Kimi no Na wa. Episode 1 Discussion

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umashikaneko said:

moviegeek1111 said:

I absolutely loved the movie, but can someone explain to me the mountain scene? From what I understand, that "twilight" moment is when the body switch occurs. But Taki's 2016 body with Mitsuha's consciousness is somehow transported to 2013 physically in that brief moment. I thought it was only their consciousness that could travel through time, so how did this happen?

I think it was supposed to be neither 2016 nor 2013 when they met.

I think they hided lake to avoid being judged by number of lake (1 lake =2013 ,2lake =2016) the scene they met.I didnt check now but last time I watched I couldn't tell number of lake while twilight scene

Here are 3 words that means twilight are introduced in the movie.
Tasogare doki =time of "who are you""who is he"
Oumaga toki =time of "you meet something not from this world" based on mythology that twilight is the time when boundary of this world and that world(the world god or dead live) become vague
Kataware doki= time of part of it/half of it

Judging from these words above and "Musubi" explained by grandmother,I think they met some vague world neither 2016 nor 2013 rather physically transported.

That's a really nice explanation thank you! And looking back on it, the lake did seem to be covered in clouds when Taki and Mitsuha physically met. Also can you tell me how each of those three words are relevant to the movie. I get how "Oumaga toki" is relevant because that explains what happens at the mountain, but what about the other two?

But the biggest question (or problem) I had was how Taki and Mitsuha forgot each other's name after the "twilight" scene... how is this possible? The grandmother kinda explains that people often forget their dreams (in this case, body-swapping) after they wake up, but neither Taki nor Mitsuha lost their memories before the mountain scene...

Sep 28, 2016 6:20 PM

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I agree that the animation is really great but the story is not that good. 8/10 for me.

Sep 28, 2016 6:30 PM

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It sounds reasonable enough, but I'll have to rewatch it (the blu-ray version) and pay more attention to what went on. I was probably too fixated on the visuals and missed some stuff on my first viewing.

Even so, from what you said about the second run of October 2013 there shouldn't have been any reason for them to forget each other given how close they were.

These are just my 2 cents.

When Taki return braid to mitsuha,it obviously depicting paladox.
Pre-2nd run world,Taki kept the red braid from October 3 2013 to 2016 Octover
On the other hand,in the world where mitsuha saved,mitusha kept the braid from October 4 2013 to the last scene when they meet as adult

So I think when he return braid and twilight ending was when world was being reshaped or world line was transfered if you say steins gate-ish word.

From the ending part(adult taki/mitsuha) point of view,"pre-2nd run world" was not actual history,and Taki did not kept the braid,so the scene they met on train 2013 October 3 did not actually happen as well as body swapping,maybe they just remember very vaguely about the lost world and body swapping thing,like when you know you had some kind of weird dream,but cannot remember anything about it.

Sep 28, 2016 6:59 PM

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moviegeek1111 said:

That's a really nice explanation thank you! And looking back on it, the lake did seem to be covered in clouds when Taki and Mitsuha physically met. Also can you tell me how each of those three words are relevant to the movie. I get how "Oumaga toki" is relevant because that explains what happens at the mountain, but what about the other two?

But the biggest question (or problem) I had was how Taki and Mitsuha forgot each other's name after the "twilight" scene... how is this possible? The grandmother kinda explains that people often forget their dreams (in this case, body-swapping) after they wake up, but neither Taki nor Mitsuha lost their memories before the mountain scene...

Ok thanks.I appreciate you agree with me.Tasogare doki and Oumaga toki are actual classical Japanese.Kataware doki is fictional word original in the movie by the way.

1Tasogare doki
=Origin of this word is twilight is when shape of people become vague/hard to tell and asking ''who is that''''who are you''''who is there''
Maybe shinkai implicit they are forgetting each other as well as title"your name" or introduced it just because it is cool traditional word for Japanese.

3Kata ware Doki(Original word in Movie)
=I think this has two meaning.Half of it means Kuchi Kamizake as Grandma call kuchikamizake half of mitsuha,and consuming "rice"/water/"sake" is musubi.
The second meaning maybe Taki and Mitsuha being pair of fate.Shinkai said in interview what he wanted to depict in the movie was you have partner that connected through fate.

moviegeek1111 said:

But the biggest question (or problem) I had was how Taki and Mitsuha forgot each other's name after the "twilight" scene... how is this possible? The grandmother kinda explains that people often forget their dreams (in this case, body-swapping) after they wake up, but neither Taki nor Mitsuha lost their memories before the mountain scene...

May I copy and paste what I wrote in the last reply?

"When Taki return braid to mitsuha,it obviously depicting paladox.
Pre-2nd run world,Taki kept the red braid from October 3 2013 to 2016 Octover
On the other hand,in the world where mitsuha saved,mitusha kept the braid from October 4 2013 to the last scene when they meet as adult

So I think when he return braid and twilight ending was when world was being reshaped or world line was transfered if you say steins gate-ish word.

