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Feb 19, 2017 10:02 PM
#201
| With as much as they have posted I am concerned with the lack of vote from both Mishukax and Shinichi-kun. Not to say town has never don this but dome one guys for real? |
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Feb 19, 2017 10:10 PM
#202
Grapefruit21 said: Vote: RE1301 I trust Mishu right now. Woah woah, wtf? Mishu didn't even make a good arguement as to why to vote RE. This is some lazy, scummy sheeping going on here. I don't just wanna hop on the train but this one post just brings up all the bad vibes I have. Vote: Grapefruit21 Fret not, you still have more than a day to explain why would you do such a thing. |
Feb 19, 2017 10:15 PM
#203
Grapefruit21 said: RE1031 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Mishukax said: logic340 said: Shinichi lurks either alignment. I find him very difficult to read.. I hear he's more motivated a town but I didn't notice that in the one game he was town with me. From what I've gathered, if he gets lynched D1/2 he's either maf or town, if he lives longer than that he's maf, lol. Don't take this seriously though Still waiting for everyone to check in while I do other things in the meantime, for now biggest town candidate is Salmon and biggest scum candidate is RE1031. Lol why would you post something like that if u didnt want it to be taken to heart? <<< i actually do want an aswer to this btw Why is re1 biggest scum target? Also ur town reading salmon off of that 1 post u mentioned earlier? Well, it seems rather suspicious that Mishukax would drop a bomb and leave, but it could be purely subjective as I am the one being accused T-T This is the post that got me sheeping Mishu. I viscerally hate it. Can't explain why, just hate it with fire. As for town reading sollux, every single post they've made feels towny to me. I particularly like this one: Sollux16 said: I'm a bit curious. @logic340 if you think that the train on zymf could all be town then why are you voting on Rosie? There's a big difference between voting RE because you trust Mishu and voting RE because you didn't like something he posted. Idk man, that vote was really out of nowhere and so random and seemed so off. |
Feb 19, 2017 10:16 PM
#204
Phraze said: RE1031 said: yo. why d'ya want to vote me? any reason??Oyasumi_Rosie said: RE1031 said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: @Red_Salmon I would suggest someone you are pretty sure won't be lynched D1 if you are not sure. But like Sleip said, you can always change your vote later, so long as it isn't the day after. Should I lynch myself :3 Joking, that's counterproductive. Vote: Phraze because hasn't posted today yet, but I will most likely change later. I mean you totally could. I have seen players do it, and I tried to use it to get people to trust me, but it doesn't work too often. Yeah, it doesn't seem too wise. I guess for now, @Phraze TTwTT Like I said here, just a call out vote, since you and a couple others hadn't posted yet. Grapefruit21 said: RE1031 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Mishukax said: logic340 said: Shinichi lurks either alignment. I find him very difficult to read.. I hear he's more motivated a town but I didn't notice that in the one game he was town with me. From what I've gathered, if he gets lynched D1/2 he's either maf or town, if he lives longer than that he's maf, lol. Don't take this seriously though Still waiting for everyone to check in while I do other things in the meantime, for now biggest town candidate is Salmon and biggest scum candidate is RE1031. Lol why would you post something like that if u didnt want it to be taken to heart? <<< i actually do want an aswer to this btw Why is re1 biggest scum target? Also ur town reading salmon off of that 1 post u mentioned earlier? Well, it seems rather suspicious that Mishukax would drop a bomb and leave, but it could be purely subjective as I am the one being accused T-T This is the post that got me sheeping Mishu. I viscerally hate it. Can't explain why, just hate it with fire. Gee, thanks. |
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Feb 19, 2017 10:32 PM
#205
CorruptedPurity said: That's a hell of a contradiction you found right there.Grapefruit21 said: RE1031 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Mishukax said: logic340 said: Shinichi lurks either alignment. I find him very difficult to read.. I hear he's more motivated a town but I didn't notice that in the one game he was town with me. From what I've gathered, if he gets lynched D1/2 he's either maf or town, if he lives longer than that he's maf, lol. Don't take this seriously though Still waiting for everyone to check in while I do other things in the meantime, for now biggest town candidate is Salmon and biggest scum candidate is RE1031. Lol why would you post something like that if u didnt want it to be taken to heart? <<< i actually do want an aswer to this btw Why is re1 biggest scum target? Also ur town reading salmon off of that 1 post u mentioned earlier? Well, it seems rather suspicious that Mishukax would drop a bomb and leave, but it could be purely subjective as I am the one being accused T-T This is the post that got me sheeping Mishu. I viscerally hate it. Can't explain why, just hate it with fire. As for town reading sollux, every single post they've made feels towny to me. I particularly like this one: Sollux16 said: I'm a bit curious. @logic340 if you think that the train on zymf could all be town then why are you voting on Rosie? There's a big difference between voting RE because you trust Mishu and voting RE because you didn't like something he posted. Idk man, that vote was really out of nowhere and so random and seemed so off. So it's back to this Vote: Grapefruit21 @Grapefruit21 Mishukax hasn't even voted yet so what are you trusting? You gave me your reason when I asked you for Mishu's that you sheeped (which wasn't even a sheep since Mishu hasn't voted). |
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Feb 19, 2017 10:35 PM
#206
| Here is a little gift before I call it a night. Votes with reasons: Shinichi-kun votes TheConquerer. Reason=RVS "Come at me my friend <3" Thoughts:RVS Sleipnirr votes Red_Salmon. Reason=RVS asks questions Thoughts: Attempting to get to know a new player and possibly trying to drive things out of RVS logic340 votes Zymf. Reason=RVS Oyasumi_Rosie votes Grapefruit21. Reason=RVS said noting Thoughts: This is her habitual good luck vote on Grapefruit, null Sollux16 votes Zymf. Reason= Wants to hear Campfire Song Song Thoughts: feels like RVS Re1031 votes Phraze. Reason= Because she hadn't posted to that point Thoughts: RVS pressure for activity. She was kind of pressure by Sleip into putting a vote down _Claire_ votes Shinishi-kun. Reason= For lurking Thoughts: He hadn't posted to that point not sure that constitutes lurking Red_Salmon votes logic340. Reason=To protect town Thoughts: Doesn't understand the nature of Rosie and my banter about killing town Zymf votes Oyasumi_Rosie. Reason= Didn't like her stance on self vote. Wants to know why she shouldn't be lynched today Thoughts: Possibly misunderstood Rosie was talking about IRL mafia