Donald Trump is reportedly on course to spend more of US taxpayers’ money on travel in his first year as president than Barack Obama did in his entire time in office. The US President has spent 21 of his 80 days in office at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, where he recently met Chinese Premier Xi Jinping. When Barack Obama made a similar four day trip to the sunshine state in 2013, a 2016 Government Accountability Office report found the total cost to the Secret Service and Coast Guard was $3.6 million (£2.9 million). While estimating the cost of Mr Trump's trips is difficult, using Mr Obama's trip as a benchmark, the cost of the current president's trips are estimated to be $21.6 million (£16.9 million), according to US broadcaster, CNN. Were he to continue at that pace, his travel costs would dwarf the $97 million (£78 million) in travel expenses accrued during Mr Obama's eight-year term in office, according to US Secret Service and Air Force documents reviewed by Judicial Watch. Mr Trump has demanded spending cuts across the rest of government. His proposed budget has reduced non-defence spending by $54 billion (£43.5 million), resulting in deep cuts to the budgets of the US State Department, the Department for Housing and Urban Development, and the Environmental Protection Agency Government-funded programmes set to be cut include medical research, international aid initiatives and NASA climate change studies. Mr Trump frequently criticised Mr Obama, his predecessor, for taking holidays and for playing golf. “Can you believe that, with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf. Worse than Carter,” he wrote in October 2014. And in May 2016 he said: “While our wonderful president was out playing golf all day, the TSA is falling apart, just like our government! Airports a total disaster!” The below chart, created for The Independent by statistics agency Statista, shows how Donald Trump's time spent golfing compares with that of previous US presidents.  The Republican leader also promised during last year’s presidential campaign that, if elected, he would not go golfing. "I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to go play golf," he said in August 2016. In the same year, he told a rally: “You know what - and I love golf – but if I were in the White House, I don’t think I’d ever see Turnberry again, I don’t think I’d ever see Doral again, I own Doral in Miami, I don’t think I’d ever see many of the places that I have. "I don’t ever think that I’d see anything, I just wanna stay in the White House and work my ass off, make great deals, right? Who's gonna leave? I mean, who's gonna leave?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-travel-expenses-barack-obama-mar-a-lago-two-terms-8-years-us-president-florida-golf-a7678316.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wonder if this is why in the first 100 days, Trump has done almost nothing except Talk shit / lie / backtrack / whine (a lot of whining) and of course sign executive orders that either can't be enforced / don't do anything / get repealed instantly / help people like himself. Good to know that my taxpayer dollars are going to help a multi-billionaire take an 8-year long vacation while he does unethical business deals with global leaders because "conflict of interest ethics laws don't apply to me so idgaf". |
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| what do you guys even expect from this guy? |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| I'd like to point out those are estimates made by CNN. Don't worry I'm sure they are completely accurate and not another hit job. |
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| Obama was always on the golf course tbh. |
fuck everything and rumble |
ThomasDankEngine said: Estimates based on a conservative think-tank who was doing the same thing to Obama - Although one could very easily infer that travel expenses due to airforce one / secret service are roughly equivalent between presidencies (and if they don't factor in inflation, this would result in them underestimating Trump's costs, so you can't really bring that up). It doesn't require a genius to put two and two together - If Trump spends as much time vacationing in one year as Obama did in 8, the amount spent on vacationing (to the exact same spot mind you) will be roughly equivalent. I'd like to point out those are estimates made by CNN. Don't worry I'm sure they are completely accurate and not another hit job. However the fact still remains, about 25% of his presidency has been spent on "vacation". Costs aside, the amount of time he spends "golfing" is not insignificant, not that it would be such a popular point of contention if it wasn't for the fact he consistently bitched about Obama doing it and assured the people there would be no golfing when if he was elected. And in case you were curious, yes he spent yesterday golfing too - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-golfing-palm-beach-north-korea-war-china-a7684646.html |
Pirating_NinjaApr 15, 2017 7:57 AM
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| Oh lordie! What ever will we do. Trump plays golf. Let's riot in the streets! |
 Although too be fair, at least Obama actually managed to do something while he was president - Trump's scoreboard is 0 wins and a few losses (e.g. Trumpcare, travel ban) |
