Yooka-Laylee devs remove Youtuber JonTron from the game due to expressing support of racist and far-right beliefs.
bereta002 said: If you don't have time to read the thread, why are you here? It's very clear from the arguments that people are discussing JonTron himself and whether or not they agree with the choices of the developers. Your reply is just proving my point. People getting butthurt because having similar beliefs with JonTron and thinking this is just censorship and the game is now a "SJW propaganda game". If the developers wanted to stay out of politics, they wouldn't have removed a person for political reasons. There's nothing you can do to argue with this statement. |
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bereta002 said: So am I to understand that you're assuming what I am thinking based on a guess at what you think my post is inspired by?Thrashinuva said: This is the most bigoted statement in this entire topic, including the subject at hand. Your reply is just proving my point. People getting butthurt because having similar beliefs with JonTron and thinking this is just censorship and the game is now a "SJW propaganda game". Since the beginning of Kickstarter campaign it's very clear this game is a spiritual successor to Banjo Kazooie. No room for politics. If you want a far-right game, go play another game. If you are so butthurt because JonTron got removed from it, created a game for him. Like, how can I even argue with this? You're acting as if you can read my mind all the way from across an ocean. Do you even understand how dumb that is? Do you want to guess at how many of the assumptions you just made are true? |
kamalashki said: Since when did I equate opinions to hate? I used bigot ironically as it's a word frequently used by left leaning voters, which I assume was the kind of person I was engaged with. Bigot doesn't necessarily describe hate, but rather intolerance. It's very clear that he's very intolerant to those who hold dissimilar beliefs from his own surrounding politics.Thrashinuva said: thats a rare word u usedThis is the most bigoted statement in this entire topic, including the subject at hand. since when opinion=hate? To shift away from that however, it's furthermore ironic that you seem to defend opinion as something that is not hate, when that's the very subject we are discussing. |
kamalashki said: Goodnight my friend.Thrashinuva said: meh i didnt even read whats the post abt just wanted to trigger someone so i can fall asleepSince when did I equate opinions to hate? I used bigot ironically as it's a word frequently used by left leaning voters, which I assume was the kind of person I was engaged with. Bigot doesn't necessarily describe hate, but rather intolerance. It's very clear that he's very intolerant to those who hold dissimilar beliefs from his own surrounding politics. To shift away from that however, it's furthermore ironic that you seem to defend opinion as something that is not hate, when that's the very subject we are discussing. |
bereta002 said: Thrashinuva said: This is the most bigoted statement in this entire topic, including the subject at hand. Your reply is just proving my point. People getting butthurt because having similar beliefs with JonTron and thinking this is just censorship and the game is now a "SJW propaganda game". Since the beginning of Kickstarter campaign it's very clear this game is a spiritual successor to Banjo Kazooie. No room for politics. If you want a far-right game, go play another game. If you are so butthurt because JonTron got removed from it, created a game for him. There are so many things wrong with what you just wrote. Nobody thinks what Playtronic did was "Censorship" , Except for maybe what they did in the Steam forums, and if they do, they're retarded.Obligatory "But muh Ad Homeniem!" I don't think many people think this is a "SJW propaganda game" either. You are correct though, This is a spiritual successor to banjo Kazooie/Tootie, and there isn't any room for Politics. The issue is, what Jontron stated had nothing to do with their game. It would have likely had no bearing on the sales of the game. Honestly, It wasn't a very well-known or cared about fact that Jontron even had a role in this game. However, a group known for being a toxic cesspool which contains human beings that are objectively worse than anything you can pin on Jontron, made some autistic screeching Obligatory "But t-t-thats offensive! REEEEE" and Playtronic, for whatever reason, decided to take a the political stance of removing Jontron, because he said something they didn't agree with. How dare he have a political position, or cater ideas that go against the "liberal" hivemind. But yeah, you toss around Far-Right, although I highly even doubt Jontron is even right of center in actuality. What is wrong with having conservative ideas, anyway? Because it gets in the way of "Progressivism" which is the current religion of good? But i guess to sum it up, Its less about Jontron being removed itself, and more about a company needlessly taking a rash position based on a "potential" backlash, without regard to the backlash that would be incurred from hurting someone that is legitimately a good person in the process. People shouldn't be lambasted for having a differing opinion, and what he said certainly wasn't hate speech. If what he said was wrong, then instead of going "REEEEEEEEEEEEEE RACIST REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" you should eloquently present the facts that show that he is wrong. |