as opposed to Forum Mafia but it produced some nice interaction Oyasumi_Rosie votes Zymf. Reason= None given Thoughts: OMGUS vote especially with no reason given. Would scum Rosie do this? Emotional Town? Something to keep an eye on Sleipnirr votes Zymf. Reason= Doesn't like that Zymf asked me to move my vote or the town read on Salmon Thoughts:3rd on the train opportunistic move? Not sold on the reasoning behind this vote at all. Could just be aggressive early play but need to see how Sleip approaches things later Oyasumi_Rosie votes Sleipnirr. Reason= For telling her what to do Thoughts: Frustrated player null Oyasumi_Rosie votes Zymf. Reason= No reason "Not good at coming up with reasons D1" Thoughts: This vote and answer look horrible, but knowing Rosie it's probably the truth, and you gotta respect that level of honestly logic votes Oyasumi_Rosie. Reason= We needed a competing train and I felt pressure on Rosie would help me in sorting her out Grapefruit21 votes RE1031. Reason= Trust Mishu right now Thoughts: Um.....not sure what to make of this I'm feeling my mason brother vibes but I have am keeping him neutral for now due to the lurking talk but this feels a little off right now. I do like his response to my question about it in #197 Sollux16 votes Grapefruit21. Reason= Confused about Grapefruit's actions so far this game Thoughts: Mindmeld, I had the exact same reaction and placed a vote as well. Was already a top town read before this point logic340 votes Grapefruit21. Reason= For sheeping on Mishu since I don't feel Mishu's vote was all too serious logic340 unvotes. Reason= Need to sort things out too many town vibes CorruptPurity votes Grapefruit21. Reason- Doesn't like Mishu's reason's for voting RE which is what Grapefruit is sheeping Thoughts: Reactionary vote but rightfully so not knowing Grapefruit as a player or what he is up to this game logic340 votes Grapefruit21. Reason= The contradiction in his response to me picked up by CorruptPurity Sleipnirr's vote on Zymf stands out the most to me. Weird I know given what Rosie has done with hers and Grapefruit's vote on RE. The reactionary votes seem well placed but would also be good places for scum to hide a vote real quick we'll see if these new trains pick up steam. Not understanding the vote on RE I'd call that an out in nowhere land vote at this point with the reasons given. Need to see more from Corrupt before I can make a real judgement here (can see both sides of the argument). Not voting is TheConquoror (giving him a pass for now), Phraze (just entered the game not giving a pass), Mishukax, and Shinichi-Kun. Mishu and Shinichi bothers me due to the amount of posts he has and how much of the game he has been involved in to this point. Claire is still on RVS but hasn't been around, her activity is dangerously low for calling out Shinichi for lurking imo. In light of new evidence in regard to the Grapefruit's vote on RE I am back there with my vote. I was very random and his reason contradicts his original reason. Need to sort this out. It's late I'm calling it a night now, I'll be back on in a few hours. |
logic340Feb 19, 2017 10:38 PM
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Feb 19, 2017 10:38 PM
#207
| Well, whenever @Mishukax returns, I'd like to know your thoughts on why Grapefruit21 would trust you? Other than actually, genuinely being a townie. Also, @Grapefruit21, this wouldn't be the first time someone's gotten a gut feeling on me and been completely wrong, but CorruptedPurity is right, it's out of nowhere. You changed your vote/suspicion from Oyasumi_Rosie to me, claiming you trusted Mishukax, but between the time you became suspicious of Oyasumi_Rosie (here) to the voting for me (here), Mishukax did not say anything. Why the sudden change? |
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Feb 19, 2017 10:45 PM
#208
| Also going to call it a night, but gonna keep my vote on Phraze (just as pressure since two posts aren't enough). I will be active enough tomorrow if anything changes. |
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Feb 19, 2017 11:02 PM
#209
◩ Vote Count 1.3 ◩ [ 3 ] Grapefruit - Sollux16, CorruptedPurity, logic340 [ 2 ] Zymf - Sleipnirr, Oyasumi_Rosie [ 1 ] Oyasumi_Rosie - Zymf [ 1 ] TheConquerer - Shinichi-Kun [ 1 ] Phraze - RE1031 [ 1 ] Shinichi-Kun - _Claire_ [ 1 ] logic340 - Red_Salmon [ 1 ] RE1031 - Grapefruit21 Not Voting Phraze, TheConquerer, Mishukax Mod Note(s) I really did send message to the wrong person. Sorry, @TheConquerer . Hope you still get it in time and can catch up to things. Also, this will be the new vc look :> ◩ Vote Track 1.3 ◩ Shinichi-Kun: TheConquerer Zymf: Oyasumi_Rosie logic340: Zymf -> Oyasumi_Rosie -> Grapefruit21 -> Unvote -> Grapefruit21 Sleipnirr: Red_Salmon -> Zymf Red_Salmon: logic340 Grapefruit21: RE1301 Phraze: Oyasumi_Rosie: Grapefruit21 -> Zymf -> Sleipnirr -> Zymf Sollux16: Zymf -> Grapefruit21 _Claire_: Shinichi-Kun RE1031: Phraze TheConquerer: CorruptedPurity: Grapefruit21 Mishukax: |
aa-donoFeb 20, 2017 9:54 AM
Feb 19, 2017 11:12 PM
#210
RE1031 said: ok. got any questions for me?Phraze said: RE1031 said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: RE1031 said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: @Red_Salmon I would suggest someone you are pretty sure won't be lynched D1 if you are not sure. But like Sleip said, you can always change your vote later, so long as it isn't the day after. Should I lynch myself :3 Joking, that's counterproductive. Vote: Phraze because hasn't posted today yet, but I will most likely change later. I mean you totally could. I have seen players do it, and I tried to use it to get people to trust me, but it doesn't work too often. Yeah, it doesn't seem too wise. I guess for now, @Phraze TTwTT Like I said here, just a call out vote, since you and a couple others hadn't posted yet. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:19 PM
#212
| Their user name is spelled Theconquerer, and its likely that they never even received their role pm. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:37 PM
#214
Oyasumi_Rosie said: rly? lolTheir user name is spelled Theconquerer, and its likely that they never even received their role pm. Red_Salmon/Sollux16 look scummy to me. other names I'm not familiar with also got my attention |
Feb 19, 2017 11:47 PM
#215
Shinichi-Kun said: This club doesn't have hosting rules but hosting guidelines and we called it that for a reason. And this is what the hosting guidelines say about role madness:Zymf said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: This game is not role madess. You have to inform players before hand if it is. The mods do not mention it in the set up of this game Shinichi-Kun said: Only thing we do know is its not role madness so high chance they're vanilla roles in this game. It does actually lol its part of the hosting rules. You must state if its role madness or bastard setup. Guidelines said: Sure they do mention it, but they don't really elaborate what exactly role madness is, because the term itself is a bit vague. In this game we are all twins so already there we are all at least "Vanilla Twins". Also, what does power role even mean in this context? And power roles doesn't have to be "powerful" or "unique", they just need to have another ability than voting.A short description of the setup is required, which includes whether it is closed or open setup, whether it is a full reveal game, if its a role madness game and games must be stated if it contains any bastard elements in both sign up and game thread. Refer to this link to know whether or nor your game falls under bastard modding. |