From the ending part(adult taki/mitsuha) point of view,"pre-2nd run world" was not actual history,and Taki did not kept the braid,so the scene they met on train 2013 October 3 did not actually happen as well as body swapping,maybe they just remember very vaguely about the lost world and body swapping thing,like when you know you had some kind of weird dream,but cannot remember anything about it."

umashikanekoSep 28, 2016 7:21 PM

Sep 28, 2016 9:31 PM

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umashikaneko said:

moviegeek1111 said:

That's a really nice explanation thank you! And looking back on it, the lake did seem to be covered in clouds when Taki and Mitsuha physically met. Also can you tell me how each of those three words are relevant to the movie. I get how "Oumaga toki" is relevant because that explains what happens at the mountain, but what about the other two?

But the biggest question (or problem) I had was how Taki and Mitsuha forgot each other's name after the "twilight" scene... how is this possible? The grandmother kinda explains that people often forget their dreams (in this case, body-swapping) after they wake up, but neither Taki nor Mitsuha lost their memories before the mountain scene...

Ok thanks.I appreciate you agree with me.Tasogare doki and Oumaga toki are actual classical Japanese.Kataware doki is fictional word original in the movie by the way.

1Tasogare doki
=Origin of this word is twilight is when shape of people become vague/hard to tell and asking ''who is that''''who are you''''who is there''
Maybe shinkai implicit they are forgetting each other as well as title"your name" or introduced it just because it is cool traditional word for Japanese.

3Kata ware Doki(Original word in Movie)
=I think this has two meaning.Half of it means Kuchi Kamizake as Grandma call kuchikamizake half of mitsuha,and consuming "rice"/water/"sake" is musubi.
The second meaning maybe Taki and Mitsuha being pair of fate.Shinkai said in interview what he wanted to depict in the movie was you have partner that connected through fate.

moviegeek1111 said:

But the biggest question (or problem) I had was how Taki and Mitsuha forgot each other's name after the "twilight" scene... how is this possible? The grandmother kinda explains that people often forget their dreams (in this case, body-swapping) after they wake up, but neither Taki nor Mitsuha lost their memories before the mountain scene...

May I copy and paste what I wrote in the last reply?

"When Taki return braid to mitsuha,it obviously depicting paladox.
Pre-2nd run world,Taki kept the red braid from October 3 2013 to 2016 Octover
On the other hand,in the world where mitsuha saved,mitusha kept the braid from October 4 2013 to the last scene when they meet as adult

So I think when he return braid and twilight ending was when world was being reshaped or world line was transfered if you say steins gate-ish word.

From the ending part(adult taki/mitsuha) point of view,"pre-2nd run world" was not actual history,and Taki did not kept the braid,so the scene they met on train 2013 October 3 did not actually happen as well as body swapping,maybe they just remember very vaguely about the lost world and body swapping thing,like when you know you had some kind of weird dream,but cannot remember anything about it."

I completely agree with you! I was kind of confused as well but I think the reason why they forgot each other is because of the timelines blurring together and it was depicted very well during the twilight scene... I think of it sort of like the twilight zone (neutral and devoid of external interference).... that's why he woke up on that mountain feeling as if he just woke up from a dream.. like lucid dreaming

Sep 28, 2016 9:37 PM

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umashikaneko said:

moviegeek1111 said:

That's a really nice explanation thank you! And looking back on it, the lake did seem to be covered in clouds when Taki and Mitsuha physically met. Also can you tell me how each of those three words are relevant to the movie. I get how "Oumaga toki" is relevant because that explains what happens at the mountain, but what about the other two?

But the biggest question (or problem) I had was how Taki and Mitsuha forgot each other's name after the "twilight" scene... how is this possible? The grandmother kinda explains that people often forget their dreams (in this case, body-swapping) after they wake up, but neither Taki nor Mitsuha lost their memories before the mountain scene...

Ok thanks.I appreciate you agree with me.Tasogare doki and Oumaga toki are actual classical Japanese.Kataware doki is fictional word original in the movie by the way.

1Tasogare doki
=Origin of this word is twilight is when shape of people become vague/hard to tell and asking ''who is that''''who are you''''who is there''
Maybe shinkai implicit they are forgetting each other as well as title"your name" or introduced it just because it is cool traditional word for Japanese.

3Kata ware Doki(Original word in Movie)
=I think this has two meaning.Half of it means Kuchi Kamizake as Grandma call kuchikamizake half of mitsuha,and consuming "rice"/water/"sake" is musubi.
The second meaning maybe Taki and Mitsuha being pair of fate.Shinkai said in interview what he wanted to depict in the movie was you have partner that connected through fate.

moviegeek1111 said:

But the biggest question (or problem) I had was how Taki and Mitsuha forgot each other's name after the "twilight" scene... how is this possible? The grandmother kinda explains that people often forget their dreams (in this case, body-swapping) after they wake up, but neither Taki nor Mitsuha lost their memories before the mountain scene...

May I copy and paste what I wrote in the last reply?

"When Taki return braid to mitsuha,it obviously depicting paladox.
Pre-2nd run world,Taki kept the red braid from October 3 2013 to 2016 Octover
On the other hand,in the world where mitsuha saved,mitusha kept the braid from October 4 2013 to the last scene when they meet as adult

So I think when he return braid and twilight ending was when world was being reshaped or world line was transfered if you say steins gate-ish word.