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| I don't know much about JonTron and from this mess I don't really care to know about him, but why is this such a big deal to this company? I don't even think he voiced a major role in the game? I'm not defending what he said, that was incredibly ignorant on his part, I just doubt enough people would have actually planned on buying the game but then choose not to because some guy who voices a character with 2 lines is racist. It's not like he's making mad bank on this game so it's really not enough to mean keeping him would be "supporting" him. |
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chinesecartoonz said: I don't know much about JonTron and from this mess I don't really care to know about him, but why is this such a big deal to this company? I don't even think he voiced a major role in the game? I'm not defending what he said, that was incredibly ignorant on his part, I just doubt enough people would have actually planned on buying the game but then choose not to because some racist guy voices a character with 2 lines. It's not like he's making mad bank on this game so it's really not enough to mean keeping him would be "supporting" him. The problem lies in the fact that the JonTron fanbase is large enough and childish enough to boycott a game because of this. He's sitting at 3,135,879 subs right now, just to give you a good idea of how many people are part of the fanbase at minimum. The people who would have bought the game just because he was in it are outnumbered by the people who are now going to boycott it because of the incident. edit: It's a bad decision because they weren't going to lose much by keeping him in (since he wasn't going to be making much/any money off this), but now they have definitely lost sales. They shouldn't have gotten political about this. |
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| That's how life goes, especially in business. and I doubt JonTron really gives a shit about that role in the game anyways. He makes so much fucking bank making a few videos every now and then. |
Hargad said: Was anybody gonna recognize Jon's voice anyway? Aren't they using the same voice style as in BK? Like the "blablablablabla" style? Yeah, i mean... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBeUkeWYUS8&t=5m43s |
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bereta002 said: Is everyone who disagrees with you a troll? I think you've made your position very clear on how much you are willing to accept the opinion of others. Nobody should waste their time with you.I read and I know you are an old troll in this forum and this is not the first time I'm wasting my time with you. I don't want to waste more of it with an asshole like you. |
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bereta002 said: Syrup- said: If you don't have time to read the thread, why are you here? It's very clear from the arguments that people are discussing JonTron himself and whether or not they agree with the choices of the developers. If the developers wanted to stay out of politics, they wouldn't have removed a person for political reasons. There's nothing you can do to argue with this statement. I read and I know you are an old troll in this forum and this is not the first time I'm wasting my time with you. I don't want to waste more of it with an asshole like you. Thrashinuva said: So am I to understand that you're assuming what I am thinking based on a guess at what you think my post is inspired by? Like, how can I even argue with this? You're acting as if you can read my mind all the way from across an ocean. Do you even understand how dumb that is? Do you want to guess at how many of the assumptions you just made are true? All your post in this thread is nothing but whining because you have sympathy with JonTron opinions. You just don't have courage to admit it. No problems in being a far-right. FontSize72LOL said: There are so many things wrong with what you just wrote. Nobody thinks what Playtronic did was "Censorship" , Except for maybe what they did in the Steam forums, and if they do, they're retarded.Obligatory "But muh Ad Homeniem!" I don't think many people think this is a "SJW propaganda game" either. You are correct though, This is a spiritual successor to banjo Kazooie/Tootie, and there isn't any room for Politics. The issue is, what Jontron stated had nothing to do with their game. It would have likely had no bearing on the sales of the game. Honestly, It wasn't a very well-known or cared about fact that Jontron even had a role in this game. However, a group known for being a toxic cesspool which contains human beings that are objectively worse than anything you can pin on Jontron, made some autistic screeching Obligatory "But t-t-thats offensive! REEEEE" and Playtronic, for whatever reason, decided to take a the political stance of removing Jontron, because he said something they didn't agree with. How dare he have a political position, or cater ideas that go against the "liberal" hivemind. But yeah, you toss around Far-Right, although I highly even doubt Jontron is even right of center in actuality. What is wrong with having conservative ideas, anyway? Because it gets in the way of "Progressivism" which is the current religion of good? But i guess to sum it up, Its less about Jontron being removed itself, and more about a company needlessly taking a rash position based on a "potential" backlash, without regard to the backlash that would be incurred from hurting someone that is legitimately a good person in the process. People shouldn't be lambasted for having a differing opinion, and what he said certainly wasn't hate speech. If what he said was wrong, then instead of going "REEEEEEEEEEEEEE RACIST REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" you should eloquently present the facts that show that he is wrong. The main issue is: Today everyone mix everything