Feb 19, 2017 11:53 PM
#216
Phraze said: Red_Salmon/Sollux16 look scummy to me. other names I'm not familiar with also got my attention Red_Salmon I can see. I don't think they posted anything since their Vote on Logic? Or am I missremembering again? Sollux on the other hand I read as town for now. They seem to be trying really hard, makes me read the town for now. If they turn up scum, I am still proud of them. Any other thoughts on the game so far? (Tbh, I feel weird talking to you. I don't think we every had before, not really anyways) |
Feb 20, 2017 12:00 AM
#217
Oyasumi_Rosie said: 1. Just because others haven't contributed either, doesn't make it a less valid argument. You have contributed a bit more to the discussion since I started pestering you, but back then you hadn't.@zymf Lets break down why your reasons are bad. Reason 1: Haven't contributed with anything considerably. If you want to lynch someone who hasn't contributed considerably, why not look at Sollux, or Grapefruit. Ones a total newbie and the other just said that he was going to be a lurker. Posted less than me and offered just as much. Reason 2: Keeps changing votes and act inexperienced in order to stand out as less of a town threat. Grapefurit is my good luck vote, and Sleip was trying to tell me what to do, so I placed a joke vote on him. That was actually an OMGUS vote. Hence calling him "mom" in that post. But you know sure, ask Grapefruit, Logic, Sleip, or Claire (these are the only ones I can think of that I have played with off the top of my head). I do not change my vote randomly. And if I seem inexperienced for this, well, sorry then. I thought this was a game and games where supposed be to fun. I will remember be very serious from now on. Reason 3: Suggest that self-voting is a good strategy for townies. It's only a good strategy if you are mafia and want to gain town credit. Just thinking about it is scummy and suggesting it in such a nonchalant indicates that Rosie is scum, trying to act townish by nonchalant in her posts in general and if she were to use her self-proposed strategy later in the game it wouldn't seem "out of place". (#66) Now lets look at the post that he is referring to. Oyasumi_Rosie said: @logic340 Yeah most of the time it doesn't work. I think forum mafia has way less trust than IRL mafia. Its a good play I think as a sign of faith to vote for yourself, or you can use it as leverage. "If player A flips town I will vote for myself" kind of thinking. Hmm, would you look at that. I said that most of the time it doesn't work! Shocker! Really! Almost as if it something that I wouldn't plan on doing myself. The part that he thinks I said its a good idea (see bolded) is when I am talking about IRL mafia, as in, face to face mafia. Reason 4: When I asked why we shouldn't lynch her, she didn't provide any good reasons imo. A "good reason" could have been either an explanation of her playstyle and what she could bring to the table (like I did in #76) or she could explain something about her role. I gave you a good reason boy. You said it your self that dumb players with PRs are the only one who lynched. But when I claimed you claimed back and cry "ROLE MADNESS" and wouldn't believe anyone who told you otherwise. Sorry for feeling that if I explained my role more it would make me a target. But you want another reason? Sure. You don't know me and you don't want to know me. Its pretty clear to me that that you haven't read any of my other post because if you did you would know that i have played multiple games before this, and that I don't think voting yourself is a good idea in forum mafia. And if you would have asked people I have played with before with before, you would know that I have a scummy first day and I play a mean TPR. At first, I voted for you because I didn't like the way you responded to my post. When I voted for you, I didn't even know you voted for me. Now, going through all this, I see now that you were looking for a easy lynch. I know I am not a scum pr, and now I am not sure that you aren't. My vote stays for now. Maybe it will change before EoD, maybe it won't. But we will have to wait for then. 2. If you do have a good reason every time you change your vote, you should explain it. Also, the reason why changing votes constantly is a problem is because your votes doesn't carry any weight and it's confusing for the rest of the players. 3. If you know that it's a bad strategy to self-vote and that it often doesn't work, then why do you suggest using it?? And no, you didn't say that it only applied to IRL mafia, instead you said that it was a good strategy because it is not IRL mafia and therefore contains less trust. 4. Sorry, but I'm still under the assumption that this is in some sense role madness. If you meant that you have a powerful role and not just simply power role, then I am sorry. And I have in fact read all of your posts, some more than once. Also, did you just claim Third Party Role??? Still catching up from page 4~ |
Feb 20, 2017 12:07 AM
#218
Zymf said: Shinichi-Kun said: This club doesn't have hosting rules but hosting guidelines and we called it that for a reason. And this is what the hosting guidelines say about role madness:Zymf said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: This game is not role madess. You have to inform players before hand if it is. The mods do not mention it in the set up of this game Shinichi-Kun said: The setup doesn't have to state that it's role madness to be role madness? We are all twins with someone and I still believe that everyone have a power role although maybe only a weak one.Only thing we do know is its not role madness so high chance they're vanilla roles in this game. It does actually lol its part of the hosting rules. You must state if its role madness or bastard setup. Guidelines said: Sure they do mention it, but they don't really elaborate what exactly role madness is, because the term itself is a bit vague. In this game we are all twins so already there we are all at least "Vanilla Twins". Also, what does power role even mean in this context? And power roles doesn't have to be "powerful" or "unique", they just need to have another ability than voting.A short description of the setup is required, which includes whether it is closed or open setup, whether it is a full reveal game, if its a role madness game and games must be stated if it contains any bastard elements in both sign up and game thread. Refer to this link to know whether or nor your game falls under bastard modding. What, so you argument is that because everyone as a passive ability unrelated to their role, that some how makes them all roles? Dude, come on. You got a twin flavored town PM. If you are talking about what I think you are, I am pretty sure that everyone has that ability regardless of town At least we know Zymf is town. One crossed off the list. Unvote If you have a problem with the Guidelines, take it up with the people who created them. For now deal with the fact that this isn't role madness and the mods aren't lying to you. |