From the ending part(adult taki/mitsuha) point of view,"pre-2nd run world" was not actual history,and Taki did not kept the braid,so the scene they met on train 2013 October 3 did not actually happen as well as body swapping,maybe they just remember very vaguely about the lost world and body swapping thing,like when you know you had some kind of weird dream,but cannot remember anything about it."

So you are saying that a paradox can erase past events? Damn, returning that red braid in the middle of twilight really was an awful mistake LOL.

Also if you don't mind answering, how did those diary entries disappear right before Taki's eyes when he realized that the town had been destroyed 3 years ago?

Sep 29, 2016 12:28 AM

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moviegeek1111 said:

So you are saying that a paradox can erase past events? Damn, returning that red braid in the middle of twilight really was an awful mistake LOL.

Also if you don't mind answering, how did those diary entries disappear right before Taki's eyes when he realized that the town had been destroyed 3 years ago?

Well,I 'm not sure you are joking or not,but what I wanted to say was the red braid was rather symbol of pre-2nd run world and connection between taki/mitsuha.Returning it was more like symbol of pre-2nd run world and their connection such as meeting on train on October 3 2013 losing being legit history rather than paradox causing world reshaping.

As for diary,I don't know,maybe plot convenience?

Sep 29, 2016 12:45 AM

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umashikaneko said:

moviegeek1111 said:

So you are saying that a paradox can erase past events? Damn, returning that red braid in the middle of twilight really was an awful mistake LOL.

Also if you don't mind answering, how did those diary entries disappear right before Taki's eyes when he realized that the town had been destroyed 3 years ago?

Well,I 'm not sure you are joking or not,but what I wanted to say was the red braid was rather symbol of pre-2nd run world and connection between taki/mitsuha.Returning it was more like symbol of pre-2nd run world and their connection such as meeting on train on October 3 2013 losing being legit history rather than paradox causing world reshaping.

As for diary,I don't know,maybe plot convenience?

Oh okay, but all the body-swapping did physically happen in the second and final timeline right? And it was the twilight itself that had them lose their memories? Sorry to ask you all these questions as I am really not used to these kinds of time-travel narratives.

Sep 29, 2016 12:48 AM

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i havent watched it yet since i prefer the bluray version.
i do hope it isnt overrated ( isaw the rank)

Sep 29, 2016 1:56 AM

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moviegeek1111 said:

Oh okay, but all the body-swapping did physically happen in the second and final timeline right? And it was the twilight itself that had them lose their memories? Sorry to ask you all these questions as I am really not used to these kinds of time-travel narratives.

To put my interpretation simply

Why did they lost memory of each other ?

-because the world or history reshaped after twilight meeting from the world pre-rerun where they met train in 2013 and mitsuha died to after re-run world where mitsuha survived and they didn't meet

Why did the world/history reshaped?

-because taki explained mitsuha about meteor and people evacuated.

Why it was twilight when they met?

-because it is time when the boundary of this world and that world become blur and it is time of kataware(half of it) .

>Oh okay, but all the body-swapping did physically happen in the second and final timeline right?

I'm not sure if I understand what you want to say,but in my opinion their body swapping experience was kind of lost from legit history in the same way the experience Taki kept braid from 2013 to 2016 and the fact mitsuha died were lost.

umashikanekoSep 29, 2016 2:03 AM

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Wow... that was freaking excellent. Absolutely freaking great, no wonder this movie got scores like it did. Honestly... Don't have much to say about it, it was a truly fantastic movie, and there wasn't a single thing I disliked about it.

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Sep 29, 2016 9:04 AM

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It was nice, but nothing great tbh. 8/10

fight me.

Sep 29, 2016 1:04 PM

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umashikaneko said:

moviegeek1111 said:

Oh okay, but all the body-swapping did physically happen in the second and final timeline right? And it was the twilight itself that had them lose their memories? Sorry to ask you all these questions as I am really not used to these kinds of time-travel narratives.

To put my interpretation simply

Why did they lost memory of each other ?

-because the world or history reshaped after twilight meeting from the world pre-rerun where they met train in 2013 and mitsuha died to after re-run world where mitsuha survived and they didn't meet

Why did the world/history reshaped?

-because taki explained mitsuha about meteor and people evacuated.

Why it was twilight when they met?

-because it is time when the boundary of this world and that world become blur and it is time of kataware(half of it) .

>Oh okay, but all the body-swapping did physically happen in the second and final timeline right?

I'm not sure if I understand what you want to say,but in my opinion their body swapping experience was kind of lost from legit history in the same way the experience Taki kept braid from 2013 to 2016 and the fact mitsuha died were lost.

I guess I just kinda confused on how this "reshaping" of the world managed to alter the events before the twilight event. Because Taki returns to October 3, which is after the body-swapping occurs, so through the law of causality, even if Mitsuha managed to change everything from October 3 and on, the past (body-swapping events) cannot be changed because it already happened within the rerun timeline. I hope that makes some sense...

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moviegeek1111 said:

I guess I just kinda confused on how this "reshaping" of the world managed to alter the events before the twilight event. Because Taki returns to October 3, which is after the body-swapping occurs, so through the law of causality, even if Mitsuha managed to change everything from October 3 and on, the past (body-swapping events) cannot be changed because it already happened within the rerun timeline. I hope that makes some sense...