with politics. There is a massive SJW hatedom and a massive SJW supporters. Staying with JonTron could had led to people to think YL devs are siding with his views. They did the best for the game considering the team intentions of distant themselves of politics: "Look, we don't want to get into political agendas or controversy, we just want people to play our game". The same could be said if JonTron was a "SJW supporter". Another way they could have came about it, If they really felt it was an issue that needed to be addressed, they could have said "The views expressed by Jontron are not reflective of our views over at Playtronic" or some shit. The situation was one where you're going to upset someone no matter what. I think going with a statement, while keeping Jontron's work would have had less of an impact than outright cutting it from the game. It was the most moderate option they could have picked, If addressing it was a necessity. |
bereta002 said: This is an opinion.All your post in this thread is nothing but whining because you have sympathy with JonTron opinions. This is an assumption.You just don't have courage to admit it. This is a baseless assumption designed as an attack.No problems in being a far-right. This is another assumption. |
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Syrup- said: It's a bad decision because they weren't going to lose much by keeping him in (since he wasn't going to be making much/any money off this), but now they have definitely lost sales. They shouldn't have gotten political about this. You realize there's a bit more to business than just selling things to consumers, right? If they didn't take a strong stance against this sort of thing, they could missed out on opportunities to grow their company. |
Anti-Agelast said: Syrup- said: It's a bad decision because they weren't going to lose much by keeping him in (since he wasn't going to be making much/any money off this), but now they have definitely lost sales. They shouldn't have gotten political about this. You realize there's a bit more to business than just selling things to consumers, right? If they didn't take a strong stance against this sort of thing, they could missed out on opportunities to grow their company. If anything this only had a bad effect on their company though. I certainly won't be buying anything from them after this. |
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Narmy said: I don't understand why you'd be buying from them in the first place.I certainly won't be buying anything from them after this. Banjo Kazooie (and thus Yooka-Laylee in turn) has to be the most boring type of platforming game ever. Get thrown in a large map. Run around and gather collectibles. Rinse, repeat, ad infinitum. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: Narmy said: I don't understand why you'd be buying from them in the first place.I certainly won't be buying anything from them after this. Banjo Kazooie (and thus Yooka-Laylee in turn) has to be the most boring type of platforming game ever. Get thrown in a large map. Run around and gather collectibles. Rinse, repeat, ad infinitum. I've never played Banjo Kazooie, so I wasn't interested in this particular game. I was more talking about if they made any other games. |
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Narmy said: If anything this only had a bad effect on their company though. I certainly won't be buying anything from them after this. Better some missed sales than some missed investors. |
Anti-Agelast said: There's a surprising amount of people in this thread that just don't seem to get it. The people are the ones who will buy your game. The people are the ones keeping you afloat. Respect your customers. Trying to make political/moral decisions for them will just alienate them.Syrup- said: It's a bad decision because they weren't going to lose much by keeping him in (since he wasn't going to be making much/any money off this), but now they have definitely lost sales. They shouldn't have gotten political about this. You realize there's a bit more to business than just selling things to consumers, right? If they didn't take a strong stance against this sort of thing, they could missed out on opportunities to grow their company. |
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razortongue said: Company distances themselves from someone for controversial statements. Nothing new folks. The thing that is new is that due to current political climate the worst of the worst see this as a chance to try to normalize the said controversial statements as "just another opinion". bereta002 said: Good they removed him from the game. This game is for people who miss Banjo-Kazooie and not for people with far right agendas. Correct. Most people harassing developers were not even going to buy the game as its mostly coordinated hate groups defending their precious racists. I would not be surprised if it moves on to the usual tactics of harassment, death threats, etc. Syrup- said: Trying to make political/moral decisions for them will just alienate them. Supporting a racist would be just as political. Everything is politics because everything is opinions. Get that hypocritical bullshit outta here. No money should be made by selling your soul to white supremacists. Anti-Agelast said: Narmy said: If anything this only had a bad effect on their company though. I certainly won't be buying anything from them after this. Better some missed sales than some missed investors. Or cut ties. Or lost business partners. Associating with racists leads you to become a black sheep for YEARS. Just look at Mel Gibson. Dude was ostracized for around a decade. Few manbabies crying on the internet is small price to pay for retaining your integrity and morals. If everyone would have chosen what is right over ignorance and apathy, we would not have a racist manbaby in the white house either. Alas the silverlining in that is that such a situation is causing people to wake up and to say NO to tolerating racists. |