Feb 20, 2017 12:19 AM
#219
Zymf said: 1. Just because others haven't contributed either, doesn't make it a less valid argument. You have contributed a bit more to the discussion since I started pestering you, but back then you hadn't. Fine whatever. I can't say anything to this. Zymf said: 2. If you do have a good reason every time you change your vote, you should explain it. Also, the reason why changing votes constantly is a problem is because your votes doesn't carry any weight and it's confusing for the rest of the players. But I did explain both my votes on Sliep and Grapefruit. I also haven't changed it constantly. I simply changed it once for a joke. Zymf said: 3. If you know that it's a bad strategy to self-vote and that it often doesn't work, then why do you suggest using it?? And no, you didn't say that it only applied to IRL mafia, instead you said that it was a good strategy because it is not IRL mafia and therefore contains less trust. What??? Where did I ever suggest using it? I said at least three times in three different post that it was a bad idea . I was talking about IRL mafia and how it works. You want to scum read me so bad you twist my words anyways you want. Zymf said: 4. Sorry, but I'm still under the assumption that this is in some sense role madness. If you meant that you have a powerful role and not just simply power role, then I am sorry. And I have in fact read all of your posts, some more than once. Also, did you just claim Third Party Role??? Still catching up from page 4~ Well, you are wrong. You are just a town looking in the wrong place. I hope you hook on some real scum soon. Or maybe I will die and then you will learn that you were all wrong about me. Lol time will tell for sure. And no, I didn't. I claimed not scum. /edits: forgot a period =w= |
Oyasumi_RosieFeb 20, 2017 12:22 AM
Feb 20, 2017 12:29 AM
#220
logic340 said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: you made Edgar offer aa TPR though? Buraama and I actually placed votes on ourselves.I thought of doing it in RVS as a reaction test but never went through with it.@logic340 Yeah most of the time it doesn't work. I think forum mafia has way less trust than IRL mafia. Its a good play I think as a sign of faith to vote for yourself, or you can use it as leverage. "If player A flips town I will vote for myself" kind of thinking. RE1031 said: good to know you have previous experiencein this is my tenth game since Halloween. I've played non stop since then learning little by little as I go.logic340 said: RE1031 said: what is you experience in Forum Mafia? I've thought of voting myself ibn RVS before but never did it. I did vote myself once as a call to other townie who had seen it in a previous game but I don't think it worked in my favor.Oyasumi_Rosie said: RE1031 said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: @Red_Salmon I would suggest someone you are pretty sure won't be lynched D1 if you are not sure. But like Sleip said, you can always change your vote later, so long as it isn't the day after. Should I lynch myself :3 Joking, that's counterproductive. Vote: Phraze because hasn't posted today yet, but I will most likely change later. I mean you totally could. I have seen players do it, and I tried to use it to get people to trust me, but it doesn't work too often. Yeah, it doesn't seem too wise. I guess for now, @Phraze TTwTT I've played a variety of games, but except for the one I played a couple months ago here on MAL, I haven't played for years. I've never voted for myself, and I feel like the only time it'd be worth it is you were third-party and your goal was to get lynched. But that shouldn't matter here (unless it would trigger one of the passive talents). Lol you are doing really good tbh. |
Feb 20, 2017 12:30 AM
#221
Red_Salmon said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: Be careful with logic, he is a better town killer as town than he is as mafia Hahaha! XD guess I know the best way to protect town now Vote: logic340 ;) Both of these persons interaction interests me here~ |
Feb 20, 2017 12:31 AM
#222
Mishukax said: logic340 said: Shinichi lurks either alignment. I find him very difficult to read.. I hear he's more motivated a town but I didn't notice that in the one game he was town with me. From what I've gathered, if he gets lynched D1/2 he's either maf or town, if he lives longer than that he's maf, lol. Don't take this seriously though Still waiting for everyone to check in while I do other things in the meantime, for now biggest town candidate is Salmon and biggest scum candidate is RE1031. Sounds like Sleipnirr too lol |
Feb 20, 2017 12:32 AM
#223
Oyasumi_Rosie said: vote: Zymf Hmmm.... I am seeing a totally different Rosie here... |
Feb 20, 2017 12:33 AM
#224
Again? Vote: Rosie |
Feb 20, 2017 12:35 AM
#225
Shinichi-Kun said: claire im lurking? People who havent even posted once yet you choose me out of them lol. Really really weird choice thats for sure. Hey cmon we have some sort of friendship thats why I notice you first :/ Also knowing you will spend 99% of your life playing WoW and rest 1% with *cough* I want to bring you to this game youre signing up. |
Feb 20, 2017 12:43 AM
#226
| @Sleipnirr Kaito's metaplay at the moment, I would say its his usual (scum) attitude by just replying to posts and such. Usually as day 2/3 go, he will post even more ridiculously empty posts, so I am expecting to get a clearer read on him. I dont like Zymf's train at the moment, I know its still early in the game but it seems oddly suspicious. I don't like Rosie attitude but it is COMPLETELY different than her 3rd party meta-play I am sure he is not a 3rd party. I dont particularly like it but her 3rd party (i think equal to scum, as he was SK but problem is as SK you could just do whatever heck you want..) is more reserved and hiding behind everyone's read, trying to stay neutral. |
Feb 20, 2017 12:53 AM
#227
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Also @logic340, do my town killer jokes bother you? I really do mean it in good fun, but if they really bother you, I will stop. Why do you do this kind of jokes anyway, this is 3rd game I am playing with you and so far this is your craziest stun. Is this alignment-indicative? I believe so. |
Feb 20, 2017 1:09 AM
#228
_Claire_ said: Because they are fun? You have something again fun then? I only joke because I know people now. Oyasumi_Rosie said: Also @logic340, do my town killer jokes bother you? I really do mean it in good fun, but if they really bother you, I will stop. Why do you do this kind of jokes anyway, this is 3rd game I am playing with you and so far this is your craziest stun. Is this alignment-indicative? I believe so. If this is my craziest stunt yet, lynch me for being boring. |
Feb 20, 2017 1:11 AM
#229
| You voted me because of a joke vote? You are so cruel Claire, at least come up with a good reason. |
Feb 20, 2017 1:28 AM
#230