Yes,I understand what you want to say but at least reshaping must delete taki'd part of body swapping experience because taki's body swapping experience was based on pre- rerun world fact

Sep 29, 2016 3:54 PM

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damn i seriously got annyed when they weren't going to talk with each other at the end...thank god they did... =D

ofc taki would grab her boobs everytime LOL the sister got seriously creeped =D

taki carrying the old lady in mitsuha body...damn =O

the comet art was seriously awesome...tbh this movie had awesome art

10/10 ofc =D will probably rewatch it someday

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Sep 29, 2016 6:40 PM

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umashikaneko said:

moviegeek1111 said:

I guess I just kinda confused on how this "reshaping" of the world managed to alter the events before the twilight event. Because Taki returns to October 3, which is after the body-swapping occurs, so through the law of causality, even if Mitsuha managed to change everything from October 3 and on, the past (body-swapping events) cannot be changed because it already happened within the rerun timeline. I hope that makes some sense...

Yes,I understand what you want to say but at least reshaping must delete taki'd part of body swapping experience because taki's body swapping experience was based on pre- rerun world fact

I found a similar question on reddit about the whole memory thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/532xwy/spoilers_question_about_kimi_no_na_wa/

One of the posters responded with... "In the beginning neither even remembered that they had been in another body the day before. After a few more times, they got better about that, but still described waking afterwards as similar to that of waking from a dream.
It could be argued that their memories of their swapping were only improving because they were happening time and time again. In that sense, recurring dreams are more familiar/memorable than the dozen dreams you have a week (heck, probably a night) that you have no memory of at all upon waking.
Now that the power has worn off, the dream is over for good. And like any other dream, all that can be remembered now is hazy/vague details at best.
[note: This body swapping itself was explained to be a supernatural power inherited from Mitsuha ancestors on her mother's side. Her grandmother said that they only lasted a short time in her youth and that she had little memory of them now that she was older. This falls in line with Mitsuha (and Taki) now."

It's almost too depressing for me to think that none of the events in the first half of the movie actually happened by the end of the movie.

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moviegeek1111 said:

umashikaneko said:

Yes,I understand what you want to say but at least reshaping must delete taki'd part of body swapping experience because taki's body swapping experience was based on pre- rerun world fact

I found a similar question on reddit about the whole memory thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/532xwy/spoilers_question_about_kimi_no_na_wa/

One of the posters responded with... "In the beginning neither even remembered that they had been in another body the day before. After a few more times, they got better about that, but still described waking afterwards as similar to that of waking from a dream.
It could be argued that their memories of their swapping were only improving because they were happening time and time again. In that sense, recurring dreams are more familiar/memorable than the dozen dreams you have a week (heck, probably a night) that you have no memory of at all upon waking.
Now that the power has worn off, the dream is over for good. And like any other dream, all that can be remembered now is hazy/vague details at best.
[note: This body swapping itself was explained to be a supernatural power inherited from Mitsuha ancestors on her mother's side. Her grandmother said that they only lasted a short time in her youth and that she had little memory of them now that she was older. This falls in line with Mitsuha (and Taki) now."

It's almost too depressing for me to think that none of the events in the first half of the movie actually happened by the end of the movie.

If Taki's body swapping experience is remain legit history in the ending scene,Taki wore red braid whole time in his wrist through 2013 to 2016 including whole body swapping time period(2016 September to early October) at the same time Mitsuha kept red braid through 2013 to 2016 too.
Also the throughout taki's body swapping experience period,everyone knew a lot of people died when meteor clashed.I think they just remember the lost world 's fact vaguely and it is enough to be meaningful for them because at the ending they met and live happily ever after that.
I interpret the lost history still influenced after re-rund world though.They clearly met because of that.Taki recognize her by red braid.Also Taki actually went to Itomori too in after world history.

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Beautiful movie, I cried a lot watching it.
The scenery was absolutely stunning, I loved the music and there were really some Oh Sh*t! moments in there.

Sep 30, 2016 8:31 AM

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Wow, just... wow

This movie was fantastic, it has everything I was looking for in the romance/supernatural department. Usually I'm not that fond of Shinkai's work because, while the visuals are stunning, I have problems with the way he deals with the relashionships between the characters... Well objectively it's good but I always feels like I missed the point of the movie when I reach the credits

Fortunately it was not the case with this one ! I really liked the plot and the characters, I even liked the ending, it was powerfull. I'm pleasantly surprised

Definitely gonna buy the blu-ray when it comes out !

Sep 30, 2016 8:49 AM

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I loved it.It was sooo beautiful.It's my new favorite anime.

Sep 30, 2016 8:53 AM

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I... uch, I'm just done. It was beautiful, ugh. I'm crying.

Sep 30, 2016 12:39 PM

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umashikaneko said:

moviegeek1111 said:

I found a similar question on reddit about the whole memory thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/532xwy/spoilers_question_about_kimi_no_na_wa/

One of the posters responded with... "In the beginning neither even remembered that they had been in another body the day before. After a few more times, they got better about that, but still described waking afterwards as similar to that of waking from a dream.
It could be argued that their memories of their swapping were only improving because they were happening time and time again. In that sense, recurring dreams are more familiar/memorable than the dozen dreams you have a week (heck, probably a night) that you have no memory of at all upon waking.
Now that the power has worn off, the dream is over for good. And like any other dream, all that can be remembered now is hazy/vague details at best.
[note: This body swapping itself was explained to be a supernatural power inherited from Mitsuha ancestors on her mother's side. Her grandmother said that they only lasted a short time in her youth and that she had little memory of them now that she was older. This falls in line with Mitsuha (and Taki) now."