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Syrup- said: Respect your customers. You do realize the argument can be made that dropping Jontron was them being respectful of the customers he was insulting, right? Trying to make political/moral decisions for them will just alienate them. Dropping a guy from a game is making political decisions for customers? |
Anti-Agelast said: Who exactly was he insulting? He didn't call out any races as bad, say racial slurs, etc.Syrup- said: Respect your customers. You do realize the argument can be made that dropping Jontron was them being respectful of the customers he was insulting, right? Trying to make political/moral decisions for them will just alienate them. Dropping a guy from a game is making political decisions for customers? Business isn't a simple game of "do x, get y". There are many things that can influence the customers. I'm not a fan of either JonTron or that Yooka Laylee game, but honestly this whole situation has not improved my opinion of either of them. I don't feel like any of these "crybabies" are unjustified in their anger about this. I'm actually quite annoyed that most people in this thread don't seem to have the capacity to understand any side but their own. I completely understand why people might think "oh yeah he's a nazi" and decide to not buy the game if he were in it, but I also understand the people who say "he's not a nazi, and taking him out means I can't support the game anymore". |
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| ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? And this all goes for pages and pages. Shitposting supreme. They've basically left the Steam Forum to their own device. These retarded fucks just had to make an asinine political stance. Instead of shitting themselves and ridiculing their fanbase for wanting refunds, they could have just went with it and they would have just lost a small portion of the JonTron subscribers and maybe get 2-3 customers from NeoFAG. That would have still been a loss but smaller than this. |
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| I personally believe it was the right decision to remove him. If he's been branded as a blatant racist and being a public enemy of basic human rights, the brand wouldn't want to be associated with him because they don't want to be branded in the same concept. - I am not here for an argument if anyone will even try, this is my personal opinion and will stay this way. |
elfseraph said: Then why post? You're basically masturbating in front of the forums when you say stuff like that.- I am not here for an argument if anyone will even try, this is my personal opinion and will stay this way. |
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elfseraph said: I personally believe it was the right decision to remove him. If he's been branded as a blatant racist and being a public enemy of basic human rights, the brand wouldn't want to be associated with him because they don't want to be branded in the same concept. - I am not here for an argument if anyone will even try, this is my personal opinion and will stay this way. Not going to argue, but I will leave you with this thought: You say "If he's branded as a blatant racist and being a public enemy of basic human rights", do you support the idea of bandwagoning onto a claim without doing your own research and forming your own opinion on the person? Because thats what it sounds like. |
Syrup- said: Is this supposed to make sense? Posting is about the same as commenting. You let your opinion be heard, you are not expected to argue.elfseraph said: Then why post? You're basically masturbating in front of the forums when you say stuff like that.- I am not here for an argument if anyone will even try, this is my personal opinion and will stay this way. |
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sullynathan said: Only the most vain people post just to make themselves be heard. You're on a forum with other people. Expecting that they wont argue with you, and going so far as to announce that you are not going to reply to them, is effectively adding nothing to the thread. You might as well not post at all.Syrup- said: Is this supposed to make sense? Posting is about the same as commenting. You let your opinion be heard, you are not expected to argue.Then why post? You're basically masturbating in front of the forums when you say stuff like that. |
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Syrup- said: You're under the assumption that these arguments contribute anything to a thread in the first place.sullynathan said: Only the most vain people post just to make themselves be heard. You're on a forum with other people. Expecting that they wont argue with you, and going so far as to announce that you are not going to reply to them, is effectively adding nothing to the thread. You might as well not post at all.Is this supposed to make sense? Posting is about the same as commenting. You let your opinion be heard, you are not expected to argue. |
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sullynathan said: Then why are you arguing with me? What exactly is the point of a forum if not to share and debate opinions with eachother? Simply coming in here to say the same thing everyone else has been saying isn't a discussion. It's just a circlejerk.Syrup- said: You're under the assumption that these arguments contribute anything to a thread in the first place.Only the most vain people post just to make themselves be heard. You're on a forum with other people. Expecting that they wont argue with you, and going so far as to announce that you are not going to reply to them, is effectively adding nothing to the thread. You might as well not post at all. |