_Claire_ said: I dont like Zymf's train at the moment, I know its still early in the game but it seems oddly suspicious. I don't like Rosie attitude but it is COMPLETELY different than her 3rd party meta-play I am sure he is not a 3rd party. I dont particularly like it but her 3rd party (i think equal to scum, as he was SK but problem is as SK you could just do whatever heck you want..) is more reserved and hiding behind everyone's read, trying to stay neutral. Honestly Claire, this post shows that you really don't know much about me or how I play.. There was so much going on during those games that most of my lurking was simply because I had no way of checking the forum. I am talking more now simply because I am at home with a computer and I am comfortable around you guys. If you seriously think that is a problem then you need to be straight up with me. Also I really felt like I had to fluffy it up in the game. I was so worried about not meeting the 10 post per day. I just don't want to kick out due to the fact that I don't have much info to share day 1!!! At the very least, you know I am not 3rd I guess. /edit: I wrote thing instead of think... I should have slept.... |
Oyasumi_RosieFeb 20, 2017 1:31 AM
Feb 20, 2017 2:14 AM
#231
| Morning guys! (well at least its morning here) Just re-read all the pages. Wew! :p @logic340 I'm gonna keep my vote on you. Mainly cuz I feel your townie streak is over :p Been too long. Also, you've been town for so many games that it will probably be easy for you to imitate normie townie behavior. Also it kinda annoys me how everyone just assumes you're town ;p I was suspecting you, Rosie and grape to be scum because rosie was acting erratically but you tried to help her (sorta)(albeit after a vote on her which probably could be a bluff) But rosie's latest posts are making me think against this line of reasoning. |
Feb 20, 2017 2:33 AM
#232
| Well only received my pm last night... But i gotta admit My twin is the only sibling I need. |
| I've been here way too long... |
Feb 20, 2017 2:35 AM
#233
Red_Salmon said: Morning guys! (well at least its morning here) Just re-read all the pages. Wew! :p @logic340 I'm gonna keep my vote on you. Mainly cuz I feel your townie streak is over :p Been too long. Also, you've been town for so many games that it will probably be easy for you to imitate normie townie behavior. Also it kinda annoys me how everyone just assumes you're town ;p I was suspecting you, Rosie and grape to be scum because rosie was acting erratically but you tried to help her (sorta)(albeit after a vote on her which probably could be a bluff) But rosie's latest posts are making me think against this line of reasoning. Everything about this post rubs me the wrong way. Sticking with the logic vote because there is a change that he just might have rolled a scum role finally feels bad. Though I understand feeling annoyed with everyone town reading one person for seemingly no reason. I am totally surprised see my behavior as erratic but I guess that is what I get for being trapped in my own brain. I am for sure town though. What about my post is making you think again a me/logic/grape scum team? |
Feb 20, 2017 2:35 AM
#234
TheConquerer said: Welcome to the game bro! That is truly terrible though, can't help but laugh.Well only received my pm last night... But i gotta admit My twin is the only sibling I need. |
Feb 20, 2017 2:41 AM
#235
TheConquerer said: Well only received my pm last night... But i gotta admit My twin is the only sibling I need. Indeed indeed! The only sibling we all need :p Welcome aboard man :) Oyasumi_Rosie said: Everything about this post rubs me the wrong way. Sticking with the logic vote because there is a change that he just might have rolled a scum role finally feels bad. Though I understand feeling annoyed with everyone town reading one person for seemingly no reason. I am totally surprised see my behavior as erratic but I guess that is what I get for being trapped in my own brain. I am for sure town though. What about my post is making you think again a me/logic/grape scum team? Well I don't suspect you anymore. I was basing my theory on you changing votes so often but decided to rethink when Grape and Claire both said that that's how you play mostly. |
Feb 20, 2017 3:19 AM
#236
| Okay @Oyasumi_Rosie, lets do a quick rundown of all your posts until my vote on you in #77 - That should explain why you were my initial lynch target. Oyasumi_Rosie said: Random vote. That's fine since it's in RVS, but it would have been nice with just a little reasoning or questioning.Vote: Grapefruit Oyasumi_Rosie said: @logic340 Lover quarrel was my first game with out you and I already miss you man. ;w; Oyasumi_Rosie said: It could just be your personality. But your overly-friendliness and looseness gives me small scum-trying-to-act-town vibes. Maybe you are just trying to get on the towns good side early on.Red_Salmon said: Sleipnirr said: It would funny to see OMGUS afterall this time why are you playing with my feelings :'( Anyway would you consider yourself an experienced player or a total newbie. Also how much do you know about the forum mafia cuz its pretty different from IRL kind. Still a newb :p And yea! I realized how different this was gonna be from the message I got today. Seems like its gonna be pretty fun :D I mean... I got killed N1 for a play that would have been a life saver in IRL mafia so yeah. I do hope you have fun though! Oyasumi_Rosie said: Also, the bolded part I feel is a roundabout way of saying "I'm not a threat since I've lost 4 times and I don't know of any scum-information, so you don't have to fear me being scum!"logic340 said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: @logic340 Lover quarrel was my first game with out you and I already miss you man. ;w; Aw if you were there, I bet people would be posting a lot more! But we shouldn't be talking about another game here:p I have to stick with my good luck charm though! I only been killed once while voting for him! Maybe I will actually win this time. 5th time is the charm Oyasumi_Rosie said: Red_Salmon said: Read it when I joined the club. Will re-read. Is voting a must at this phase? Cuz I feel like abstaining (no reason tho) You don't have to vote, but its better if you do I think. Oyasumi_Rosie said: These two are actually some decent town posts, but it could also just be an attempt to earn easy town credit by being slightly helpful.@Red_Salmon I would suggest someone you are pretty sure won't be lynched D1 if you are not sure. But like Sleip said, you can always change your vote later, so long as it isn't the day after. Oyasumi_Rosie said: THIS is when you begin suggesting self-voting as a valid strategy. Of course you are not saying it's an effective one, but neither are you saying that it's a bad one or that you shouldn't use it.Red_Salmon said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: @Red_Salmon I would suggest someone you are pretty sure won't be lynched D1 if you are not sure. But like Sleip said, you can always change your vote later, so long as it isn't the day after. Should I lynch myself :3 Joking, that's counterproductive. Vote: Phraze because hasn't posted today yet, but I will most likely change later. I mean you totally could. I have seen players do it, and I tried to use it to get people to trust me, but it doesn't work too often. Oyasumi_Rosie said: Are you preparing an excuse for later in the game when you can't keep up with potential accusations due to time limit restrains and that people should remember to go easy on you too?lol XD I am actually surprised how many people are playing two games at once... I thought for sure I would be the only one. Oyasumi_Rosie said: And here you are explaining why it's a valid strategy. You say that forum mafia has less trust than IRL mafia, and that self-voting is a good idea for that reason, not the other way around. At least the way I see it.