared to Bell, Bell is actually better, from a... non bias standpoint. :)
2)You use purposely Hestia as a comparison to sinon, whereas you should use Lili if you want to compare with Sinon. and again, in 13 episodes only. Again, lili's evolution is far better than is Sinon in the first 13 episodes of the s2
from a... non bias standpoint again. :)



"You purposely used Hestia as a comparison to Sinon" because it was part of the debate as Lili wasnt and even then saying Lili's evolution is better than Sinon's is objectively false. Using your argument GGO was Sinon's story. Lili's was wrapped up in 2 episodes at best and it was lackluster as most of this adaptation especially compared to the novels

However the amount of episodes doesn't matter everytime. I've seen better characters in just 3 episodes because of how they are handled. This is not the case. Both bell and Kirito aren't even decent characters but Hestia and Bell are not better than Kirito and Sinon

in 13 episodes, Sinon hasn't evolved as much as Lili did. Again, you're taking sinon on the whole course of S2. (and even then, it's very arguable).
Sinon wasn't part of the debate either. It was Asuna. YOU brought Sinon as a comparison. I say okay, but then compare her to Lili instead. Because this is a far more logical choice considering the position both characters were.(in trouble, saved by the mc and falling in love but without being seen by the mc as a love target, and so on).
More episode= more time for development.
Stop being extremely BIASED while claiming you're not, this is unsightly.
Jul 9, 2015 3:37 PM

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Like some ppl stated earlier this topic shouldn't even be created. If you want to know which is better check score ratings of both, even this doesn't really matter as both of the shows are pretty good in their genre, except some boring characters without development or too much focus on 1 of the characters.
Jul 19, 2015 9:44 PM

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LastChapter said:
Now let's head off to the Shokugeki no Souma board and make a "Shokugeki no Souma or Gintama" thread. Better yet, "JoJo or Fairy Tail."

>.>

If it's similar to Gintama I'm going to watch it :D
Aug 30, 2015 11:22 PM
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Dislike both but Dungeon wins IMO
Sep 25, 2015 12:46 AM

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Sep 26, 2015 4:14 AM

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I prefer DanMachi.

I loved the first half; first season of SAO, after that it just went downhill. For me, I felt DanMachi the same as I did with SAO's first season's half, and it continued throughout the whole series. So yeah, DanMachi!

Edit: Although, I hope to see Bell man up a bit more if there were be a second season.
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Sep 26, 2015 4:26 AM

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Danmachi a shit.
Oct 11, 2015 11:52 AM
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SAO:
NEET Kirito gets trapped in a video game. He basically gets max level in 3 episodes then he travels around showing off his max level and stats. He enjoys AFK in towns and gets married. He's not afraid of anything. He doesn't care about anything. He does not want to be a hero. He has no goals, just like real life MMO gamers. Kirito is inside a video game with a dungeon, and he treats it like a game.


Danmachi:
A world where you can live normally or receive the blessing of a god to gain special strength/stats to explore dungeons to earn a living. Naive, friendless, and weak Bell wants to join a god's family and work hard for them. When he does join a family, he constantly works hard even though he is weak for a long time. He meets a girl he likes and works even harder to get her attention and wants to be a hero for his friends. Bell is not in a video game, with a dungeon. Exploring the dungeon is a job and a way of living but only with the blessing of a god, otherwise you don't gain stats.


The only similarities of the two shows are the terms "dungeon", "level/stat", "monster/boss".
There are too many people saying these are similar shows. All those people need to focus on the shows because they clearly are not paying attention and only watching anime for the sake of watching anime and because it's more and more mainstream now.
Oct 13, 2015 9:32 AM
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I am SAO fan, i never said im not. :S

They just bought him time while he was charging his super op ability. Hestia said that this ability is perfect for one that wants to be a hero, that spell can one shot anything. Can you tell what unreasonable crap did Kirito do? Auto hack game when he is down? What that means?
Divine Stone of Returning Soul Stone, did you even watch anime? It seems you watched it just so you can trash it later, without paying attention to anything so there is no point in discussing SAO with you.


That was for the pet dragon lol.

Even the wiki contradicts itself.

"Disable all revive"

We never see the stone in when Jesus rose.form.the dead.

And Asuna lol.


Oct 13, 2015 9:33 AM

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They're both plebtraps but if I had to pick, danmachi.
Oct 31, 2015 7:36 PM

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DanMachi, simply as (unlike SAO) you can't wright an entiere book about its plot hloes and why they make no sence
Nov 1, 2015 12:53 AM

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DanMachi for many reasons. SAO wasn't the least exciting to watch compared to DanMachi which has a nice plot, interesting characters, better fights/foes and just a lot more in general.