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Syrup- said: Then why are you arguing with me? What exactly is the point of a forum if not to share and debate opinions with eachother? Simply coming in here to say the same thing everyone else has saying isn't a discussion. It's just a circlejerk. Every discussion isn't a debate. @elfseraph did exactly what you typed, he shared his opinion with everyone else here but he isn't going to debate it nor does he have to. |
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sullynathan said: Syrup- said: Then why are you arguing with me? What exactly is the point of a forum if not to share and debate opinions with eachother? Simply coming in here to say the same thing everyone else has saying isn't a discussion. It's just a circlejerk. Every discussion isn't a debate. @elfseraph did exactly what you typed, he shared his opinion with everyone else here but he isn't going to debate it nor does he have to. Nobody has to "Debate" him because ultimately the act of debating is a two way street. However, If you make a post in a 'public' forum, you can say "Don't respond to me" all you want, wont stop people from challenging your "opinion" if they feel you're wrong. |
sullynathan said: It adds nothing to the discussion at all, and neither does this argument. This is completely stupid and off topic.Syrup- said: Then why are you arguing with me? What exactly is the point of a forum if not to share and debate opinions with eachother? Simply coming in here to say the same thing everyone else has saying isn't a discussion. It's just a circlejerk. Every discussion isn't a debate. @elfseraph did exactly what you typed, he shared his opinion with everyone else here but he isn't going to debate it nor does he have to. |
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FontSize72LOL said: People can challenge it, just don't expect him to respond or berate him for saying he won't respond.sullynathan said: Every discussion isn't a debate. @elfseraph did exactly what you typed, he shared his opinion with everyone else here but he isn't going to debate it nor does he have to. Nobody has to "Debate" him because ultimately the act of debating is a two way street. However, If you make a post in a 'public' forum, you can say "Don't respond to me" all you want, wont stop people from challenging your "opinion" if they feel you're wrong. Syrup- said: If you found it stupid you shouldn't have responded to it in the first placesullynathan said: It adds nothing to the discussion at all, and neither does this argument. This is completely stupid and off topic.Every discussion isn't a debate. @elfseraph did exactly what you typed, he shared his opinion with everyone else here but he isn't going to debate it nor does he have to. |
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sullynathan said: FontSize72LOL said: People can challenge it, just don't expect him to respond or berate him for saying he won't respond.Nobody has to "Debate" him because ultimately the act of debating is a two way street. However, If you make a post in a 'public' forum, you can say "Don't respond to me" all you want, wont stop people from challenging your "opinion" if they feel you're wrong. Syrup- said: If you found it stupid you shouldn't have responded to it in the first placeIt adds nothing to the discussion at all, and neither does this argument. This is completely stupid and off topic. I do get where Syrup is comming from though. He could've chose not to respond without typing the extra bit at the end there. That little bit completely changes the tone of his post. |
| As for Playtonic, it's obvious it's nothing but virtual signaling; it's been shown idiots at NeoGAF were the only ones complaining about him being removed. No one else cared. The MOMENT they brought politics into it Playtonic fucked up and they continued to do so once they started rejecting refunds and insulting their actual customers. They deserve the loss for being outright idiots. Nothing of this matters to the far left; they don't care about what they whining about. They don't care about the game or how this will affect the people behind it and their jobs. Remember, they think anyone who disagrees with them is ~far right~, or nazis, or white supremacists, or racists, or sexists, or Islamophobic, or transphobic, or misogynistics. Simply choose your flavor! I think what more annoying than removing his role for pretty much no reason is that the removal is a DAY-ONE PATCH. This is a bad standard to accept for gaming since it can be applied to anything anytime. Syrup- said: It was actually pretty impressive though. I assumed the statistic didn't exist. Well it effectively doesn't, and that's what bothers me the most. I gave JonTron the benefit of the doubt and looked for it for several hours. I assume this uh, Chris Ray Maldonaldo guy made them up on the spot in order to stir up shit. That's the only logical conclusion I can take aside from putting on a tinfoil hat and saying that they "hid the facts". [/quote] I followed this on Twitter and here's what happened after the stream: Chris Ray Gun post a tweet with a screenshot of that statistic he found and asked if it was real or not to his followers. It caused a big fuss with only a few people actually answering his question (the point of the tweet!) and what they said was that it was fake. CRG had no problem with that, but had to take the tweet down because of