@logic340 Yeah most of the time it doesn't work. I think forum mafia has way less trust than IRL mafia. Its a good play I think as a sign of faith to vote for yourself, or you can use it as leverage. "If player A flips town I will vote for myself" kind of thinking. Oyasumi_Rosie said: Baseless statement in order to get other players to look bad.Red_Salmon said: Listening to you guys amazes me *~* Be careful with logic, he is a better town killer as town than he is as mafia I know that I am tunneling you very badly, but you asked for it yourself when you claimed I hadn't even read into your other posts at all! Because I have. I might however change my vote to Grapefruit, since he has also become more suspicious. But I haven't organised my thoughts on him yet... |
Feb 20, 2017 3:31 AM
#237
| are you still not reading the thread? Why do you call TheConquerer a lurker? Has he actually been lurking? Phraze said: I have felt town vibes from both spots (sollux more than Salmon) so why do you find them both scummy?Oyasumi_Rosie said: rly? lolTheir user name is spelled Theconquerer, and its likely that they never even received their role pm. Red_Salmon/Sollux16 look scummy to me. other names I'm not familiar with also got my attention Edit: Corrected Spelling |
logic340Feb 20, 2017 3:47 AM
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Feb 20, 2017 3:46 AM
#238
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Can you walk me through how you realized Zymf was town from that post? I'm not understanding your reasoning or though process on this one.Zymf said: Shinichi-Kun said: Zymf said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: This game is not role madess. You have to inform players before hand if it is. The mods do not mention it in the set up of this game Shinichi-Kun said: The setup doesn't have to state that it's role madness to be role madness? We are all twins with someone and I still believe that everyone have a power role although maybe only a weak one.Only thing we do know is its not role madness so high chance they're vanilla roles in this game. It does actually lol its part of the hosting rules. You must state if its role madness or bastard setup. Guidelines said: A short description of the setup is required, which includes whether it is closed or open setup, whether it is a full reveal game, if its a role madness game and games must be stated if it contains any bastard elements in both sign up and game thread. Refer to this link to know whether or nor your game falls under bastard modding. What, so you argument is that because everyone as a passive ability unrelated to their role, that some how makes them all roles? Dude, come on. You got a twin flavored town PM. If you are talking about what I think you are, I am pretty sure that everyone has that ability regardless of town At least we know Zymf is town. One crossed off the list. Unvote If you have a problem with the Guidelines, take it up with the people who created them. For now deal with the fact that this isn't role madness and the mods aren't lying to you. A much more emotional Rosie. Not sure if this is frustrated town or scum though. Will need time t consider this slot. _Claire_ said: I see where you are coming from SK does feel like a scum role since they are tasked with killing off town. The difference I find is they are just as in the dark as to who is who based on nature of TPR. My thing with Rosie is being that her first two games were TPR she is having to learn how to be Town now.@Sleipnirr Kaito's metaplay at the moment, I would say its his usual (scum) attitude by just replying to posts and such. Usually as day 2/3 go, he will post even more ridiculously empty posts, so I am expecting to get a clearer read on him. I dont like Zymf's train at the moment, I know its still early in the game but it seems oddly suspicious. I don't like Rosie attitude but it is COMPLETELY different than her 3rd party meta-play I am sure he is not a 3rd party. I dont particularly like it but her 3rd party (i think equal to scum, as he was SK but problem is as SK you could just do whatever heck you want..) is more reserved and hiding behind everyone's read, trying to stay neutral. |
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Feb 20, 2017 3:57 AM
#239
Red_Salmon said: It also annoys me that I am assumed town. I do wish that I would get reasons to go along with them but such is the curse of rolling town all the time. You are one of the first who seem to think I can use my streak to my advantage as scum. Many seem to expect me to flail and falter in my first game though this isn't it. Morning guys! (well at least its morning here) Just re-read all the pages. Wew! :p @logic340 I'm gonna keep my vote on you. Mainly cuz I feel your townie streak is over :p Been too long. Also, you've been town for so many games that it will probably be easy for you to imitate normie townie behavior. Also it kinda annoys me how everyone just assumes you're town ;p I was suspecting you, Rosie and grape to be scum because rosie was acting erratically but you tried to help her (sorta)(albeit after a vote on her which probably could be a bluff) But rosie's latest posts are making me think against this line of reasoning. If you think I am pocketing people then so be it but if you reason is really that my time as town has run out then I would ask you to go to my posts and see if you can come with something better. I'm just as shocked about my streak as you are. Some players I have played with have had multiple scum games while I still await my first. I guess some people are cursed by the RNG Gods. Is there a part of you that thinks Rosie and I could be a team or is there something else you're getting at with saying I tried to help her? |
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Feb 20, 2017 4:03 AM
#240
RE1031 said: Grapefruit21 said: RE1031 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Mishukax said: logic340 said: Shinichi lurks either alignment. I find him very difficult to read.. I hear he's more motivated a town but I didn't notice that in the one game he was town with me. From what I've gathered, if he gets lynched D1/2 he's either maf or town, if he lives longer than that he's maf, lol. Don't take this seriously though Still waiting for everyone to check in while I do other things in the meantime, for now biggest town candidate is Salmon and biggest scum candidate is RE1031. Lol why would you post something like that if u didnt want it to be taken to heart? <<< i actually do want an aswer to this btw Why is re1 biggest scum target? Also ur town reading salmon off of that 1 post u mentioned earlier? Well, it seems rather suspicious that Mishukax would drop a bomb and leave, but it could be purely subjective as I am the one being accused T-T This is the post that got me sheeping Mishu. I viscerally hate it. Can't explain why, just hate it with fire. Gee, thanks. No worries! Happy to scum read people all day! @CorruptedPurity I was sheeping Mishu because they're the one who made me notice it. Plus I don't have a good feel for this game and with me town reading Mishu I trust their reads as a player. |