It's almost too depressing for me to think that none of the events in the first half of the movie actually happened by the end of the movie.

If Taki's body swapping experience is remain legit history in the ending scene,Taki wore red braid whole time in his wrist through 2013 to 2016 including whole body swapping time period(2016 September to early October) at the same time Mitsuha kept red braid through 2013 to 2016 too.
Also the throughout taki's body swapping experience period,everyone knew a lot of people died when meteor clashed.I think they just remember the lost world 's fact vaguely and it is enough to be meaningful for them because at the ending they met and live happily ever after that.
I interpret the lost history still influenced after re-rund world though.They clearly met because of that.Taki recognize her by red braid.Also Taki actually went to Itomori too in after world history.

I think what makes the whole thing a bit confusion is the fact that this is an extremely rare bilateral time-travel movie, meaning that two individuals travel through time at the same time. Most time travel movies are only involve as single character physically travelling through time (Back to the Future, 12 Monkeys, Looper), but in this one it is actually two people's consciousness being transferred to another's across time. So there are actually two sets of causalities we need to consider at the same time, which makes the story even more complicated than a conventional time travel movie. Now that I think about it, not only is this movie a brilliant romantic drama/comedy, it is a very interesting sci-fi movie as well.

Sep 30, 2016 4:52 PM

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THIS WAS BRILLIANT! I wasn't supposed to watch this because there are only a few anime movies that I enjoyed watching (mostly from studio ghibli) and I thought this was another mediocre cliche romance movie but oh boy I was wrong! I would totally slap myself right now for underestimating this movie.
Now I understand why this is #1 on MAL!

There is just this one scene that confuses me though, (the train scene) I'm not very good at analyzing time travels I don't know if this was explained here, sorry I only read a few post here cause there's too many! so if anyone could explain this I would appreciate it so much because its been bugging me.

SPOILERS AHEAD!
(this is how I understand the timeline. I don't know if Im right please correct me)
1. so the date of taki & his senpai >>> (they stopped switching) the train scene >>> festival and comet >>> 3 years after, taki searching for itomori.
OR
2. so the date of taki & his senpai >>> Comet & festival >>> they stopped switching >>> (TRAIN SCENE???) >>> 3 years after, taki searching for itomori.

MY BIG QUESTION IS WHEN WAS THE TRAIN SCENE? and WHY DID TAKI FORGETS ABOUT MITSUHA DURING THAT TIME? (the train scene)
they were just body switching a few days ago right? that was the day before the comet hits? is it because that "Dreams fade away after you wake up" but if so then why did mitsuha remembers taki? is this some kind of two parallel worlds?

If there really is 2 parallel worlds then that means my no.2 timeline is probable, it was a little evident that there are 2 dimensions as seen on the scene where they met at the shrine because of the twilight, so if the comet hits first before the train scene then that means Mitsuha world 1 is dead BUT! world 2 Mitsuha is not! therefore the one who gave the ribbon to taki was world 2 mitsuha??? but taki couldn't remember her? why? maybe because the body switching stopped and so "dreams fades away after you wake up" (we didn't know when was the last body switch taki had before the he met mitsuha at the train)

I don't know! Im so bad at this! my theories sucks, hope anyone can help!

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Ditto what RaySapphire asked.

I am a little confused about the timelines as well. The timeline where Mitsuha sees the comet and is dressed up for the festival, did that one get 'over-written' or was it just a dream?

I'll probably need to re-watch the movie again to really flesh out my understanding.

Sep 30, 2016 7:00 PM

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Great Shinkai movie though. Not sure it deserves the absolute top #1 spot on MAL, but definitely very top. The score will probably average out as the review numbers start to match others around it.

This honestly feels like Shinkai's best work. A culmination of all entire body of work melted together and refined into this fantastic production. Most of the movies he's done before all seemed to lack that special something, and I feel like 君の名は really put a lot of Shinkai's best ideas and themes together. Production quality was absolutely outstanding, the attention to detail for every bit of minute animation was crafted carefully.

A very seishun work of art. The movie had range, some parts had well-timed comic relief and other parts were emotionally endearing. The tiny bit of fan service was completely unnecessary :P but it was done tastefully.

The movie didn't leave me an emotional gaping hole like other drama romance anime, but they did a fantastic job of pulling the viewer into their world.

Deserves multiple watches. Not surprised it is doing so well in theaters.

Sep 30, 2016 9:26 PM

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So glad that there was a happy ending. =)

I was about to tilt when they passed by each other on the bridge and looked back at different times.

Hmm.. Now that I think about it a bit more, I feel that the film could have developed the relationship between the two characters a bit more. Possibly if this was a one-cour series, there'd be more time to explore how close they became through all the body-swapping without actually meeting face to face.