everyone throwing a temper tantrum. Jontron said a lot bad stuff on Destiny's stream, true. Yet considering the amount of garbage studies and statistics out there, it's not too surprising Jontron read something that wasn't real and didn't know it. I highly doubt he went that deep into politics and probably wanted to just discuss things rather than argue. He isn't very good at it, as shown, nor does he really have a lot of the knowledge of things like other YTers. He clarified his thoughts in a recent video as well. He should leave the debating to better people like Sargon, who focus on politics, but he's allowed to have his opinion without being fired or slandered. It's utterly ridiculous the amount of people who think it's okay to be fired for having an opinion. I sincerely hope they get fired for having far left opinions so they can know how utterly stupid it is. Syrup- said: elfseraph said: Then why post? You're basically masturbating in front of the forums when you say stuff like that.- I am not here for an argument if anyone will even try, this is my personal opinion and will stay this way. Because they're hypocrites. Because debating means the chance of understanding and being wrong. SJWs are ideologues they can't handle being wrong so they go out of their way to not debate or only focus on things they can use their mental gymnastics on. But, oh, they totally want their right to free speech while restricting others of it! @elfseraph only came out of their safe space because others were agreeing with them in the thread. :P |
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sullynathan said: would you prefer ess jay double ewe instead? Cause y'all are a bunch of sheep who can't stand on your two feet, don't question anything, and just follow the status quo like it's the bible. Call someone an Sjew because they don't want to argue brehs Reddex said: Well I think the problem was some NeoGAF people teamed up to do some epic trolling, advocating to get him removed for the controversial things he said in some videos. The staff responded to the complaints by giving into them by replacing him. I don't think anyone associated Yooka Laylee to JonTron until recently, and that's only because they shot themselves in the foot with this.Would anyone actually get offended if they just left him in the game? |
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Syrup- said: sullynathan said: would you prefer ess jay double ewe instead? Cause y'all are a bunch of sheep who can't stand on your two feet, don't question anything, and just follow the status quo like it's the bible. Call someone an Sjew because they don't want to argue brehs Reddex said: Well I think the problem was some NeoGAF people teamed up to do some epic trolling, advocating to get him removed for the controversial things he said in some videos. The staff responded to the complaints by giving into them by replacing him. I don't think anyone associated Yooka Laylee to JonTron until recently, and that's only because they shot themselves in the foot with this.Would anyone actually get offended if they just left him in the game? are you calling me an SJW? lol, you'll really have to try again |
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sullynathan said: Syrup- said: would you prefer ess jay double ewe instead? Cause y'all are a bunch of sheep who can't stand on your two feet, don't question anything, and just follow the status quo like it's the bible. Well I think the problem was some NeoGAF people teamed up to do some epic trolling, advocating to get him removed for the controversial things he said in some videos. The staff responded to the complaints by giving into them by replacing him. I don't think anyone associated Yooka Laylee to JonTron until recently, and that's only because they shot themselves in the foot with this. are you calling me an SJW? lol, you'll really have to try again Would you prefer the term white knight instead? There's no reason for you to be posting in this thread. |
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Syrup- said: Why is there no reason for me to post in this thread? Why would I be a white knight or an Sjw?Would you prefer the term white knight instead? There's no reason for you to be posting in this thread. |
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Syrup- said: sullynathan said: would you prefer ess jay double ewe instead? Cause y'all are a bunch of sheep who can't stand on your two feet, don't question anything, and just follow the status quo like it's the bible. Call someone an Sjew because they don't want to argue brehs Reddex said: Well I think the problem was some NeoGAF people teamed up to do some epic trolling, advocating to get him removed for the controversial things he said in some videos. The staff responded to the complaints by giving into them by replacing him. I don't think anyone associated Yooka Laylee to JonTron until recently, and that's only because they shot themselves in the foot with this.Would anyone actually get offended if they just left him in the game? Shouldn't game devs know by now that overreacting to these things blows them way out of proportion? If they had just waited to see what the actual census was they wouldn't be in this situation today. |