Feb 20, 2017 4:21 AM
#241
| @Zymf That is kind of just rosie. I scum read her for it in every game and I haven't been right so far. I think this is town rosie but I am not sure of that read at all. At everyone scum reading me I don't see the contradiction between me saying I'm sheeping mishu who said this Mishu said: Still waiting for everyone to check in while I do other things in the meantime, for now biggest town candidate is Salmon and biggest scum candidate is RE1031. and pointing to a quote that jumped out at me and made me think ohh yeah Mishu might be onto something. Is it sheeping when Mishu hasn't posted reasoning, maybe not. But I was following their opinion because I didn't have a strong one of my own. Also I think most of my wagon is acting towny. I will try to give reasons for that later, but no promises. |
Feb 20, 2017 4:53 AM
#242
Red_Salmon said: Morning guys! (well at least its morning here) Just re-read all the pages. Wew! :p @logic340 I'm gonna keep my vote on you. Mainly cuz I feel your townie streak is over :p Been too long. Also, you've been town for so many games that it will probably be easy for you to imitate normie townie behavior. Also it kinda annoys me how everyone just assumes you're town ;p I was suspecting you, Rosie and grape to be scum because rosie was acting erratically but you tried to help her (sorta)(albeit after a vote on her which probably could be a bluff) But rosie's latest posts are making me think against this line of reasoning. You guys are really making scum-reading easy... You're voting someone "Mainly cuz I feel your townie streak is over ". You are aware that no RNG is involved here right? It isn't some mafia gaming site where there is an algorithm to determine your chances of being maf. aa-dono and Denjax chose who to become maf. Whether it is purely up to a program or whoever they fancy to become maf is in their hand. You've been moderately quiet so far (ya, ik we all need sleep so its kinda excusable), but when you do post your suspicion, you dont have any evidence whatsoever to support it besides "he's been on a town streak for too long". Rosie is honestly a wild card to me. She's useful sometimes but make just weird accusations/discussions. She's fine to have for now as even though she has this flair telling me to scum-read her, I can't see a threat from her. Grapefruit21 said: RE1031 said: Grapefruit21 said: RE1031 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Mishukax said: logic340 said: Shinichi lurks either alignment. I find him very difficult to read.. I hear he's more motivated a town but I didn't notice that in the one game he was town with me. From what I've gathered, if he gets lynched D1/2 he's either maf or town, if he lives longer than that he's maf, lol. Don't take this seriously though Still waiting for everyone to check in while I do other things in the meantime, for now biggest town candidate is Salmon and biggest scum candidate is RE1031. Lol why would you post something like that if u didnt want it to be taken to heart? <<< i actually do want an aswer to this btw Why is re1 biggest scum target? Also ur town reading salmon off of that 1 post u mentioned earlier? Well, it seems rather suspicious that Mishukax would drop a bomb and leave, but it could be purely subjective as I am the one being accused T-T This is the post that got me sheeping Mishu. I viscerally hate it. Can't explain why, just hate it with fire. Gee, thanks. No worries! Happy to scum read people all day! @CorruptedPurity I was sheeping Mishu because they're the one who made me notice it. Plus I don't have a good feel for this game and with me town reading Mishu I trust their reads as a player. 1) What makes you town-read Mishu? 2) Why the sudden change to trusting mishu literally out of nowhere? She did not post anything new. 3) You claim you trust mishu, then you gave the reasoning that you don't like RE is because of something she posted. You are contradicting yourself. I would usually quote your posts but I have an exam to study for and have to make this quick. How do you justify this? Grapefruit21 said: @Zymf That is kind of just rosie. I scum read her for it in every game and I haven't been right so far. I think this is town rosie but I am not sure of that read at all. At everyone scum reading me I don't see the contradiction between me saying I'm sheeping mishu who said this Mishu said: Still waiting for everyone to check in while I do other things in the meantime, for now biggest town candidate is Salmon and biggest scum candidate is RE1031. and pointing to a quote that jumped out at me and made me think ohh yeah Mishu might be onto something. Is it sheeping when Mishu hasn't posted reasoning, maybe not. But I was following their opinion because I didn't have a strong one of my own. Also I think most of my wagon is acting towny. I will try to give reasons for that later, but no promises. You claimed that you trusted Mishu before you quoted something that RE said that you didnt like. Mishu scum-read RE for other reasons, God knows what they are. You are scum-reading RE for something she said long after Mishu stopped being active. The ordering is always important. I hope you understand what I'm getting at as I really don't have much time to explain further. If not, someone please help me finish this. If you can justify all your actions, I'll change my vote. I have multiple scum reads now and want to try them all. Please don't give me a sloppy answer or my vote will stay. My exams finish tmr at 12pm, which is 12 hrs before the day ends and I'll give less choppy arguments then. I wanna see Grape's and Salmon's response in the meantime. |
Feb 20, 2017 4:58 AM
#243
| Also, damn it feels good to be back. My 2 years hiatus is finally over. I'll actually be an active player again |
Feb 20, 2017 5:17 AM
#244
| I trusted Mishu's read. I saw something that supported it when I went back after being asked about my read and mentioned it. I don't know what else to say. Yes mishu's post happened after my intial Rosie vote. I reread the thread and drew new conclusions based off of seeing Mishu's post. I town read Mishu because of 52 |
Feb 20, 2017 5:30 AM
#245