NicromaticSep 30, 2016 11:08 PM

Sep 30, 2016 9:34 PM

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RaySapphire said:

There is just this one scene that confuses me though, (the train scene) I'm not very good at analyzing time travels I don't know if this was explained here, sorry I only read a few post here cause there's too many! so if anyone could explain this I would appreciate it so much because its been bugging me.

SPOILERS AHEAD!
(this is how I understand the timeline. I don't know if Im right please correct me)
1. so the date of taki & his senpai >>> (they stopped switching) the train scene >>> festival and comet >>> 3 years after, taki searching for itomori.
OR
2. so the date of taki & his senpai >>> Comet & festival >>> they stopped switching >>> (TRAIN SCENE???) >>> 3 years after, taki searching for itomori.
MY BIG QUESTION IS WHEN WAS THE TRAIN SCENE?

What really confuses me is at the train scene why did taki forgets mitsuha? they were just body switching a few days ago right? that was the day before the comet hits? is it because that "Dreams fade away after you wake up" but if so then why did mitsuha remembers taki? is this some kind of two parallel worlds?

If there really is 2 parallel worlds then that means my no.2 timeline is probable, it was a little evident that there are 2 dimensions as seen on the scene where they met at the shrine because of the twilight, so if the comet hits first before the train scene then that means Mitsuha world 1 is dead BUT! world 2 Mitsuha is not! therefore the one who gave the ribbon to taki was world 2 mitsuha??? but taki couldn't remember her? why? maybe because the body switching stopped and so "dreams fades away after you wake up" (we didn't know when was the last body switch taki had before the she met mitsuha at the train)

I don't know! this is hurting my brains! my theories sucks, hope anyone can help!

Bro which train scene are you on about?

I'm going to assume it's the one where Mitsuba goes out to Tokyo, meets Taki on the train , he doesn't remember (but really it's doesn't know her) and she leaves after giving Taki her red hairband saying her name.

The thing u have to remember about this series, is that Mitsuba had her dreams three years before Taki did.
i.e. If Comet crashed in 2010, Taki went to the crash site 2013 pretty much right after the swaps stopped. To Taki, he was having his dreams in 2013. Mitsuba had her dreams in 2010.

Since Mitsuba went to Tokyo right before the festival, she went to see Taki in 2010. But at that time, Taki still hasn't had his dreams yet (since it's Taki from 3 years before he was dreaming), so he wouldn't know Mitsuba.

That's why Taki was like to Mitsuba when they reunited on that cliff:
"Why did you come see me before I met you?"
And also why Taki and Mitsuba were the same height in the train scene.

Disclaimers for the nitpickers; Years aren't correct, but to demonstrate my point. XD

Sep 30, 2016 10:02 PM

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Nicromatic said:

Bro which train scene are you on about?

I'm going to assume it's the one where Mitsuba goes out to Tokyo, meets Taki on the train , he doesn't remember (but really it's doesn't know her) and she leaves after giving Taki her red hairband saying her name.

The thing u have to remember about this series, is that Mitsuba had her dreams three years before Taki did.
i.e. If Comet crashed in 2010, Taki went to the crash site 2013 pretty much right after the swaps stopped. To Taki, he was having his dreams in 2013. Mitsuba had her dreams in 2010.

Since Mitsuba went to Tokyo right before the festival, she went to see Taki in 2010. But at that time, Taki still hasn't had his dreams yet (since it's Taki from 3 years before he was dreaming), so he wouldn't know Mitsuba.

That's why Taki was like to Mitsuba when they reunited on that cliff:
"Why did you come see me before I met you?"
And also why Taki and Mitsuba were the same height in the train scene.

Disclaimers for the nitpickers; Years aren't correct, but to demonstrate my point. XD

Nice! Thank you! now I'm piecing it all out! so you are saying that both are just dreaming?! and the timeline of their dreaming are different? Mitsuha dreamt before taki? did I get that right?

This is a good explanation to that whole train scene! now I can sleep well. I got so confuse about that body switching I thought they were body switching at the same timeline and thought they're dreaming about it at the same timeline.

I'm still a little confuse at the body switching though? did it really happen in real life? when? or that was all just a dream?

I'm so bad at this sorry.

QueenSapphireSep 30, 2016 10:06 PM

Sep 30, 2016 10:19 PM

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RaySapphire said:

Nicromatic said:

Bro which train scene are you on about?

I'm going to assume it's the one where Mitsuba goes out to Tokyo, meets Taki on the train , he doesn't remember (but really it's doesn't know her) and she leaves after giving Taki her red hairband saying her name.

The thing u have to remember about this series, is that Mitsuba had her dreams three years before Taki did.
i.e. If Comet crashed in 2010, Taki went to the crash site 2013 pretty much right after the swaps stopped. To Taki, he was having his dreams in 2013. Mitsuba had her dreams in 2010.

Since Mitsuba went to Tokyo right before the festival, she went to see Taki in 2010. But at that time, Taki still hasn't had his dreams yet (since it's Taki from 3 years before he was dreaming), so he wouldn't know Mitsuba.

That's why Taki was like to Mitsuba when they reunited on that cliff:
"Why did you come see me before I met you?"
And also why Taki and Mitsuba were the same height in the train scene.