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Pirating_Ninja said: This right here is what needs to be investigated.When Barack Obama made a similar four day trip to the sunshine state in 2013, a 2016 Government Accountability Office report found the total cost to the Secret Service and Coast Guard was $3.6 million (£2.9 million). Why does it cost so much to use people who are already hired? People who are already being paid? My suspicion is that people are pulling in costs retroactively. Oh this guy who's been with the company for 30 years? He's going too? He had a full week of work set up regardless? He's part of the cost of the trip. So what you're left with is the cost of running equipment. In this instance it's believable to assume that more equipment than before is being used, considering the sheer irrational obsession the left has displayed in removing him from power. He needs to be protected, or some crazy left wing nut IS going to kill him. So, in this sense if Trump were to make the same amount of trips as Obama the security cost would still rise. Those who engage in politics as a daily activity yet are not politicians are the ones to blame in this aspect. Then we still have the possibility that Trump's expenses are actually less than Obama's expenses. For all we know Trump is paying a fair portion of the expense. He's not likely paying for his own security, but that has nothing to do with hotel expenses and the like. To begin with neither side likely pays anything at all for him to stay at his own damn hotel. Since the basis of this is entirely on past information and no actual evidence to this conclusion has been made clear, this is an obvious possibility. Not only can the President stay for free, but all of his personnel too. |
Pirating_Ninja said: Although too be fair, at least Obama actually managed to do something while he was president - Trump's scoreboard is 0 wins and a few losses (e.g. Trumpcare, travel ban) Like increase my insurance rates and increase the national dept? GG Obama |
SpamuraiSensei said: Pirating_Ninja said: Although too be fair, at least Obama actually managed to do something while he was president - Trump's scoreboard is 0 wins and a few losses (e.g. Trumpcare, travel ban) Like increase my insurance rates and increase the national dept? GG Obama the point is, hypocrisy holy fucking hypocrisy is hilarious, considering Trumpy's past tweets I don't think anyone could go back and claim that he "posted those ironically" at the time |
| Someone told me this dude wasn't going to take the paycheck for being president for four years. I have this feeling that paycheck won't cover his expenses as a president, assuming he really doesn't take it. |
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SongstressSL said: Someone told me this dude wasn't going to take the paycheck for being president for four years. I have this feeling that paycheck won't cover his expenses as a president, assuming he really doesn't take it. he doesn't earn much from being the president annual salary for president is only 400k + so yes, he has already spent way more than what he'll earn in 4 years rofl it's just a retarded PR stunt |
Zeally said: SongstressSL said: Someone told me this dude wasn't going to take the paycheck for being president for four years. I have this feeling that paycheck won't cover his expenses as a president, assuming he really doesn't take it. he doesn't earn much from being the president annual salary for president is only 400k + so yes, he has already spent way more than what he'll earn in 4 years rofl it's just a retarded PR stunt Watch him take his pay every year lol (in addition to the expenses, of course) |
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Takuan_Soho said: SongstressSL said: Watch him take his pay every year lol (in addition to the expenses, of course) Actually he has to take his pay, its been a rule since George Washington's time. Trump already donated his first paycheck (for 3 months) to the National Park Service. As for "golfing", most of his outings have been work, either foreign leaders or political leaders. So there is a difference between a "working vacation" and a "personal vacation". As for the costs, think that using Obama as a base is wrong. It's not as if Trump is going to random locations, he is going to the same place, that would cut costs dramatically. It's like when GWB went to his Texas Ranch. That would have secret service protection regardless of whether he was there or not, Miami is probably the same thing. I do not. In the end, tax money spent, is tax money spent. I do not care if it is a personal or working vacation. Either way, he got caught being a hypocrit. |
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Takuan_Soho said: SongstressSL said: I do not. In the end, tax money spent, is tax money spent. I do not care if it is a personal or working vacation. Either way, he got caught being a hypocrit. Of course "you do not". You don't care about facts, you have your opinion and you are going to stick to it no matter what! Takuan_Soho said: SongstressSL said: I do not. In the end, tax money spent, is tax money spent. I do not care if it is a personal or working vacation. Either way, he got caught being a hypocrit. Of course "you do not". You don't care about facts, you have your opinion and you are going to stick to it no matter what! Takuan_Soho said: SongstressSL said: I do not. In the end, tax money spent, is tax money spent. I do not care if it is a personal or working vacation. Either way, he got caught being a hypocrit. Of course "you do not". You don't care about facts, you have your opinion and you are going to stick to it no matter what! You are wrong again. What I care about are results. I do not care about the means. If previous presidents were able to spend less, then why can't this guy? Edit: I see no reason to further respond to you even if you reply to this. You've already resorted to disrespectful assumptions of me in the last post, meaning you have no valid arguments to make. I will have no more of this nonsense from you. |
BalsaminaApr 16, 2017 7:35 PM