The only thing I'd change about DanMachi would be the whole Harem crap. But SAO is a whole different story, it's a nolife experiment gone bad. The whole adventure in it is so fake and if anyone has ever worked on game development (even better on VR games) knows that this story has 100000 flaws.
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DanMichi is basically SAO lite. I really liked both anime but I think SAO covered a lot more ground and went way more in-depth even in just the first thirteen episodes.
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teflonpan said:
DanMichi is basically SAO lite. I really liked both anime but I think SAO covered a lot more ground and went way more in-depth even in just the first thirteen episodes.


Are you suggesting that DanMachi should evolve more than it already did in that first season? If that's the case, I disagree with ya. The whole season was already rushed and skipped a lot of things that were mentioned in the LN between Volumes 1-5.

Also how exactly does SAO cover a lot more ground in the first 13 Episodes? If SAO would end at the 13th Episode the whole story would fall apart and almost everything would stay unanswered. SAO maybe worked better because it was a given that it would get an additional 12 episodes at that point.

I can't see how DanMachi is SAO lite version. The only thing they have in common is Dungeon Exploration. Other than that, they are completely different.
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nastyolroshi said:
DanMachi for many reasons. SAO wasn't the least exciting to watch compared to DanMachi which has a nice plot, interesting characters, better fights/foes and just a lot more in general.

The only thing I'd change about DanMachi would be the whole Harem crap. But SAO is a whole different story, it's a nolife experiment gone bad. The whole adventure in it is so fake and if anyone has ever worked on game development (even better on VR games) knows that this story has 100000 flaws.


DanMachi had an average and underdeveloped plot. Screwed up in direction and execution. Gives us random plot points but no explanation.And it made Bell a retarded and thirsty character. There were no interesting characters in DanMachi. The gods don't get enough screentime for people to give a damn. Bell is average in every bad way. Hestia was decent till the last few episodes and became wasted potential.. The gods in general were. Lili and the other guy was decent. Aiz was the most one dimensional character this year. No emotion no personality. Another bland stoic "badass" how a bad character is "ohmegerd best grill" I have no clue Freya is a poor man's Hisoka/Tsukiyama. Why she's the villain I have no clue but she's hot and masturbates so there's that. Fights in both series were about the same

Both are 5/10
Aug 29, 2017 9:04 AM
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Isn't it pretty biased to ask this on the forum for DanMachi?
Aug 29, 2017 9:09 AM

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If I had to pick one I'll say DanMachi, cause I can't do SAO lol but I prefer neither in all honesty lol
Sep 18, 2017 9:56 AM
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Danmachi is certainly prettier to look at, and I'd rather stare at the cast of Danmachi than Kirito. The only acceptable Kirito was the ep 1 working avatar for Kirito, what a wasted design. I'd rather personally stare at Bete or Lili though. The sad thing is that relative to what they ended up being they're a waste of good art and design, Danmachi ofc more passable than SAO.
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I only like first arc of SOA when they were still trapped in the game. Its gone downhill after that.

I prefer DanMachi more as of now because it has comedy, romance, action, and adventure. SOA is fine but it's just too serious for my preference.


I thank you your profile pic reminded me of mushishi time to re watch that for the 5th time xd
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genesic123 said:
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I'll vote none since that option exists.

But if I to compare then the first season of SAO + GGO I found enjoyable, so in that case SAO > this show. HOWEVER, those 2 arcs after GGO are just so horrible, I can't describe it, such cancer-producing BS... full of papa, onii-chan, other cheesy dialouge, stupid melodrama of some random girl who has a terminal illness which just makes it so cringe-worthy, fosucing on the worst character in the show (asuna), forgetting about kirito and forgetting about all other female characters. I mean what the hell am I watching? I'm talking about mother rosaria and that other filler arc. Those ruined the series for me. What a stupid decision from the writer to create those garbage arcs.


At least SAO wasn't as serious as some shock value shows that anime fandom praised as good.

Danamachi is better.Tone was correct,and had a refreshing main that wasn't a shinji ikari clone with MUH TRAGIC BACKSTORY.

Finally, it didn't abuse its boob string gimmic
”refreshing main” 😂
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q1w2e3r4t5 said:
genesic123 said:


At least SAO wasn't as serious as some shock value shows that anime fandom praised as good.

Danamachi is better.Tone was correct,and had a refreshing main that wasn't a shinji ikari clone with MUH TRAGIC BACKSTORY.

Finally, it didn't abuse its boob string gimmic
”refreshing main” 😂



It is different.You still cant laugh it off with no explanation.


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By refreshing, do you mean characters that don’t have brains? He’s happy go lucky, straight forward, emotion driven, and naive, merciful, and plain dumb. and those things always get him into trouble. Kirito doesn’t have any of these traits.
May 23, 2019 8:17 AM
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Danmachi LN is better the SAO
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Both are pretty bad
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I too prefer Danmachi. The characters are far more likable.
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DanMachi, because they add more to its plot. Whereas for SAO, they just put the characters in different games in every season, there isn't really character growth. Well this is just my opinion. I'm just more drawn to DanMachi as well.
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