Disclaimers for the nitpickers; Years aren't correct, but to demonstrate my point. XD

Nice! Thank you! now I'm piecing it all out! so you are saying that both are just dreaming?! and the timeline of their dreaming are different? Mitsuha dreamt before taki? did I get that right?

This is a good explanation to that whole train scene! now I can sleep well. I got so confuse about that body switching I thought they were body switching at the same timeline and thought they're dreaming about it at the same timeline.

I'm still a little confuse at the body switching though? did it really happen in real life? when? or that was all just a dream?

I'm so bad at this sorry.

Basically, the consciousness of Taki in 2016 is transferred to Mitsuha's 2013's body and vice versa. And yes, the body switching did happen in real life.

Sep 30, 2016 11:05 PM

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RaySapphire said:

Nicromatic said:

Nice! Thank you! now I'm piecing it all out! so you are saying that both are just dreaming?! and the timeline of their dreaming are different? Mitsuha dreamt before taki? did I get that right?

This is a good explanation to that whole train scene! now I can sleep well. I got so confuse about that body switching I thought they were body switching at the same timeline and thought they're dreaming about it at the same timeline.

I'm still a little confuse at the body switching though? did it really happen in real life? when? or that was all just a dream?

I'm so bad at this sorry.

Yeah that sounds about that right.

Haha. Good to know u can sleep well now.

In my opinion, it doesn't matter whether it was all just a dream or they actually body-swapped. Since everything is so open-ended, I think the director let the viewers decide. After all, the film focuses (and what we're interested in), is not on the "how" it happened, but the "results" of the body-swapping / dreaming happening.
Tbh, I was probably just using the phrase "dreaming" because it was shorter to type.

You shouldn't be! These forums exist for a reason! For us to talk about anime! :D

Sep 30, 2016 11:26 PM

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moviegeek1111 said:

Basically, the consciousness of Taki in 2016 is transferred to Mitsuha's 2013's body and vice versa. And yes, the body switching did happen in real life.

Oh I see, I see! Thanks for the clarification!

Sep 30, 2016 11:30 PM

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Nicromatic said:

Yeah that sounds about that right.

Haha. Good to know u can sleep well now.

In my opinion, it doesn't matter whether it was all just a dream or they actually body-swapped. Since everything is so open-ended, I think the director let the viewers decide. After all, the film focuses (and what we're interested in), is not on the "how" it happened, but the "results" of the body-swapping / dreaming happening.
Tbh, I was probably just using the phrase "dreaming" because it was shorter to type.

You shouldn't be! These forums exist for a reason! For us to talk about anime! :D

Agreed. Thanks for clearing that up dude! now I felt so stupid for not piecing that all out! after watching the movie HAHA!

QueenSapphireSep 30, 2016 11:47 PM

Oct 1, 2016 12:59 AM

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9.40 with 30,000+ votes? woah...

Oct 1, 2016 1:00 AM

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I dont really see it dropping either, I mean it dropped to like 9.39 a few days ago and now its back up again.

Oct 1, 2016 1:14 AM

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just finish, woahhh that art and story ~ got the feels ...

i hope can rewatch again with better Quality ~

Oct 1, 2016 2:57 AM

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No comment. Just amazing from Makoto Shinkai. Masterpiece.

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In spite of the stunning visuals and beautifully melancholic music, I was disappointed in the end. The plot was weak and the story was full of gaps and inconsistencies.

Why does Taki forget about Mitsuha (and vice versa?) Isnt the timeline only written after the explosion, which is after they meet and do the whole switching thing?

It could be argued that their memories of their swapping were only improving because they were happening time and time again. In that sense, recurring dreams are more familiar/memorable than the dozen dreams you have a week that you have no memory of at all upon waking.

Now that the power has worn off, the dream is over for good. And all that can be remembered now are hazy details. But now you have the problem of time gap? Why were they both in school during the swap but Taki's one happened 3 years later? The continuity is dubious at best. The open eding was not conclusive ebough. Overall, je suis resté sur ma faim

Mind you, it's still a good movie but nowhere near the masterpiece I expected it to be. Maybe the hype got the better of me?

7/10

Oct 1, 2016 6:08 PM

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Try to read some theories from above and you'll probably understand ^

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In2TheBlu said:
In spite of the stunning visuals and beautifully melancholic music, I was disappointed in the end. The plot was weak and the story was full of gaps and inconsistencies.

Why does Taki forget about Mitsuha (and vice versa?) Isnt the timeline only written after the explosion, which is after they meet and do the whole switching thing?

It could be argued that their memories of their swapping were only improving because they were happening time and time again. In that sense, recurring dreams are more familiar/memorable than the dozen dreams you have a week that you have no memory of at all upon waking.

Now that the power has worn off, the dream is over for good. And all that can be remembered now are hazy details. But now you have the problem of time gap? Why were they both in school during the swap but Taki's one happened 3 years later? The continuity is dubious at best. The open eding was not conclusive ebough. Overall, je suis resté sur ma faim

Mind you, it's still a good movie but nowhere near the masterpiece I expected it to be. Maybe the hype got the better of me?

7/10

Same, I was also so confused by that before.

but now I understand why taki forgets about mitsuha. my guess that was the scene where they are in the train and mitsuha gave the ribbon?