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sullynathan said: Forums are made for discussion.Syrup- said: Is this supposed to make sense? Posting is about the same as commenting. You let your opinion be heard, you are not expected to argue.Then why post? You're basically masturbating in front of the forums when you say stuff like that. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| I can agree with people bashing Playtonic. I can agree with people who couldn't care less and will just buy the game anyway because it looks fun. I can NOT agree with anyone defending Playtonic in this in any way. 1 - But it's their right to do it! Yes, so is the right of the public to backlash. If you criticize people for "overreacting", you're contradicting this idea. 2 - They didn't want politics in their games! No one was considering JonTron being there as a political statement, all he did was mumble random stuff for some 3D cartoon character. Taking him away, on the other hand... well, you can see how it turned out. 3 - They followed orders from above! They're victims of PR! No, they actually tried to laugh it off by introducing us "Corplet Drone", the bee character with no lines in the game, the following day of this drama. Besides, many of the team has already displayed leftist views in the past, all that F. Trump thing we all know well. It's not unthinkable to think they are the ones taking the shots in this episode. Also, they pretty much all individually accepted authorship for this "collective decision" by blocking their Twitter accounts, clearly protecting themselves from recoil. Any disagreeing member could simply speak up in a friendly way he felt sorry for the whole episode. Freedom of Speech, remember? 4 - They have to protect their beliefs! Their team of 28 consists 100% of white people: http://www.playtonicgames.com/team/ They should start hiring some blacks or muslims instead of pretending to be heroes over Twitter, if they value diversity so much. They barely have women, what kind of bigoted, Hitler-hailing racists are these guys? 5 - Associating JonTron to the product is bad publicity! They pretty much CRYSTALLIZED a connection between the two, people are never going to shut up about this now. Did I miss something? Long time fan here, I cheered for them this whole time. But I won't buy this anymore. I have already deleted a lot of fanart I did for them, as well as blog entries and whatnot. Two can play that game. Edit: Also a well-repared team like Playtonic doing something so stupid makes me wonder if this is nothing but a marketing ploy of some sort... kinda like clickbait journalists that purposefully write enraging things just to get views/publicity. But I can't see this specific episode going well. Everyone's growing tired of these attitudes. |
BarusamikosuMar 27, 2017 7:30 PM
| CAMPAIGN: If you write an anime review, please make it short. You're not a writer, Jim, I want meta-information, not a teenager's impression of a clickbait journalist.  |
Immahnoob said: thanks, we know that alreadysullynathan said: Forums are made for discussion.Is this supposed to make sense? Posting is about the same as commenting. You let your opinion be heard, you are not expected to argue. |
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Barusamikosu said: This is an extremely interesting point of view on the situation. I think it's very plausible that game companies are learning how to manipulate the internet to this extent, in order to drive up buzz for a game that previously wouldn't have had much. Edit: Also a well-repared team like Playtonic doing something so stupid makes me wonder if this is nothing but a marketing ploy of some sort... kinda like clickbait journalists that purposefully write enraging things just to get views/publicity. But I can't see this specific episode going well. Everyone's growing tired of these attitudes. However, I think that would be them being resourceful enough to capitalize on JonTron's faux pas in his video(s), rather than a massive conspiracy where they planned this all along. If we look at it this way, it's not too much of a stretch to assume they could have done it on purpose for notoriety points. |
Syrup-Mar 27, 2017 9:25 PM
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| I had planned on getting the game already, but knowing that somewhere on the internet a bunch of easily offended Nazis are fuming at the idea of me buying a video game makes me even more eager to pick up a copy. These people are the spitting image of the 'SJWs' they used to make fun of. Barusamikosu said: Oh yeah, you can totally do that for sure. But I also have the right to laugh in your face. I mean, come on dude. Even Jon's concededed that he understands the decision and he's an idiot.1 - But it's their right to do it! Yes, so is the right of the public to backlash. If you criticize people for "overreacting", you're contradicting this idea. 4 - They have to protect their beliefs! Unless you have evidence to support the claim that they're going out of their way to not hire minorities, you really shouldn't be saying that. I mean it's not like the devs are going on some guy's live stream and saying really horrible racist stuff like, just for examples sake, comparing immigration to the Tibetan genocide or saying that well off black people commit more crimes than poor white people.Their team of 28 consists 100% of white people: http://www.playtonicgames.com/team/ They should start hiring some blacks or muslims instead of pretending to be heroes over Twitter, if they value diversity so much. They barely have women, what kind of bigoted, Hitler-hailing racists are these guys? Edit: Who's everyone? Also a well-repared team like Playtonic doing something so stupid makes me wonder if this is nothing but a marketing ploy of some sort... kinda like clickbait journalists that purposefully write enraging things just to get views/publicity. But I can't see this specific episode going well. Everyone's growing tired of these attitudes. I don't think your worldview is as widespread as you think it is. You need to get out of that little bubble. Take Jon with you. |
SeibaaHomuMar 28, 2017 2:37 AM
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