| okay I caught up with the game for now unvote From my perspective both zymf and rosie are town. The only reason I changed my vote to him was to put pressure on him and maybe make him slip. Honestly I thought that he asked for logic to change his vote was a might be a scum tell as scums are generally afraid of that and thats why I built a train on him and waited for his reactions. (Also zymf this little things I write inside the brackets are off game fluff stuff pls dont take my brother comments seriously they are just there for me to have fun xD) Anyway returning back to the topic I believe both of them are town so we should look for another lynch target. So I will put my vote on one who might be scum vote Sollux16 I think more attention should be put on you. There is also the fact that I have never played with you before. Tell me why you shouldnt be lynched and who are in your scummy list? I asked about impressions yesterday to you (not a read list) still you did not write anything? Is there specific reason for that? Like maybe you rolling scum for the first time and not knowing what to write about your scum buddies? @sollux16 if you want me to unvote answer all the questions above. |
Feb 20, 2017 5:51 AM
#246
| @CorruptedPurity You're overthinking it. Yes! I don't have much reason here. Call it a hunch if you may :p Logic seems fishy because he isn't fishy xD its not like my vote is gonna kill him. Just keeping my eyes on him >.> @logic340 Tough luck bro. Tough luck :p your time will come. Or maybe it already has When I was reading the old posts I saw that you voted for rosie and then after her brief explanation shifted. I would've done that if I were scum and rosie was my partner... but the whole thing falls apart now that I think Rosie-san isn't scum. @Sleipnirr Reply to your question in #119 Nah man! Nothing seems off. Everyone here seems okay-ish. Maybe we should lynch the inactive guys. idk. |
Feb 20, 2017 5:53 AM
#247
Sleipnirr said: Will you change your vote just because he answers your line of questioning or is there something specific you are looking for in his answer? It seems like you want him to appease you which is why I ask rather than here what he actually thinks. He has been sharing his thoughts on the game like post #176 for example. Matter of fact this is pretty much an answer to your question though it wasn't specifically directed at you. So are you voting him for not answering the way you would like or because you missed the fact that what you asked has been answered?okay I caught up with the game for now unvote From my perspective both zymf and rosie are town. The only reason I changed my vote to him was to put pressure on him and maybe make him slip. Honestly I thought that he asked for logic to change his vote was a might be a scum tell as scums are generally afraid of that and thats why I built a train on him and waited for his reactions. (Also zymf this little things I write inside the brackets are off game fluff stuff pls dont take my brother comments seriously they are just there for me to have fun xD) Anyway returning back to the topic I believe both of them are town so we should look for another lynch target. So I will put my vote on one who might be scum vote Sollux16 I think more attention should be put on you. There is also the fact that I have never played with you before. Tell me why you shouldnt be lynched and who are in your scummy list? I asked about impressions yesterday to you (not a read list) still you did not write anything? Is there specific reason for that? Like maybe you rolling scum for the first time and not knowing what to write about your scum buddies? @sollux16 if you want me to unvote answer all the questions above. Sleip I am going to be honest not really liking your new playstyle. I am going to ask you to think about how other perceive you with it like you did with Crossbell. I see it got you voted out in another game and I would have voted the same way had I been in the game. Knowing this is your new style makes me want to leave you but posts like this make me question if you are trying to pocket rather than actually working the game out. |
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Feb 20, 2017 6:02 AM
#248
Grapefruit21 said: I trust Mishu is town but that doesn't mean I trust his reads. Honestly the one on RE is kind of weak imo. Your reason is also very weak imo which is why my vote went back to you right after I moved it off. I trusted Mishu's read. I saw something that supported it when I went back after being asked about my read and mentioned it. I don't know what else to say. Yes mishu's post happened after my intial Rosie vote. I reread the thread and drew new conclusions based off of seeing Mishu's post. I town read Mishu because of 52 #137 I have read this post multiple times and it doesn't really feel like a scum read to me. The last part even says that Mishu feels better about RE now that he has a better grasp of where they were coming from. So to say you trust Mishu doesn't really make sense because Mishu didn't vote there and I would be surprised if he did at this point given where he stands. So you vote RE because you trust Mishu who isn't scum reading or voting RE. When asked about it you say it's because RE says "Well, it seems rather suspicious that Mishukax would drop a bomb and leave, but it could be purely subjective as I am the one being accused T-T" IDK how this says town or scum to you. In my second game I scum read Crossbell for basically the same thing. Not sure it was alignment indicative but it was the first piece of information I had in regards to scum reading actual scum. Not saying that RE is reading Mishu properly but I don't see this coming from a scummy place considering I have done it myself. I though Cross was showing a lack of interest in the game by asking a question and not wafting for a response or engaging with those who did respond to it in real time. |
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Feb 20, 2017 6:08 AM
#249
| So whens phase change? And has anyone posted any summaries or do I have to read back everything. Hmm Day 1 is always the source of so much info. But also so much misinformation... Well I'll throw my vote in in a bit anyway |
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Feb 20, 2017 6:09 AM
#250
Red_Salmon said: Stay vigilant it's what we need. I just don't know if your paranoia towards me is real or manufactured at this point?@CorruptedPurity You're overthinking it. Yes! I don't have much reason here. Call it a hunch if you may :p Logic seems fishy because he isn't fishy xD its not like my vote is gonna kill him. Just keeping my eyes on him >.> @logic340 Tough luck bro. Tough luck :p your time will come. Or maybe it already has When I was reading the old posts I saw that you voted for rosie and then after her brief explanation shifted. I would've done that if I were scum and rosie was my partner... but the whole thing falls apart now that I think Rosie-san isn't scum. @Sleipnirr Reply to your question in #119 Nah man! Nothing seems off. Everyone here seems okay-ish. Maybe we should lynch the inactive guys. idk. My time will eventually come. I can be quite liberal with my vote at times. Especially when I am lost. I have never been able to put a scum team together by looking at interactions before a flip. If you're able to do it more power to you. After Disgaea I felt that way because scum had an inactive spot that replaced out twice, after lynching the Cop D1 in Final Fantasy I think I am going to revisit how I treat inactive and new players D1. It's a slippery slope when it comes to inactives. |
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