Basically the concept of this movie was Body swapping + Time travelling at the same time.
Mitsuha 2013 body swap to Taki 2016 while Taki 2016 was body swapping to Mitsuha 2013

so to make it more clear Mitsuha bodyswapping to Taki while at the same time going 3 years to the future. Taki body swapping to Mitsuha while at the same time going back to the past, 3 years ago.

so Taki2013 didn't know Mitsuha because he haven't experience that body swapping during that time, the body swapping will only occur to him in the next 3 years 2016

I hope I got the point of your problem. there also some theories above, also the reason how I realize this.

(don't know if the year really was 2013 or 2016)

QueenSapphireOct 1, 2016 11:30 PM

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RaySapphire said:

In2TheBlu said:
In spite of the stunning visuals and beautifully melancholic music, I was disappointed in the end. The plot was weak and the story was full of gaps and inconsistencies.

Why does Taki forget about Mitsuha (and vice versa?) Isnt the timeline only written after the explosion, which is after they meet and do the whole switching thing?

It could be argued that their memories of their swapping were only improving because they were happening time and time again. In that sense, recurring dreams are more familiar/memorable than the dozen dreams you have a week that you have no memory of at all upon waking.

Now that the power has worn off, the dream is over for good. And all that can be remembered now are hazy details. But now you have the problem of time gap? Why were they both in school during the swap but Taki's one happened 3 years later? The continuity is dubious at best. The open eding was not conclusive ebough. Overall, je suis resté sur ma faim

Mind you, it's still a good movie but nowhere near the masterpiece I expected it to be. Maybe the hype got the better of me?

7/10

Same, I was also so confused by that before.

but now I understand why taki forgets about mitsuha. my guess that was the scene where they are in the train and mitsuha gave the ribbon?

Basically the concept of this movie was Body swapping + Time travelling at the same time.
Mitsuha 2013 body swap to Taki 2016 while Taki 2016 was body swapping to Mitsuha 2013

so to make it more clear Mitsuha bodyswapping to Taki while at the same time going 3 years to the future. Taki body swapping to Mitsuha while at the same time going back to the past, 3 years ago.

so Taki2013 didn't know Mitsuha because he haven't experience that body swapping during that time, the body swapping will only occur to him in the next 3 years 2016

I hope I got the point of your problem. there also some theories above, also the reason how I realize this.

(don't know if the year really was 2013 or 2016)

Thanks it makes way more sense now. However, did none of them bothered to check the date on the smartphones they were using? Also, shouldn't Taki have known about the comet given the sheer scale of the disaster? The scene where they briefly met, for the first time in the village, before disappearing was also a paradox. The love also felt a bit forced. Anyways, thanks again mate!

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Thanks it makes way more sense now. However, did none of them bothered to check the date on the smartphones they were using? Also, shouldn't Taki have known about the comet given the sheer scale of the disaster? The scene where they briefly met, for the first time in the village, before disappearing was also a paradox. The love also felt a bit forced. Anyways, thanks again mate!

No prob. YEP! EXACTLY what I was thinking! haha! I think the details about the time/year was lacking to me which made the story a bit confusing. Their brief reunion was a paradox but the reason they met was because of the twilight (somehow the twilight in that scene was a supernatural phenomenon). oh well, sorry I dont really have all the answers to your questions. I will just rewatch it again to fully understand it.

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Makoto Shinkai and his trains.

“Are there some unseen roles that we have unknowingly set ourselves into, dictating the rules of engagement whenever we see each other, inevitably leading to us hurting each other?”

Oct 2, 2016 9:44 PM

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That movie was SO GOOD! And super emotional. Like, I've never cried while watching anything, but certain emotional parts can make me feel really close to crying, and boy did this movie make me feel like that. The story was really compelling, had a nice mix of comedy in it despite being really dramatic. Super glad that they were finally able to meet each other in the end, I'm a sucker for happy endings! definitely a 10/10

Also did anyone else appreciate Taki's outfits? Like idk why but I though he had a really cool syle and I WANT that black and white winter jacket xD

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Oct 3, 2016 8:52 AM

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Managed to find an online source for watching and it was nothing like I expected.

It's been a mighty long time since I've watched 5 Centimeters per Second so everything I knew about Shinkai's movies were nonexistent. That being said, I was originally apprehensive about watching this because when I read the synopsis, I immediately thought, "Oh? It's one of those gender-bender movies." And I promptly dismissed it. Couple months later, I realized that it's the top-rated on MAL and finally gave it a chance.

I regret having judged the movie based on the synopsis. I thoroughly enjoyed the scenes, the plot development, and the twists and turns. Beautiful story with equally amazing animation made for a beautiful experience and it's one of the few movies I would re-watch.

Oct 3, 2016 1:51 PM

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I just finished it and I'm grinning like an idiot.

Oct 3, 2016 2:26 PM

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breath taking

very beautifully crafted

Oct 4, 2016 12:08 AM

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Wait, so when taki transfers into mitsuha's body for the first time, where did mitsuha's soul go? I mean when Taki transferred into her body and messed things up at school, where did Mitsuha's soul go? It wasn't until after that ceremony that Mitsuha's soul transferred into Taki's body for the first time.

Oct 4, 2016 12:52 AM

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