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spuukiebuugi said: the point is, hypocrisy holy fucking hypocrisy is hilarious, considering Trumpy's past tweets I don't think anyone could go back and claim that he "posted those ironically" at the time Eh... 99.99% of all politicians are hypocrits / flip floppers. I'd just like to know how they get all this free time to play golf, and go on vacations. I thought they were suppose to be super busy and stuff. |
SpamuraiSensei said: spuukiebuugi said: the point is, hypocrisy holy fucking hypocrisy is hilarious, considering Trumpy's past tweets I don't think anyone could go back and claim that he "posted those ironically" at the time Eh... 99.99% of all politicians are hypocrits / flip floppers. I'd just like to know how they get all this free time to play golf, and go on vacations. I thought they were suppose to be super busy and stuff. They are, but Trump is just kind of gross to me regardless. There is no way in hell that most people could make me like him as a person, forget about as a politician. I don't dislike people who support him rather than merely disagree with them, but when they start straying into "worship" territory, I'll say something. It's both a misalignment with him politically and generally, as a person. I don't necessarily claim to have a moral upperhand to him (I'm a nasty person myself), yet I find him to be... sleazy nonetheless. I can separate character from whatever he supports, but the two still majority contradict or don't sit well with me. I do understand why he garnered more votes and won the election, sure. However, his winning was not fueled by the positivity of change, but the way I'd like to think of it, the disgruntlement and negativity of the election itself, as well as the general news meddling surrounding it, wikileaks bullshit, political polarization, etc. Trump is good for memes & did a couple okay things thus far that were likely more or less thought up by overseers. That's all I give him. Not a popularized CE opinion, and people will denounce it like the plague or call it unfounded. That's fine. I also don't see him as being a catastrophic time bomb that some have estimated him to be. Or "literally Satan/Hitler". Whatever phrase is going around this week. There are worse out there. Is he a decent person or politician in my humble opinion? Hell no. Is he the devil reincarnate? Uh, no. As for politicians and vacay time: maybe they do business whilst on these vacations? Presumably it's a mixture of business and pleasure, assuming they don't have any break days whatsoever, consider it the hypothetical "thirty minute break" of their "shift work". |
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spuukiebuugi said: SpamuraiSensei said: Eh... 99.99% of all politicians are hypocrits / flip floppers. I'd just like to know how they get all this free time to play golf, and go on vacations. I thought they were suppose to be super busy and stuff. They are, but Trump is just kind of gross to me regardless. There is no way in hell that most people could make me like him as a person, forget about as a politician. I don't dislike people who support him rather than merely disagree with them, but when they start straying into "worship" territory, I'll say something. It's both a misalignment with him politically and generally, as a person. I don't necessarily claim to have a moral upperhand to him (I'm a nasty person myself), yet I find him to be... sleazy nonetheless. I can separate character from whatever he supports, but the two still majority contradict or don't sit well with me. I do understand why he garnered more votes and won the election, sure. However, his winning was not fueled by the positivity of change, but the way I'd like to think of it, the disgruntlement and negativity of the election itself, as well as the general news meddling surrounding it, wikileaks bullshit, political polarization, etc. Trump is good for memes & did a couple okay things thus far that were likely more or less thought up by overseers. That's all I give him. Not a popularized CE opinion, and people will denounce it like the plague or call it unfounded. That's fine. I also don't see him as being a catastrophic time bomb that some have estimated him to be. Or "literally Satan/Hitler". Whatever phrase is going around this week. There are worse out there. Is he a decent person or politician in my humble opinion? Hell no. Is he the devil reincarnate? Uh, no. As for politicians and vacay time: maybe they do business whilst on these vacations? Presumably it's a mixture of business and pleasure, assuming they don't have any break days whatsoever, consider it the hypothetical "thirty minute break" of their "shift work". You're not suppose to come off as reasonable when you post in the CE section. =3 From what I heard about it, people in the fight business speak highly of him. Supposedly he opened up his venues to promotions when nobody else would. So.. he gets a few Coolio points there from me. Also heard stuff about him stiffing companies from work projects forcing them out of business. Didn't consider him Presidential material, but with the way things were I'm not too bothered by him winning. We'll see after 4-8 years if his reign is positive or negative. Definitely had a bad lot of people to choose from this election season. |
100% agree. I can't help but wish Bernie Sanders won but no use crying over spilled milk. |
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SongstressSL said: 100% agree. I can't help but wish Bernie Sanders won but no use crying over spilled milk. Bernie got burned by his own party. Get it.. burned and Bernie? Haha I'm a comedic genius. |
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